Tabien baan

[wedders]

Going for 1 year extension of stay on my family O visa, granted despite being divorced on the strength of having sole custody of our (Thai) daughter.

But immigration is giving me some grief because my daughter, Thai/British passports, isn't on a tabien baan. Because she's been living with me, and her Thai family haven't registered her (they hardly ever see her).

So my question is can a new tabien baan be issued in the name of a four year old Thai? I don't think I can get one as I own no property here, I just have a 1 year renewable lease.

[asiaexpat]

Who owns the place where you live. That person has a Tabien Baan for your address and your daughter should be registered. Tabien Baan are not issued to people, they are issued to an address and the people living there are placed in that address tabien baan. However, many Thais never change when they move and keep a copy of the last tabien baan they are in.

[ubonjoe]

If she was born here she is on a house book somewhere. That is also a requirement for passport application here.

Landlords house book is a good suggestion. Wouldn't hurt to try.

Why don't you ask family to add her to house book.

[wedders]

Thanks - I'll try the landlady first. I hardly talk to the family, and to be honest despite having custody I would rather not have my daughter registered at the same address as her mother...

[AnotherOneAmerican]

Find a little old lady with a house.

Give her 1,000bht to put your daughter in her house book.

Give her another 500bht every time you need to use the original book.

The first one you ask will be happy to do it.

[wedders]

Nice idea... but as I have to prove my daughter lives with me, it has to be at the same address as on my lease - a copy of which immigration also need...

[Lite Beer]

Can you not get a yellow Tabbien Baan?.

Then put your daughter in that.

Maybe will be accepted.

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[AnotherOneAmerican]

Nice idea... but as I have to prove my daughter lives with me, it has to be at the same address as on my lease - a copy of which immigration also need...

Tabian Baan is not proof of residence.

There is no official requirement for it to match where anyone actually lives.

Immigrations problem is she isn't registered in any book, which is against Thai law.

[wedders]

Sure, but when getting an O for family reasons after a divorce, just being the father of a Thai child isn't enough, you need to have both custody and docs showing registration at the same address. The requirements form even asked for photos of her and I together outside her school and outside our home, as well as a map showing the exact location of the house.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

Sure, but when getting an O for family reasons after a divorce, just being the father of a Thai child isn't enough, you need to have both custody and docs showing registration at the same address. The requirements form even asked for photos of her and I together outside her school and outside our home, as well as a map showing the exact location of the house.

You really don't.

Rules are same for a married VISA extension.

Almost no wife is registered at the address they live.

You are misunderstanding the rules.

Daughter has to be in a Tabian Baan book, immigration needs a copy for your visa/extension.

Address where you live and address of her book can be different, and usually are.

[wedders]

Well I'm only repeating what the immigration guy said. He wanted the tabien baan for that reason, as well as the photos - neither of which are proof of my daughter living with me either, are they! But that didn't stop the officer asking for them, and he showed me the printed requirements form that said as much.

[Maestro]

Can you not get a yellow Tabbien Baan?.

Then put your daughter in that.

Maybe will be accepted.

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He cannot not. The district office is not allowed to record a Thai national in a yellow House Registration Book.

[Maestro]

Nice idea... but as I have to prove my daughter lives with me, it has to be at the same address as on my lease - a copy of which immigration also need...

Tabian Baan is not proof of residence.

There is no official requirement for it to match where anyone actually lives.

Immigrations problem is she isn't registered in any book, which is against Thai law.

Theoretically, it is indeed a record of the legal address. For example, a Thai is allowed to vote only in the place of the address registered for him in the house registration book. I don't know what other civil rights and duties are tied to the registered address, but I guess there are some more in addition to the voting rights. The province where you must register your motor vehicle may be one.

[ubonjoe]

Well I'm only repeating what the immigration guy said. He wanted the tabien baan for that reason, as well as the photos - neither of which are proof of my daughter living with me either, are they! But that didn't stop the officer asking for them, and he showed me the printed requirements form that said as much.

As I said before I think she is a house book somewhere unless she born outside of the country and got her passport at an embassy.

You could go to a Amphoe with her Thai birth certificate which has her ID number on it and get a printout of that registry.

I also don't think she has to be registered where you are living. That would go way above and beyond a reasonable requirement.

Perhaps you will get lucky and landlady will allow registration.

[Maestro]

Sure, but when getting an O for family reasons after a divorce, just being the father of a Thai child isn't enough, you need to have both custody and docs showing registration at the same address. The requirements form even asked for photos of her and I together outside her school and outside our home, as well as a map showing the exact location of the house.

You really don't.

Rules are same for a married VISA extension.

Almost no wife is registered at the address they live.

You are misunderstanding the rules.

Daughter has to be in a Tabian Baan book, immigration needs a copy for your visa/extension.

Address where you live and address of her book can be different, and usually are.

The "parent extension" is granted for the reason of living with one's child of Thai nationality. A month or two ago a member reported that his local immigration office insisted that for his marriage extension he and his wife must show evidence of living at the same address, he with his rental contract, the wife with the House Registration book in which she is entered. Admittedly, this goes beyond what is specified in clause 2.18 of Thai Police Order 777/2551 and Immigration Bureau Order 305/2551, both of which only talk about proof of relationship and mention the household registration book only as one of several possibilities of proving Thai nationality, and immigration thus far was satisfied with inspections to verify that the people lived together. I wonder whether the new tendency to require proof of registration at the same address is due to abuse by some foreigners, ie applications for extension of stay under clause 2.18 without living together under the same roof.

P.S. I am correcting myself: the two rules mention "being a family member of a Thai national" and to be a member of the same family obviously means being a member of the same household, living under the same roof.

[ubonjoe]

Sure, but when getting an O for family reasons after a divorce, just being the father of a Thai child isn't enough, you need to have both custody and docs showing registration at the same address. The requirements form even asked for photos of her and I together outside her school and outside our home, as well as a map showing the exact location of the house.

You really don't.

Rules are same for a married VISA extension.

Almost no wife is registered at the address they live.

You are misunderstanding the rules.

Daughter has to be in a Tabian Baan book, immigration needs a copy for your visa/extension.

Address where you live and address of her book can be different, and usually are.

The "parent extension" is granted for the reason of living with one's child of Thai nationality. A month or two ago a member reported that his local immigration office insisted that for his marriage extension he and his wife must show evidence of living at the same address, he with his rental contract, the wife with the House Registration book in which she is entered. Admittedly, this goes beyond what is specified in clause 2.18 of Thai Police Order 777/2551 and Immigration Bureau Order 305/2551, both of which only talk about proof of relationship and mention the household registration book only as one of several possibilities of proving Thai nationality, and immigration thus far was satisfied with inspections to verify that the people lived together. I wonder whether the new tendency to require proof of registration at the same address is due to abuse by some foreigners, ie applications for extension of stay under clause 2.18 without living together under the same roof.

My wife and I have a house in the village that she has a house book for. We are also renting a house here in the city. Wifes name is on rental contract and that is the address I just used for my extension with no problem.

I think immigration in OP's case is being unreasonable.

[Maestro]

Unreasonable, it is, I agree.

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[Lite Beer]

My Wife tells me that the girl is on a Tabbien Baan somewhere.

Go to the local Amphur and have them do a computer search and it should show up.

[Arkady]

Who owns the place where you live. That person has a Tabien Baan for your address and your daughter should be registered. Tabien Baan are not issued to people, they are issued to an address and the people living there are placed in that address tabien baan. However, many Thais never change when they move and keep a copy of the last tabien baan they are in.

It is worth a try, if you want your daughter and yourself registered on the same tabien baan but Thai landlords typically refuse to register tenants on a tabien baan because they are only renting on short leases and it is too much trouble for them. Thai tenants never ask for this because they are always on a tabien baan with family somewhere. If your landlord agrees, you will have find out where the girl is registered and transfer her. You will need to go to the that district office first. The transfer of a minor might require both parents' signatures.

[wedders]

Thanks for all the very useful comments.

[asiaexpat]

Nice idea... but as I have to prove my daughter lives with me, it has to be at the same address as on my lease - a copy of which immigration also need...

Tabian Baan is not proof of residence.

There is no official requirement for it to match where anyone actually lives.

Immigrations problem is she isn't registered in any book, which is against Thai law.

Actually the Tabien Baan is proof of residence (main purpose) and the law does state that all Thais are to be registered in a Tabien Baan (at the place of residence.) However,as Thais became more mobile and moved for work frequently maintaining their official residence where they were last registered. The police seem to ignore this until a person is in trouble, then they stack the failure to register change of residence on top of other charges. I use my Yellow Tabien Baan as proof of residence for all office government activity (drivers license, immigration, etc.)My wife was refused services at our local District office because her Tabien Baan did not agree with her ID card address and she had to get a new ID card.Just some examples of minor enforcement of the law. The OP needs to have his daughter registered in the Landlady's TB if at all possible.

[samran]

Who owns the place where you live. That person has a Tabien Baan for your address and your daughter should be registered. Tabien Baan are not issued to people, they are issued to an address and the people living there are placed in that address tabien baan. However, many Thais never change when they move and keep a copy of the last tabien baan they are in.

It is worth a try, if you want your daughter and yourself registered on the same tabien baan but Thai landlords typically refuse to register tenants on a tabien baan because they are only renting on short leases and it is too much trouble for them. Thai tenants never ask for this because they are always on a tabien baan with family somewhere. If your landlord agrees, you will have find out where the girl is registered and transfer her. You will need to go to the that district office first. The transfer of a minor might require both parents' signatures.

These days it is possible to move someone at the place you want to move them to - a "plaay tarng" move. Just make sure you have the children's ID numbers and they'll locate whever the child is on the database to the new place. Did this with my children recently, without any need for my wife.

[harrry]

Nice idea... but as I have to prove my daughter lives with me, it has to be at the same address as on my lease - a copy of which immigration also need...

Tabian Baan is not proof of residence.

There is no official requirement for it to match where anyone actually lives.

Immigrations problem is she isn't registered in any book, which is against Thai law.

Theoretically, it is indeed a record of the legal address. For example, a Thai is allowed to vote only in the place of the address registered for him in the house registration book. I don't know what other civil rights and duties are tied to the registered address, but I guess there are some more in addition to the voting rights. The province where you must register your motor vehicle may be one.

Most signifigant one is access to the 30baht hospital scheme only applies for your registered address. Vehicles can be registered anywhere.

[Mario2008]

The yellow tabien baan does not give any rights to the 30 baht health scheme.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

Most signifigant one is access to the 30baht hospital scheme only applies for your registered address.

Not for children, they can attend any government hospital free.

[Sophon]

Can you not get a yellow Tabbien Baan?.

Then put your daughter in that.

Maybe will be accepted.

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He cannot not. The district office is allowed to record a Thai national in a yellow House Registration Book.

Maestro, your statement is a little confusing as written. I think you meant to say:

He cannot not. The district office is not allowed to record a Thai national in a yellow House Registration Book.

Sophon

[Maestro]

You are right. The "not" got inserted in the wrong place (nervous mouse)

[wedders]

Landlady's answer: "Sorry cannot, because there is no one on tabien ban for that address".

Not sure I follow the logic.

[ubonjoe]

That means that there has been no house book issued for that address. All she has is ownership documents. Her house book is for home residence.

You will just need to find somebody that will move her to their house book.

As said before she is registered on one somewhere. Going to Amphoe would confirm that and you can get a printout of it that would be signed and stamped. This might be accepted at immigration.

[samran]

Landlady's answer: "Sorry cannot, because there is no one on tabien ban for that address".

Not sure I follow the logic.

There most certainly is a house book for that place, but like others have said, landlords are very reticent to put tenants onto the housebook.

Your best bet is to get a Thai friend in the province you live to stick your daughter onto their housebook. This is very common