webfact Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Speaker tries to silence Democrats as debate continuesKhanittha Thepphajorn,Praphan JindelertudomdeeThe NationPheu Thai MPs protest against Parliament President Somsak Kiatsuranont, saying he should have strictly enforced meeting regulations to stop the Democrats from taking too much time in their deliberation.Jurin fights back, saying opposition has every right to question changesBANGKOK: -- Parliamentary debate on charter amendment continues as opposition MPs use filibuster techniques and government MPs push to hurry the deliberation.Yesterday was the sixth day of discussion about the second reading of the amendment concerning the election and qualification of senators.The debate focused on Article 4 of the amendment bill, which will remove clauses in Articles 113 and 114 of the current Constitution in relation to the senators' selection committee. Parliament President Somsak Kiatsuranont tried to cut short the opposition Democrat MPs' objections, saying there was no point in discussing affairs of the selection committee, as every senator would be elected.He also refused to give Democrat MP Siriwan Prasjaksattru and appointed Senator Prasong Nurack a chance to speak even though they were next in queue, much to the chagrin of the Democrats. He then called for a break.Somsak later allowed the debate to continue.Opposition chief whip Jurin Laksanawisit hit back at Somsak's actions, saying the Democrats had every right to debate the issue as the 2007 Constitution's Article 240, listing the mission of the senator selection committee, said that a replacement should be selected if an appointed senator's seat was empty.Vetting committee chairman Samart Kaewmeechai explained that in the latter part of the charter amendment bill, it says that the current appointed senators will be allowed to continue with their job, but if any position becomes vacant, there will be no replacement until the end of the term.Kamphaeng Phet Senator Krich Atitkaew said yesterday that he was losing patience and was thinking about stepping down as Senate whip because agreements made at the joint whip's meeting had never been implemented.Meanwhile, the Democrats voiced dissatisfaction that the government whip had scheduled the charter amendment debate to be continued over the weekend, saying the administration should not try and rush through charter amendments.The Democrat MP for Trang Satit Wongnongtaey said the government was trying too hard to rush through the charter amendment bill instead of paying attention to solving the people's problems.He went on to say that lawmakers usually visited their constituencies on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays to learn about people's problems, and that spending these days focusing on a charter amendment that focused on politicians would be selfish.Meanwhile, government chief whip Aumnuay Khlangpha said the charter amendment debate would continue as scheduled today and tomorrow, with the session starting at 10am. No closing time has been set.He went on to say that if the deliberation was not completed, more meetings would be scheduled, adding that he had been making compromises for the opposition.The Senate will call a meeting to decide whether to vote on the fiscal 2014 Budget Bill after representatives of 22 Senate committees complete their debates on Monday and Tuesday.After spending all day debating the subject, the lawmakers voted 332:108 in favour of Article 4 of the amendment. They will be resuming the meeting on Wednesday and not over the weekend as planned earlier.-- The Nation 2013-08-31 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ricardo Posted August 31, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2013 There's no time to let these Opposition MPs speak, but there is time for a break, Yay for Red Democracy & Tea-Breaks ! Send in the Riot-Police Again ! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NongKhaiKid Posted August 31, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2013 In Thailand where nothing and no one is truly independent the Speaker is a disgraceful case in point. Far from being a neutral arbiter, adjudicator tasked with ensuring House business is conducted smoothly, fairly and in accordance with accepted procedures he is unashamedly totally biased and prepared to do whatever it takes to look after his parties interests. WE should not be surprised however as it's all part of the PTP total control policy. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 In Thailand where nothing and no one is truly independent the Speaker is a disgraceful case in point. Far from being a neutral arbiter, adjudicator tasked with ensuring House business is conducted smoothly, fairly and in accordance with accepted procedures he is unashamedly totally biased and prepared to do whatever it takes to look after his parties interests. WE should not be surprised however as it's all part of the PTP total control policy. Go on tell me what has he done that is 'unashamedly totally biased". I presume you have some first hand experience and not just snippets from articles? Oh no, they took a break and the opposition recommenced the discussion after the break. Yes that sounds hugely biased and totally unacceptable. Do you actually know whats going on in the parliament? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 In Thailand where nothing and no one is truly independent the Speaker is a disgraceful case in point. Far from being a neutral arbiter, adjudicator tasked with ensuring House business is conducted smoothly, fairly and in accordance with accepted procedures he is unashamedly totally biased and prepared to do whatever it takes to look after his parties interests. WE should not be surprised however as it's all part of the PTP total control policy. Go on tell me what has he done that is 'unashamedly totally biased". I presume you have some first hand experience and not just snippets from articles? Oh no, they took a break and the opposition recommenced the discussion after the break. Yes that sounds hugely biased and totally unacceptable. Do you actually know whats going on in the parliament? Like everyone else I rely on what I read, see and hear and it's got more to do than calling a break. I suppose you are going to say all the reporting on parliamentary business is biased against him and PTP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 In Thailand where nothing and no one is truly independent the Speaker is a disgraceful case in point. Far from being a neutral arbiter, adjudicator tasked with ensuring House business is conducted smoothly, fairly and in accordance with accepted procedures he is unashamedly totally biased and prepared to do whatever it takes to look after his parties interests. WE should not be surprised however as it's all part of the PTP total control policy. Go on tell me what has he done that is 'unashamedly totally biased". I presume you have some first hand experience and not just snippets from articles? Oh no, they took a break and the opposition recommenced the discussion after the break. Yes that sounds hugely biased and totally unacceptable. Do you actually know whats going on in the parliament? Like everyone else I rely on what I read, see and hear and it's got more to do than calling a break. I suppose you are going to say all the reporting on parliamentary business is biased against him and PTP Not at all, but you write with 100% certainty on the issue as if you were there- i would presume that given your 100% certainty that he was acting in an unashamedly biased way that you had some additional verifiable information on his actions. If you are just relying on that article i think you comment is a bit OTT, no? There is nothing really in it to justify your response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 In Thailand where nothing and no one is truly independent the Speaker is a disgraceful case in point. Far from being a neutral arbiter, adjudicator tasked with ensuring House business is conducted smoothly, fairly and in accordance with accepted procedures he is unashamedly totally biased and prepared to do whatever it takes to look after his parties interests. WE should not be surprised however as it's all part of the PTP total control policy. Go on tell me what has he done that is 'unashamedly totally biased". I presume you have some first hand experience and not just snippets from articles? Oh no, they took a break and the opposition recommenced the discussion after the break. Yes that sounds hugely biased and totally unacceptable. Do you actually know whats going on in the parliament? Like everyone else I rely on what I read, see and hear and it's got more to do than calling a break. I suppose you are going to say all the reporting on parliamentary business is biased against him and PTP Not at all, but you write with 100% certainty on the issue as if you were there- i would presume that given your 100% certainty that he was acting in an unashamedly biased way that you had some additional verifiable information on his actions. If you are just relying on that article i think you comment is a bit OTT, no? There is nothing really in it to justify your response. I thought it was clear that i have seen more than one article but it doesn't fit your argument. I'm happy to agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halion Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 If it walks like a duck and it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck . Guess what, it is most probably a duck !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Ok children time to stop bickering, anyone from the forum who has been to Parliment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTIRIOS Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 ....dictatorship, anyone....??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hansnl Posted August 31, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2013 In Thailand where nothing and no one is truly independent the Speaker is a disgraceful case in point. Far from being a neutral arbiter, adjudicator tasked with ensuring House business is conducted smoothly, fairly and in accordance with accepted procedures he is unashamedly totally biased and prepared to do whatever it takes to look after his parties interests. WE should not be surprised however as it's all part of the PTP total control policy. Go on tell me what has he done that is 'unashamedly totally biased". I presume you have some first hand experience and not just snippets from articles? Oh no, they took a break and the opposition recommenced the discussion after the break. Yes that sounds hugely biased and totally unacceptable. Do you actually know whats going on in the parliament? I do not. Maybe smutcakes don't But you, NK-kid, do you? My wife is 100% Thai, very interested in politics, and what we might call neutral. But she feels shame about the way the coalition in which PTP is the biggest is making a mockery of what democracy should be. And indeed, she is very much annoyed by the speaker of the house who will not let a single stone unturned to silence the opposition. He, and PTP, and the redshirts, are using intimidation in and outside the Parliament to further their doubtful causes. Including the degrading of the law-giving body of the land to call in the law-enforcing body. Shameful, and a massive loss of face for Thailand. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 In Thailand where nothing and no one is truly independent the Speaker is a disgraceful case in point. Far from being a neutral arbiter, adjudicator tasked with ensuring House business is conducted smoothly, fairly and in accordance with accepted procedures he is unashamedly totally biased and prepared to do whatever it takes to look after his parties interests. WE should not be surprised however as it's all part of the PTP total control policy. Go on tell me what has he done that is 'unashamedly totally biased". I presume you have some first hand experience and not just snippets from articles? Oh no, they took a break and the opposition recommenced the discussion after the break. Yes that sounds hugely biased and totally unacceptable. Do you actually know whats going on in the parliament? I do not. Maybe smutcakes don't But you, NK-kid, do you? My wife is 100% Thai, very interested in politics, and what we might call neutral. But she feels shame about the way the coalition in which PTP is the biggest is making a mockery of what democracy should be. And indeed, she is very much annoyed by the speaker of the house who will not let a single stone unturned to silence the opposition. He, and PTP, and the redshirts, are using intimidation in and outside the Parliament to further their doubtful causes. Including the degrading of the law-giving body of the land to call in the law-enforcing body. Shameful, and a massive loss of face for Thailand. No, I do not know anything more than what's reported which is only a small but important part of the business. It's good to read your wife's view especially taking a neutral point of view. It's very refreshing. Where I live the people are overwhelmingly red, not everyone is but they never express any views in public that I can see. Come elections there are no Democrat or any opposition banners or canvassers and further out into the rural area the totally red villages warn non-red, non-PTP not to go there as their safety cannot be guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 You don't have to go to parliament . you can watch it on TV and youtube. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunderland Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 In Thailand where nothing and no one is truly independent the Speaker is a disgraceful case in point. Far from being a neutral arbiter, adjudicator tasked with ensuring House business is conducted smoothly, fairly and in accordance with accepted procedures he is unashamedly totally biased and prepared to do whatever it takes to look after his parties interests. WE should not be surprised however as it's all part of the PTP total control policy. Go on tell me what has he done that is 'unashamedly totally biased". I presume you have some first hand experience and not just snippets from articles? Oh no, they took a break and the opposition recommenced the discussion after the break. Yes that sounds hugely biased and totally unacceptable. Do you actually know whats going on in the parliament? I do not. Maybe smutcakes don't But you, NK-kid, do you? My wife is 100% Thai, very interested in politics, and what we might call neutral. But she feels shame about the way the coalition in which PTP is the biggest is making a mockery of what democracy should be. And indeed, she is very much annoyed by the speaker of the house who will not let a single stone unturned to silence the opposition. He, and PTP, and the redshirts, are using intimidation in and outside the Parliament to further their doubtful causes. Including the degrading of the law-giving body of the land to call in the law-enforcing body. Shameful, and a massive loss of face for Thailand. No, I do not know anything more than what's reported which is only a small but important part of the business. It's good to read your wife's view especially taking a neutral point of view. It's very refreshing. Where I live the people are overwhelmingly red, not everyone is but they never express any views in public that I can see. Come elections there are no Democrat or any opposition banners or canvassers and further out into the rural area the totally red villages warn non-red, non-PTP not to go there as their safety cannot be guaranteed. Sounds about as much fun living there as Mogadishu in Somalia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 There's no time to let these Opposition MPs speak, but there is time for a break, Yay for Red Democracy & Tea-Breaks ! Send in the Riot-Police Again ! That is not what happened. There was a dispute as to whether an APPOINTED senator could take the place of a previous senator. It was a procedural disagreement. It was a good idea to take a break to allow the tempers to cool. Discussions resumed and the Democrats went back to reciting their rehearsed speeches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 No, I do not know anything more than what's reported which is only a small but important part of the business. It's good to read your wife's view especially taking a neutral point of view. It's very refreshing. Where I live the people are overwhelmingly red, not everyone is but they never express any views in public that I can see. Come elections there are no Democrat or any opposition banners or canvassers and further out into the rural area the totally red villages warn non-red, non-PTP not to go there as their safety cannot be guaranteed. Sounds like phuket and the treatment of anyone aligned with Ptp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thait Spot Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 The Robert Mugabe school of democracy Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ridkun Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 To all PTP members: Let Democrats speak. You are not going to die, hurt or lose your girls letting them speak in the parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 No, I do not know anything more than what's reported which is only a small but important part of the business. It's good to read your wife's view especially taking a neutral point of view. It's very refreshing. Where I live the people are overwhelmingly red, not everyone is but they never express any views in public that I can see. Come elections there are no Democrat or any opposition banners or canvassers and further out into the rural area the totally red villages warn non-red, non-PTP not to go there as their safety cannot be guaranteed. Sounds like phuket and the treatment of anyone aligned with Ptp Great thing this democracy and free speech, divide a country up by colour coding and declare no-go areas for other colours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Well at least the speaker has learnt not to call the cops as soon as he doesn't get his way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Well at least the speaker has learnt not to call the cops as soon as he doesn't get his way. No. The speaker will call upon the designated civil law enforcement officials to enforce the applicable laws. Unlike the Democrats, the Speaker doesn't need the army to prop him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimamey Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 There's no time to let these Opposition MPs speak, but there is time for a break, Yay for Red Democracy & Tea-Breaks ! Send in the Riot-Police Again ! That is not what happened. There was a dispute as to whether an APPOINTED senator could take the place of a previous senator. It was a procedural disagreement. It was a good idea to take a break to allow the tempers to cool. Discussions resumed and the Democrats went back to reciting their rehearsed speeches. Wasn't the break what was asked for so that the politicians could go back to their constituencies? Seems OK to me and as GK says it gives a chance to cool things down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 In Thailand where nothing and no one is truly independent the Speaker is a disgraceful case in point. Far from being a neutral arbiter, adjudicator tasked with ensuring House business is conducted smoothly, fairly and in accordance with accepted procedures he is unashamedly totally biased and prepared to do whatever it takes to look after his parties interests. WE should not be surprised however as it's all part of the PTP total control policy. Go on tell me what has he done that is 'unashamedly totally biased". I presume you have some first hand experience and not just snippets from articles? Oh no, they took a break and the opposition recommenced the discussion after the break. Yes that sounds hugely biased and totally unacceptable. Do you actually know whats going on in the parliament? So smutcakes, what supported facts are your comments made on? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thait Spot Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Well at least the speaker has learnt not to call the cops as soon as he doesn't get his way. No. The speaker will call upon the designated civil law enforcement officials to enforce the applicable laws. Unlike the Democrats, the Speaker doesn't need the army to prop him up. Thaksin thanks Peua Thai's fuzz Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentine Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Well at least the speaker has learnt not to call the cops as soon as he doesn't get his way. No. The speaker will call upon the designated civil law enforcement officials to enforce the applicable laws. Unlike the Democrats, the Speaker doesn't need the army to prop him up. But the police are at their beck & call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Robby nz Posted August 31, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2013 Robby nz, on 31 Aug 2013 - 12:16, said: Well at least the speaker has learnt not to call the cops as soon as he doesn't get his way. No. The speaker will call upon the designated civil law enforcement officials to enforce the applicable laws. Unlike the Democrats, the Speaker doesn't need the army to prop him up. The 'designated civil law enforcement officials' as you call them had to be threatened by the speaker before they would confront the unarmed Dem MP's But apparently he does need the riot police, he did call them to stand by outside parliament, didn't he? Then lied about it saying they were traffic police. Don't remember the Dems ever calling the army into parliament. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backtonormal Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 In Thailand where nothing and no one is truly independent the Speaker is a disgraceful case in point. Far from being a neutral arbiter, adjudicator tasked with ensuring House business is conducted smoothly, fairly and in accordance with accepted procedures he is unashamedly totally biased and prepared to do whatever it takes to look after his parties interests. WE should not be surprised however as it's all part of the PTP total control policy. Go on tell me what has he done that is 'unashamedly totally biased". I presume you have some first hand experience and not just snippets from articles? Oh no, they took a break and the opposition recommenced the discussion after the break. Yes that sounds hugely biased and totally unacceptable. Do you actually know whats going on in the parliament? I do not. Maybe smutcakes don't But you, NK-kid, do you? My wife is 100% Thai, very interested in politics, and what we might call neutral. But she feels shame about the way the coalition in which PTP is the biggest is making a mockery of what democracy should be. And indeed, she is very much annoyed by the speaker of the house who will not let a single stone unturned to silence the opposition. He, and PTP, and the redshirts, are using intimidation in and outside the Parliament to further their doubtful causes. Including the degrading of the law-giving body of the land to call in the law-enforcing body. Shameful, and a massive loss of face for Thailand. Bit like the article...we will have to take your word for it that your wife is interested in politics and neutral. In this forum opinions and emotions appear to hold sway over facts. Too many posters on here have started the story (me included) My wife says (skip to next post) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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