Christians, Christians, Christians, Will You Ever Learn?

[Plus]

There WERE dinosaurs in "Ice Age", the huge long necked ones. Bronosaurs, I think.

The program about evolution wasn't not "creationism", it was a collection of archeological discoveries that do not fit in traditional time frame. Some were about evolution itself, like human footprints inside dinosaurs', others were about populating Americas - they moved it tens of thousands of years earlier.

It's off topic here, but loud protests is what happens if someone challenges any wideheld view.

Majority of Thais no very little about Christianity. Ask anyone what's the difference between Virgin Mary and Mary Magdalene.

[rainman]

Ask anyone what's the difference between Virgin Mary and Mary Magdalene.

one was a virgin and the other wasn't? or should i say both weren't..

[jdinasia]

Love ya to death .... REALLY but no Dinos in Ice age

Back when the Earth was being overrun by glaciers, and animals were scurrying to save themselves from the upcoming Ice Age, a stupid sloth named Sid, a woolly mammoth named Manny, a saber-toothed tiger named Diego, and an acorn-loving saber-toothed squirrel named Scrat are forced to become unlikely heroes. The four reluctantly come together when they have to return a human child to its father while braving the deadly elements of the impending Ice Age.

http://www.iceagemovie.com/index.html

and you could ask almost ANY Christian who the Three Marys are that were in the Bible during Christ's life and they'd name only 1 or 2

There is Mary of Magdala, visionary and wandering, perhaps Jeshua's wife; there is his mother Mary, tough, charismatic, earthy, ultimately desolated by his loss; and there is Mary of Bethany, the girl who followed Jeshua in his last days and has to bear the burden of her undying brother Lazarus for decades afterwards.

<<all 3 present at the crucifixion and the tomb>>

Edited May 17, 2006 by jdinasia

[tomchaam]

5. Take the Bible, or leave it alone, or bash it if you wish. I have just as much 'right' to criticize your hatred of religious teachings, as you have to criticize religion. Non-Christian nations tend to attract expatriates who hate Christianity, and Thailand is generous to allow you here, so long as you don't specifically disparage Buddhism. Again, IMNSHO, I think some of the comments on this thread do so.

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!! I was just kidding about the techno censo stuff! I read your posts and know you have a sense of humour...I certainly believe in freedom of speech and am 100% against any form of censorship unless it is to protect children under the age of 10!

Actually bashing "specifically disparaging" any Religion in Thailand violates the law

I probably should read through what I posted; but I think I avoided any disparaging remarks and kept it clean

I really think your faith is fine (no matter WHAT it is .... and I count Atheism as a faith since it also claims to be able to prove the unprovable).

My only issue here is that the loudest of the non-Buddhists ALL claim that they have they only way ... and that seems to violate the law too

Back to the movie .... I REALLY have been looking forward to this and will be sad if it is cut when I go to see it at the theaters!

[tomchaam]

Jesus, Merry, and Josef! I was just kidding about the techno censo info!!! I highly value thaivisa.com forum and strongly object to all kinds of censorship UNLESS it is to protect the very young children...like under 10 years of age. The censo of DV CODE is soooooooo stupid! I am still going to go to the movie and will probably be arrested because of my anticipated behavior when they cut it off! You just don't cut off the last ten minutes or the six inches or whatever! That's immoral and somewhat criminal in my code of ethics.

[t.s]

t.s.

the "latter days" that suegha was referring to are the days claimed in revalations .... what uegha may not have known is that every generation since about 64ad has claimed that the world was in its last days

he may well have, but my point is that much of the bible itself is based on "fact" as spurious as the church claims brown's book is, yet they cannot deny that their own version of the "truth" is the result of years of refracting and reshaping events, cultures, festivals and traditions until it suited their own ends.

Ironically, it is the church's long history of suprresing that which it did not agree, combined with the tales of the vatian vaults filled with books mankind is never to see, that lend credibility to Brown's fabrications. I enjoy this idea.

I believe the next step is that some mad funamentaist splinter group begins theorizing that the movie was made as a part of a zionist plot to undermine Christianity.

Hollywood does have a fairly prominient Jewish population after all.

All that said, the real point (and on topic to boot!) is that if you are going to censor the final 10 mins of a movie, quit waffling and ban the "gosh-darned" thing outright.

edited because in a discussion of religion, thai visa has not allowed me to use the wor d a m n e d.

Edited May 17, 2006 by t.s

[jdinasia]

t.s. ---

The Fundamentalist Christians (ie The Literalists) don't see the Bible that way ... (like a work of fiction)

I do ALMOST agree about if they are gonna censor it they may as well Ban the whole thing ... but I believe it is likely that the censorship won't actually happen in most places

[t.s]

t.s. ---

The Fundamentalist Christians (ie The Literalists) don't see the Bible that way ... (like a work of fiction)

I do ALMOST agree about if they are gonna censor it they may as well Ban the whole thing ... but I believe it is likely that the censorship won't actually happen in most places

Where did I say they did? I am begining to think yopu are purposely being obtuse.

Very few christians will admit the bible is fiction. As an agnostic myself, i don't think i believe it is 100% fictitious. I think it is rather like those beverages you can buy at any 7-11 that contain 10% real fruit juice, but dont taste anything like fruit.

What i did isay is that it is ironic in my opinion that the church objects to something that their history of cover-ups and re-inventing fact has lent credibility to. Without that history people might not be as willing to entertain the idea that there may just be something to all this.

For clarity, when I refer to the church i mean the Vatican.

As an aside, i added my remark about christian fundamentalists as a speculation of how idiotic the furor surrounding this movie could possibly get.

phew!

[rainman]

just got the news, the police won't ban the movie after all and reversed the ban ..will be shown uncut, unedited.

[penzman]

I wonder if some fanatics will make Brown the Salman Rushdie of the East?

I found out today that the movie is already available (not in theatres) if you look hard enough.

[cclub75]

just got the news, the police won't ban the movie after all and reversed the ban ..will be shown uncut, unedited.

Yes ! Victory of common sense... and money probably. Somchai has eaten his hat.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/05/17...es_30004223.php

It's amazing how stupid they can be. They think after they decide.

[frodo]

That is indeed good news, rainman. Maybe a little "divine intervetion" somewhere? The need to cut out the climax of a film is beyond reasoning.

[tomchaam]

Thanks for the news rainman. I'm on my way tmorrow from Hua Hin to Bangkok to see an uncut and uncensored Da Vinci. I am hoping maybe I can find one of the new Tshirts of Mona Lisa with a frog face entitled "Da Vinci Toad"! The 'authorities' also reversed themselves on banning the Bangkok Inside Out book.

[george]

Breaking News:

Censors reverse tack, Da Vinci Code approved

BANGKOK: -- The police censorship board has upheld the appeal of film distributors, and will allow The Da Vinci Code to be shown uncut and unchanged.

"The panel voted six to five to keep the movie as it is," said James Dhiraputra of Buena Vista International, the company which made the appeal.

Just one remnant remains of the censorship. Exhibitors must show a disclaimer at the start and end of the film stating that it is fiction. Christian groups have protested against its thesis that Jesus Christ married Mary Magdalene and had children.

The decision reverses a decision by the same board 24 hours previously, which ordered that the film's last 10 minutes be cut, and changes made to the subtitles and opening.

Protestant groups had urged that the film be banned or at least cut. The major Christian church in Thailand, the Catholics, have made no public comment on the controversial film.

According to Reuters, the evangelical Christian alliance which brought the censorship request accepted the final decison. "We respect the ruling," Thongchai Pradabchananurat, chairman of the Protestant Coordinating Committee told the news agency. "We have already expressed our feelings in this case and we will just have to forgive."

Foreign film critics, allowed to see the film for the first time today, just 24 hours before it opens in Thai theatres, roundly and apparently unanimously panned it.

Reuters reported that at a press screening late on Tuesday in Cannes, members of the audience laughed at the thriller's pivotal moment, and the end of the $125 million picture was greeted with stony silence.

"'Da Vinci' never rises to the level of a guilty pleasure. Too much guilt. Not enough pleasure," said Kirk Honeycutt of the Hollywood Reporter. Other critics agreed.

Lee Marshall of Screen International told the news agency: "I thought it was plodding and there was a complete lack of chemistry between Audrey Tautou and Tom Hanks."

For 24 hours, Thailand was the only country on Earth which agreed to censor the film. After the Tuesday decision by the film censorship board, the distributors appealed - and won.

Pol Maj Gen Somwong Lipiphun, who serves as chairman of the censorship committee, told reporters this evening that the film "can be screened without any cuts," a total reversal of Tuesday's censorship.

--Bangkokpost.com, Agencies 2006-05-17

[george]

See separate thread for this update.