Urgent help needed!

[JLCrab]

OOPS

Edited February 14, 2014 by JLCrab

[wym]

whatever guess you like talking to yourself, watch out for hairy palms

[JLCrab]

whatever guess you like talking to yourself, watch out for hairy palms

If you were 5 we could say: Cute kid ... and such a vivid imagination!

[wym]

I WAS cute at 5, mum always says it was downhill from there 8-)

[Scarpolo]

Whoa brothers, and sisters.......

Key phrase of this entire thread is to be found in the first few lines,

girlfriend stops talking to me in December.................

but,

she didnt stop talking to her friends about how to proceed.......

really man,

change your phone number and have a lawyer contact her for the DNA testing,

stay clear of any further personal exchanges,

if she had feelings for you, this is mid Feb bro?

count the amount of other men that may involve, in let's say, just 3 week of the missing 9?

sorry to be crass brother, but, did you think she was a virgin?

[steven100]

Did someone leave the front door open at Ward 99 tonight .

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[Scarpolo]

Not to hate on you bro, but it sounds like she's taking you for a sucker and trying to hook you bait, line, and sinker. I've lived in SE Asia for three years, so I'velearned through trial-and-error mind games women here play.

Signs the girl may be a trick (not trustworthy and out to scam you):

1) You met her on Thai Love Links (I was on there too and A LOT of women are looking for a farang husband/walking ATM to bring them to their native country)

2) She lives in Pattaya (Bar girl capital of Thailand, if not world)

3) You bought her an iPad and give her a monthly stipend (If you give them an inch, they'll take you for a foot and keep wanting more)

4) She is from Isaan (Khon Kaen); Not a bad thing in itself, but I lived in Khon Kaen and believe me, many "poor" women there want to date/marry any farang they can, just so they can get either free English lessons or start a new life in the West (women have told me this point blank)

5) Of course she's going to say she's 100% sure the baby is yours if she's out to scam you. You seem like a friendly new-to-Thailand kind of guy and women like that can sense it on you and they'll try to financially bleed you if they think you're a "sucker."

6)If she's not college educated and has no true education and works in Pattaya, chances are she got knocked up by another farang after working in a gogo bar/massage parlor/etc and now she wants to save face to her family by telling she loves you and wants you to get married. This way she can tell her family you both are in love and you planned the pregnancy.

7) How long have you two known each other and how well do you know each other?

Again, not trying to be a "hater" but PLEASE make sure without a doubt the kid is yours. If it is, then helping to raise it would be noble, but I'd never trust the majority of women I met on TLL.

There are so many Nigerians, who would love to be able to play this game with men online,

How is it, that these girls get "customers" to believe they are "boyfriends" after knowing them for just a week, (and they had sex the entire time, but she was a virgin, I swear)

and then get them to send money, AFTER the services are performed and already PAID IN FULL?

please, explain this to me?

and to the guy who said he was a banker and not an idiot?

no,, you are in an industry of whores, how would you know the difference?

and, I hope, you arent with JP Morgan in FOrex, because, they are getting knocked off all over the globe, lately

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpH-KwImjAM

[Scarpolo]

I have a fairly good idea that she is not a prostitute. We spoke every day and she worked at a sushi restaurant. I was very stupid to have unprotected sex and I will never make that mistake again. For the record, I got tested 2 weeks ago after I didn't hear from her it come back negative. It was even more scarier than this situation.

There are many degrees of prostitution in TH. A girl that needs a few bucks at the end of the month might not be against going down to the bar, hooking up with a naive stranger, then seeing if she can get some money out of him in the morning. Sometimes they say something like, "I need to borrow a little money..." Happens here all the time.

Also, studies show most Thai girls with HIV don't tell their partners they have it.

Thats wierd,

my thai g/f, from the "imdustry" asked to borrow 3,000 Baht for creams and other things, and said she would pay me back the next time she saw me, two days later, and she did..........hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Scarpolo]

I don't know how old you are , but you seem incredibly naive to me .

Thais are not the same as ausies or Brits , lots of them have babies out of wedlock .

There are no paternity ties to make you responsible for the child . Pattaya is not a good address , where did you meet her , in a bar ?

My advice to you is to stay in Australia and forget about it . We Falang think of ourselves as exclusive boyfriends , but Thais don't think that way .

Some girls have multiple men friends . The advantage of pinning the pregnancy on a foreigner is money , foreigners will naively pay up and support mother

and baby , Thai men won't .

you forgot to add, that he would also be supporting her thai boyfriends and perhaps her alcohol habit, assuming there is one

someone was drunk, or this wouldnt be a topic

Edited February 14, 2014 by Scarpolo

[Scarpolo]

alternatively (if she is really pregant) and you want to kiss your life as yuo know it and all future peace of mind out of the window. run to her have the kid, worry about it for 20 years and more and ive with some bird that you will hate or despize but you will have to pay for - for ever and a day

Regardless of how shit the situation is I could never just abandon a child that was genetically mine. Id spend the rest of my life wondering and the freedom it would give me would be ruined by the guilt Id have.

Really simple advice to the OP - If the DNA says its yours dont be a cun_t and take care of the child. If the DNA says otherwise delete numbers and forget about it and laugh at your lucky escape.

If the kid is his, he needs to get it to Australia, and not stay here in Thailand....whether the mother comes or not, is secondary

[Scarpolo]

dump her. dont get dna test as she will take you to the cleaners. not wanting the family to know is bs.

what does she do for a living in pattaya?

it pays to know that it is a common scam for girls to tell some dim witted guy that she is pregnant either to scam him for the cost of an abortion or just get some extra money. the old ectopic pregnancy is a good one as it requires a termination but is much more expensive.

alternatively (if she is really pregant) and you want to kiss your life as yuo know it and all future peace of mind out of the window. run to her have the kid, worry about it for 20 years and more and ive with some bird that you will hate or despize but you will have to pay for - for ever and a day

So, are you saying your "solution" to an unwanted pregnancy is to "dump her" ... ever though the child may be his? Nice guy.

If all said in Post #1 is true i.e. only 2 occasions where no condom used but 'pulled out' well before completion then the odds would be that the baby (if there really is one) is not his.

Odds are ZERO, if he pulled out...............that is why we pull out, before the troops move in.,,,,,,,,,,,, ZERO chance it is his, I am giving odds...

$1,000 a pop

[Scarpolo]

1. Get her on internet chat web camera and have her strip naked from her chest to butt allowing you to see firsthand that she is really pregnant. Do not take no for an answer and do not send her any money, especially if she asked or implied she wants you to send her money or other financial assistance when she notified you 4 months after the last time together. If she balks on any part of this.... tell her to get lost! You might follow up with an offer to accept photos of her naked midsection instead of doing the internet chat webcam view... but only if the photos are nude shots from both the front and side of her.

2. If she is not clearly showing pregnancy after over 5 month... tell her to definitely get lost with finality!

3. If yes she is showing pregnancy... ask her for the name of her doctor, phone number and the hospital or doctor's clinic...

4. Indicate your willingness to help pay all doctor bills and clinic/hospital bills only if the girlfriend fully cooperates by doing the above and directing the providers to cooperate with you to protect your interest as follows.

5. Contact the doctor and clinic/hospital and verify she is a patient and obtain the approximate date of initial pregnancy with an accounting of the dates she visited doctor or clinic/hospital all formally written with her doctor's signed letter under official letterhead and mailed directly to you by certified mail.

6. Cut the girl out of your research and communication loop in regard to your actions at this point while you obtain valuable legal advice and possible investigative services in Thailand to verify her activities during the last five months and during the months just prior to your last visit with her.

7. Once you know for sure that she has been with other men since 2 months prior to your last visit with her last August, contact her and tell her that you are going to wait until the baby is born to render any financial assistance and only communicate cooly from a distance on occasion.

8. Tell her in advance to arrange with the doctor to make a copy of the birth certificate, record the blood types of the baby and the girlfriend nupon birth, then forward directly to you.

9. Have the girlfriend send clearly visible pictures of the baby in her arms taken in the hospital and again at home with the family.

10. If everything still appears to be legit and the girlfriend has cooperated fully with all the above, you have sufficient reason to go to Thailand and take the girlfriend and the baby with you to an unnamed clinic/hospital which is highly reputable among farangs such as Bumrungrad International Hospital in Bangkok.

11. Have blood draws done on all three of you with blood typing and DNA tests. Then you know with certainty and your girlfriend has passed the test of dependability and steadfastness with trust in your leadership. If she did not do that... then you have already told her to get lost!

12. Any refusal to cooperate to get step by step information with you in control of the process means... tell her to get lost!

Why not just call the Mamasan at the bar, and tell her you are with the FBI MI6, or Hells Angels and want to know the truth, immediatley?

[Scarpolo]

The pregnancy trick isn't exclusive to Thailand, but in fact is very common the world over. Some pregnant women even sell positive pregnancy tests in the US, especially near military bases (Fort Bragg, looking at you).

All that aside, i've heard that there are dna tests that both of you can take and mail in to see if the DNA matches. If it does then cool, congrats. If not then you won't be played like a sucker, congrats.

I had a married g/f pull that on me in LA,

I sent $2,000 for an abortion that never took place,

She eventually admitting lying and gave it back,

needless to say when she did get pregnant and I knew for sure it wasnt mine,

I sent a message to her husband, asking him to make sure it was his

true story

[Scarpolo]

If your not capable of working things out for your self,you are too young to have left home. Go back to your parents.

Thids is an age old scam here. Look at the facts:

You met her on the internet

She wanted money as soon as you met her

She must have been seeing other guys

She's living in Pattaya

She's 20 years old so no education

Does she or has she ever worked? (excepting bars)

Do the right thing:- forget her, if she is pregnant wait until the baby is born (i doubt if she is she just wants money to pretend she will have an abortion). If she does have the baby get a DNA test from a reputable place. This is Thailand after all mate and thousands of guys have been given the same story that she's probably been told to say by other girls. This may seem harsh, but please believe me, it happens all the time. You cannot judge these girls like you would an Australian girl.

Lastly .............learn by this !!!

Why do you guys keep stating she is "un-educated?"

She is a professional, and well schooled on how to suck money out of the unsuspecting......

If alcohol weren't involved, none of this would be an issue;

only a drunken fool would believe this story,

hang on, my girl is getting me a beer.....

she not only knows I don't want a baby (my last two are 26-23)

she knows what hardships are directly ahead of her, with a guy 21 years older than her,

needless to say, she is on the pill, but if she wasn't, or lied about it, and got pregnant, it would be mine and I would be screwed, as, I would not be in favor of an abortion.....and the kid would suffer.....but I live with this girl, she is not on some Thailand Web-bite, trolling for money, and she doesnt want to go to the US, so, what would I do? Have a kid that I know will live a harder life than was necessary, but would be one damn good looking kid,

Pattaya?

let me guess, she was raised in Isaan and came to Pattaya on a boat down the Mekong River?

[Scarpolo]

I find all these suggestions that you make this young woman "prove" she's pregnant on web-cam rather heartless.

It would seem sensible to fly out there now, stay for around a week, and then maybe come-back for the birth.

1. The first thing is to tell her that you're an honourable man and would like a prenatal DNA test to be done. I suggest out of politeness; you put it like this "I want to be sure about my, or our, future (together)".

.

2. Assuming you are the father; you need to make sure that this girl is properly cared for. Now and after the baby comes. If she stops works then she'll need an income.

3. She might have to return to her parents pretty soon. You should certainly discuss about meeting her family before the baby is born. If you're planning on taking care of this girl and baby; then you're already making a commitment and to show this commitment via marriage would be appropriate and appreciated.

4. Now; will she stay in Thailand or whatever? You need to communicate with her. You need to spend time with her and decide if you can from a relationship together. You need to be calm, show leadership and act pragmatically in whatever you do. Perhaps she won't want to be with you. Perhaps you'll fall in love. Perhaps in a few years you might wish to move to Thailand. Who knows? You certainly can't decide all this now. The more time you have together, and the better you know each other, the more that events will naturally take their course.

Please keep us updated on the outcome.

Pictures of the baby would be nice.

Take care.

What a thoughtful and caring response.

[Oscar2]

O.K. mistake made. do the DNA. if the bay is yours man up and assume responsibility. give the kid love and a chance in life.

if the bay is not yours then move on. lesson learned but don't be hoping in the sack without using a condom.

stay away from meeting girls over the Internet. they are scammers.

avoid women from Isaan.

best of luck.

[ChiangraiTony]

If you decide to have the blood and DNA test done you may also want to get tested for HIV.

[Scarpolo]

You care, so you're a nice guy.

My main advice would be : don't trust her. Be - a bit - selfish because today you have no clue if is she is honest with you

Based on what you said with : 90% chances that she doesn't give a shit about.

Why? Many reasons?

Living in Pattaya is a bad signal, why there? Probably sent by her parents to send money back home.

Working in a sushi bar does not mean anything, many girls do that + free lancing.

Why to wait for 4 months to tell you? She knew well before December she was pregnant. Why she didn't told you right away? Did she try with another naive befoie you? Maybe.

All girls on TLL have have several relationships (unless it took you months chatting with her to hook her).

I'm sure you understand that being a father is one thing, being an husband is another. Don't commit yourself for the later unless you're - almost - sure she do care about you. It might take years. And even if she cares about you, it will probably still be difficult for her to live in Australia.

Trap her !

Get in touch with her on TLL with another name, even IP ... and see what happens.

If you can afford it, give some bucks to a guy to follow her for a week.

It's not nice but it's the only way to figure out.

The good point for her is that she brought you to her family. If they leave in a village, it means marriage in many cases. Since you spent 4 weeks there, you should have a pretty good idea if her family tries to get as much as possible from you (Paying local whiskey and beers all the time doesn't mean that !).

This last point is very important. In most cases, just be aware that you never marry a Thai girl, you marry her family. In other words, her mother say will always be more important than what you say.

As said by many others, don't bring her to Oz.

Good luck... and keep in mind it's your life first and you're only 30 !

Excellent advice to use another name on the website,

I wish I thought of it first, but I dont believe any of it, so I didnt

That said, Thai girls are sweeter than candy,

I understand his situation, and good men are hard to come by, for them

they see a lot of garbage

[Skint]

The OP has surprisingly not returned done in his 11 posts in one day not a bad troll post 322 replies

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[NeverSure]

The OP has surprisingly not returned done in his 11 posts in one day not a bad troll post 322 replies

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You beat me to it. I think it's time for me to start another new topic like this but you can be sure it will have sick buffalo in it.

[h90]

Whether you choose to believe it or not, in all likelihood, she is out to take advantage of you (financially).

The pregnancy 'scam' is the oldest trick in the book, so don't fall for it.

You have no obligation towards the girl and her family, so just chalk it down to experience, and get on with your life.

That's right, cut all contact with her.

The odds are slim, that the child is yours.

I just wanted to tell that you are too negative but than I recall reading that:

"I met her family in Khon Kaen."

"She is 20 and lives in Pattaya"

So I guess you are right....

[Scarpolo]

After more then 150 trips to Thailand in 20 years....this is the same old story told time after time...

She's probably not pregnant...and if she is it's probably some other guys child. Also don't even think about marrying some Thai Esan girl...You as a Farlang are an ATM machine for her and her family nothing more. Sure they are cute and can say in a sexy Asian accent "I love you darling", in 5 languages....:)but realities are this girl probably has a 2nd grade education,and probably can't even speak Thai correctly. So do you want to spend your whole life with someone you can't even have a decent conversation with? Your life with her will be about her desire to accumulate things, money, gold and housing....and then the only thing you will do with her is get together with her other Thai bargirl friends that married Farlangs and listen to them brag who has more money....

If you do marry her be prepared to fork out big $$$ to the family, maybe a new house for her and her family. Emergency medical bills the list of money draining scams is long...

Just remember this...Thailand is Disneyland for Adults, when you go there you ride the rides and go home happy....you don't bring the rides back home with you....The same should be applied with most Thai women.....

For what its worth...

I call it "Candyland" but thats' because I am not an adult,

I am a 53 year old father of two adults of 26 and 23 and although "babies" are cute,

they arent babies, they are adults in small size and very costly,

No one should have a kid who shouldnt at their stage in life, regardless of the circumstances,

half of Australia is in drought on fire and the other half is drowning,

theOP should take a ride over here, and spend a week, but his g/f a new Iphone and put the prograM Thai Spy on it, and all his worries will be over,

one way or another,

he should have put Thai Spy on the IPAD, but, if he has the Apple ID account hecan still do it

he needs the device in had though, with her in the shower

case closed

[Scarpolo]

She should open a coffee stand, honest as she is.

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wait a second,

my g/f wants to open a coffee stand,

you mean to tell m, there is a coffee stand scam now too?

my god, how do we keep up with all this!?

[Scarpolo]

ok lad first things first why did she stop talking to you, I mean did you have a row, because even thai girls do things

for a reason even if its difficult for us farangs to understand.

the fact that you mention this implies to me you were not totally happy when she stopped communication.

the fact that she is/was not a bar girl is irrelevant, a friend was dating a girl from a laundry who had multiple boyfriends

with names photo's and details pinned to the wall above her computer desk. very well organised and not shy to show

resident farangs how clever she was.

so take nothing for granted and plan for the worst scenario and hope for the best, I have seen quite a few expats get

caught with the baby thing some turn out to be thai some are farang but in a lot of cases it is viewed as a way to tie

down the farang (just like the uk when I was a lad)

a friend up country after spending £200k and nine years on farming confided that if not for the baby he would of been long gone by now, so slowly slowly do not dive in, you have your whole life ahead, there are a lot of things to consider, like

would it be best to pay a decent P.I to check this lady out, if I was at your age in your predicament I would seriously

consider it. but as they say here up to you. good luck.

He doesnt need a PI,

he can download Thai Spy onto her IPAD, and know every single key stroke she makes

[Scarpolo]

Not to hate on you bro, but it sounds like she's taking you for a sucker and trying to hook you bait, line, and sinker. I've lived in SE Asia for three years, so I'velearned through trial-and-error mind games women here play.

Signs the girl may be a trick (not trustworthy and out to scam you):

1) You met her on Thai Love Links (I was on there too and A LOT of women are looking for a farang husband/walking ATM to bring them to their native country)

2) She lives in Pattaya (Bar girl capital of Thailand, if not world)

3) You bought her an iPad and give her a monthly stipend (If you give them an inch, they'll take you for a foot and keep wanting more)

4) She is from Isaan (Khon Kaen); Not a bad thing in itself, but I lived in Khon Kaen and believe me, many "poor" women there want to date/marry any farang they can, just so they can get either free English lessons or start a new life in the West (women have told me this point blank)

5) Of course she's going to say she's 100% sure the baby is yours if she's out to scam you. You seem like a friendly new-to-Thailand kind of guy and women like that can sense it on you and they'll try to financially bleed you if they think you're a "sucker."

6)If she's not college educated and has no true education and works in Pattaya, chances are she got knocked up by another farang after working in a gogo bar/massage parlor/etc and now she wants to save face to her family by telling she loves you and wants you to get married. This way she can tell her family you both are in love and you planned the pregnancy.

7) How long have you two known each other and how well do you know each other?

Again, not trying to be a "hater" but PLEASE make sure without a doubt the kid is yours. If it is, then helping to raise it would be noble, but I'd never trust the majority of women I met on TLL.

Ironically, Thai Love Links ad was attached to your post,

probably to all of them

really, Thai Love Links,

why dont they call it

Call girl links?

I messaged a pretty girl from Thai Friendly, and in 30 minutes, she was at my door,

really <deleted> is wrong w people?

Pregnant? After breaking up with him 4 months prior,

holy freaking shitstorm batman......how needy can a man be?

and, why did she contact him? when did he ever mention, LOVE?

did she work on days he didnt see her?

I cant even believe this is real anymore,

someone posted a fake scenario to flush all of us out of our "hidden" thoughts,

like the supposed female, who asked if the sex industry would effect her already sex less marriage

[Scarpolo]

I have learn't so much from these posts.

1) ALL women who live in Pattaya are hookers, HHMMM

2) ALL Thai women are crafty, greedy and dishonest liars. HMMMM

3) ALL Farangs who ask for opions are stupid and deserve to be insulted, (by their peers). HMMMMM

4) There is no such thing as meeting a decent woman on a dating site, and if there is an age difference then you are nothing more than a walking ATM.

Very interesting, Thankyou for enlightening me, I will now tell my Thai Fiance that it is over between us, thankyou all for the good advice.

Good move.

I was being sarcastic to all the doom and gloom posters.

I met my Fiance on Thai Lovelinks, Yes she is from Isaan, 14 years in BKK in the banking industry, no children, VIRGIN when she met me after 6 months of Skype EVERY day 1-2 hrs plus emails.

Yes she loves me and yes I love her. 2 weeks together last August, met family etc. 2 more weeks coming March and wedding in May.

Yes I am 53 and she is 35, so to all you synics, Tell me how stupid I am, By the way I am a branch manager for a multi national company and I didn't get here because I'm stupid.

Good Luck with this............but as they say - keep a jaundiced eye opened, he fact she is 35 and unmarried is a real 'red flag' - or maybe was just being used as an ATM by her family so her brothers could go to School - its quite common for the Sister to become servitude to their family, to but the brother the Motorcycle, pay for his education, pocket money etc etc etc.

Just make sure the Pee-Chai is really the Brother, and not the 'Lao Cow' drinking Thai Husband.

The Sisters are indeed, in servitude to their familes, NO DOUBT about this, as my g/f has already told me how much she has paid out to her mother, brother, the brothers first wife, and now the second, including buying them houses, (she owns them in her name at least) and, giving the brother her scooter, when she bought her car, (outright, no loan)

I am ok with anything from the past, but what she does now with her money, is surely her choice,

I have already told her, I do not want to leave Thailand as life in the States sucked, is grossly inflated, and in moral and economic collapse, including having 800 concentration camps already built, and waiting for occupants (people who stopped paying their mortgages 3 and 4 years ago, and think they are going to stay in those homes forever, when their new Chinese landlords come, and evict them........dont believe America has concentration camps? Google Supreme Court Justice Roberts, and FEMA camps, and then go to Youtube, and you will see them.

As for the OP,

I no longer believe this story and do believe Thai Visa is in the process of collecting our data

[Scarpolo]

I really like that you feel responsible for this but as a Thai I have to say what I know about my country.

You might not know how many Thai girls (especially Pattaya girls) are ready to get pregnant just to get a foreigner husband to support them and their families.

And you might not know how many people here have STD and HIV as you decided to have unprotected sex.

And...one sperm can make you a father in 9 months, that one sperm (or 1000 more) can come out before you have orgasm.

Anyway, I'm sorry that this happens when you're not ready and causes stress but you have to make sure about everything before you take full responsibility.

My boyfriend was claimed to be the father of his ex-thai date's baby (he used condoms). I knew the story after we are together.

My boyfriend and his family always supported her very well, even took her to Austria to take care of her.

She acted so nice in front of his family but acted like a b_tch in front of us and said she was 1000% sure that the baby was my boyfriend's.

I suffered a lot because of the fact that someone was gonna have my bf's baby but finally when the DNA test came out, it wasn't his.

Now she says "I'm not sure anymore but I'm not a bad girl" (yeah yeah...)

So, get the DNA test. It's important. If it's yours, congratulations! If not, umm you should stay away from this girl and learn your lesson.

My bf lost a lot of money and learned his lesson already.

Just wish to say thanks and that I’m really happy we have some Thais, like FloranceM, who wish to join the Thai Visa Forum, share their view and post their opinion or advises; that balance it all up or even confirms how some of us aliens see the Thai way of living.

I feel it is time to introduce my friend Rich Lauber to the thread:

He can sum this all up, in just a few short bars:

Enjoy:

[RandomSand]

I have already told her, I do not want to leave Thailand as life in the States sucked, is grossly inflated, and in moral and economic collapse, including having 800 concentration camps already built, and waiting for occupants (people who stopped paying their mortgages 3 and 4 years ago, and think they are going to stay in those homes forever, when their new Chinese landlords come, and evict them........dont believe America has concentration camps? Google Supreme Court Justice Roberts, and FEMA camps, and then go to Youtube, and you will see them.

As for the OP,

I no longer believe this story and do believe Thai Visa is in the process of collecting our data

Lay off the happy pizza before logging onto web forums is my best advice to you.

[Scarpolo]

I have already told her, I do not want to leave Thailand as life in the States sucked, is grossly inflated, and in moral and economic collapse, including having 800 concentration camps already built, and waiting for occupants (people who stopped paying their mortgages 3 and 4 years ago, and think they are going to stay in those homes forever, when their new Chinese landlords come, and evict them........dont believe America has concentration camps? Google Supreme Court Justice Roberts, and FEMA camps, and then go to Youtube, and you will see them.

As for the OP,

I no longer believe this story and do believe Thai Visa is in the process of collecting our data

Lay off the happy pizza before logging onto web forums is my best advice to you.

Thanks for the advice,

what part do you not believe?

That the USA has 800 built concentration camps,

or that Justice Roberts confirmed,that the Supreme Court justices are ready to authorize their use?

[Thongkorn]

Her psychology probably works like this. She likes you and has sex with you. When you're not around she probably likes other guys and has sex with them.

You definitely understand this place.

does money change hands or is it for love in Pattaya.