Hi so so what

[recycler]

Thailand has a feudal society with a very stringent "caste system". Within 5 minutes after meeting each other for the first time Thais have figured out who it the higher and who the lower one.

The advantage of being a farang is that we are for a large amount outside this system. This is not just an advantage to us, but also to Thai girls that have a very hard time finding a match that would be agreed on by both families, a farang is much easier accepted by the family and not just for the money.

If you want to get yourself in to the hi-so low-so thing and measure your girls by that you start acting just like the Thais

I prefer to stay out of that all together, let the Thais sort that shit out it's pure discrimination!

[Berkshire]

The OP is making the typical mistake when using the word hi-so. From what I have read on these forums, the following seems to be the belief:

Farangs on TV: Hi so's are all Thai women who are not interested in farangs, i.e., have their own money.

Thais in general: Hi so's are the ultra wealthy and typically consort amongst themselves. A tiny percentage of the population.

In Thailand, it seems that most Thai women who are interested in farangs have a financial incentive, usually because they are mired in poverty. Hence, when a farang says he's dating a hi so, it's supposed to suggest that the woman is not with him for money. But these women are never truly hi so. I doubt many farangs have even met a hi so, yet these are the ones with the most negative opinions (jealousy? envy?)

I've met some hi so's in my time in Thailand, mostly men, but some women as well. Mostly at fundraising events, but occasionally in business. They are generally humble, decent people. They never flaunt their wealth and you'd never know they were hi so unless someone told you (e.g., he owns so-and-so bank, or so-and-so corporation, etc.). They're usually quite driven, but are surprisingly down-to-earth.

Now I've never dated a true hi so. I've dated some pretty wealthy ladies, but not hi so's. I can't imagine why a Thai hi so would want to date a farang. Much like how I can't imagine why a hi so farang would want to date a Thai. With that kind of money (and I'm talking multi-billionaire in THB), why spend time with someone you can barely communicate with?

[Beetlejuice]

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[oogster8]

I think the problem is that the term "hi so" gets missused to often here.

More often than not, when a farang sais his g/f or wife is Hi So, the truth is more likely to be that she is a normal middle class lady.

For example my wife is head of a private hospital here, very well educated and comes from a good honest, hard working family. She looks Chinese/Thai because she has very white skin but she is 100% Thai (to her knowledge).

Yet my wife is not High-so, at least I dont consider her to be.

She is a normal hard working educated middle class lady.

The issue is that, there are a lot of farangs dating or married to very low class, uneducated poor women.

When farangs sometimes compare normal middle class to low class women or bargirls/prostitutes, the normal middle class women is often upgraded (incorrectly) by some farangs to "Hi-So" status.

Even some Thai's (poorer or lower class ones) will label a well dressed, well spoken thai with a good job and a good income as "Hi-so" even though in most cases it is not true.

The other part of the problem is the underlying competetive attitude between some farangs here, "the mine is better or bigger than yours" battle, which can often lead to gross over exagerations on some peoples part.

I can understand why so many farangs like to make it clear that they are not dating or married to bargirls or prostitutes, thats be honest it's a horrible stigma to have.

It is no secret, in fact I would go as far as to say that it's common knowledge that farangs on the whole are perceived to be connoisseurs of low class women by many in Thailand and i guess if we are honest it is teue to the lesser extent.

I am not knocking anyone who dates low class or uneducated women, even bargirls and prostitutes, after all it's their life and up to them, I dont understand why farang men would want to date such women, but I dont need to understand because it's none of ny business.

I do however understand or relate to farangs who do not wish to be tarred with the same brush, or have people assume that because they are a farang, then there girlfriend can only be a poor uneducated bar girl.

I have grown up here since I was. kid, have full Thai nationality, but I am still a farang and sometimes people that dont know us will surley make assumptions about me and my wife, which is really annoying for both of us.

I have never even been in a farang type bar or go go bar, let alone had a conversation with a bar girl of prostitute, but because I'm a farang people assume that I have.

My wife put her self through university and has worked hard all her life, yes she is now enjoying a relativley high sallary but she had to work very very hard to get this stage, so if someone is to assume she is with me for money, or to be assumed to be an ex bar girl is the ultimate insult to her.

So to summerise I persnally would not claim my wife to be anymore than she actually is, a hard working, well educated MIDDLE class Thai lady, nothing more nothing less.

But I realise that as long as many farangs are subjected to the stigma of people assuming their g/f / wives are poor uneducated bar girls or prostitutes, when they actually not, then there will be those that feel the need to embellish the status of their ladies.

Thailand, just like any other country has a broad mixture of women, low class, middle class and of course high class (hi-so).

Obviously the low class ones are easier to get for obvious reasons (maybe why so many farangs end up with these types)

the middle and high class ones are going to take more effort on the mans part to "get the girl" so to speak" (not money, for the genuine middle class ones).

So to answer then OP'S questions, there is every type of women available in thailand, that you would expect to find in any other country the world over,

the question is, is the OP willing to put the effort in to get the type he wants.

im not thai and only visit yet i see a lot of what you see.

its just common sense to analyze whats goes on here. I dont see why people say u need to understand thai culture. FOLLOW the money!

[Pops]

the term hi so used on this board is simply a misnomer. the fact remains that the vast majority of foreigners in thailand don't even get close to any true thai "hi-so".

you must either be very wealthy yourself, or have a connection through business, or have attended school with them abroad or all of the above to have an in.

the true high so moves in very rarefied air.

Foreigners as well as "lo-so" Thais do not even get close to any true Thai "hi-so".

As said: The true Thai "hi-so" moves in very rarefied air.

They live in a world of their own.

Very protected and rarely mingle with commoners

They're being escorted to exclusive expensive international nurseries/kindergartens by their drivers/nannies/body guards and mingle with children of the same status.

That will continue though out their lives in everything they do and anywhere they go.

[tyler2208]

The OP is making the typical mistake when using the word hi-so. From what I have read on these forums, the following seems to be the belief:

Farangs on TV: Hi so's are all Thai women who are not interested in farangs, i.e., have their own money.

Thais in general: Hi so's are the ultra wealthy and typically consort amongst themselves. A tiny percentage of the population.

In Thailand, it seems that most Thai women who are interested in farangs have a financial incentive, usually because they are mired in poverty. Hence, when a farang says he's dating a hi so, it's supposed to suggest that the woman is not with him for money. But these women are never truly hi so. I doubt many farangs have even met a hi so, yet these are the ones with the most negative opinions (jealousy? envy?)

I've met some hi so's in my time in Thailand, mostly men, but some women as well. Mostly at fundraising events, but occasionally in business. They are generally humble, decent people. They never flaunt their wealth and you'd never know they were hi so unless someone told you (e.g., he owns so-and-so bank, or so-and-so corporation, etc.). They're usually quite driven, but are surprisingly down-to-earth.

Now I've never dated a true hi so. I've dated some pretty wealthy ladies, but not hi so's. I can't imagine why a Thai hi so would want to date a farang. Much like how I can't imagine why a hi so farang would want to date a Thai. With that kind of money (and I'm talking multi-billionaire in THB), why spend time with someone you can barely communicate with?

+1 well said

[oogster8]

the flip side. Do thiai girl put farangs in classes.? low classs. lower class and lowest class.....................lol. agaian los doesnt that attract many great guys who are here on their own dime.

[Jawnie]

I was never interested in hi-so Thai women because I'm not that much into the social lifestyle, which I assume would be a big part of a hi-so woman's life. My take other than that (after 2.5 years in Bkk) was that most educated and working Thai women aren't interested in farang men. Of course, I dated several women. One thing I learned early on (and stuck to it) is that if the woman didn't finish high school and barely spoke English, I'd move on right away - no matter how good she looked or how nice and enticing she might be. Not because I looked down on her but rather I simply wasn't interested in spending a long time in a relationship in which neither of us could truly understand each other. This had to do with both language and as to educational and social background.

The women I spent the most time with was actually half-Farang...her mother is from the US and the father is Thai. She'd never met her mother but the talked on the phone regularly. She doesn't know where her father is. In any case, she did not go to college but she learned English, was giving and kind, had her own shop, and even had a nice big pick-up truck. She was a good friend, too, and not high maintenance, which I assume would be the case with a hi-so. I was never really interested in finding out.

Edited January 24, 2014 by Jawnie

[tyler2208]

the flip side. Do thiai girl put farangs in classes.? low classs. lower class and lowest class.....................lol. agaian los doesnt that attract many great guys who are here on their own dime.

of course thai's put farangs into classes.

sometimes it is harder for thai's to place farangs into a class, than other thais.

ever heard the term ****Thai language removed**** (farang kii nok) ?

The problem is, for some thais, whatever your background, status or proffession, you will be places into a particular class just because your a farang.

Edited January 24, 2014 by metisdead
Thai language edited out of post. This is an English language forum, English is the only acceptable language, except in the Thai language forum where Thai language is allowed.

[sam sen]

My wife was an accountant, hard working but certainly by no means hi so if you check the salary in Los for accountants

there are accountants and accountants here... a professionally qualified accountant, such as he one working at my GF's law firm, earns a very respectable salary.

[I knew this would happen]

Why should you car what other people think?

I CAR a lot what others think, that´s why mine is so expensive Another important hi so equipment

Edited January 24, 2014 by I knew this would happen

[Berkshire]

I think the problem is that the term "hi so" gets missused to often here.

More often than not, when a farang sais his g/f or wife is Hi So, the truth is more likely to be that she is a normal middle class lady.

For example my wife is head of a private hospital here, very well educated and comes from a good honest, hard working family. She looks Chinese/Thai because she has very white skin but she is 100% Thai (to her knowledge).

Yet my wife is not High-so, at least I dont consider her to be.

She is a normal hard working educated middle class lady.

The issue is that, there are a lot of farangs dating or married to very low class, uneducated poor women.

When farangs sometimes compare normal middle class to low class women or bargirls/prostitutes, the normal middle class women is often upgraded (incorrectly) by some farangs to "Hi-So" status.

Even some Thai's (poorer or lower class ones) will label a well dressed, well spoken thai with a good job and a good income as "Hi-so" even though in most cases it is not true.

The other part of the problem is the underlying competetive attitude between some farangs here, "the mine is better or bigger than yours" battle, which can often lead to gross over exagerations on some peoples part.

I can understand why so many farangs like to make it clear that they are not dating or married to bargirls or prostitutes, thats be honest it's a horrible stigma to have.

It is no secret, in fact I would go as far as to say that it's common knowledge that farangs on the whole are perceived to be connoisseurs of low class women by many in Thailand and i guess if we are honest it is teue to the lesser extent.

I am not knocking anyone who dates low class or uneducated women, even bargirls and prostitutes, after all it's their life and up to them, I dont understand why farang men would want to date such women, but I dont need to understand because it's none of ny business.

I do however understand or relate to farangs who do not wish to be tarred with the same brush, or have people assume that because they are a farang, then there girlfriend can only be a poor uneducated bar girl.

I have grown up here since I was. kid, have full Thai nationality, but I am still a farang and sometimes people that dont know us will surley make assumptions about me and my wife, which is really annoying for both of us.

I have never even been in a farang type bar or go go bar, let alone had a conversation with a bar girl of prostitute, but because I'm a farang people assume that I have.

My wife put her self through university and has worked hard all her life, yes she is now enjoying a relativley high sallary but she had to work very very hard to get this stage, so if someone is to assume she is with me for money, or to be assumed to be an ex bar girl is the ultimate insult to her.

So to summerise I persnally would not claim my wife to be anymore than she actually is, a hard working, well educated MIDDLE class Thai lady, nothing more nothing less.

But I realise that as long as many farangs are subjected to the stigma of people assuming their g/f / wives are poor uneducated bar girls or prostitutes, when they actually not, then there will be those that feel the need to embellish the status of their ladies.

Thailand, just like any other country has a broad mixture of women, low class, middle class and of course high class (hi-so).

Obviously the low class ones are easier to get for obvious reasons (maybe why so many farangs end up with these types)

the middle and high class ones are going to take more effort on the mans part to "get the girl" so to speak" (not money, for the genuine middle class ones).

So to answer then OP'S questions, there is every type of women available in thailand, that you would expect to find in any other country the world over,

the question is, is the OP willing to put the effort in to get the type he wants.

I hadn't noticed your comments until after I wrote mine. My sentiments exactly.

[Berkshire]

the term hi so used on this board is simply a misnomer. the fact remains that the vast majority of foreigners in thailand don't even get close to any true thai "hi-so".

you must either be very wealthy yourself, or have a connection through business, or have attended school with them abroad or all of the above to have an in.

the true high so moves in very rarefied air.

Foreigners as well as "lo-so" Thais do not even get close to any true Thai "hi-so".

As said: The true Thai "hi-so" moves in very rarefied air.

They live in a world of their own.

Very protected and rarely mingle with commoners

They're being escorted to exclusive expensive international nurseries/kindergartens by their drivers/nannies/body guards and mingle with children of the same status.

That will continue though out their lives in everything they do and anywhere they go.

I would imagine Thai hi so's would live in a very similar fashion to farang hi so's in the west. They're out there, but we never see them!

[mortenaa]

'Hi so' Thai would not be interested in any farang, let alone date one, big loss of face, i wold imagine it would be like an immigrant dating an upper class socialite here in the uk. The nearest i got was filling their champagne flutes at Henley Regatta,

Lol. Really? What about those who spent years abroad with "farangs". Do you think they care about loss of face?

[Berkshire]

'Hi so' Thai would not be interested in any farang, let alone date one, big loss of face, i wold imagine it would be like an immigrant dating an upper class socialite here in the uk. The nearest i got was filling their champagne flutes at Henley Regatta,

Lol. Really? What about those who spent years abroad with "farangs". Do you think they care about loss of face?

Just because a Thai woman was educated overseas does not automatically make her a hi so. In fact, most are not.

[Alwyn]

your wife's an accountant? Are you telling fibs... Just joshing!! There's all sorts of normal girls (not BG nor hi-so, now woman anywhere is nor mal). If you take a BG as your partner you take the risks, some are good some are not. Get ramped up with a hi-so bint and you're going to be living in a Thai soap opera! Girls work in banks, coffee shops nad these girls are normally shy when it comes to Farang men because just like a lot of people have the opinion thet every Thai girl is a slag/hooker etc a lot of Thai girls believe Farangs ONLY go with the bar girls and we all cheat on our wives (a lot of truth there it has to be said). To take your choice and take the risk! But having said that, exactly the same with Farand women too.

[transam]

Over the years I have met many Thai/farang couples. Most ladies came from poor backgrounds but because of the now farang connection suddenly think become hi-so. .

This is a term I use when pointing it out to Mrs.Trans, a term she understands and always in agreement.

[mortenaa]

'Hi so' Thai would not be interested in any farang, let alone date one, big loss of face, i wold imagine it would be like an immigrant dating an upper class socialite here in the uk. The nearest i got was filling their champagne flutes at Henley Regatta,

Lol. Really? What about those who spent years abroad with "farangs". Do you think they care about loss of face?

Just because a Thai woman was educated overseas does not automatically make her a hi so. In fact, most are not.

Did I say that?

[mortenaa]

Most girls in this country are absolutely no hi-so's. Dont be blended by that new Benz she has. She has down payments that she pays, or someone else is paying. It's a growing middle class in this country. Im in a group of friends where most people have condos, cars etc. Many work in sales in eg multinational companies. None of these friends are hi-so! I hear many Thais misusing the word hi-so, but most of the times its a joke or sarcasm anyway

[Halion]

This subject would suggest that many are being subversively influenced by the culture in this country.

Hi-So is term used to depict status,power,position and wealth and has little to do with with breeding ,character intellect and intelligence.. I could name a host of prominent Hi-So's who are little more than scumbags.

Background is an important issue in life, however, coming from a prestigious background in Thailand bears little reference to the moral or social fortitude of the individual.in this culture.

Just look at the country and culture in general, wealth is king and how you become king is totally irrelevant..

Whether your current companion is a Hi-So or a BG is mute. The difference being that with regard to the Hi-So it was her parents or grand parents who, in one form or another, "screwed" people for money., It is a tangible fact that in this country you do whatever you can to survive and prosper. .Morality is not a consideration, respectability can be purchased and genuine class is not a commodity that can be purchased. It is a behavioral mode that exists in all walks of like rich or poor.

[atyclb]

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Many truisms. i cant believe anyone would go to the trouble of creating such a chart LOL

[GOLDBUGGY]

the term hi so used on this board is simply a misnomer. the fact remains that the vast majority of foreigners in thailand don't even get close to any true thai "hi-so".

you must either be very wealthy yourself, or have a connection through business, or have attended school with them abroad or all of the above to have an in.

the true high so moves in very rarefied air.

The vast majority of Lower Class Thais don't ever get close to any "hi-so" either. So what you are really saying is that Rich Thai Women are no different than any other Rich Woman in the World. Unless you want to tell us how many rich ones were chasing after you in your country.

Come On! Just look at Tiger Woods! Did you ever see his wife (X-wife now)? Do you believe for one second that if he worked in a Car Wash, instead of being a Rich Professional Golfer, and walked into a Bar, he could pick that woman up? Then later marry her? Or any woman like that? Not on Your Life!

Money makes the World go around! For both Men & Women!

This is a silly subject to even start because everyone knows that!

[orosee]

Strange discussion when the real questions are:

- Why are Thai women in their 30's and 40's still referred to as 'girls' here?

- At what stage does one start referring to one's Thai 'girl' as 'my Thai lady'?

As far as the hi-so debate goes, these people ought to be either from vastly wealthy families or at least be a cousin's cousin's cousin's cousin of ancient royalty. Not that many of the former but boatloads of the latter in Thailand.

[wym]

Many truisms. i cant believe anyone would go to the trouble of creating such a chart LOL

Chart?

Strange discussion when the real questions are:

- Why are Thai women in their 30's and 40's still referred to as 'girls' here?

- At what stage does one start referring to one's Thai 'girl' as 'my Thai lady'?

Long before 30 I can tell you.

And that's no lady that's my wife 8-)

[oogster8]

the term hi so used on this board is simply a misnomer. the fact remains that the vast majority of foreigners in thailand don't even get close to any true thai "hi-so".

you must either be very wealthy yourself, or have a connection through business, or have attended school with them abroad or all of the above to have an in.

the true high so moves in very rarefied air.

Come On! Just look at Tiger Woods! Did you ever see his wife (X-wife now)? Do you believe for one second that if he worked in a Car Wash, instead of being a Rich Professional Golfer, and walked into a Bar, he could pick that woman up? Then later marry her? Or any woman like that? Not on Your Life!

Money makes the World go around! For both Men & Women!

This is a silly subject to even start because everyone knows that!

What i se when i see TIGER is i see one ugly guy!

I really do think guys think one can buy love in esan! This needs to be analyzed more..............lol.

[HooHaa]

Whether your current companion is a Hi-So or a BG is mute.

i believe the term you are looking for is "moot".

[TechnikaIII]

Very few women in this country, in fact any culture where it falls upon the children to take care of the parents in old age, have the luxury of freedom to move, and independant thought. They are born with a burden unimaginable to the majority of Westerners. I do not believe you have the authority to catagorize Thai women as you seem to feel the need to.

[umbanda]

Here are my observations and experiences living in Thailand for more than 25 years.

Thai lady’s occupations and their dating practices:

Thai ladies have different needs depending on their background, education or work ethic and date accordingly. Some ladies live alone, some live with their children and others live with family or friends. How they live is a big factor on who they date and what they are looking for in a mate. In this chapter I will try to explain the differences in the types of Thai ladies looking to marry western men and the type of guy they are looking for.

Career Oriented Women

The career minded Thai lady is well educated and work driven. She either works for a large firm or company where she can advance to the top or owns her own business. Many work in sales for large companies and can make their own time to meet men. They drive nice cars and live in a nice house or apartment. Most have never been married nor have children so they have money to travel and go out. The age range is around 28 years old or older and they dress well and are very attractive.

The Business Thai lady is well educated, bright and studied at the finest universities in Thailand and many studied abroad. Some speak English very well and some do not speak anything but Thai. When they go out for fun they go with their lady friends or colleagues from work. These ladies adore white skin so if you enjoy outdoor activities in the daytime, beach and sun they are not your type. They are from wealthy families and have their position in their work because their family groomed them for the job. They either work in the family business or for a friend of the family. When it comes to a boyfriend or mate they would rather have a wealthy Thai businessman and usually not marry until she is over 35 years old. These are the hardest ladies for a western man to get close to. The western man has to live in Thailand and have high status such as a college professor, CEO of a large company or foreign government official.

My encounter with a Thai lady professional was in 1991 when I was working at Payap University in Chiang Mai as an advisor for the Mass Communications Department. I started in 1989 and the university gave free Thai language and culture classes 3 days a week, which I attended. I had to dress smart and look sharp every day and follow Thai customs and traditions.

On a Saturday I went to a Thai handicraft festival at Chiang Mai Land with a couple of Thai friends when one beautiful well dressed and sexy lady caught my eye. She worked behind a counter selling jewelry so I left my friends and made conversation with her in Thai as she couldn’t speak English. We talked for a couple of hours and I went and bought Thai food for her to eat while she was working. I went back the next day and visited her until they packed up their booth and left back to Bangkok. She was working in the family business with their main jewelry store in Bangkok while her and brother traveled around going to trade shows.

To make a long story short we saw each other almost every weekend for months. When she traveled to North Thailand I would go with them to the trade shows all over the north then I got invited to her home in Bangkok. Her home was very large with 2 Mercedes in the driveway. They put me up in their spare bedroom and her family and I ate together, they told me about their business and we talked all weekend.

The next weekend she visited me at my home in Chiang Mai driving all night to meet me in the morning. We had breakfast then she made Love to me. We were intimate all weekend long, whereas before I couldn’t even touch her, then she dropped the bomb. She said “My father wants us to marry but you have to move to Bangkok and work in the family business exporting our jewelry”. I told her I would think about. I never heard from her or could talk with her again.

I did run into her 2 years later in a shopping mall in Chiang Mai. I asked her why I couldn’t talk with her after that day. She said her father says if I didn’t go right away to work with the family and marry her I never would. She was now married to a Thai man and had an 8 month old baby. Lesson learned.

Government Worker

Thai ladies who work in Government service such as teachers, nurses, government offices again are well educated. They are very dedicated to their job and have very little time for dating or going out. On weekends and holidays they have to work with children, prepare for festivals, giving vaccinations in small villages. They also have to cater to high government officials, members of parliament and Royal Family visits.

Most do not speak English unless they teach the language. Many are not married nor have children as they have little time to meet men. Many go online to meet western men on social web sites. They do not drink and are very obedient when it comes to Thai and Buddhist traditions and customs. They are family oriented and most live at home with their parents, brothers and sisters and their families.

The government lady worker enjoys the outdoors, camping and outdoor group activities. They are very family oriented and like men that enjoy staying home with children, no drinking or smoking, must know Thai and Buddhist culture and customs and also be willing to live with their family. These ladies are probably the best wife a man in Thailand could have if you are willing to live by their high moral standards.

I met a school teacher at a temple in far North Thailand where I was teaching English in 1994. She lived in Bangkok and we visited each other many times in both Chiang Mai and Bangkok. I stayed with her family of 11 persons in 1 large home when I went to Bangkok. Most of the time while visiting her on weekends I went with her to decorate temples, help her decorate floats for parades and went on scout trips with her and her students. We married in 1995 and before we married I asked if she would move to Chiang Mai within 1year after being married and she said yes. We did marry in Bangkok but divorced 6 years later as after all those years she never came to visit me in Chiang Mai. We agreed to divorce because she did not want to leave her family in Bangkok and I just could not live in a house with 11 people. We are still friends.

I have also dated a government nurse. The problem with a nurse is we never saw each other. Her working 14 hour days and weekends is the normal practice with little time for meals together or even talking to each other on the phone.

Service workers

Service workers include are those who work in restaurants, hair salons, hotel worker, tour guide, and retail sales persons. These ladies are probably the easiest nice girls to meet as they are in the public daily. Their ages are from mid 20s to 40. Most have at least 1 child and divorced. They work about 12 hours a day and get 1 day off a week and get a salary plus commission and/or tips. Many speak English but some do not. I talk about meeting and dating a service worker later in the book.

In 2002 I met a Thai lady who worked at a seafood restaurant in Phuket. I visited Phuket several time over the next year although I live in Chiang Mai. I visited her at the restaurant every day I was there. I made sure I went during slow business hours so we could talk. One day when I went to Phuket and the restaurant the staff told me she went back home to Udorn Thani. They were nice enough to give me her phone number, which the girl I went to visit requested them to do.

I called her and she asked if I would go visit her family there in Udorn and I said I would. I took a flight the next day and checked into a hotel then called her. She was very excited that I went to see her and then she invited me to her home. I had dinner that evening at their home and invited her, her sister and mother to come visit me in Chiang Mai. The next day the four of us flew to Chiang Mai where I put them up in a hotel at the night bazaar, showed them my home and around the area for 3 days.

Two weeks later I return to Udorn and asked if their daughter to come to live with me and Chiang Mai and they said OK. 2 days later she moved in with me and we stayed together for 6 years. I sent her to school to learn English and she work with me in my bakery and my tour company. Her English and business skills were great after all these years together.

One night she asked me if she could live alone as she always had someone to take care of her and had an idea to start her own business. I said that was up to her and that I Loved her and not to be a stranger. She now has her own dress and shoe shop in Pattaya and doing an excellent business. She works very hard and says she doesn’t need a man any more (now 43 years old) but we do get together at times and are very good friends.

Hill Tribe Girls

Many hill tribe ladies work in restaurants. Hill Tribe Ladies make very nice wives if this is what you are looking for but not as a girlfriend. They want to get married quickly and you will not be able to have contact with any other ladies or hang out with previous friends. Going to a pub or bar is out of the question and drinking is allowed during their festivals when the whole village drinks homemade whiskey. They are very strict and bossy with little or no patience. Everything has to be their way or no way. Also you will have to live in her village and build a nice house for her family.

I dated a Lisu Hill tribe girl but very briefly. She worked at a noodle restaurant and was very sweet when we were together dating in the city. When I visited her home and family for 2 days with a Thai male friend (we stayed at bungalows near the village) and when one of my female tour guides called me she was very angry saying I could not talk to girls. The next day my female tour manager called me and the Lisu girl went ballistic asking why I am talking to so many girls. My Thai friend (one of my tour company drivers) and I tried to explain to her I have to talk to my manager and guides and I was only talking business. She told me to go away and never come back, wow what a shock. Her parents were angry with her and wanted me to stay for dinner but we left thinking am I glad I didn’t get involved with this girl.

Bar Girl and Escort

These ladies should be just for fun and never get serious with. Most are from poor families with very little education and many have children and their husband or boyfriend left them. They have to take care of their family and being a bar girl is the fastest way to make money. Child support here in Thailand is unheard of so the guys can get away with fathering a child then leave for a younger girl with no children. Some girls have a Thai boyfriend or husband they go home to every night and others have many boyfriends that live all around the world and send them money. The western boyfriends will come visit her for a few months a year and she will make sure they guys never meet or know about each other.

Living in Thailand for more than 25 years I have visited my share of bars and pubs. I have many lady friends who are bar girls but never leave the bar with them. I buy them a few drinks for their company and ask questions about their life which is very sad. Many Ladies have children that are handicapped or mentally challenged. Other ladies have been raped by a family member and kicked out of their home to make money for the family. These ladies have serious problems and NOT marrying material.

Thank you for sharing your experience. Even if I live here and single for not more than 3 years, and I never dated a Hilltribe woman or a bar girl, I agree with your description of all others. After dating so many women all around Thailand, for fun, and also looking for the right one to marry, Finally... I got lucky, very lucky....but I know that was not just luck.... I was married 3 times before with Western women, now just good friends, and I am 70 years old retired Brazilian designer, and not wealthy at all. I took my time to learn Thailand...getting prepared to recognize the opportunity to be married again. She wasn't sure she wanted to do it. I insisted, and we got married 2 months after meeting. Best decision in my life.....and I hope for the years I still having to enjoy happiness whit love at my side. ..

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Thank you for sharing your experience. Even if I live here and single for not more than 3 years, and I never dated a Hilltribe woman or a bar girl, I agree with your description of all others. After dating so many women all around Thailand, for fun, and also looking for the right one to marry, Finally... I got lucky, very lucky....but I know that was not just luck.... I was married 3 times before with Western women, now just good friends, and I am 70 years old retired Brazilian designer, and not wealthy at all. I took my time to learn Thailand...getting prepared to recognize the opportunity to be married again. She wasn't sure she wanted to do it. I insisted, and we got married 2 months after meeting. Best decision in my life.....and I hope for the years I still having to enjoy happiness whit love at my side. ..

For the love of BUDDHA.... i pray your girl is not in her 20s or 30s.................lol........and from up north.

Although from a northern girls point of view a 70 year old brazilian non wealthy fella would be considered quite a good catch.

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Thank you for sharing your experience. Even if I live here and single for not more than 3 years, and I never dated a Hilltribe woman or a bar girl, I agree with your description of all others. After dating so many women all around Thailand, for fun, and also looking for the right one to marry, Finally... I got lucky, very lucky....but I know that was not just luck.... I was married 3 times before with Western women, now just good friends, and I am 70 years old retired Brazilian designer, and not wealthy at all. I took my time to learn Thailand...getting prepared to recognize the opportunity to be married again. She wasn't sure she wanted to do it. I insisted, and we got married 2 months after meeting. Best decision in my life.....and I hope for the years I still having to enjoy happiness whit love at my side. ..

For the love of BUDDHA.... i pray your girl is not in her 20s or 30s.................lol........and from up north.

Although from a northern girls point of view a 70 year old brazilian non wealthy fella would be considered quite a good catch.

Whats wrong with ''up north'' Thai women then ?