Protesters unfazed by Chalerm's vow to reclaim sites

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Protesters unfazed by Chalerm's vow to reclaim sites
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- THE PEOPLE'S Democratic Reform Committee says it has no plans to disperse from any of its protest sites around Bangkok.

If the Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order (CMPO) tried to clear and reclaim a rally site, protesters from other sites would be mobilised to defend it, PDRC secretary-general Suthep Thaugsuban said yesterday.

He was speaking after chairing a meeting with core leaders of the protest groups. Calling for people to join the protest, he insisted they had to come without weapons. "If any of you cannot do that, please stay home," he said.

CMPO representatives yesterday held talks with some PDRC leaders at the Chaeng Wattana rally site, following the centre's plan to reclaim rally sites under the emergency decree.

At a separate event yesterday, the CMPO director, caretaker Labour Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung, said he would have the rally sites reclaimed from the protesters within 72 hours.

Chalerm said the protesters would be arrested if they refused to stop blocking government offices.

"I'll deploy assault units, which will be set up today, to arrest all of them for violating the emergency decree and for illegal intrusion into government offices," Chalerm said.

He said the CMPO would not yet seek help from the armed forces to launch the crackdowns.

He said people who were besieging government offices should leave and return to the rally sites.

"Action will be taken against only those who are blocking the work of government officials, not against other demonstrators," Chalerm said.

He said the action would be taken by the CMPO and would have nothing to do with the prime minister, adding "I'll take responsibility myself."

In response, Suthep said the CMPO had been set up illegitimately and must be dissolved by today(Tuesday). Otherwise, the PDRC protesters would go and close the CMPO office themselves, he said.

Meanwhile, the CMPO, government representatives, police and military officials have held talks with PDRC core member Luang Pu Buddha Issara at Chaeng Wattana Road about reclaiming Government Complex offices there.

The officials included Metropolitan Police Bureau deputy chief Pol Maj-General Adul Narongsak; Thongchai Chasawath, the director-general of the Department of Consular Affairs; Justice Ministry deputy permanent secretary Thawatchai Thaikeaw; and officials from the Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment.

Luang Pu Buddha Issara offered three proposals in reply to requests the Government Complex should be allowed to return to work.

He said reopening of the offices should not affect the protest site, protesters should retain the right to rally peacefully, and strangers should be kept out of the rally site.

Adul said he would consider the requests and will talk with Luang Pu Buddha Issara again.

Earlier, Luang Pu Buddha Issara told CMPO spokesperson Sunisa Lertpakawat to leave the meeting because she represented the government.

Protesters at Pathumwan said they had not heard the CMPO was trying to disperse them and reclaim the site.

Thanyaporn Watcharapruek said she didn't fear the government trying to reclaim the rally site and believed there would be no violence.

Niran Sriarmorn said if the CMPO did try to disperse and reclaim the site with force, he believed the number of protesters would increase there.

Sumetta Tingnga, a merchant at the site, said she hadn't heard that the CMPO might try to reclaim the area, but she doubted it would become a violent situation.


-- The Nation 2014-01-28

[bangkokheat]

its not that i am fond of the peau thai but i would love to see the arrogant <deleted> of these protesters kicked

[NongKhaiKid]

Ignore Chalerm at your peril.

Yes he's a drunken loud mouth but that makes him even more dangerous and he's not noted for his tolerance and diplomacy.

[ramrod711]

He said the CMPO would not yet seek help from the armed forces to launch the crackdowns.

Because help would not be offered, i assume. The army has been very clear, they are not getting involved in armed conflict with Thai people. Let Chalerm and his Thaksin loving, thug police handle it themselves.

[h90]

its not that i am fond of the peau thai but i would love to see the arrogant <deleted> of these protesters kicked

Politically you can agree or disagree with the protesters, but a fact is that these are protesting because they believe to do something good.

Elderly people who would feel better at home stay there day and night to improve everyone life (no matter if it is true or not, they do believe it) and would like to see violence???

[h90]

Ignore Chalerm at your peril.

Yes he's a drunken loud mouth but that makes him even more dangerous and he's not noted for his tolerance and diplomacy.

But I guess/hope that he can command what he want. Part of the police will find some excuse why not to follow his orders (sick leave, car not working, etc...we had that in the past).

The Army will deploy troops to prevent violence...which means the police won't risk a conflict with the army...and do nothing.

What remains is Chalerm ranting harmless and take some more ear medicine.

[MGP]

its not that i am fond of the peau thai but i would love to see the arrogant <deleted> of these protesters kicked

Politically you can agree or disagree with the protesters, but a fact is that these are protesting because they believe to do something good.

Elderly people who would feel better at home stay there day and night to improve everyone life (no matter if it is true or not, they do believe it) and would like to see violence???

Thank You h90. Not to mention our relatives, friends, and coworkers that are also protesting out there.

It is very disheartening to read comments like that, hungry for violence against our loved ones.

What kind of forum is Thai Visa becoming?

Edited January 28, 2014 by MGP

[newcomer71]

Violence is always wrong. Have also to note that protesters went on the wrong side automatically when they prevent people to cast their vote on Sunday.

They can protest as they want, but without violence, and without preventing a fundamental right of all the people: the right to vote.

[MGP]

Using the word "but" again? I will repeat what I said In a similar thread: “But” is one of the most miserable words in the vocabulary. I don't like violence, but… No one should be killed, but… I love you, but…

I am deeply disheartened to see so many people attempting to reason with the "logic" of the causes for killing a person (in another threads).

Khun Suthin's daughter doesn't know yet that father has died, periodically asks for him.

Heart breaking

Edited January 28, 2014 by MGP

[JoeThePoster]

Ignore Chalerm at your peril.

Yes he's a drunken loud mouth but that makes him even more dangerous and he's not noted for his tolerance and diplomacy.

Especially his tolerance of liquor.

[rkidlad]

Protesters and human beings alike unfazed by Chalerm's vow to do anything.

Chalerm epitomises all that is wrong in Thai society.

[Pib]

...Chalerm's vow to reclaim sites.

Visions of a soi barking dog come to mind.

[newcomer71]

...Chalerm's vow to reclaim sites.

Visions of a soi barking dog come to mind.

I see the image a little different... like this:

Who's who?

[NCFC]

Using the word "but" again? I will repeat what I said In a similar thread: “But” is one of the most miserable words in the vocabulary. I don't like violence, but… No one should be killed, but… I love you, but…

I am deeply disheartened to see so many people attempting to reason with the "logic" of the causes for killing a person (in another threads).

Khun Suthin's daughter doesn't know yet that father has died, periodically asks for him.

Heart breaking

Shall I upload pictures of the weapons found in the back of the truck he was on? Some father, indeed.

[tingtongteesood]

He said the action would be taken by the CMPO and would have nothing to do with the prime minister, adding "I'll take responsibility myself."

Nooooo it doesn't work that way. Poo is PM and whatever you do is ultimately her responsibility. She already has 10 deaths on her charge sheet ( If Abhisit and Suteb are murderers then so is she - no hypocrisy please ) and any more deaths will be added to the list for her later court summons to answer for her many poor choices.

[Gweiloman]

I think the Govt's policy of non-violent confrontation has won it a lot of admiration from the silent majority and international community. However, there comes a time when enough is enough and I fear that we are reaching this point very soon. The Govt would be justified to retake the protest sites with force if necessary but I sincerely hope it won't come to that.

Now is the time for the Thai people to put their Buddhist beliefs into action and seek for a peaceful resolution so that the country can continue to go forward.

[MGP]

Shall I upload pictures of the weapons found in the back of the truck he was on? Some father, indeed.

On and on again...

Perhaps it is my fault that my point has not been understood at all. English is not by first language. I'm sorry, I can't do better than that.

Edited January 28, 2014 by MGP

[siampolee]

Now either Chalerm is a pawn in the Thaksin game and he will returned to the pawnbroker when his usefulness is finished or perhaps he )Chalerm) is malformed.

Perhaps he has three of these instead of two.

[gemini81]

No one takes him seriously. A bark with no bite. A clown by definition.

[Artisi]

Chalerm is a piss-head, he shouts and jumps up and down but at the end of the day if he gives the order to clear the sites at any cost will the police be stupid enough to use undue force, and more importantly will the military stand by and let it happen. Seem Chalerm is already on notice from the military, gently gently no undue force against Thai citizens. And of course any deaths emanating from such an operation will be on YL's account, she is the head, she appointed Chalerm to fix the problem , the buck stops with her - even if she thinks / wants to believe it's not her problem - it's HER baby and no one elses.

[Pib]

Chalerm is a piss-head, he shouts and jumps up and down but at the end of the day if he gives the order to clear the sites at any cost will the police be stupid enough to use undue force, and more importantly will the military stand by and let it happen. Seem Chalerm is already on notice from the military, gently gently no undue force against Thai citizens. And of course any deaths emanating from such an operation will be on YL's account, she is the head, she appointed Chalerm to fix the problem , the buck stops with her - even if she thinks / wants to believe it's not her problem - it's HER baby and no one elses.

Yinluck accept responsibility!? Surely you confuse her with someone else.

[Artisi]

Now either Chalerm is a pawn in the Thaksin game and he will returned to the pawnbroker when his usefulness is finished or perhaps he )Chalerm) is malformed.

Perhaps he has three of these instead of two.

The answer is none, unless of course he has his sharp shooting sons with him to hold you down, you are not armed, or bigger, or likely to overpower them - then and only then does he have big balls.

[lostinsurin]

Shall I upload pictures of the weapons found in the back of the truck he was on? Some father, indeed.

On and on again...

Perhaps it is my fault that my point has not been understood at all. English is not by first language. I'm sorry, I can't do better than that.

Please stop trying for the sympathy vote, poor misunderstod little me crap.

make your point without hiding behind language deficiencies.

[Artisi]

Chalerm is a piss-head, he shouts and jumps up and down but at the end of the day if he gives the order to clear the sites at any cost will the police be stupid enough to use undue force, and more importantly will the military stand by and let it happen. Seem Chalerm is already on notice from the military, gently gently no undue force against Thai citizens. And of course any deaths emanating from such an operation will be on YL's account, she is the head, she appointed Chalerm to fix the problem , the buck stops with her - even if she thinks / wants to believe it's not her problem - it's HER baby and no one elses.

Yinluck accept responsibility!? Surely you confuse her with someone else.

Sorry, I must have. For awhile there I thought she was the interim PM and in charge.

However, if it does go pear-shaped she won't have any authority to duck responsibility and even the camel trader won't be able to help.

[northernjohn]

Ignore Chalerm at your peril.

Yes he's a drunken loud mouth but that makes him even more dangerous and he's not noted for his tolerance and diplomacy.

He is noted for solving all of Thailand's problems in 90 days. Well any way in his mind he has.

It is amazing the things one can accomplish in an alcoholic state of mind. Of course in the mornings you need to restore the mental clarity with more ear medicine so you can once again be the champion of Democracy. In the state's many of the companies give drug tests. I wonder how he would make out with that here if the Thai government was to institute it.

I often wonder what he has against Thaksin that they allow him to stay around and occasionally throw him a bone that is to big for him.

He must have some thing big holding it against Thaksin.

[MGP]

Shall I upload pictures of the weapons found in the back of the truck he was on? Some father, indeed.

On and on again...

Perhaps it is my fault that my point has not been understood at all. English is not by first language. I'm sorry, I can't do better than that.

Please stop trying for the sympathy vote, poor misunderstod little me crap.

make your point without hiding behind language deficiencies.

I will try with again, but perhaps the deficiency is not in my language but in your understanding.

- First I said that I have relatives, friends, and coworkers that are protesting out there, and It is very disheartening to read comments that are hungry for violence against our loved ones.

How can I rephrase that to suit your taste? I really don't know. I am sorry.

- Secondly, I said: "Using the word "but" again? “But” is one of the most miserable words in the vocabulary. I don't like violence, but… No one should be killed, but… I love you, but…

I am deeply disheartened to see so many people attempting to reason with the "logic" of the causes for killing a person"

With that, I am just trying to say that I can not understand any kind of excuse for violence.

Is that correctly expressed, or does it require further clarifications?

Edited January 28, 2014 by MGP

[northernjohn]

Chalerm is a piss-head, he shouts and jumps up and down but at the end of the day if he gives the order to clear the sites at any cost will the police be stupid enough to use undue force, and more importantly will the military stand by and let it happen. Seem Chalerm is already on notice from the military, gently gently no undue force against Thai citizens. And of course any deaths emanating from such an operation will be on YL's account, she is the head, she appointed Chalerm to fix the problem , the buck stops with her - even if she thinks / wants to believe it's not her problem - it's HER baby and no one elses.

Yinluck accept responsibility!? Surely you confuse her with someone else.

Well you have to admit that according to the precedent she has set with charging Abhist and Suthep she is admitting guilt.

The problem is as we all know she is not the brightest bulb in the box she doesn't see it that way.

She has been brain washed into thinking if it is Thaksin's will it is OK nothing wrong with it. It is all legal and above board.

[Artisi]

Shall I upload pictures of the weapons found in the back of the truck he was on? Some father, indeed.

On and on again...

Perhaps it is my fault that my point has not been understood at all. English is not by first language. I'm sorry, I can't do better than that.

Please stop trying for the sympathy vote, poor misunderstod little me crap.

make your point without hiding behind language deficiencies.

I will try with again, but perhaps the deficiency is not in my language but in your understanding.

- First I said that I have relatives, friends, and coworkers that are protesting out there, and It is very disheartening to read comments that are hungry for violence against our loved ones.

How can I rephrase that to suit your taste? I really don't know. I am sorry.

- Secondly, I said: "Using the word "but" again? “But” is one of the most miserable words in the vocabulary. I don't like violence, but… No one should be killed, but… I love you, but…

I am deeply disheartened to see so many people attempting to reason with the "logic" of the causes for killing a person"

With that, I am just trying to say that I can not understand any kind of excuse for violence.

Is that correctly expressed, or does it require further clarifications?

Don't worry too much, some people get their jollies out of being pedantic and difficult.

[northernjohn]

Shall I upload pictures of the weapons found in the back of the truck he was on? Some father, indeed.

On and on again...

Perhaps it is my fault that my point has not been understood at all. English is not by first language. I'm sorry, I can't do better than that.

Please stop trying for the sympathy vote, poor misunderstod little me crap.

make your point without hiding behind language deficiencies.

I will try with again, but perhaps the deficiency is not in my language but in your understanding.

- First I said that I have relatives, friends, and coworkers that are protesting out there, and It is very disheartening to read comments that are hungry for violence against our loved ones.

How can I rephrase that to suit your taste? I really don't know. I am sorry.

- Secondly, I said: "Using the word "but" again? “But” is one of the most miserable words in the vocabulary. I don't like violence, but… No one should be killed, but… I love you, but…

I am deeply disheartened to see so many people attempting to reason with the "logic" of the causes for killing a person"

With that, I am just trying to say that I can not understand any kind of excuse for violence.

Is that correctly expressed, or does it require further clarifications?

The reality of the situation is that immediately following the word but comes self justification 90% of the time people use it to just get as away to ignore reality. They are not interested in the reality of what is happening.

Edited January 28, 2014 by northernjohn

[NoshowJones]

Violence is always wrong. Have also to note that protesters went on the wrong side automatically when they prevent people to cast their vote on Sunday.

They can protest as they want, but without violence, and without preventing a fundamental right of all the people: the right to vote.

What an excellent post.