All Bangkok's 50 election directors resign

[anon7867763]

I'm really bored by this thai soap opera, the ending is obvious..Taksin's demise, the Shins back to China, multiple new political factions, thai democracy moves on, can someone just fast forward this...

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Oh boy are you in for a surprise! Too bad betting is illegal in Thailand or I'd ask you to put a bet on it.

I have that bet with my wife, she too thinks Taksin is a clever man, will somehow defy gravity etc... Problem with serial gamblers is that they just don,t know when to stop. Apply some logic to the situation, look at the high level players involved, the fact that the lawful gov cannot govern because every institution in the country is refusing to co-operate, the police, miltary, courts, civil service, banks, all working to the highest possible level of direction, what alternative outcome is there?

An interesting observation although not all the civil servants and banks are co-operating to the full and of course then there's the courts , anyway one thing for sure , this (sadly) looks like it's going to go the full distance

[anon7867763]

Given the fact that many posters on this and other threads have mentioned the fact that Suthep and his crowd are anti-foreigner, I find it amazing that so many seem to want the man to get what he's aiming for.

I sincerely hope that, as we're all exiting the kingdom without our money, homes, possessions, valuables, dogs, hopes, dreams and even families, you remember to thank him for giving you the opportunity to return to your beloved home countries where you can live in style and continue failing to understand the reality of life.

If I meet any of you on the way out - watch out!

Please can you give us an example of Suthep's 'I don't like foreigners' quotes , I haven't heard any. Critising foreign press coverage or some foreign governments stance does not mean that he dislikes all foreigners.He's maybe many things but I haven't heard him say anything racist towards foreigners , please can you confirm with evidence ,speculation from posters on thai visa is not enough for me.

What he actually said was he didn't RESPECT foreigners. But the Shinawatras just love to purposely misquote him and make him sound anti foreign. There's a huge difference between not respecting someone and not liking him.

I guess It was probably meant in a political sense and he meant that he didn't respect outside interference in Thai affairs, after all he went to University in Tenesee and I would find it hard to beleive that he dislikes or can not have any respect for any 'foreigner' anyway , time will tell , more speeches and rhetoric to come...

[TVGerry]

I dare say the reds may indeed come to town.

And this time it won't be with slingshots

It wasn't with slingshots last time, either.

But I can understand your fears and apprehensions.

Given their proclivity for unparalleled extreme violence coupled with an unequaled arsenal of war weapons, the populace would be justifiably concerned about the worse of the worse re-entering the fray.

The madman Suthep has been fomenting violence 24/7 for a month now, advocating insurrection and the cancelling of the election and of democracy in Thailand, but has little to show for it. Suthep's violence of the past Sunday's early voting only alerted the Thai and global media to be at Thailand polling stations for the election that is now finalized and set for the coming Sunday.

There unfortunately and terribly have been some deaths and a number of persons injured, but nothing approaching the kind of violence Suthep and his backers need to overthrow the government.

More over, Suthep's plan to provoke a military mutiny coup d'état have failed with the prospects of a coup getting dimmer by the day. As the election Sunday approaches the vast and moderate Thai political middle have one eye on Suthep's fascist mobsters and the other eye on the judiciary for after the election.

Suthep and his backers are pretty well boxed in at this point, so which side is more likely to resort to organized and large scale violence? Suthep and his backers need violence, they can't handle peace and order because peace and order means their insurrection fails as well it should and will.

You talk about Suthep needing to resort to violence while the protests have been relatively peaceful from day one, except for a few unfortunate incidents. You also seem to ignore the fact that it is the protestors that have been shot at and bombed on a daily basis and have had one of their leaders shot dead in cold blood. Even after all the provocation, they've largely kept their cool. If there's going to be any violence, the government will be the one initiating it. Let's see how many more protestors will be shot and how many will die when Chalerm sends in his 'special teams'.

[oldthaihand99]

I'm really bored by this thai soap opera, the ending is obvious..Taksin's demise, the Shins back to China, multiple new political factions, thai democracy moves on, can someone just fast forward this...

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Oh boy are you in for a surprise! Too bad betting is illegal in Thailand or I'd ask you to put a bet on it.

I have that bet with my wife, she too thinks Taksin is a clever man, will somehow defy gravity etc... Problem with serial gamblers is that they just don,t know when to stop. Apply some logic to the situation, look at the high level players involved, the fact that the lawful gov cannot govern because every institution in the country is refusing to co-operate, the police, miltary, courts, civil service, banks, all working to the highest possible level of direction, what alternative outcome is there?

They can't govern because they voluntarily gave it up, as in closing parliament & calling an election. Yet they are still governing as the caretaker government.

In spite of all that you mention, they still have the supreme power & trump card; the real "people's power". Not the make believe imaginary Suthep kind.

[Thaddeus]

Not unexpected at all, and apparently, the only way that they could possibly make the lady see sense.

What is now required is for her to make a public appearance announcing that the election is off, she and her caretaker government are stepping down, Suthep can therefore call off the street protests, and the business of carrying out necessary reforms can get under way.

She must also make it very clear to the Red Shirt extremists that their cause is over, and they should return to their homes; furthermore, anyone caught involved in any acts of shootings or bombing in response to the resignation of the government should be made to face the full extent of the law.

And if the caretaker govt steps down, who will govern? And do you think that there won't be further protests?

If the REDs were to take to the streets, I would then believe in claims of millions marching.

You seriously believe that they still command that much support...? The PTP are now broke (in an organisational sense of course, not in terms of personal wealth), so they have nothing to offer the up-country rent-a-crowd, and it's doubtful that KhunT is going to throw any more money into this, after his failed attempt at dictatorship.

WHEN the caretaker government steps down, there will likely be formal agreement amongst the more sensible senior academics, lawyers, civil servants and grass-roots volunteers to create a forum for discussion on the way forward. That, at this stage, would be nothing less than a major breakthrough. I would also like to think that RTP could become involved in enforcing law and order during this period, but that would have to be some years down the line after a complete shake-up.

Given time, these committed people can seek to dismantle the apparatus that has kept the Shin clan in the trough for far too long, and ban all those - from all parties - who have no place in politics due to prior convictions, ongoing bail, breach of bail conditions, and flight from justice.

That should pretty much provide a clean slate from which to start rebuilding the shattered society and economy of Thailand...!!

With your reference to rent-a-crowd, you have shown your bias. It is beneath me to comment on your post.

Is your objection based on the difference between a 'rent a crowd' and a 'rent an armed mob' the second term being the one that George should have used.

The only things beneath you are your feet.

[smedly]

They all came to the same conclusion that they need to resign... amazing Thailand...

The DSI threatened them a few days ago - what did you expect

Plus the inaction of police while people are being gunned down at voting stations

I think they just decided enough was enough - I suspect more will follow

can anyone honestly blame them, I'd have done the same thing, why should these people expose themselves to anything - they have families and responsibilities they don't need to be caught in the middle of this crap - I think many more will do the same - that is up to them and those that are critical then go and try doing their job at this time

They have the freedom of choice and as soon as the DSI made threats I'm afraid <deleted> was the correct response

[tsnyder]

I dare say the reds may indeed come to town.

And this time it won't be with slingshots

It wasn't with slingshots last time, either.

But I can understand your fears and apprehensions.

Given their proclivity for unparalleled extreme violence coupled with an unequaled arsenal of war weapons, the populace would be justifiably concerned about the worse of the worse re-entering the fray.

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In Thailand, just like the USA, the people have the right to take up arms to defend their constitutional right to vote. Take away that right and suffer the consequences.

Thanks for the National Rifle Association commercial, but Thailand is NOT just like the USA.

There is no constitutional right to take up arms here.

[Bkkbound]

I'm really bored by this thai soap opera, the ending is obvious..Taksin's demise, the Shins back to China, multiple new political factions, thai democracy moves on, can someone just fast forward this...

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Oh boy are you in for a surprise! Too bad betting is illegal in Thailand or I'd ask you to put a bet on it.

I have that bet with my wife, she too thinks Taksin is a clever man, will somehow defy gravity etc... Problem with serial gamblers is that they just don,t know when to stop. Apply some logic to the situation, look at the high level players involved, the fact that the lawful gov cannot govern because every institution in the country is refusing to co-operate, the police, miltary, courts, civil service, banks, all working to the highest possible level of direction, what alternative outcome is there?

They can't govern because they voluntarily gave it up, as in closing parliament & calling an election. Yet they are still governing as the caretaker government.

In spite of all that you mention, they still have the supreme power & trump card; the real "people's power". Not the make believe imaginary Suthep kind.

I don't understand why people still have not grasped that Suthep is just a front man, protected by the highest authority, so, face up to the reality of the supreme power in Thailand, it will not come from the decreasing number of taksin supporters. Why can't PT find a leader that actually delivers what people want ? Taksins agenda has always been flawed.

[Thai at Heart]

Given the fact that many posters on this and other threads have mentioned the fact that Suthep and his crowd are anti-foreigner, I find it amazing that so many seem to want the man to get what he's aiming for.

I sincerely hope that, as we're all exiting the kingdom without our money, homes, possessions, valuables, dogs, hopes, dreams and even families, you remember to thank him for giving you the opportunity to return to your beloved home countries where you can live in style and continue failing to understand the reality of life.

If I meet any of you on the way out - watch out!

Please can you give us an example of Suthep's 'I don't like foreigners' quotes , I haven't heard any. Critising foreign press coverage or some foreign governments stance does not mean that he dislikes all foreigners.He's maybe many things but I haven't heard him say anything racist towards foreigners , please can you confirm with evidence ,speculation from posters on thai visa is not enough for me.

What he actually said was he didn't RESPECT foreigners. But the Shinawatras just love to purposely misquote him and make him sound anti foreign. There's a huge difference between not respecting someone and not liking him.

Wasnt it to do with the fact he didn't respect foreigners to monitor elections.

Maybe that was a typo.

He just doesn't respect elections. So maybe he's not a racist after all.

[Skywalker69]

Lets take a name check on these 50 persons and keep track of where they end up, it is only a matter of time before the Democrats are back in power and no doubt these names will reappear in various 'positions'then.

This is why they resigned, I think you would have done the same.

The Department of Special Investigation has threatened to take legal actions election officials for their alleged partially and deliberate failure to stage advance voting in several polling units.

Edited January 28, 2014 by Skywalker69

[tsnyder]

Academia, judges, Supreme Court and EC are all members of the amart

the hundred thousand or so of the amart in Bangkok

the amart democrats

Fascinating statements.

I've read here previously that there were only a few families that comprised the amart, certainly not 100,000.

Seems a lot less elite when there's that many.

Are all of those people in those job positions amart? If they aren't, how can you tell the amart academic and non-amart academic apart, for example?

Are the amart only in Bangkok or do they exist in other cities, also?

Are there no amart in any other political parties?

[tsnyder]

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Here's just one courageous voter who was prevented from voting. Now imagine 15 million of them and you'll get the picture.

I'd be in favor 15 million topless women like the one on the right.

[Thai at Heart]

Academia, judges, Supreme Court and EC are all members of the amart

the hundred thousand or so of the amart in Bangkok

the amart democrats

Fascinating statements.

I've read here previously that there were only a few families that comprised the amart, certainly not 100,000.

Seems a lot less elite when there's that many.

Are all of those people in those job positions amart? If they aren't, how can you tell the amart academic and non-amart academic apart, for example?

Are the amart only in Bangkok or do they exist in other cities, also?

Are there no amart in any other political parties?

There are myriad books that catalogue the old money connection and where they are based in thailand.

100k, 50k, who cares. The fact that there is a long standing Thai word for them shows that the thais know who they are.

[oldthaihand99]

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Oh boy are you in for a surprise! Too bad betting is illegal in Thailand or I'd ask you to put a bet on it.

I have that bet with my wife, she too thinks Taksin is a clever man, will somehow defy gravity etc... Problem with serial gamblers is that they just don,t know when to stop. Apply some logic to the situation, look at the high level players involved, the fact that the lawful gov cannot govern because every institution in the country is refusing to co-operate, the police, miltary, courts, civil service, banks, all working to the highest possible level of direction, what alternative outcome is there?

They can't govern because they voluntarily gave it up, as in closing parliament & calling an election. Yet they are still governing as the caretaker government.

In spite of all that you mention, they still have the supreme power & trump card; the real "people's power". Not the make believe imaginary Suthep kind.

I don't understand why people still have not grasped that Suthep is just a front man, protected by the highest authority, so, face up to the reality of the supreme power in Thailand, it will not come from the decreasing number of taksin supporters. Why can't PT find a leader that actually delivers what people want ? Taksins agenda has always been flawed.

What actually do the "people want"? Besides YL & a better sex life.

The "supreme power in Thailand"? Fate, destiny, pre--determinism, what will be will be, or whatever you want to call it.

Monkey see, monkey do, even the more educated kind.

[tsnyder]

I dare say the reds may indeed come to town.

And this time it won't be with slingshots

It wasn't with slingshots last time, either.

But I can understand your fears and apprehensions.

Given their proclivity for unparalleled extreme violence coupled with an unequaled arsenal of war weapons, the populace would be justifiably concerned about the worse of the worse re-entering the fray.

The madman Suthep has been fomenting violence 24/7 for a month now, advocating insurrection and the cancelling of the election and of democracy in Thailand, but has little to show for it.

There unfortunately and terribly have been some deaths and a number of persons injured, but nothing approaching the kind of violence Suthep and his backers need to overthrow the government.

So then, if he mimics the actions of the psychopathic Natthawut and the deranged Jatuporn and uses RPG's, M79 Grenade Launchers, C-4 and other explosives, along with loads of M-16's and Ak-47's, that he could duplicate their success in achieving demands.

[tsnyder]

Academia, judges, Supreme Court and EC are all members of the amart

the hundred thousand or so of the amart in Bangkok

the amart democrats

Fascinating statements.

I've read here previously that there were only a few families that comprised the amart, certainly not 100,000.

Seems a lot less elite when there's that many.

Are all of those people in those job positions amart? If they aren't, how can you tell the amart academic and non-amart academic apart, for example?

Are the amart only in Bangkok or do they exist in other cities, also?

Are there no amart in any other political parties?

There are myriad books that catalogue the old money connection and where they are based in thailand.

100k, 50k, who cares. The fact that there is a long standing Thai word for them shows that the thais know who they are.

So piscio is wrong to say they are only in Bangkok?

, 100k? .I've read other posts here that it was only like a dozen families. The disparity is huge if what piscio is saying is true.

As far as who they are, it's fascinating to read countless posts about them, but no one seems to know who they are when the question is raised.

You say the Thais know they are, but Thais hardly ever mention them.

On the forum, it's the opposite.

Posters mention them incessantly, but no one ever says who they are.

Fascinating and amusing.

Edited January 28, 2014 by tsnyder

[Greer]

As the current government are so sure of their victory in any election, why is it that they don't just say "OK, the people want to delay, so we will delay, as it will not make any difference."... or maybe they are worried as they realise that it probably will make a difference?

[Thai at Heart]

Academia, judges, Supreme Court and EC are all members of the amart

the hundred thousand or so of the amart in Bangkok

the amart democrats

Fascinating statements.

I've read here previously that there were only a few families that comprised the amart, certainly not 100,000.

Seems a lot less elite when there's that many.

Are all of those people in those job positions amart? If they aren't, how can you tell the amart academic and non-amart academic apart, for example?

Are the amart only in Bangkok or do they exist in other cities, also?

Are there no amart in any other political parties?

There are myriad books that catalogue the old money connection and where they are based in thailand.

100k, 50k, who cares. The fact that there is a long standing Thai word for them shows that the thais know who they are.

So piscio is wrong to say they are only in Bangkok?

, 100k? .I've read other posts here that it was only like a dozen families. The disparity is huge if what piscio is saying is true.

As far as who they are, it's fascinating to read countless posts about them, but no one seems to know who they are when the question is raised.

You say the Thais know they are, but Thais hardly ever mention them.

On the forum, it's the opposite.

Posters mention them incessantly, but no one ever says who they are

Fascinating and amusing.

They certainly aren't in isaan or the north. I have a document from a book published in the 50s showing all the big influencers.

Funny thing is, family names are still same today. Would post it here, but it would get me into trouble. There was once a PM from chiangmai. He lasted a week.

The amart saw him off back to the provinces.

[Cricketnut]

As the current government are so sure of their victory in any election, why is it that they don't just say "OK, the people want to delay, so we will delay, as it will not make any difference."... or maybe they are worried as they realise that it probably will make a difference?

If one stacks the numbers and preferences, at this point they will win as the Dems are not in play. Essentially the EC and the anti government Amart know that they can be charged for not holding elections within a decree period. In a way their damned if they do and don't. Catch 22!

Sent from my Brain

[Skywalker69]

Lets take a name check on these 50 persons and keep track of where they end up, it is only a matter of time before the Democrats are back in power and no doubt these names will reappear in various 'positions'then.

Sigh!!!

Why sigh? What Smutcakes said is actually something very easy to do, and just wait, no harm to anyone... I think Smutcakes did not go too much far from reality.

Don't you read the news? Yesterday DIS threating to sue Election Directors.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

[tsnyder]

Fascinating statements.

I've read here previously that there were only a few families that comprised the amart, certainly not 100,000.

Seems a lot less elite when there's that many.

Are all of those people in those job positions amart? If they aren't, how can you tell the amart academic and non-amart academic apart, for example?

Are the amart only in Bangkok or do they exist in other cities, also?

Are there no amart in any other political parties?

There are myriad books that catalogue the old money connection and where they are based in thailand.

100k, 50k, who cares. The fact that there is a long standing Thai word for them shows that the thais know who they are.

So piscio is wrong to say they are only in Bangkok?

, 100k? .I've read other posts here that it was only like a dozen families. The disparity is huge if what piscio is saying is true.

As far as who they are, it's fascinating to read countless posts about them, but no one seems to know who they are when the question is raised.

You say the Thais know they are, but Thais hardly ever mention them.

On the forum, it's the opposite.

Posters mention them incessantly, but no one ever says who they are

Fascinating and amusing.

They certainly aren't in isaan or the north. I have a document from a book published in the 50s showing all the big influencers.

Funny thing is, family names are still same today. Would post it here, but it would get me into trouble. There was once a PM from chiangmai. He lasted a week.

The amart saw him off back to the provinces.

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Why would simply sharing names get you into trouble? If the Thais know who they are, what is wrong about sharing that information with non-Thais? Members keep discussing the amart so the subject matter can't be prohibited for some reason. How can the "what", the "where", and the "when" be acceptable, but not the "who"?

Besides, it would certainly help the posters that keep posting about the amart non-stop, but don't know who they are. It would lend a minuscule amount of credibility to their posts, for which they have none at this point.

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Edited January 28, 2014 by tsnyder

[dude123]

Oh dear. No ones got any balls around here.

On the contrary, they have demonstrated considerable courage, not to mention common sense.

I'm just an outsider looking in, but either way, they are displaying courage to fight for what they beleive is right and lose their jobs over it. You have to admire that. I could never see that happen in a Western country.

[Puccini]

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What is now required is for her to make a public appearance announcing that the election is off, she and her caretaker government are stepping down, Suthep can therefore call off the street protests, and the business of carrying out necessary reforms can get under way.

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Carry out necessary reforms. From the preamble to the 2006 interim constitution that served to install the interim government following the coup that year (highlighting in bold is mine):

The leader of the Council for Democratic Reform successfully staged the coup on September 19 B. E. 2549 and presented a report to His Majesty.

The CDR leader informed His Majesty that he seized power and abolished the constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand with an intention to solve the problems of the people's losing confidence in the country's administration, the lack of efficiency in the supervision of the administration, and the monitoring of the state power. The problems led to massive corruption and malfeasance with no one being brought to justice, which has become a political crisis and caused rifts among members of the society, who were incited to take sides, causing the decline in the national unity and social crisis.Although several sectors have tried to solve the crises, their attempts failed and the situation worsened to the point that there could be violence and clashes which could cause bloodshed.The situation was severely detrimental to the ruling system, economy and the law and order of the country. So, there must be an appropriate and interim ruling mechanism for the country, which is invented in line with traditional and customs of the Constitutional Monarchy system.The interim mechanism is also aimed to restore love and unity, the economy, the law and order, to create strong system to check and investigate corruption, to establish good ethical system, to promote and protect the rights and liberty of the people, to have the country respect the UN treaties and treaties and agreements with other countries, to promote the country's ties with international communities and to promote Thais to adopt the self-sufficiency economy.

At the same time, the interim constitution will ensure sped-up attempts to draft and enact a new Constitution with broad public participation in every step...

Source: www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/10/02/headlines/headlines_30015101.php

Is this new clamour for "carrying out necessary reforms" an accusation or an admission that the reforms promised by the 2006 coup makers were never carried out?

[newcomer71]

Lets take a name check on these 50 persons and keep track of where they end up, it is only a matter of time before the Democrats are back in power and no doubt these names will reappear in various 'positions'then.

Sigh!!!

Why sigh? What Smutcakes said is actually something very easy to do, and just wait, no harm to anyone... I think Smutcakes did not go too much far from reality.

Don't you read the news? Yesterday DIS threating to sue Election Directors.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

This time is me to say "sigh"... ok I guess there's not much to make you understand that THIS is not related to actual government or whatever. It will be just curious to wait and see if those 50 people would have some role in the hypothetical next government (if not PTP).

And yes, I read the news and try to broaden my views and keep neutral and my opinion without getting influenced from the propaganda that is bombing us by both sides...

But if you cannot understand the point, i drop the case.

Edited January 29, 2014 by newcomer71

[newcomer71]

Lets take a name check on these 50 persons and keep track of where they end up, it is only a matter of time before the Democrats are back in power and no doubt these names will reappear in various 'positions'then.

Sigh!!!

Why sigh? What Smutcakes said is actually something very easy to do, and just wait, no harm to anyone... I think Smutcakes did not go too much far from reality.

Yes, there is that precedence set with 11 red shirts becoming MP's with no word on Deputy Commerce Minister Natthawut standing in court for his criminal charges filed in 2007, 2009, and 2010.

I am not aware of this, but sure if they would continue to do the same mistakes or criminal action of this actual government, would not bring much of a new wave, don't you think? So we have just to wait and see.

Edited January 29, 2014 by newcomer71

[Maestro]

Removed a troll post about Argentina.

[Spalpeen]

With your reference to rent-a-crowd, you have shown your bias. It is beneath me to comment on your post.

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........says GeorgeO, getting beneath himself by doing the very thing he says he's not going to do.

Edited January 29, 2014 by Spalpeen

[smedly]

As the current government are so sure of their victory in any election, why is it that they don't just say "OK, the people want to delay, so we will delay, as it will not make any difference."... or maybe they are worried as they realise that it probably will make a difference?

This is what the protestors want

postpone elections

PTP step down

Major reform

referendum let all the people decide

election - even if PTP win, the reforms should ensure the government will be focused on the people and country rather than - lying cheating thieving corruption and abuse of power

and if the reforms include life ban then we won't have the constant rechurn of the same criminals taking office every 5 years

[Puccini]

As the current government are so sure of their victory in any election, why is it that they don't just say "OK, the people want to delay, so we will delay, as it will not make any difference."... or maybe they are worried as they realise that it probably will make a difference?

Unfortunately, a delay of the elections will solve nothing. Suthep will not be satisfied with it. Aside from that, parliament has already been dissolved, the caretaker government has limited authority. It has never been tried recently but it might be possible to run the country this way for many months, except that Suthep and his followers will not allow it.

Suthep has made it perfectly clear. He wants to overthrow the government, abrogate the constitution, get an interim constitution proclaimed, install his interim government and his People's Assembly, write a new constitution, and eventually have new parliamentary elections under the terms of the new constitution.

The two most likely scenarios for the overthrow of the Yingluck government are Yingluck's resignation or a coup by the army. A third option is for Suthep to create enough chaos and anarchy in the country, including occupation or blocking of access to to a large number of ministries and other government offices to such an extent that the government is unable to function.

[smedly]

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What is now required is for her to make a public appearance announcing that the election is off, she and her caretaker government are stepping down, Suthep can therefore call off the street protests, and the business of carrying out necessary reforms can get under way.

...

Carry out necessary reforms. From the preamble to the 2006 interim constitution that served to install the interim government following the coup that year (highlighting in bold is mine):

The leader of the Council for Democratic Reform successfully staged the coup on September 19 B. E. 2549 and presented a report to His Majesty.

The CDR leader informed His Majesty that he seized power and abolished the constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand with an intention to solve the problems of the people's losing confidence in the country's administration, the lack of efficiency in the supervision of the administration, and the monitoring of the state power. The problems led to massive corruption and malfeasance with no one being brought to justice, which has become a political crisis and caused rifts among members of the society, who were incited to take sides, causing the decline in the national unity and social crisis.Although several sectors have tried to solve the crises, their attempts failed and the situation worsened to the point that there could be violence and clashes which could cause bloodshed.The situation was severely detrimental to the ruling system, economy and the law and order of the country. So, there must be an appropriate and interim ruling mechanism for the country, which is invented in line with traditional and customs of the Constitutional Monarchy system.The interim mechanism is also aimed to restore love and unity, the economy, the law and order, to create strong system to check and investigate corruption, to establish good ethical system, to promote and protect the rights and liberty of the people, to have the country respect the UN treaties and treaties and agreements with other countries, to promote the country's ties with international communities and to promote Thais to adopt the self-sufficiency economy.

At the same time, the interim constitution will ensure sped-up attempts to draft and enact a new Constitution with broad public participation in every step...

Source: www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/10/02/headlines/headlines_30015101.php

Is this new clamour for "carrying out necessary reforms" an accusation or an admission that the reforms promised by the 2006 coup makers were never carried out?

it's quite obvious they never met the goals or standards required because PTP came right back in and started abusing right out of the gate - hell their election populist vote buying promises were flawed during the election as we can now see

the reforms obviously need to go way deeper