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[FritsSikkink]

We have access and we have water and we have chanote titles with already defined and approved boundaries...so no issue there.

By simply building the road half on their land and half on ours...we both win and at absolutely no cost to them and they get 50/60 wah of land back.

Now, as we have done today, we build the road on our land only, so we lose a little and yes a little less to sell...maybe...but I have a plan for that.

Big issue is that they lose their water as we have let it run down another boundary, around a corner and over into their land....this used up about a 1 metre wide drain for 50/60m's...we will tomorrow while the Makro is still there...be leveling that drain and getting that 1m wide strip back to plant trees.

Unfortunately they will have to buy rice to eat this year.

They don't win because later you say you will give up ownership to the government.

Read...absorb...understand...

But in case thats not possible...they get half of the current road BACK for them to use as rice land or whatever they wish to do with it....it will be road no more....gettid ?

Read...absorb...understand...

If you speak like that to your neighbours i complete understand they don't want to do business with you.

In case it is possible they loose ownership of land the size off half of the current road.

[Showbags]

Be careful, life is cheap here , and a missing farang ....Who would care .

I would hope my kids...and possibly the missus as I have hidden the atm card.

[howerde]

Thailand is not a place where i would be upsetting neighbours even if i was in the right, i am surprised your girlfriend hasn't said something. How long have you been living in Thailand?

She started it.

12 years.

Anything else ?

Well she might have started it, and she might finish it, either way i sleep well. good luck.

[whoisyourdaddy]

Guess who will be back shortly either looking for lawyers or crying for help because of this and that?

[Showbags]

Thailand is not a place where i would be upsetting neighbours even if i was in the right, i am surprised your girlfriend hasn't said something. How long have you been living in Thailand?

She started it.

12 years.

Anything else ?

Well she might have started it, and she might finish it, either way i sleep well. good luck.

I don't believe in being walked over, used or abused...I will always stand up for myself no matter what.

We had a deal, they broke it.

We had been very compromising by letting them have access to the water at no cost, no issue, no problem whatsoever, in fact not even a thankyou in all these years....so time has come to just quietly turn off the tap....simple as that.

[Showbags]

Guess who will be back shortly either looking for lawyers or crying for help because of this and that?

They do not speak English

[cloghead]

You no unnserstan

[whoisyourdaddy]

Guess who will be back shortly either looking for lawyers or crying for help because of this and that?

They do not speak English

Funny, got to love tough internet warriors.

[SjaakNL2013]

If I see it right the situation changed from two winners to two losers. I think you would be a wise man if you avoid to have "wrong" neighbors and start to think in solutions instead of widen the problem. Sooner or later the problem bounce back.

Without direct to step to the heavy weapons like blocking access and water it is maybe better to talk both with some people who can help you both. Depending an the area you live in a village head, police man, local doctor and even a local teacher are the people who you can approach. You live in Thailand, solve your problems the Thai way.

I am sure you are not want live beside a angry neighbor with the change that one day you house is burned down, your car is scratched or have four flat tires or that on your land nothing want grow because of a magical chemical spell on it.

Ask the owner of your land, your wife how she would solve a problem like this.,..

[Showbags]

If I see it right the situation changed from two winners to two losers. I think you would be a wise man if you avoid to have "wrong" neighbors and start to think in solutions instead of widen the problem. Sooner or later the problem bounce back.

Without direct to step to the heavy weapons like blocking access and water it is maybe better to talk both with some people who can help you both. Depending an the area you live in a village head, police man, local doctor and even a local teacher are the people who you can approach. You live in Thailand, solve your problems the Thai way.

I am sure you are not want live beside a angry neighbor with the change that one day you house is burned down, your car is scratched or have four flat tires or that on your land nothing want grow because of a magical chemical spell on it.

Ask the owner of your land, your wife how she would solve a problem like this.,..

She said to cut the water off and take our drain back to plant trees.

[Prbkk]

Life's too short as it is. Find a settlement and move on. You will be the winners in the end

[drx13]

Could we have a diagram, I can't follow this at all.

Maybe GoogleEarth/Maps ?Annotated by the OP.

[Neeranam]

I take it your wife is not from the area?

AS Bob said "This land is your land and this land is my land, sure, but the world is run by those that never listen to music anyway"

Edited January 30, 2014 by Neeranam

[HooHaa]

Remember if they have no access to a public road they can use your road for access.

im not certain of that, if the road is on private property, it is on private poperty. the only access they would have is if it was registered against the chanote.

you have no idea how many people have made your assumption purchaing land on samui and pahngan only to find themselves landlocked.

I would love to find out i am wrong, i know somebody with 4 useless rai he cannot legally get to.

the neighbors offered to sell him access at a highly inflated rate.

[harrry]

Remember if they have no access to a public road they can use your road for access.

im not certain of that, if the road is on private property, it is on private poperty. the only access they would have is if it was registered against the chanote.

you have no idea how many people have made your assumption purchaing land on samui and pahngan only to find themselves landlocked.

I would love to find out i am wrong, i know somebody with 4 useless rai he cannot legally get to.

the neighbors offered to sell him access at a highly inflated rate.

Section 1349

If a piece of land is so surrounded by other pieces of land that it has no access to the public ways, the owner may pass over the surrounding land to reach a public way.

The same applies, if passage can only be had over a pond, marsh, or sea, or if there is a steep slope with a considerable difference of level between the land and the public way.

The place and the manner of the passage must be chosen as to meet the needs of the person entitled to passage and at the same time to cause as little damage as possible to the surrounding land. The person entitled to passage may, if necessary, construct a road for passage.

The person entitled to passage must pay compensation for any damage suffered by the land owner on account of the passage being established. Such compensation, except for damages arising from the construction of a road, may be made by annual payments.

[HooHaa]

We have access and we have water and we have chanote titles with already defined and approved boundaries...so no issue there.

By simply building the road half on their land and half on ours...we both win and at absolutely no cost to them and they get 50/60 wah of land back.

Now, as we have done today, we build the road on our land only, so we lose a little and yes a little less to sell...maybe...but I have a plan for that.

Big issue is that they lose their water as we have let it run down another boundary, around a corner and over into their land....this used up about a 1 metre wide drain for 50/60m's...we will tomorrow while the Makro is still there...be leveling that drain and getting that 1m wide strip back to plant trees.

Unfortunately they will have to buy rice to eat this year.

They don't win because later you say you will give up ownership to the government.

good god, are you people thick? giving ownership to the government was the plan under the spirit of mutual co-operation. now that the neighbors are no longer on board there will be 2 roads running alongside each other separated by a fence of some sort, both privately owned.

[HooHaa]

Remember if they have no access to a public road they can use your road for access.

im not certain of that, if the road is on private property, it is on private poperty. the only access they would have is if it was registered against the chanote.

you have no idea how many people have made your assumption purchaing land on samui and pahngan only to find themselves landlocked.

I would love to find out i am wrong, i know somebody with 4 useless rai he cannot legally get to.

the neighbors offered to sell him access at a highly inflated rate.

Section 1349

If a piece of land is so surrounded by other pieces of land that it has no access to the public ways, the owner may pass over the surrounding land to reach a public way.

The same applies, if passage can only be had over a pond, marsh, or sea, or if there is a steep slope with a considerable difference of level between the land and the public way.

The place and the manner of the passage must be chosen as to meet the needs of the person entitled to passage and at the same time to cause as little damage as possible to the surrounding land. The person entitled to passage may, if necessary, construct a road for passage.

The person entitled to passage must pay compensation for any damage suffered by the land owner on account of the passage being established. Such compensation, except for damages arising from the construction of a road, may be made by annual payments.

interesting, thanks.

[harrry]

Remember if they have no access to a public road they can use your road for access.

im not certain of that, if the road is on private property, it is on private poperty. the only access they would have is if it was registered against the chanote.

you have no idea how many people have made your assumption purchaing land on samui and pahngan only to find themselves landlocked.

I would love to find out i am wrong, i know somebody with 4 useless rai he cannot legally get to.

the neighbors offered to sell him access at a highly inflated rate.

Section 1349

If a piece of land is so surrounded by other pieces of land that it has no access to the public ways, the owner may pass over the surrounding land to reach a public way.

The same applies, if passage can only be had over a pond, marsh, or sea, or if there is a steep slope with a considerable difference of level between the land and the public way.

The place and the manner of the passage must be chosen as to meet the needs of the person entitled to passage and at the same time to cause as little damage as possible to the surrounding land. The person entitled to passage may, if necessary, construct a road for passage.

The person entitled to passage must pay compensation for any damage suffered by the land owner on account of the passage being established. Such compensation, except for damages arising from the construction of a road, may be made by annual payments.

interesting, thanks.

I know there was a case where it was held that only the owner could take this to court...not a person having a userfruct. Still dangerous territory to stop someone's access.

[arthurwait]

Remember you plan to sell this land, they could make it very difficult to sell and that would be the best option as if you take their livelihood away they may not think twice about making you disappear.

If they lose their livelihood how long would it be before they seek legal advice and find out you are buying land illegally and working illegally and it's bye bye to your land and life in Thailand.

[Showbags]

Remember if they have no access to a public road they can use your road for access.

im not certain of that, if the road is on private property, it is on private poperty. the only access they would have is if it was registered against the chanote.

you have no idea how many people have made your assumption purchaing land on samui and pahngan only to find themselves landlocked.

I would love to find out i am wrong, i know somebody with 4 useless rai he cannot legally get to.

the neighbors offered to sell him access at a highly inflated rate.

Section 1349

If a piece of land is so surrounded by other pieces of land that it has no access to the public ways, the owner may pass over the surrounding land to reach a public way.

The same applies, if passage can only be had over a pond, marsh, or sea, or if there is a steep slope with a considerable difference of level between the land and the public way.

The place and the manner of the passage must be chosen as to meet the needs of the person entitled to passage and at the same time to cause as little damage as possible to the surrounding land. The person entitled to passage may, if necessary, construct a road for passage.

The person entitled to passage must pay compensation for any damage suffered by the land owner on account of the passage being established. Such compensation, except for damages arising from the construction of a road, may be made by annual payments.

interesting, thanks.

From the fact that it is not a free for all and never happens in reality.

Compensation must be paid...yes, effectively they can pay compensation to the inflated value of that area of land used for access....tough titties to the land locked.

I know someone that bought land off a family, now another member of that family is land locked...tough titties, they have no access and have offered to sell cheaply to the new owners.

But regardless...we are not talking about access here in my case as they have it and we have it...separately.

Edited January 31, 2014 by Showbags

[Showbags]

Remember you plan to sell this land, they could make it very difficult to sell and that would be the best option as if you take their livelihood away they may not think twice about making you disappear.

If they lose their livelihood how long would it be before they seek legal advice and find out you are buying land illegally and working illegally and it's bye bye to your land and life in Thailand.

Yes...everyone makes everyone disappear.

My wife bought the land, not me, tis in her name, not mine, money for it came from her account which was from a sale from another house years ago...I do not work....I sit and watch.....under a tree, with my feet up in the air for all to see.

[Showbags]

They don't win because later you say you will give up ownership to the government.

good god, are you people thick? giving ownership to the government was the plan under the spirit of mutual co-operation. now that the neighbors are no longer on board there will be 2 roads running alongside each other separated by a fence of some sort, both privately owned.

Be gentle with them please.

Edited January 31, 2014 by metisdead
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[Berkshire]

If I see it right the situation changed from two winners to two losers. I think you would be a wise man if you avoid to have "wrong" neighbors and start to think in solutions instead of widen the problem. Sooner or later the problem bounce back.

Without direct to step to the heavy weapons like blocking access and water it is maybe better to talk both with some people who can help you both. Depending an the area you live in a village head, police man, local doctor and even a local teacher are the people who you can approach. You live in Thailand, solve your problems the Thai way.

I am sure you are not want live beside a angry neighbor with the change that one day you house is burned down, your car is scratched or have four flat tires or that on your land nothing want grow because of a magical chemical spell on it.

Ask the owner of your land, your wife how she would solve a problem like this.,..

She said to cut the water off and take our drain back to plant trees.

So it's not really you being the "tough guy," it's the wife. You're kind of hiding behind the scenes, and punching out tough words on TV. You should realize that these sorts of confrontations never end well. If your neighbor had any balls, he would retaliate in equal measure. You should talk some sense to the boss (aka wifey). If everyone doesn't win, everyone loses.

[Mrjlh]

Why didn't you get your agreement in "WRITING", Signed, and notarized? Seems that would have solved the whole thing.

Edited January 31, 2014 by Mrjlh

[jackr]

This is clearly a case of wanting their cake and eating it, something I'm sure we have all come across in good ole Muang Thai. While I would rather have a potential problem and good karma having not bent over, in this case I would consider holding off on blocking that drain until you're just about to sell the land. Bearing in mind you are dealing with children and you know how a kid behaves when he's had his sweets taken away.

[thaisaregrt]

mate, go for it. You have tried to do the right thing by your neighbour but they just see the chance of making more from it so by all means I would do exactly the same thing as you. As for the drain, tell them it will now cost them to use it or it will be filled in to make up for the loss of land you will suffer putting in the new road, again their fault.What amazes me are people that always want more then they are being given and all for nothing, you offered then half the road back to use and they want it all instead, sometimes you cant help "stupid", simply not capable of rational thinking.I would check on the drain and then you can always divert it or build a crossing with no drains like the thais do if you cannot backfill it.

[edwinchester]

Remember if they have no access to a public road they can use your road for access.

im not certain of that, if the road is on private property, it is on private poperty. the only access they would have is if it was registered against the chanote.

you have no idea how many people have made your assumption purchaing land on samui and pahngan only to find themselves landlocked.

I would love to find out i am wrong, i know somebody with 4 useless rai he cannot legally get to.

the neighbors offered to sell him access at a highly inflated rate.

Agreed. I asked once at the local amphur about access to landlocked parcels of land. They told me that there is absolutely no right if it is not stated on the chanote.

[willyumiii]

I don't know how.

I don't know when.

But this is gonna come back around and bite the OP in the left butt cheek.

You thinking violence?

Not violence. But, as Joe Cocker would say, We get by with a little help from our friends (and neighbors). There's a thousand ways that having good relationships with neighbors will improve quality of life, and hundreds of ways that a bad relationship with our neighbors can really make life more difficult.

One day, we all need a favor. Like, for example, the day the surveyors come out and inform you that you built your fence 4 inches over the line onto your neighbor's property. Or a road, perhaps.

BTW, I know Joe wasn't the first to sing the song, but I like his the best.

Miss quote: actually a Lennon & McCartney song, later copied by Cocker. credit given where credit is due!

[tonyja]

All you gotta do is to say " You are absolutely Right " and walk away.

Sent from up to me from where it was sent

[Showbags]

If I see it right the situation changed from two winners to two losers. I think you would be a wise man if you avoid to have "wrong" neighbors and start to think in solutions instead of widen the problem. Sooner or later the problem bounce back.

Without direct to step to the heavy weapons like blocking access and water it is maybe better to talk both with some people who can help you both. Depending an the area you live in a village head, police man, local doctor and even a local teacher are the people who you can approach. You live in Thailand, solve your problems the Thai way.

I am sure you are not want live beside a angry neighbor with the change that one day you house is burned down, your car is scratched or have four flat tires or that on your land nothing want grow because of a magical chemical spell on it.

Ask the owner of your land, your wife how she would solve a problem like this.,..

She said to cut the water off and take our drain back to plant trees.

So it's not really you being the "tough guy," it's the wife. You're kind of hiding behind the scenes, and punching out tough words on TV. You should realize that these sorts of confrontations never end well. If your neighbor had any balls, he would retaliate in equal measure. You should talk some sense to the boss (aka wifey). If everyone doesn't win, everyone loses.

She has learnt something from the best over last 16 years.

You must live in a rather frigid world if 'turning off the tap' is tough words to you.

The neighbour has nothing to retaliate for...we let the water flow across our land for them under our goodwill...we are now selling and changing the land, even might fill it up with dirt to 1m high like they all do and then watch them argue how to let the water flow uphill.