Popular Post gemini81 Posted February 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Rice scheme burns out. Tablet maker bankrupt. First time car buyers not getting their rebates. That's 0/3 for the Shin populist promises! Well done! The spin meister is back ...surely not even you could blame YL for this. Blame here is squarely with Suthep. No other explanation warrants consideration. Rubbish once again. PTP implemented the rice plan against the advice of the democrats & general public, knowing the rice scheme was a doomed failure and that PTP are total incredible crooks who have botched all plans they had since they have been in offic . No way Chinese would be foolish enough to get caught up in rice deals with PTP, whose horrible reputation precedes them. Not even buy dead dog meat from them. PTP & the Silo scam is yet another chapter in the depths of their unprecedented graft. Stop making excuses for these swindlers and accept that they are getting what they deserve, as a reaction to the deeds they've done. Edited February 4, 2014 by gemini81 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney R Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Rice scheme burns out. Tablet maker bankrupt. First time car buyers not getting their rebates. That's 0/3 for the Shin populist promises! Well done! The spin meister is back ...surely not even you could blame YL for this. Blame here is squarely with Suthep. No other explanation warrants consideration. I think you sir are just trolling and it is your statement that warrants no consideration . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Rice scheme burns out. Tablet maker bankrupt. First time car buyers not getting their rebates. That's 0/3 for the Shin populist promises! Well done! The spin meister is back ...surely not even you could blame YL for this. Blame here is squarely with Suthep. No other explanation warrants consideration. Why is it Suthep's fault? Please explain? Sent from my XT1032 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Rice scheme burns out. Tablet maker bankrupt. First time car buyers not getting their rebates. That's 0/3 for the Shin populist promises! Well done! The spin meister is back ...surely not even you could blame YL for this. Blame here is squarely with Suthep. No other explanation warrants consideration. Exactly. Blame the cop for investigating a burglary, blame the home owner for discovering the burglary. Heck, blame HomePro for selling the burglary tools. But whatever you do, don't blame the burglar.... Blame the expats and tourists for not eating enough rice and not taking 2 kilo's home from their holidays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini81 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Rice scheme burns out. Tablet maker bankrupt. First time car buyers not getting their rebates. That's 0/3 for the Shin populist promises! Well done! The spin meister is back ...surely not even you could blame YL for this. Blame here is squarely with Suthep. No other explanation warrants consideration. Why is it Suthep's fault? Please explain? Sent from my XT1032 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Because some expats have a limited social circle and/or a Mrs. who is........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikurauni Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Rice scheme burns out. Tablet maker bankrupt. First time car buyers not getting their rebates. That's 0/3 for the Shin populist promises! Well done! The spin meister is back ...surely not even you could blame YL for this. Blame here is squarely with Suthep. No other explanation warrants consideration. The blame lies firmly at the door of Thaksin, Yingluck and Pheu Thai for their stupidly flawed and corrupt populist policies that are falling down now around their ears . . . no other explanation warrants consideration. EDIT: By the way, is this the cancellation of the Rice Deal with China that China had previously denied even existed? If so, this Govt is piling lie on top of lie at the moment, I'll await the announcement next from China stating that they have no clue what "Thailand" is talking about and to stop putting words in their mouths. The government should be blamed for all the screw ups. The played the game and failed. The PM is a puppet of her brother and not capable of handling the duties as prime minister. She is a wrong person to do the job. We have already seen many things that she did not do right. The PM has to deal with some tough legal issues. This might be a beginning of the end. It is interesting to watch how the story develops It is much better than watching a movie. But sorry for the people who have been affected by the corruption. I hope peaceful solution to be achieved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ginjag Posted February 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2014 Rice scheme burns out. Tablet maker bankrupt. First time car buyers not getting their rebates. That's 0/3 for the Shin populist promises! Well done! The spin meister is back ...surely not even you could blame YL for this. Blame here is squarely with Suthep. No other explanation warrants consideration. Bullsh*t Everyone to his own--but I think Prbkk, your an implant to stir up problems, as this post is way off centre. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promatrix Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 after all her knowledge about rice is probably limited to cooking. I doubt so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mightyatom Posted February 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2014 Rice scheme burns out. Tablet maker bankrupt. First time car buyers not getting their rebates. That's 0/3 for the Shin populist promises! Well done! The spin meister is back ...surely not even you could blame YL for this. Blame here is squarely with Suthep. No other explanation warrants consideration. I don't understand your point. You are saying that Suthep is responsible for the stellar collapse of the rice scheme? Or the tablet scheme and the first car tax relief scheme?? Can you please expand a bit more on exactly how he has created these collapses. We are all waiting for the details, sounds really interesting and a revelation to add to all these political stories. If you can substantiate these claims, you can sell this info to almost all the media in Thailand if not 'the world'. Because this would be a mighty news break. Unless of course you just don't like Suthep and want to blame every problem on him without any facts in which case just type out the words 'I hate Suthep' and paste them in every post you wish to make so we all know it is irrelevant and we can move on. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post steveromagnino Posted February 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Rice scheme burns out. Tablet maker bankrupt. First time car buyers not getting their rebates. That's 0/3 for the Shin populist promises! Well done! The spin meister is back ...surely not even you could blame YL for this. Blame here is squarely with Suthep. No other explanation warrants consideration. As the head of the committee, surely it is the PM's job to ensure that the policies they were elected on, and promised to do, would be completed?????? To do this, requires committing the correct budget, and carrying out oversight of each policy for implementation. Surely it is her job to try to do HER JOB? The rice pledging scheme is dead simple why it has failed - It was set up based on the concept of being fairly self funding with a 'float' needed from memory 500b baht. However, the reality vs. the estimates of how much it cost massively underestimated the true cost, in an ENRON/WorldCom style way of recognising sales that didn't exist. Rest assured the G2G sales and their confidentiality are there for one thing only - to cover the truth of how much every sale is wasting tax payer month. If anyone was stupid enough to buy at 17,000b per ton the govt would be sure to be crowing how they achieved the sale. The refusal of the government to investigate and check or audit and their 'shoot the messenger' approach to handling any criticism coupled with outright lying about sales which don't exist, are why the entire scheme is bankrupt. Which even until today is denied by the government, who still claim to the farmers that payouts are not being made due to the protesters - the amnesty bill for her brother and the trillion baht transport bill were considered important; securing funding for the rice pledging scheme was not. Ensuring tablets that actually worked or making sure first car buyers were paid was not. There is no easy legal solution until we have a proper government to pass a new act to create a source of funding which can support the scheme, and insiders have clearly stated that no one has any idea exactly how much this scheme will lose. The easy solution is that the government should only pay for domestic rice consumption, and for all exported rice the Shinawatras should offer to purchase the entire rice stockpile at 100% of the pledged price of approx. 12,000b (which was never achieving 15,000b, as there has been corruption at every step of this idiotic policy) since THEY are the ones who think it's a good idea - let the SHINAWATRAS enjoy the upside of buying at 50% above market rates if THEY think its a good plan for export. The reality is the refusal to disclose prices and to admit any issues in the scheme is tantamount to condoning the corruption in the scheme - we know why because the government senior MPs and backers are the most likely to have their hands in the till. A LEADER must take responsibility for their decisions, their mistakes. Failure of the rice pledging scheme rests SOLELY with Yingluck and her government's decision to call a snap election without ensuring funding was in place - instead her government continued to lie about sales that didn't exist. Edited February 4, 2014 by steveromagnino 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinchester Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Rice scheme burns out. Tablet maker bankrupt. First time car buyers not getting their rebates. That's 0/3 for the Shin populist promises! Well done! The spin meister is back ...surely not even you could blame YL for this. Blame here is squarely with Suthep. No other explanation warrants consideration. So how do you explain some farmers not being paid for the last 8 months? Or my father in law waiting since October? Or the guy who rents my wifes paddy waiting over 4 months? The election was only called 2 months ago. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantSpell Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Rice scheme burns out. Tablet maker bankrupt. First time car buyers not getting their rebates. That's 0/3 for the Shin populist promises! Well done! The spin meister is back ...surely not even you could blame YL for this. Blame here is squarely with Suthep. No other explanation warrants consideration. Sure... Maybe blame the Chinese for YL probe and PT mess... Darn Chinese don't wanna buy controversial rotten rice... Maybe cos of Suthep Or was it just a little white lie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scamper Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 " China lacks confidence to do business with us after the National Anti-Corruption Commission started investigations into the transparency of rice deals between Thailand and China," Thai Commerce Minister Niwatthamrong Bunsongphaisan said, announcing the cancellation. " In other words, it was the naughty NACC's fault. As it was the naughty EC's fault. As it was the naughty PDRC's fault. As it was the naughty banks' fault. As it was the naughty bank unions' fault ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post animatic Posted February 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) The rats are not abandoning the sinking ship, but the ports of call for the Thaksin Ship of Doom are pulling up the welcome mats. No surprise there, in China they shoot you dead in a soccer stadium for corruption, I am SURE the Bejing commerce ministry under-minister in charge of the deal, does not want to 'take one in the squash', just to keep Thakson and Co. afloat. Som nom na naaa, na naaa na. Oh, and Kuhn Steveromangino is spot on as usual. Edited February 4, 2014 by animatic 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Rice scheme burns out. Tablet maker bankrupt. First time car buyers not getting their rebates. That's 0/3 for the Shin populist promises! Well done! The spin meister is back ...surely not even you could blame YL for this. Blame here is squarely with Suthep. No other explanation warrants consideration. Why is it Suthep's fault? Please explain? Sent from my XT1032 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Suthep is heading the NACC now, didn't you know? He made a little space in his agenda, between roasting babies on a spit and doing Elvis impersonations at weddings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hellhound66 Posted February 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) In case anyone is wondering the Thai rice pledging scheme was an attempt to scam the World. Basically, their plan was for the Government to buy up all Thai rice at inflated prices (subsidies), store the rice and restrict output to the World thus inflating the price on the World market. The Thai Government would then enter the market and make vast profits at these manipulated prices. Like with most other things in this country they didn't quite think it through. India sees this huge gap in the market and ramps up it's production and what a surprise: all of a sudden India is the number one rice exporter in the World and the price of rice falls not rises. The Thai Gov is left with huge warehouses overflowing with overpriced rice that they cannot sell and farmers they cannot pay. This is trademark Thaksin. Edited February 4, 2014 by Hellhound66 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 It seems strange given that China...which is the worlds largest producer of rice (25%) would prefer to buy rice from Thailand over other countries that it is friendlier with....unless of course there was something in it for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggold Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 It seems strange given that China...which is the worlds largest producer of rice (25%) would prefer to buy rice from Thailand over other countries that it is friendlier with....unless of course there was something in it for them. there was nothing in it for the Chinese! there was no G2G rice deal, the only ones claiming so was PTP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonder6281 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I am willing to guess that the dear Pm would much prefer a probing then Sutep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prbkk Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 The 2 things are completely separate, one the rice pledging ( I don't support, never have), two, the commercial transaction to sell rice to China. Any sane person would support that...it gets the farmers paid and reduces the mountain, albeit at a loss. That transaction has been derailed by Suthep . Tragic for everyone, especially the farmers. I'm not surprised the Chinese got cold feet...but there is no reason why the sale should not proceed. In fact, it's in everyone's best interests that it does so ( apart from a few obsessions who see something corrupt in a straightforward, transparent transaction). Mystifying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lingba Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 whay would China want to buy rice from Thailand in the first place...they don't grow their own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Hoping to sell 700 million tons this year?, how much rice stock has Thailand got. They better think up an alternative use for the rice,as none seems to be getting sold, and the farmers keep growing more. Thailand cancels the contract for kids tablets, while China cancels the rice contract,(if there ever was one) regards Worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man River Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Rice scheme burns out. Tablet maker bankrupt. First time car buyers not getting their rebates. That's 0/3 for the Shin populist promises! Well done! The spin meister is back ...surely not even you could blame YL for this. Blame here is squarely with Suthep. No other explanation warrants consideration. And if the courts want to consider it differently ..? Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyesWideOpen Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Gets better by the day...... One thing is for sure, there is no way in the world that a contract between China and the current government would withstand any form of investigation.... :-) When two countries with such a high level of corruption form a contract, you can be sure that lots of pockets have to be filled first. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man River Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Hoping to sell 700 million tons this year?, how much rice stock has Thailand got. They better think up an alternative use for the rice,as none seems to be getting sold, and the farmers keep growing more. Thailand cancels the contract for kids tablets, while China cancels the rice contract,(if there ever was one) regards Worgeordie From what has been written there was an MOU between Thailand and China. I haven't read where a contract was signed. It appears that at present, China doesn't want to pursue this issue further. That could change at any time. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patjem Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 <deleted>. It never existed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patjem Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 The 2 things are completely separate, one the rice pledging ( I don't support, never have), two, the commercial transaction to sell rice to China. Any sane person would support that...it gets the farmers paid and reduces the mountain, albeit at a loss. That transaction has been derailed by Suthep . Tragic for everyone, especially the farmers. I'm not surprised the Chinese got cold feet...but there is no reason why the sale should not proceed. In fact, it's in everyone's best interests that it does so ( apart from a few obsessions who see something corrupt in a straightforward, transparent transaction). MystifyingYou do understand that such a contract would never have existed? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patjem Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Hoping to sell 700 million tons this year?, how much rice stock has Thailand got. They better think up an alternative use for the rice,as none seems to be getting sold, and the farmers keep growing more. Thailand cancels the contract for kids tablets, while China cancels the rice contract,(if there ever was one) regards Worgeordie From what has been written there was an MOU between Thailand and China. I haven't read where a contract was signed. It appears that at present, China doesn't want to pursue this issue further. That could change at any time. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand There was NEVER one.... trade doesn't work in that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Robby nz Posted February 4, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2014 First we had the Ivory Coast said they had to destroy 20% of a shipment because it was rotten. Then Iran says it will not buy Thai rice for 5 years because of poor quality. Then The US returns a shipment for the same reason. And now we have China saying it doesn't want what they are supposed to have agreed to buy. That takes care of some of the biggest customers, so who is left to buy the mountain ? 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chupup Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 So even the big brother China shows his pride, at least for their own sake.... not such a surprise Soon Suthep won t be needed to pull PT out, their voters will do it for him You mean,... the rice farmers... the rest of Pheu Thai voters who are not affiliated with rice business couldn't care less.... Oh they will when the price goes UP, they are moaning now about the Cost of living Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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