A coup is not an acceptable way to end crisis: US

[falangadang]

A coup is not an acceptable way to end crisis: US

... as if anything that the self appointed international policeman and warmongering nation says is of any value or relevance.

Get your own ethics in order before giving advice!

[JRSoul]

I wonder if the US has been informed that if this week's election stands, the caretaker government will be returned with a large majority having received ~25% of the available votes. Let them decide how democratic that would be.

[Sayonarax]

Talk about going full tabloid.. I don't think TVF needs to post gossip from the newspapers.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies have been deleted.

[Credo]

Such vitriolic remarks from some posters. A simple statement from the US, and you should remember, they have even written to the President of the US, is met with such derision. The statement makes no threats. No sanctions are discussed. Just that the disagreements be settled peacefully.

It seems like a lot of people want the situation resolved in a non peaceful manner.

[Credo]

By the way, the US and the Thai military have a long history of close involvement and some of the contacts in the Thai may be giving out more information than they should.

[Scott]

The UN is apparently calling for dialogue:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/702244-un-chief-calls-for-dialogue-to-bridge-political-differences-thai-politics/

[slipperylobster]

"We support a democratic solution to the ongoing tensions in Thailand. So we're engaged very closely in that on the ground, and we, of course, believe there are more steps that need to be taken in that process," she said.

So just what are they doing engaging in another countries affairs?

Well, you see, it goes way back to colonial times with the Brits and European saw fit to overun most of the Worlds free land offers.

Seems they screwed things up royally...and now the USA is hoping to set things straight, as peoples sit on the sidelines and whine.

[atyclb]

Yanks......, can't they mind their business in their own backyard ??? Nosy buggers.

Considering the fact that Thailand -USA trade is important, the USA is indeed minding its business. Are you aware that Thailand is running a $14billion trade surplus with the USA? U.S. goods and services trade with Thailand totaled $40 billion in 2011 with Thailand Exports at $27 billion.

U.S. foreign direct investment (FDI) in Thailand (stock) was $11.3 billion in 2011 vs. a measly $118million Thai FDI in the USA. Thailand needs the USA. The USA does not really need Thailand.

And now to the statement from the USA official. What is wrong US State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki's statements;

"We certainly do not want to see a coup or violence," and "We are speaking directly to all elements in Thai society to make clear the importance of using democratic and constitutional means to resolve political differences" ??????????

Apparently some would rather the USA encouraged violence and illegal activity.

The US State Department statements are responsible and the right sentiments to express. They are also consistent with other governments public statements including the EU, Australia, UK, Japan, Russia and China.

The comments taking the USA to task are idiotic and demonstrate the blind hatred the writers have for the USA. It doesn't matter if the USA is showing moral leadership or if it is consistent with other governments. In the sick twisted world of the critics, the USA is wrong. I note the usual comments making references to conspiracies, Israel and other assorted excretions and that speaks volumes.

In actuality a significant majority of Americans polled are not satisfied with their own government. The term "hypocrisy is not at all inappropriate given the factual reality of orchestrated military coups in multiple countries over decades, not to imply other governments are angels either.

You should review http://patriotsquestion911.com/ for more "excretions" albeit from highly credible, highly educated and experienced military and intelligence analysts. highly decorated war heroes and pilots, Phd's, Masters, engineers, physicists, architects and medical doctors.

"Eighteen percent of Americans are satisfied with the way the nation is being governed, down 14 percentage points from the 32% recorded last month before the partial government shutdown began. This is the lowest government satisfaction rating in Gallup's history of asking the question dating back to 1971."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165371/americans-satisfaction-gov-drops-new-low.aspx

"Katherine K. Young states, "the fact remains, however, that not all conspiracies are imagined by paranoids. Historians show that every real conspiracy has had at least four characteristic features: groups, not isolated individuals; illegal or sinister aims, not ones that would benefit society as a whole; orchestrated acts, not a series of spontaneous and haphazard ones; and secret planning, not public discussion". Above all else a real conspiracy is evidenced by provable facts.^[26]

"Some historians have put forward the idea that more recently the United States has become the home of conspiracy theories because so many high-level prominent conspiracies have been undertaken and uncovered since the 1960s".^[27] The existence of such real conspiracies helps feed the belief in conspiracy theories."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

PS; I am NOT anti US, but facts and realities are facts and realities.

Edited February 5, 2014 by atyclb

[harrry]

"We support a democratic solution to the ongoing tensions in Thailand. So we're engaged very closely in that on the ground, and we, of course, believe there are more steps that need to be taken in that process," she said.

So just what are they doing engaging in another countries affairs?

Well, you see, it goes way back to colonial times with the Brits and European saw fit to overun most of the Worlds free land offers.

Seems they screwed things up royally...and now the USA is hoping to set things straight, as peoples sit on the sidelines and whine.

Well you cannot blame the Brits and Europeans for here, after all it has never been colonised ( shhhhh do not mention the Japanese).

Now if it was Singapore or Washington they may be blamed for laying the foundations

[atyclb]

A coup is not an acceptable way to end crisis: US

... as if anything that the self appointed international policeman and warmongering nation says is of any value or relevance.

Get your own ethics in order before giving advice!

Could be true. Perhaps the underlying thought behind "A coup is not an acceptable way to end crisis: US"

Predator drones are the way to go.

[GentlemanJim]

Such vitriolic remarks from some posters. A simple statement from the US, and you should remember, they have even written to the President of the US, is met with such derision. The statement makes no threats. No sanctions are discussed. Just that the disagreements be settled peacefully.

It seems like a lot of people want the situation resolved in a non peaceful manner.

Then perhaps Credo you should get a job as a US Government spokesman as if you would have said "Look folks, for everyones sake, we would just like to see the disagreements settled peacefully', there would be very little in terms of vitriolic comment on this thread

I am afraid any US administration is playing with fire when they start throwing around what is and what is not 'acceptable'. Governments are benchmarked on many things such as finance, corruption, education etc, what ever league tables take your fancy are mostly out there, but if we had a table for 'moral values' then most US Administrations and politicians would get the country rated in the bottom 10 world-wide, but I guess most US citizens already know that.

[Mister Fixit]

Apparently some would rather the USA encouraged violence and illegal activity.

But isn't what they always do themselves when it suits them?

[slipperylobster]

This opinion piece continues to take remarks out of context as in "warning" and the US position, if quoted accurately is hypocritical.

By the way the highly tax payer paid US State Department spokesperson yesterday in The Nation was quoted as saying that the US is speaking with "all elements" in Thai society. What exactly does she mean by "all elements" in Thai society? Is an element a "sector a person?" Is the US State Department conferring with the poor and the majority of ordinary Thais? Does all elements mean laborers, farmers, factory workers, sex workers, bus drivers, motorcycles, taxis, tour workers? Or are "all elements" the typical establishment folks that the US has been aligning with since the French left Vietnam? Who these elements that the US is speaking with?

The article above certainly didn't indicate any US "warning" against a coup. So did this editor again take the "warning" comments out of context? How about the previous Jen Psaki comments about "all elements?" It would be nice to see a clarification by the Nation as to what Jen Psaki meant by the US is speaking with "all elements" in Thai society.

The US has hypocritically stood by for decades and decades investing US taxpayer money in the Thai military and its 18 coups and known corruption with US taxpayer money. Thai establishment elite and military have gotten rich skimming military and economic aid from the US taxpayer while making Thailand secure enough for the Japanese and others to invest in Thailand. It continues to do so while the US suffers 50 million of its own people who are below the poverty line and raging unemployment. This is very objectionable and unconscionable. What does Jen Psaki and The Nation think about this?

International Treaties between governments which inlude military aid are not worked out Unilaterally. Too bored with this subject, but somehow people have this fear that the USA has a big hidden to take on the entire planet. I think too much weed and staring at Moscow Television headlines about the American Agenda (whatever that is). Take a hard look underneath the sheets, and you will see many of the Silent Allied countries (such as Great Britain, Canada, Austrailia and New Zealand) are right there in bed with us.

[Muhendis]

"We support a democratic solution to the ongoing tensions in Thailand. So we're engaged very closely in that on the ground, and we, of course, believe there are more steps that need to be taken in that process," she said.

So just what are they doing engaging in another countries affairs?

Same as they always do. Looking for a militarily strategic place for another Asian base and a place where the dollar business can profit.

[Jonmarleesco]

Knowing the US, it's probably tried to do more than warn. It does have a habit of interfering in the legitimate affairs, including elections, of other countries, allies and otherwise. That's not to say a coup is in any way ideal, but the ongoing situation is likely to put the military in an untenable position.

[slipperylobster]

A coup is not an acceptable way to end crisis: US

... as if anything that the self appointed international policeman and warmongering nation says is of any value or relevance.

Get your own ethics in order before giving advice!

Could be true. Perhaps the underlying thought behind "A coup is not an acceptable way to end crisis: US"

Predator drones are the way to go.

Hell yeah...send in the Marines and open the bars. Things will get back to normal quick....lol.

[Jonmarleesco]

This opinion piece continues to take remarks out of context as in "warning" and the US position, if quoted accurately is hypocritical.

By the way the highly tax payer paid US State Department spokesperson yesterday in The Nation was quoted as saying that the US is speaking with "all elements" in Thai society. What exactly does she mean by "all elements" in Thai society? Is an element a "sector a person?" Is the US State Department conferring with the poor and the majority of ordinary Thais? Does all elements mean laborers, farmers, factory workers, sex workers, bus drivers, motorcycles, taxis, tour workers? Or are "all elements" the typical establishment folks that the US has been aligning with since the French left Vietnam? Who these elements that the US is speaking with?

The article above certainly didn't indicate any US "warning" against a coup. So did this editor again take the "warning" comments out of context? How about the previous Jen Psaki comments about "all elements?" It would be nice to see a clarification by the Nation as to what Jen Psaki meant by the US is speaking with "all elements" in Thai society.

The US has hypocritically stood by for decades and decades investing US taxpayer money in the Thai military and its 18 coups and known corruption with US taxpayer money. Thai establishment elite and military have gotten rich skimming military and economic aid from the US taxpayer while making Thailand secure enough for the Japanese and others to invest in Thailand. It continues to do so while the US suffers 50 million of its own people who are below the poverty line and raging unemployment. This is very objectionable and unconscionable. What does Jen Psaki and The Nation think about this?

International Treaties between governments which inlude military aid are not worked out Unilaterally. Too bored with this subject, but somehow people have this fear that the USA has a big hidden to take on the entire planet. I think too much weed and staring at Moscow Television headlines about the American Agenda (whatever that is). Take a hard look underneath the sheets, and you will see many of the Silent Allied countries (such as Great Britain, Canada, Austrailia and New Zealand) are right there in bed with us.

Er, no! The governments do, all too often, enjoy pillow talk with the US. The majority of the people - the country(ies) - do not!

Edited February 5, 2014 by Jonmarleesco

[harrry]

This opinion piece continues to take remarks out of context as in "warning" and the US position, if quoted accurately is hypocritical.

By the way the highly tax payer paid US State Department spokesperson yesterday in The Nation was quoted as saying that the US is speaking with "all elements" in Thai society. What exactly does she mean by "all elements" in Thai society? Is an element a "sector a person?" Is the US State Department conferring with the poor and the majority of ordinary Thais? Does all elements mean laborers, farmers, factory workers, sex workers, bus drivers, motorcycles, taxis, tour workers? Or are "all elements" the typical establishment folks that the US has been aligning with since the French left Vietnam? Who these elements that the US is speaking with?

The article above certainly didn't indicate any US "warning" against a coup. So did this editor again take the "warning" comments out of context? How about the previous Jen Psaki comments about "all elements?" It would be nice to see a clarification by the Nation as to what Jen Psaki meant by the US is speaking with "all elements" in Thai society.

The US has hypocritically stood by for decades and decades investing US taxpayer money in the Thai military and its 18 coups and known corruption with US taxpayer money. Thai establishment elite and military have gotten rich skimming military and economic aid from the US taxpayer while making Thailand secure enough for the Japanese and others to invest in Thailand. It continues to do so while the US suffers 50 million of its own people who are below the poverty line and raging unemployment. This is very objectionable and unconscionable. What does Jen Psaki and The Nation think about this?

International Treaties between governments which inlude military aid are not worked out Unilaterally. Too bored with this subject, but somehow people have this fear that the USA has a big hidden to take on the entire planet. I think too much weed and staring at Moscow Television headlines about the American Agenda (whatever that is). Take a hard look underneath the sheets, and you will see many of the Silent Allied countries (such as Great Britain, Canada, Austrailia and New Zealand) are right there in bed with us.

Er, no! The governments do, all too often, enjoy pillow talk with the US. The majority of the people - the country(ies) - do not!

SOme Governments will sleep with anyone for money.

[spirit47]

Critics on US politics may be removed...but it not change that the US Government and some of it activities are unpopular and violate human rights, so they put there big nose better in their own affairs.

[chainarong]

Perhaps at the end of the day a coup might be the only way to get Thailand going again, a run on the banks would put the establishment ( near the River) on notice that something quick would need to done to head of a financial melt down, plunging Thailand into chaos , it is all very well for the US to give advice, its another thing to be in the position that Thailand finds itself.

[metisdead]

A post commenting on moderation has been removed as well another off topic post.

[winstonc]

we regret any voters not exercizing their right to vote....did they say that when they had their election and the black vote was messed with..in florida i believe i might be wrong,hypocricy....and bad spelling on my part sorry..

[ramrod711]

Since it began monitoring on January 13, the agency has been alarmed to see individuals at protest sites with weapons, including firearms. Explosives and guns have also been employed against protest groups by unknown perpetrators, it said.

If they were alarmed this time, they must have messed their drawers in 2010.

[rbmcn]

Hilarious that the clots running the U.S.A. think anyone listens to them preach. They have screwed up their own fine country so much that Obama's minions should be more concerned about being ousted summarily by popular accord.

[sonar6ca]

Yanks......, can't they mind their business in their own backyard ??? Nosy buggers.

Amen to that!!!

[rreddin]

"We support a democratic solution to the ongoing tensions in Thailand. So we're engaged very closely in that on the ground, and we, of course, believe there are more steps that need to be taken in that process," she said.

So just what are they doing engaging in another countries affairs?

I am not an American, but even so it is obvious that Thailand is a strategic trading partner and military ally of the US. To further its foreign policy and military presence in the region, the US needs a stable government in Thailand. The fear they probably have is that a coup would destableise the country and I am sure they have conveyed that message to all the key players in the current drama. On the other side of the coin, they have probably been trying to ascertain the stance towards the US from certain key players in the event of instability and how US foreign and military policies might need to be adjusted to accommodate those circumstances should they occur.

There is another point. The spokesperson would not have used the word "coup"" unless US intelligence gathering agencies had not picked up communications from relevant players about that subject.

[timewilltell]

And this from the country where George Bush was elected despite huge question marks over the legitimacy of the Florida, votes that were not counted and his relatives as Governor and involved in the legal positions that would hear any legal objections? I think the US should keep it's mouth firmly shut about the democratic process.

[ShannonT]

Judicial coup or military coup? I don't see a reference to the military in the statement.

[citizen33]

Have they whispered to their Thai friends that either would trigger the provision of the Foreign Assistance Act, which "restricts assistance to the government of any country whose duly elected head of government is deposed by military coup or decree"? I wouldn't be surprised.