IrishIvan Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Sounds like an opportune moment to get into the liveaboard business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 A number of years back I was having our house re-wired as the wiring was old. The Thai guys who came to do the job seemed to know what they were doing and got stuck into the job. Never having witnessed a Thai guys doing such a job I was interested to see their standard (as it turned out lack of would be more appropriate description). They tried to join cables by twisting the cores together and wanted to run the telephone cable in the same duct as the mains voltage. I did stop them and explained how the job should be done which they managed with a lot of support. I dont know if this is their normal way of working but I hope it isnt for what I experienced is a recipe for disaster. If they adopted the same standards on the dive boats it doesnt surprise me they had a fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianP Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I thought some one made fondue on the deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Sounds like an opportune moment to get into the liveaboard businessJust take into account, and that is one of the major problems, you will have to make your income for a full year in only half a year.Sent from my D90W using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmitch Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 The answer to why so many boats are sinking is easy. Too many boats and few customers makes for a sweet insurance claim. Who is going to go searching for a boat when no one knows where its exact position is. "Insurance jobs" generally don't happen when a boat (or any other business come to that) is full of customers). Every time there's a fire in Thailand someone comes up with this mantra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishIvan Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Heat activated sprinkler systems in the engine room would do you much more good than a smoke detector whilst everyones asleep Good way to either electrocute people, or, sink a boat. No boats use water sprinkler systems in an engine room and all engine room systems are manually activated. This is because they use carbon dioxide (previously Halon) and the engine room must be evacuated before the CO2 system is activated. Ivan, I think you're qualified to be a Thai safety officer. So how about i go down into the engine room of the ship I am on now, and get a few photos of the sprinkler systems AND fire hoses that are placed all around the engine room. Yes they have CO2 but that is only used when all other systems fail. Its a last resort. Stick to what you know best which is oil rigs and not boats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) @Ivan, I don't work on rigs. Have been on boats 38 years. They may have water hoses but NO engine room has an automatic water sprinkler system. Go ask your chief engineer. An IR knows sweet FA. Edited February 13, 2014 by KarenBravo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jocko Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) Heat activated sprinkler systems in the engine room would do you much more good than a smoke detector whilst everyones asleep Good way to either electrocute people, or, sink a boat. No boats use water sprinkler systems in an engine room and all engine room systems are manually activated. This is because they use carbon dioxide (previously Halon) and the engine room must be evacuated before the CO2 system is activated. Ivan, I think you're qualified to be a Thai safety officer. So how about i go down into the engine room of the ship I am on now, and get a few photos of the sprinkler systems AND fire hoses that are placed all around the engine room.Yes they have CO2 but that is only used when all other systems fail. Its a last resort. Stick to what you know best which is oil rigs and not boats Fires on ships are put out with sea water I know, I was on one that had a big fire Oil rig fires are also put out with sea water how could a tank of CO2 put out a big fire. But the engine room can be isolated and CO2 puts out the fire. You hope. Edited February 13, 2014 by jocko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) I am talking about fixed fire fighting systems that put out engine room fires which is what Ivan first started to talk about, All of these are manually initiated. No point having it automatically start for a fire in a waste bin that can be put out with a water hose, or, extinguisher. The sprinklers that Ivan has spotted will be foam, also manually initiated, but, there will be a CO2 in addition whereby the engine room is sealed. I repeat, there are no automatic water sprinkler systems in engine rooms. Think about it. It's quite logical. Edited February 13, 2014 by KarenBravo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishIvan Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Hang on, you were the one that said water couldnt be used in engine rooms. Now you are saying it can be. Yes on commercial ships there are no heat activated sprinklers, I never said they were. I just said they have sprinkler systems on ships/tenders. But on tankers there are heat activated sprinklers in pump rooms etc. Anyway as this thread is about smaller dive boats I will stick to the topic. I was suggesting that heat operated sprinklers on small commercial live aboards might be the answer. Who said I was an IR? Im a crane op, same union. You might get paid for what you know, but i get paid for who I know @Ivan, I don't work on rigs. Have been on boats 38 years. They may have water hoses but NO engine room has an automatic water sprinkler system. Go ask your chief engineer. An IR knows sweet FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) Righto. (I said no water sprinkler system, not, no water). Edited February 13, 2014 by KarenBravo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 The answer to why so many boats are sinking is easy. Too many boats and few customers makes for a sweet insurance claim. Who is going to go searching for a boat when no one knows where its exact position is. "Insurance jobs" generally don't happen when a boat (or any other business come to that) is full of customers). Every time there's a fire in Thailand someone comes up with this mantra. On top of that, for an insurance job the possession of adequate insurance is a requirement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belg Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 thailand should have a submarine base, at least, those boats are already submurged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 What they need are properly qualified marine auditors that can't be bought. We all know what the chances of that happening is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishIvan Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) Righto. (I said no water sprinkler system, not, no water). No you said "Good way to either electrocute people, or, sink a boat. " Thank god you arent down the engine room Edited February 13, 2014 by IrishIvan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Whatever Ivan...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socksy01 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Hub for sinking boats...sorry couldn't resist as I love these hub jokes. Seriously though I'm glad all have been rescued. Think it should be sub not hub. Should be good for divers in the future the amount of wreck sites they will be able to explore and also for sea anglers. Must be like a ship's graveyard down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybuz Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 i'm no expert but on all commercial boats in Australia where i live the engine rooms have halon systems.not my word but ex brother in law marine surveyor for state government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishIvan Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 i'm no expert but on all commercial boats in Australia where i live the engine rooms have halon systems.not my word but ex brother in law marine surveyor for state government CO2 now mate, they are phasing out halon as its harmful to the environment/ozone layer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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