Bangkok: NSC blames Phan Fa Bridge violence on third party

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NSC blames violence on third party

BANGKOK, 19 February 2014 (NNT) – According to the National Security Council (NSC), the violence that took place on Tuesday during police operation to retake public areas was triggered by a third party intervention.

NSC Secretary General Lt Gen Paradorn Pattanathabutr affirmed that the riot police did not use any live bullets or lethal weapons against the anti-government protesters during Tuesday’s operation, but the violent incidents that claimed 4 lives and 66 injuries were instigated by an unknown group, adding that the police are now investigating the matter.

Lt Gen Paradorn reiterated that the frontline police were only carrying crowd control equipment which included batons and shields, while admitting that the backup units did have weapons to deal with shooting incidents. He also expressed his personal belief that if the guns had actually been used by the police, it would have been only to help the frontline unit pull back or in a rescue mission only.

He went on to express his satisfaction with Tuesday’s operation, saying it went according to plans as police officers were able to reclaim areas around the Ministry of Energy.

nnt]2014-02-19[/nnt]

[TVGerry]

Yeah 4 dead and it's a 'third party'. Your police were armed and they shot the protestors. Why can't you admit it? Your 'personal beliefs' mean nothing since you're just as dishonest as the masters you serve.

[Tatsujin]

NSC Secretary General Lt Gen Paradorn Pattanathabutr affirmed that the riot police did not use any live bullets or lethal weapons against the anti-government protesters . . . He also expressed his personal belief that if the guns had actually been used by the police, it would have been only to help the frontline unit pull back or in a rescue mission only.

So, definitely no live bullets or lethal weapons used by the Police, except maybe they were but he's not sure.

If you look at the numerous pictures going around it's quite obvious that the Police WERE using live bullets AND lethal weapons including handguns, assault and sniper rifles, same as whoever the "third party" might have been. I won't speculate who fired the first shots, video's also seem to clear that one up.

[Prbkk]

Yeah 4 dead and it's a 'third party'. Your police were armed and they shot the protestors. Why can't you admit it? Your 'personal beliefs' mean nothing since you're just as dishonest as the masters you serve.

Why does Thailand attract so many farang conspiracy theorists? Next it will be sightings of Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa having lunch in Thong Lor

[than]

It's so far declaration of Chalerm and Surapong that said protester fire on themself.........

They a lot of pictures and clip show police fire with M16 in direction of protester (thanks to foreign media)

perhaps it's fake policemen

[siampolee]

Prbkk post # 4

Why does Thailand attract so many farang conspiracy theorists? Next it will be sightings of Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa having lunch in Thong Lor

Well Prbkk you're here and you come up withsome interesting theories.

No doubt those old multi tipple minds of mighty gums Chalerm have been going into binge thinking ( dammed lisp I can't say dr) mode and provoking strange D.T (double take) reactions.

Edited February 19, 2014 by siampolee

[Patpending]

are there no people on the middle ground. are all thais really so polarised.

there seem to be no more voices of reason all of a sudden and I think life under either party, should this be a fight to the death, will be unbearable for us all.

[AleG]

Yeah 4 dead and it's a 'third party'. Your police were armed and they shot the protestors. Why can't you admit it? Your 'personal beliefs' mean nothing since you're just as dishonest as the masters you serve.

Why does Thailand attract so many farang conspiracy theorists? Next it will be sightings of Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa having lunch in Thong Lor

Or people bleating about nefarious elites, judicial coups, protestors bombing themselves, etc, etc...

[binjalin]

Yeah 4 dead and it's a 'third party'. Your police were armed and they shot the protestors. Why can't you admit it? Your 'personal beliefs' mean nothing since you're just as dishonest as the masters you serve.

Why does Thailand attract so many farang conspiracy theorists? Next it will be sightings of Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa having lunch in Thong Lor

Or people bleating about nefarious elites, judicial coups, protestors bombing themselves, etc, etc...

the Ammart is VERY, VERY real and is well known to almost every Thai you talk to and they, dear poster, are behind Suthep's fascist crusade to save the Masters and enslave the people

[dominique355]

Yeah 4 dead and it's a 'third party'. Your police were armed and they shot the protestors. Why can't you admit it? Your 'personal beliefs' mean nothing since you're just as dishonest as the masters you serve.

Why does Thailand attract so many farang conspiracy theorists? Next it will be sightings of Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa having lunch in Thong Lor

Or people bleating about nefarious elites, judicial coups, protestors bombing themselves, etc, etc...

the Ammart is VERY, VERY real and is well known to almost every Thai you talk to and they, dear poster, are behind Suthep's fascist crusade to save the Masters and enslave the people

As real as all the ghosts inhabiting the ghost houses in front of all Thai houses, very very real... jing jing... I saw one.

[Scamper]

" He also expressed his personal belief that if the guns had actually been used by the police, it would have been only to help the frontline unit pull back or in a rescue mission only. "

The reporters on the ground contradict this account implicitly. They reported that the police went in using live ammunition and tear-gas on the protesters.

This police official's quote is worded in a very deceptive way. Why must it be relegated to his " personal belief " ? Does that mean he is simply taking the word of the police ? And why go on to use the word " if " ? If he is sure of his opinion, why would he admit the possibility of an armed response by using the word " if " ? This sentence is on balance a tacit admission.

Edited February 19, 2014 by Scamper

[PatOngo]

Yeah 4 dead and it's a 'third party'. Your police were armed and they shot the protestors. Why can't you admit it? Your 'personal beliefs' mean nothing since you're just as dishonest as the masters you serve.

Why does Thailand attract so many farang conspiracy theorists? Next it will be sightings of Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa having lunch in Thong Lor

Noooo....Surapong called in his martian friends....I have photos of their spacecraft landing near Phan Fa.

[Why ask]

I believe this to carry some weight.

Of course the third party is hard to identify, but seeing as Chalerm was so hell bent on inciting trouble, I am sure he had his snipers out on the roof-tops.

I don't know if anybody noticed, and with due respect, the police officer shot in the HEAD was a squad commander. RIP Sir.

Lucky shot from protestors, to take out a squad commander, and rile his subordinate officers? I think far from luck. To shoot in the head from distance requires sniper accuracy.

There is some truth to this.

Edit: If so, Chalmy had his snipers shoot from roof-tops behind the protestors, to make it look like it was protestors taking out police, and enhance riots. It failed!

Edited February 19, 2014 by Why ask

[Thait Spot]

CNN is reporting that Thai police fired live rounds

Time to charge the CMPO with murder?

Can Tarit slither away once more?

We shall see

[NongKhaiKid]

Here we go again with ' 3rd party ', ' unseen hands ', ' evil spirits ' etc.

On the ' IF ' guns had been used comment, BBC World last night clearly showed police officers firing shotguns. Irrespective of who opened fire first the Lt. Gen is dodging the issue and making a mess of it.

[animatic]

Yeah 4 dead and it's a 'third party'. Your police were armed and they shot the protestors. Why can't you admit it? Your 'personal beliefs' mean nothing since you're just as dishonest as the masters you serve.

Why does Thailand attract so many farang conspiracy theorists? Next it will be sightings of Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa having lunch in Thong Lor

Or people bleating about nefarious elites, judicial coups, protestors bombing themselves, etc, etc...

the Ammart is VERY, VERY real and is well known to almost every Thai you talk to and they, dear poster, are behind Suthep's fascist crusade to save the Masters and enslave the people

Except that faction of the Ammart that is with Thaksin,

and those sections of the Ammart that are with other potential leaderships.

It's not like there is JUST ONE Ammart, and that it is 100% lockstep with the old feudal ideas.

That's one of the problems with Thailand, there are dozens of different cliques all trying to one up their rivals.

[Tompa]

Yeah 4 dead and it's a 'third party'. Your police were armed and they shot the protestors. Why can't you admit it? Your 'personal beliefs' mean nothing since you're just as dishonest as the masters you serve.

Why does Thailand attract so many farang conspiracy theorists? Next it will be sightings of Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa having lunch in Thong Lor

Watch the video and make up your own mind then!

Word of warning! Extremelly graphic!

Edited February 19, 2014 by Tywais
Removed overly graphic video link

[DekDaeng]

I don't know if anybody noticed, and with due respect, the police officer shot in the HEAD was a squad commander. RIP Sir.

2010 all again

[h90]

It's so far declaration of Chalerm and Surapong that said protester fire on themself.........

They a lot of pictures and clip show police fire with M16 in direction of protester (thanks to foreign media)

perhaps it's fake policemen

And they were well mixed within the normal policemen....Maybe all the policemen were fake 3rd party policemen.

And Chalerm didn't tell to attack them...It was a fake Chalerm

[OZEMADE]

It's so far declaration of Chalerm and Surapong that said protester fire on themself.........

They a lot of pictures and clip show police fire with M16 in direction of protester (thanks to foreign media)

perhaps it's fake policemen

And they were well mixed within the normal policemen....Maybe all the policemen were fake 3rd party policemen.

And Chalerm didn't tell to attack them...It was a fake Chalerm

MMmmmmm the Men in Black all over. So 5 yrs later nothing has changed, life is nothing in Thailand. Thai on Thai over Power to run the country.

[jonclark]

Yeah 4 dead and it's a 'third party'. Your police were armed and they shot the protestors. Why can't you admit it? Your 'personal beliefs' mean nothing since you're just as dishonest as the masters you serve.

Why does Thailand attract so many farang conspiracy theorists? Next it will be sightings of Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa having lunch in Thong Lor

Watch the video and make up your own mind then!

Word of warning! Extremelly graphic!

Watching that video we are reminded of the fragility of life, often hidden behind the bravado, bluster and posturing of the idiots who sit in their ivory towers.

One man - someones father, someones son. Gone, so sad.

[thesetat2013]

Funny i saw pixs in msn.com.us the front runner police. They were lined up pointing shotguns and the Rueters reporter on scene stated the police were using LIVE ammunition.

This is a mute point being that THIS TIME the protests were on public grounds as stated in this headline which makes their protest protected by their constitution and also makes any violence against them illegal. That makes the CMPO and everbody that attacked these protesters a criminal and responsible for any violence that took place there.

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[TVGerry]

Yeah 4 dead and it's a 'third party'. Your police were armed and they shot the protestors. Why can't you admit it? Your 'personal beliefs' mean nothing since you're just as dishonest as the masters you serve.

Why does Thailand attract so many farang conspiracy theorists? Next it will be sightings of Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa having lunch in Thong Lor

Police fighting protestors. Both sides were shooting at each other. Police blame unnamed 'third party' who shot dead protestors. Yeah conspiracy theory.

[TVGerry]

Yeah 4 dead and it's a 'third party'. Your police were armed and they shot the protestors. Why can't you admit it? Your 'personal beliefs' mean nothing since you're just as dishonest as the masters you serve.

Why does Thailand attract so many farang conspiracy theorists? Next it will be sightings of Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa having lunch in Thong Lor

Or people bleating about nefarious elites, judicial coups, protestors bombing themselves, etc, etc...

the Ammart is VERY, VERY real and is well known to almost every Thai you talk to and they, dear poster, are behind Suthep's fascist crusade to save the Masters and enslave the people

LOL! Here we go again with the 'well known Ammarts' who can't even be named! Talk about conspiracy theorists!

[maxme]

Yeah 4 dead and it's a 'third party'. Your police were armed and they shot the protestors. Why can't you admit it? Your 'personal beliefs' mean nothing since you're just as dishonest as the masters you serve.

Why does Thailand attract so many farang conspiracy theorists? Next it will be sightings of Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa having lunch in Thong Lor

Forget that for a moment and ask instead why they whine about people calling their friends thugs but resort to name calling of government officials and posters who do not agree with them. Some of these threads have been hi-jacked by school yard bullies who more than often contradict themselves.

One can disagree with opinions of posters or Thai officials without resorting to personal insults and name calling.

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[AleG]

Yeah 4 dead and it's a 'third party'. Your police were armed and they shot the protestors. Why can't you admit it? Your 'personal beliefs' mean nothing since you're just as dishonest as the masters you serve.

Why does Thailand attract so many farang conspiracy theorists? Next it will be sightings of Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa having lunch in Thong Lor

Or people bleating about nefarious elites, judicial coups, protestors bombing themselves, etc, etc...

the Ammart is VERY, VERY real and is well known to almost every Thai you talk to and they, dear poster, are behind Suthep's fascist crusade to save the Masters and enslave the people

Q.E.D

[rubl]

Yeah 4 dead and it's a 'third party'. Your police were armed and they shot the protestors. Why can't you admit it? Your 'personal beliefs' mean nothing since you're just as dishonest as the masters you serve.

Why does Thailand attract so many farang conspiracy theorists? Next it will be sightings of Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa having lunch in Thong Lor

A hollow, ethereal sound as a voice from the dead could be heard, almost in reminiscing that fateful April, 10th 2010 with it's similar mysteries, "no one saw me".

[icommunity]

Third party again. Who are these people that makes the third party? The RS/UDD have been on low profile. They know they cannot fight the judges and officials of independence agencies. They know they cannot fight the military tanks and their war weapons. I don't think they want to give 'weapons' to the military, judges, officials of independence agencies and the sufferers of Thaksinitis and Thaksinphobics.

I suggest NSC should focus more on getting at the 'third party.'

[Katipo]

Yeah 4 dead and it's a 'third party'. Your police were armed and they shot the protestors. Why can't you admit it? Your 'personal beliefs' mean nothing since you're just as dishonest as the masters you serve.

Why does Thailand attract so many farang conspiracy theorists? Next it will be sightings of Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa having lunch in Thong Lor

I agree that there are plenty of conspiracy theorists on here, as well as those 'lao khao' soaked farangs without anything much better to do. In this case however I think the conspiracy is the existence of 'unknown third parties'. Someone knows full well who they are, and someone is controlling them. It just seems to convenient to blame them for all the atrocities and violence carried out since 2010.

[JohanB]

This photo came up in Facebook yesterday.

I don't know the origin or circumstance of the incident it was taken.

It´s sure a professional sniper gun he´s carrying. Similar to a Remongton M24.

Can somebody give more info of it?