PM Yingluck, military leaders discuss army reshuffle

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PM, military leaders discuss army reshuffle



BANGKOK, 8 March 2014 (NNT) – Prime Minister and Defense Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has met with military top brass to discuss military reshuffling. It has been confirmed that the government did not meddle in the list.

Permanent Secretary for Defense General Nipat Thonglek revealed that Miss Yingluck had recently met with military leaders, including Supreme Commander Thanasak Patimaprakorn, Army Chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha, and Navy Commander Admiral Narong Pipatanasai. The meeting was mainly focused on military reshuffle list.

According to the Defense permanent secretary, the list has already been completed without any political intervention as the prime minister had left the decision solely to the military.

General Nipat will submit the final reshuffle list to the Election Commission (EC) for an endorsement. The EC is expected to take up to a week or 5 working days to render its decision.


-- NNT 2014-03-08

[kurtgruen]

Re-shuffling the Armed Forces was tried before. Last time, there was a coup shortly after.

The most stupid thing this Government did was having Red MP's stand up and support breaking Thailand up. Then, Yingluck did not condemn it for several days. So now, if the Military decides to take on the Red guys, they will be seen as "taking the high road", by protecting the Nation and keeping it together. The Reds and this Government screwed themselves big time!

[ChrisY1]

"According to the Defense permanent secretary, the list has already been completed without any political intervention as the prime minister had left the decision solely to the military."

Also due in part to the fact that she doesn't know what the annual military shuffle means......

[Scamper]

It is decidedly creepy at this point to the extent that the ex-prime minister is going through the motions, and especially ironic that she is overseeing the mechanisms of what many in the Pheu Thai party feel to hold the trump card - the army. This " show " that Yingluck was engaged in comes at a time when Pheu Thai's relations with the army could not possibly be more strained. With the threat of the secession movement being fueled within the UDD, and with the army's anxieties over it being met with studious lack of action or concern by Yingluck and her former ministers - one of whom - Charupong - actually endorsed the UDD platform, which included secession - Prayuth must feel increasingly uncomfortable. The thoughts that must have swirling around the minds of those in that room must have been in jarring contrast to what was said.

[h90]

"According to the Defense permanent secretary, the list has already been completed without any political intervention as the prime minister had left the decision solely to the military."

Also due in part to the fact that she doesn't know what the annual military shuffle means......

Maybe she is on diet at the moment, or simply doesn't like sufle. The military one is the green one, or?

No I think the military and the PM is dealing fair and make decisions together, up to their abilities. Yingluck is choose the curtains and flowers for the bunkers in Bangkok. Prayut is taking care of the much more boring things like the shuffle.

[djjamie]

Seems that in her capacity as defense minister she has as much input as she did in her capacity as chairman for the rice committee and as much capacity as she has had as the PM.

NONE!

She knows the water level of the Mekong river at Mukdahan though and she even offered her immense wisdom in telling people to do their job efficiently.

[kurtgruen]

It is decidedly creepy at this point to the extent that the ex-prime minister is going through the motions, and especially ironic that she is overseeing the mechanisms of what many in the Pheu Thai party feel to hold the trump card - the army. This " show " that Yingluck was engaged in comes at a time when Pheu Thai's relations with the army could not possibly be more strained. With the threat of the secession movement being fueled within the UDD, and with the army's anxieties over it being met with studious lack of action or concern by Yingluck and her former ministers - one of whom - Charupong - actually endorsed the UDD platform, which included secession - Prayuth must feel increasingly uncomfortable. The thoughts that must have swirling around the minds of those in that room must have been in jarring contrast to what was said.

I have a feeling that some a big part of the army is in her camp, but the Navy and Air Force on the other side, which makes the situation quite delicate. Remember, how Thaksin tried to eliminate the office of the Prem, before the last coup and how he put people that supported him in a position of power, in the Army. He didn't succeed the last time, but he has had a few years to stack the military deck more in his favor. Only time will tell, I guess.

[Goat Roper]

It is decidedly creepy at this point to the extent that the ex-prime minister is going through the motions, and especially ironic that she is overseeing the mechanisms of what many in the Pheu Thai party feel to hold the trump card - the army. This " show " that Yingluck was engaged in comes at a time when Pheu Thai's relations with the army could not possibly be more strained. With the threat of the secession movement being fueled within the UDD, and with the army's anxieties over it being met with studious lack of action or concern by Yingluck and her former ministers - one of whom - Charupong - actually endorsed the UDD platform, which included secession - Prayuth must feel increasingly uncomfortable. The thoughts that must have swirling around the minds of those in that room must have been in jarring contrast to what was said.

I have a feeling that some a big part of the army is in her camp, but the Navy and Air Force on the other side, which makes the situation quite delicate. Remember, how Thaksin tried to eliminate the office of the Prem, before the last coup and how he put people that supported him in a position of power, in the Army. He didn't succeed the last time, but he has had a few years to stack the military deck more in his favor. Only time will tell, I guess.

YL and her brother are confident this government will weather the storm and will be able to run out their term in office. I will guess that they will. Thais love money more than they love country or anything(one) else.

[ramrod711]

Did the military leaders have to fly north for this meeting or did Yingluck decide to return to the scene of her crimes.

[PepperMe]

Strange how YL after only having arrived back in the north, suddenly has to fly back to BKK because of this.

And they are saying that she has not been meddling?.... yeah right.

[siampolee]

ChrisY1 post # 3

Also due in part to the fact that she doesn't know what the annual military shuffle means.....

She probably thinks that the '' annual military shuffle'' is something like that old dance her brother has her doing ''A Foxtrot'' or possibly''The Lancers.

...

Edited March 8, 2014 by siampolee

[cloudhopper]

"According to the Defense permanent secretary, the list has already been completed without any political intervention as the prime minister had left the decision solely to the military."

Also due in part to the fact that she doesn't know what the annual military shuffle means......

So please enlighten me as to the true meaning of the annual military shuffle. ta

[Mudcrab]

PM, military leaders discuss army reshuffle

While most of the guard of honour in the photo check out her arse shuffling.

If it was the BIB no doubt they would be pointing as well!

Edited March 8, 2014 by Mudcrab

[TheReporter]

As always, Thailand has a weird way of taking care of its internal affairs that raise more suspicions than public acceptance. Many of the secretive methods of doing business only make one wonder why Thailand has the highest military coup of all when the country is reasonably peaceful or without a war for quite somet ime.

[bigbamboo]

ChrisY1 post # 3

Also due in part to the fact that she doesn't know what the annual military shuffle means.....

She probably thinks that the '' annual military shuffle'' is something like that old dance her brother has her doing ''A Foxtrot'' or possibly''The Lancers.

...

Are you sure that wasn't Chalerm in disguise trying to order a drink in the bar...?

[tezzainoz]

when will member of this group wake up to the fact she is no longer the Thai PM

PM Yingluck, military leaders discuss army reshuffle

she is the caretaker

[Publicus]

From the royalist OP:

It has been confirmed that the government did not meddle in the list.

Imagine a democracy in which the leader of the elected civilian government involved itself in deciding who shall be the commanders of its military forces !

[PaullyW]

Gorgeous pic of K. Poo

[Tchooptip]

"According to the Defense permanent secretary, the list has already been completed without any political intervention as the prime minister had left the decision solely to the military."

Also due in part to the fact that she doesn't know what the annual military shuffle means......

Maybe she is on diet at the moment, or simply doesn't like sufle. The military one is the green one, or?

No I think the military and the PM is dealing fair and make decisions together, up to their abilities. Yingluck is choose the curtains and flowers for the bunkers in Bangkok. Prayut is taking care of the much more boring things like the shuffle.

Ridiculous ...but since you admit you'r a crazy member you are forgiven

[surangw]

in other words time shake the cat litter box so the turds rise to the top.

[h90]

"According to the Defense permanent secretary, the list has already been completed without any political intervention as the prime minister had left the decision solely to the military."

Also due in part to the fact that she doesn't know what the annual military shuffle means......

Maybe she is on diet at the moment, or simply doesn't like sufle. The military one is the green one, or?

No I think the military and the PM is dealing fair and make decisions together, up to their abilities. Yingluck is choose the curtains and flowers for the bunkers in Bangkok. Prayut is taking care of the much more boring things like the shuffle.

Ridiculous ...but since you admit you'r a crazy member you are forgiven

[3NUMBAS]

would that be the '5 knuckle shuffle' theyre talking about ?

[Publicus]

when will member of this group wake up to the fact she is no longer the Thai PM

PM Yingluck, military leaders discuss army reshuffle

she is the caretaker

Caretaker what?

Yingluck is the caretaker prime minister of Thailand, PM of the government of the Kingdom of Thailand.

Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck shown in the OP is reviewing the royal Thai military guard of honor that is saluting their prime minister and caretaker minister of defense.

Same as with each PM before her and every PM after her.

The OP says she wasn't able to "meddle" in the incest driven military reshuffle, as it's called in Thailand, the appointment of the next group of commanders of the armed forces. Thai military commanders exclusively appoint their own successors. That too will end, just not yet.

Yingluck has seen the list and now the word is out. Who knows what happens next.

[bigbamboo]

when will member of this group wake up to the fact she is no longer the Thai PM

PM Yingluck, military leaders discuss army reshuffle

she is the caretaker

Caretaker what?

Yingluck is the caretaker prime minister of Thailand, PM of the government of the Kingdom of Thailand.

Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck shown in the OP is reviewing the royal Thai military guard of honor that is saluting their prime minister and caretaker minister of defense.

Same as with each PM before her and every PM after her.

The OP says she wasn't able to "meddle" in the incest driven military reshuffle, as it's called in Thailand, the appointment of the next group of commanders of the armed forces. Thai military commanders exclusively appoint their own successors. That too will end, just not yet.

Yingluck has seen the list and now the word is out. Who knows what happens next.

Come on, repeat what you see not what you think.

The OP actually said that the (caretaker) PM left the decision to the military not that she wasn't able to meddle as you put it. Most likely it was because she had been instructed not to do so by her brother.

If you remember there was a time when the PM did meddle with reshuffle and a certain Gen. Shinawat was given a fast track promotion to Supreme Commander. That didn't go down at all well.

A lesson learned perhaps.

Edited March 8, 2014 by bigbamboo

[Publicus]

when will member of this group wake up to the fact she is no longer the Thai PM

PM Yingluck, military leaders discuss army reshuffle

she is the caretaker

Caretaker what?

Yingluck is the caretaker prime minister of Thailand, PM of the government of the Kingdom of Thailand.

Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck shown in the OP is reviewing the royal Thai military guard of honor that is saluting their prime minister and caretaker minister of defense.

Same as with each PM before her and every PM after her.

The OP says she wasn't able to "meddle" in the incest driven military reshuffle, as it's called in Thailand, the appointment of the next group of commanders of the armed forces. Thai military commanders exclusively appoint their own successors. That too will end, just not yet.

Yingluck has seen the list and now the word is out. Who knows what happens next.

Come on, repeat what you see not what you think.

The OP actually said that the (caretaker) PM left the decision to the military not that she wasn't able to meddle as you put it. Most likely it was because she had been instructed not to do so by her brother.

If you remember there was a time when the PM did meddle with reshuffle and a certain Gen. Shinawat was given a fast track promotion to Supreme Commander. That didn't go down at all well.

A lesson learned perhaps.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Thaksin trying to circumvent the inherently flawed incestuous system of the senior military commanders of the armed forces choosing successor senior commanders is an example of how two wrongs don't make a right, which is a lesson all Thais need to learn, immediately if not sooner.

Elected civilian authority in a democracy doesn't "meddle" in determining who the commanders of the armed forces will be, which is a point you and the feudal farang at TVF entirely miss.

In a functioning and successful democracy the elected civilian authority chooses who the armed forces commanders will be. In the United States for instance the commander in chief, the president, nominates his choices and constitutionally must submit their names to the fully elected Senate for its disposition.

In the U.S. the promotion of any and every military officer of all of the armed forces must be voted on by the Congress in each and every instance, always.

In Thailand the elected civilian authority is excluded from the process and the decisions. This is a constitutional failure that extends back scores of decades and is the root of all evil concerning the nearly 20 coup d'état military mutinies since 1932, either successful mutinies or unsuccessful ones.

The Thai English language vernacular of "meddle" in the military's incestuous practice of scores of decades to choose its own successors independent and entirely beyond the jurisdiction of the elected civilian national authority is one of the fundamental reasons for the chaos that has dominated Thai society and life throughout its efforts to establish a viable democracy.

Separating the appointment - or the removal - of the military high command from the jurisdiction of the elected civilian authority has had bloody consequences for the Thai people. Feudalists call civilian control of the military "meddling."

[JRSoul]

Two wrongs don't make a right. Thaksin trying to circumvent the inherently flawed incestuous system of the senior military commanders of the armed forces choosing successor senior commanders is an example of how two wrongs don't make a right, which is a lesson all Thais need to learn, immediately if not sooner.

Elected civilian authority in a democracy doesn't "meddle" in determining who the commanders of the armed forces will be, which is a point you and the feudal farang at TVF entirely miss.

In a functioning and successful democracy the elected civilian authority chooses who the armed forces commanders will be. In the United States for instance the commander in chief, the president, nominates his choices and constitutionally must submit their names to the fully elected Senate for its disposition.

In the U.S. the promotion of any and every military officer of all of the armed forces must be voted on by the Congress in each and every instance, always.

In Thailand the elected civilian authority is excluded from the process and the decisions. This is a constitutional failure that extends back scores of decades and is the root of all evil concerning the nearly 20 coup d'état military mutinies since 1932, either successful mutinies or unsuccessful ones.

The Thai English language vernacular of "meddle" in the military's incestuous practice of scores of decades to choose its own successors independent and entirely beyond the jurisdiction of the elected civilian national authority is one of the fundamental reasons for the chaos that has dominated Thai society and life throughout its efforts to establish a viable democracy.

Separating the appointment - or the removal - of the military high command from the jurisdiction of the elected civilian authority has had bloody consequences for the Thai people. Feudalists call civilian control of the military "meddling."

And if the rest of the world can't do things the same way as the USA, they must be wrong. Many countries don't have a fully elected senate, or even dog-catchers, and are rated as equally or more democratic than the US.

Amazing that you qualify a statement with "In a functioning and successful democracy...." and then go on to apply it to Thailand. While you admit that Thaksin was wrong to apply his nepotistic style of government to the military, you denigrate the one check system that stopped him gaining control of the one of the few remaining independent agencies, the one that stopped him defying the head of state and unilaterally re-installing himself as PM.

Edited March 8, 2014 by JRSoul

[Stone Inscription 1]

"According to the Defense permanent secretary, the list has already been completed without any political intervention as the prime minister had left the decision solely to the military."

Also due in part to the fact that she doesn't know what the annual military shuffle means......

This is a ridiculous comment. Of course she knows what it means, and in this delicate situation it is not for the Prime Minister to interfere in the decision making. Unlike you, she knows exactly what she is doing and why.

[JAG]

I am led to believe (yes chaps, a simple soul like me has high level connections), that what happens is that all the generals assemble in a large room, there are a lot of them so one assumes that it is a jolly big room. There are the same number of chairs available as there are jobs coming vacant. These chairs are evenly spread around the room, but here is the cunning bit, none of the participants know which post goes with which chair!

There they stand, in their tightest uniforms, lights glinting off their laminated medal ribbons. The music starts, they start to dance, faster and faster until suddenly, the music stops. They rush to sit down, those who cannot find a seat are retired. Then the jobs are revealed to the successful candidates.

This system was adopted as it avoids corruption, or indeed merit having any bearing on the appointments.

To return to the topic, Yingluck was offered the chance to operate the gramaphone player, but declined as she believed that many Farang commentators on Thai Visa would accuse her of meddling!

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Edited March 8, 2014 by JAG

[473geo]

The point being that Suthep has caused a bit of a situation, there are people who have been calling for a very different future for Thailand than an unelected peoples council in Bangkok!

The military would obviously appreciate having ally who may be able to influence these radicals and dampen their fervour for the suggested solution, in order to diffuse potential internal conflict

That person is not Suthep! So back to the drawing board.....

Edited March 8, 2014 by 473geo

[Publicus]

Two wrongs don't make a right. Thaksin trying to circumvent the inherently flawed incestuous system of the senior military commanders of the armed forces choosing successor senior commanders is an example of how two wrongs don't make a right, which is a lesson all Thais need to learn, immediately if not sooner.

Elected civilian authority in a democracy doesn't "meddle" in determining who the commanders of the armed forces will be, which is a point you and the feudal farang at TVF entirely miss.

In a functioning and successful democracy the elected civilian authority chooses who the armed forces commanders will be. In the United States for instance the commander in chief, the president, nominates his choices and constitutionally must submit their names to the fully elected Senate for its disposition.

In the U.S. the promotion of any and every military officer of all of the armed forces must be voted on by the Congress in each and every instance, always.

In Thailand the elected civilian authority is excluded from the process and the decisions. This is a constitutional failure that extends back scores of decades and is the root of all evil concerning the nearly 20 coup d'état military mutinies since 1932, either successful mutinies or unsuccessful ones.

The Thai English language vernacular of "meddle" in the military's incestuous practice of scores of decades to choose its own successors independent and entirely beyond the jurisdiction of the elected civilian national authority is one of the fundamental reasons for the chaos that has dominated Thai society and life throughout its efforts to establish a viable democracy.

Separating the appointment - or the removal - of the military high command from the jurisdiction of the elected civilian authority has had bloody consequences for the Thai people. Feudalists call civilian control of the military "meddling."

And if the rest of the world can't do things the same way as the USA, they must be wrong. Many countries don't have a fully elected senate, or even dog-catchers, and are rated as equally or more democratic than the US.

Amazing that you qualify a statement with "In a functioning and successful democracy...." and then go on to apply it to Thailand. While you admit that Thaksin was wrong to apply his nepotistic style of government to the military, you denigrate the one check system that stopped him gaining control of the one of the few remaining independent agencies, the one that stopped him defying the head of state and unilaterally re-installing himself as PM.

Some posters here have some character and time of active military service perhaps to include yourself. Those who have worn the uniform know a nation's military is an honorable institution so it accordingly has no place to conduct a military mutiny against legitimately elected civilian national authority, ie, the government. It is a principle of modern democracy that the military is subject to civilian command and control. The United States is in this respect but one of a relatively small number of perfect examples globally of this character and nature of democracy.

A military mutiny coup d'état is impermissible in a democracy, immoral, illegal, illegitimate, always to be rejected, in the absolute. Those in the U.S government who may have involved themselves in some past military mutinies abroad either have been punished in some way or deserve to be punished severely if they already have not been taken to task for their evil deed(s). The United States has prevented or precluded a number of foreign military mutinies or punished others accordingly.

The Thai military is dishonorable for its long and ignoble history of military mutinies against its own government. Due to the long record of shameless military coups in Thailand, the Thai military has earned the approbation it deserves both internationally and domestically. The belief in the viability or the sanctity of military mutiny as a principle of society, and as an acceptable legal or moral practice, is a perversion of both justice and democratic government / governance.

Fortunately, the Thai military is presently showing it has learned something from its long history of past violations of the public good and the public weal, as it has restrained itself from being drawn into its historic role as the fascist Suthep and his feudal backers would have liked and did try to incite. Those who would continue to use the military as their instrument toward establishing a new fascist order have thus far been frustrated by the new view the military has of itself in Thai society, which is of a neutral force that is resisting being used directly to repress the Thai people.

Two wrongs don't make a right, which means malfeasance in government does not justify military mutiny against it. So long as anyone supports the deranged cultural principle that two wrongs make a right, and that five wrongs make it even more right, no wrongs will ever be made right.