Missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search

[bkkjames]

Interesting read this..

KUALA LUMPUR, March 11 (Bernama) -- No one can travel to China without its prior approval, and it was on this basis that the 239 people, including the two passengers using stolen passports, were cleared to board Malaysia Airlines' Flight MH370 at the KL International Airport for Beijing early Saturday.

The Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) has two control measures in place, the first being at the check-in counter at the foreign airport where a flight originates.

The airline staff manning the counter needs to enter a passenger's passport details into the Advance Passenger Information System (APIS) where the particulars will be checked against China's Stop List.

This is a list of people whom the Chinese authorities bar from boarding aircraft bound for any destination in the republic for reasons best known to the authorities there, according to a travel industry source.

The second control measure is upon arrival in China, where the passports and the passengers again come under scrutiny before being allowed into the country, he added.

"This means the CAAC cleared the MH370 passengers and crew to fly to China last Friday night even before Malaysian authorities got to check their passports," he told Bernama.

http://www.mysinchew.com/node/96477

[mcfester]

Live on CNN

19 year old Iranian traveling on one of the stolen passport, arrived on 28th of Feb into Malaysia, stamped in ( not likely terrorists , trying to migrate to Germany)

????

1. If it was highjacked, where did it land an why no demands

2. sabotage; then there looking in the wrong place

3. Personal problems between crew and or passengers??

4. Psychological problems ( gives the scenario that one of the passengers brought a huge insurance policy an

and more side stepping and evasive answers.

Another (remote) possibility to account for sudden loss of communication and disappearance from radar:

5. struck by a missile or a tiny asteroid

Not so remote, a BAE expert confirmed on BBC in a situation like this they do actually presume the impossible, right down from alien intervention to terroist attack.

An asteriod strike is feasable, especially a small object, hence no debris, takes out aircraft power and comms, pilots ditch in sea intact, aircraft sinks.

[laolover88]

Interesting read this..

KUALA LUMPUR, March 11 (Bernama) -- No one can travel to China without its prior approval, and it was on this basis that the 239 people, including the two passengers using stolen passports, were cleared to board Malaysia Airlines' Flight MH370 at the KL International Airport for Beijing early Saturday.

The Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) has two control measures in place, the first being at the check-in counter at the foreign airport where a flight originates.

The airline staff manning the counter needs to enter a passenger's passport details into the Advance Passenger Information System (APIS) where the particulars will be checked against China's Stop List.

This is a list of people whom the Chinese authorities bar from boarding aircraft bound for any destination in the republic for reasons best known to the authorities there, according to a travel industry source.

The second control measure is upon arrival in China, where the passports and the passengers again come under scrutiny before being allowed into the country, he added.

"This means the CAAC cleared the MH370 passengers and crew to fly to China last Friday night even before Malaysian authorities got to check their passports," he told Bernama.

But this says and I quote China has recently relaxed regulations for transit passengers and these 2 would not have ' entered' China?

http://www.mysinchew.com/node/96477

[bkkjames]

Live on CNN

19 year old Iranian traveling on one of the stolen passport, arrived on 28th of Feb into Malaysia, stamped in ( not likely terrorists , trying to migrate to Germany)

????

1. If it was highjacked, where did it land an why no demands

2. sabotage; then there looking in the wrong place

3. Personal problems between crew and or passengers??

4. Psychological problems ( gives the scenario that one of the passengers brought a huge insurance policy an

and more side stepping and evasive answers.

Another (remote) possibility to account for sudden loss of communication and disappearance from radar:

5. struck by a missile or a tiny asteroid

Not so remote, a BAE expert confirmed on BBC in a situation like this they do actually presume the impossible, right down from alien intervention to terroist attack.

An asteriod strike is feasable, especially a small object, hence no debris, takes out aircraft power and comms, pilots ditch in sea intact, aircraft sinks.

Ok, so when I a small meteor hits your plane at 35000 feet and when you ditch at 0 feet, surely the pilots has time to declare an emergency?

[bkkjames]

Interesting read this..

KUALA LUMPUR, March 11 (Bernama) -- No one can travel to China without its prior approval, and it was on this basis that the 239 people, including the two passengers using stolen passports, were cleared to board Malaysia Airlines' Flight MH370 at the KL International Airport for Beijing early Saturday.

The Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) has two control measures in place, the first being at the check-in counter at the foreign airport where a flight originates.

The airline staff manning the counter needs to enter a passenger's passport details into the Advance Passenger Information System (APIS) where the particulars will be checked against China's Stop List.

This is a list of people whom the Chinese authorities bar from boarding aircraft bound for any destination in the republic for reasons best known to the authorities there, according to a travel industry source.

The second control measure is upon arrival in China, where the passports and the passengers again come under scrutiny before being allowed into the country, he added.

"This means the CAAC cleared the MH370 passengers and crew to fly to China last Friday night even before Malaysian authorities got to check their passports," he told Bernama.

But this says and I quote China has recently relaxed regulations for transit passengers and these 2 would not have ' entered' China?

http://www.mysinchew.com/node/96477

yea all mixed messages,,,, were the 20 IT guys connecting onwards?

[mcfester]

Interesting read this..

KUALA LUMPUR, March 11 (Bernama) -- No one can travel to China without its prior approval, and it was on this basis that the 239 people, including the two passengers using stolen passports, were cleared to board Malaysia Airlines' Flight MH370 at the KL International Airport for Beijing early Saturday.

The Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) has two control measures in place, the first being at the check-in counter at the foreign airport where a flight originates.

The airline staff manning the counter needs to enter a passenger's passport details into the Advance Passenger Information System (APIS) where the particulars will be checked against China's Stop List.

This is a list of people whom the Chinese authorities bar from boarding aircraft bound for any destination in the republic for reasons best known to the authorities there, according to a travel industry source.

The second control measure is upon arrival in China, where the passports and the passengers again come under scrutiny before being allowed into the country, he added.

"This means the CAAC cleared the MH370 passengers and crew to fly to China last Friday night even before Malaysian authorities got to check their passports," he told Bernama.

http://www.mysinchew.com/node/96477

Stolen passports where on a transfer, not entering China.

The blame on allowing the passports to be used lies with Malaysian immigration not checking the Interpol database.

Anyway, the stolen passports have nothing to do with the plane being missing.

Edited March 11, 2014 by mcfester

[webfact]

MISSING MH 370
Stolen Austrian passport used by Iranian teenage migrant

Kuala Lumpur - One of the two passengers who boarded the missing Malaysia Airlines plane on stolen passports was an Iranian man seeking to relocate to Germany, Malaysian police said Tuesday.

Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad, 19, was travelling on an Austrian passport earlier declared stolen in Thailand, police Inspector General Khalid Abu Bakar said.

Based on consultation with foreign intelligence counterparts, he did not appear to be a member of any terrorist organisation, and was apparently trying to migrate to Germany, Khalid said.


-- The Nation 2014-03-11

[SeaVisionBurma]

Two racist troll posts removed.

[Tywais]

Another theory we have to look at is if the pilots and the passengers lost consciousness due to a sudden pressure change caused by a broken window or a part of the airplane structure .

Highly unlikely. I was reading a study on cabin depressurization and the average of all the recorded events was around 2000 foot per minute change in pressure and a maximum of 7000 foot per minute. The cockpit face mask deployment system and training of the pilots requires the ability to place the mask on in 5 seconds. Even in an explosive decompression such as the Aloha aircraft 243 where it lost a massive section of the fuselage nearly instantly, the pilots were able to don the masks and successfully land the plane. For a slow leak, the mask deployment is automatic if cabin pressure reaches around 14,000 feet.

[Tywais]

Comment on moderation removed.

[kingalfred]

MISSING MH 370

Stolen Austrian passport used by Iranian teenage migrant

Kuala Lumpur - One of the two passengers who boarded the missing Malaysia Airlines plane on stolen passports was an Iranian man seeking to relocate to Germany, Malaysian police said Tuesday.

Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad, 19, was travelling on an Austrian passport earlier declared stolen in Thailand, police Inspector General Khalid Abu Bakar said.

Based on consultation with foreign intelligence counterparts, he did not appear to be a member of any terrorist organisation, and was apparently trying to migrate to Germany, Khalid said.

-- The Nation 2014-03-11

Actually not surprised by this. I can remember interviewing Iranian young men wanting to enrol on a language course who were in Thailand on Education visas escaping the tyranny and repressive Iranian way of life, particularly if they were gay.

[rice555]

I live near the airport in Sri lanka, i heard fighter jets liften now and went to the east . Its first time i hear them start from here since the war ended.. Can it be so they now the investigators have told the countries around malaccan straits to to check the Indian ocean terretories?

Yesterday i was in the province of Korat and i hear a lot of planes......but i know think that were from the nearest military bases.But maybe i am wrong

Korat has an Air Force training base. Often jets flying around there.

Hello All, the boys from Singapore are training here, thats all. Also have had KC130's and KC135's coming over the house since last week.

rice555

[SeaVisionBurma]

Another off topic post removed.

Please stay on topic thanks

[canuckamuck]

Getting late in the day and still no confirmed debris.

I am leaning towards the plane being taken over by hostiles who ended all signals and contact and dove below radar. Where they went or if they got anywhere at all is a different set of speculation.

This scenario is the only one that explains no transponders, loss of contact, no mayday, and no debris on the flight path. Also there appears to be witnesses to a low level plane at the right time and location.

Eliminate the impossible and whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truth. I think that was Sherlock Holmes, right?

Edited March 11, 2014 by canuckamuck

[3NUMBAS]

can you rule out UFOs ? a few months back a BA pilot reported a UFO came hurtling towards the cockpit and swerved to avoid the plane. he ducked as it was so close

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/10551201/Jet-in-near-miss-with-UFO.html

quote

It was certainly a close encounter, but with precisely what remains a mystery.

An airline pilot has reported a near miss in which a “rugby ball”-shaped UFO passed within a few feet of his passenger jet while flying near Heathrow Airport.

The captain told the aviation authorities who have investigated the incident that he was certain the object was going to crash into his aircraft and ducked as it headed towards him.

The investigation has been unable to establish any earthly identity for the mysterious craft, which left the aircrew with no time to take evasive action.

The incident occurred while the A320 Airbus was cruising at 34,000ft, around 20 miles west of the airport, over the Berkshire countryside.

unquote

Edited March 11, 2014 by 3NUMBAS

[Mosha]

All seems to point to a very cleverly planned hijack with at least one government responsible or in the know

Right. What could possibly be gained by a government hijacking a Malaysian civilian airliner? Malaysia is a muslim nation, so not likely to be Islamic affiliated hijackers. The Chinese don't do things like this. They never have. Malaysia is looked on favourably in the middle east and region, so it is doubtful any of those nations would have done this. Even the North Koreans would not target a Malaysian airplane. Nothing whatsoever points to a hijacking. Nothing,

Except that certain persons would have believed it was a Chinese aircraft with a China Southern flight number.

I haven't ruled out hijacking - with or without crew collusion.

Another forum's poster:

"From the comments so far it seems that there would be some sort of transponder signal even if the plane was disintegrated. If this is the case hijack was a real possibility. Where can the plane land without detection?

I am thinking if someone's up to no good then they would make sure they pick the best pilot out there who can expertly manoeuvre the plane to where ever they want to go."

Do many 777 captains spend their off-duty time at a sophisticated flight 777 simulator with 3 widescreen panoramic monitors at home? (published on Facebook)

I know of pilots who have the PMDG addons for Flightsim. They say it keeps them sharp. Very realistic in their view.

[jpinx]

With all the searching and satellite imagery available -- they *STILL* haven't found that plane/wreckage -- absolutely amazing after 4 days.. They found the AirFrance one in the middle of the Atlantic ocean after 5 days -- a much bigger search area...

There's going to be so many investigations about this whole episode, --- not only what happened to the aircraft, but also what happened to passport control, search and rescue, satellite imagery. etc etc

There seems to be 2 general possibilities -- either a sophisticated hi-jacking or some catastrophe in the cockpit disabling the crew and leaving "George" to continue flying on what ever settings were enabled, till the fuel ran out.

The first option explains why the SAR has failed since the aircraft is secreted away somewhere. The second option also explains why the SAR efforts have failed so far because there was enough fuel to go for another 5,000 miles+, making the search area massive.

Edited March 11, 2014 by jpinx

[Basil B]

Comments on Auto Pilot (AP). will continue on programmed flight path

These modern Auto Pilots work in several modes, "Guidance Mode" does take it instructions from the Flight Director (FD) which will be programmed with the intended flight plan.

It can also be set to follow Nav Aids instead of the FD

It can also be set to follow headings, altitude, rate of Climb/Decent and speed set on the AP.

It can also work in partial modes, such as Altitude Mode where it will follow target altitude only without heading set.

It could be due to rapid decompression the pilot set the target altitude to 10,000ft (or even 1,000ft by mistake), with a fixed rate of decent, and turned the plane manually intending to return to KUL, they lost consciousness due to problems donning their oxygen masks and the plane descended to level flight but no set heading.

Although oxygen masks deployed in the cabin no one could get to the flight deck as per the Helios 522 flight.

Loss of Transponder and ADS-B could be due to damage to the electrical system.

Edited March 11, 2014 by Basil B

[phuketrichard]

Alien abduction is really the only realistic answer

My apologizes to those that had members of their families/freinds lose their lives

[noddy77]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/11/19/08/woman-remembers-cockpit-fun-with-missing-pilot

This is very bad if its all true.

So much egg over Malaysian Ailines face. The old story with Asian airline carriers. Captains rule! No whistle blowing allowed.

[goatfarmer]

The people making claims on this thread about mysterious weapons or kidnappings etc, made similar claims when AF went down. It took several years to locate the airframe and bodies inside. and to establish that it was a simple blockage of the pitot tube that caused the erroneous airspeed data which was followed up with pilot error during the critical response period.

It is amazing that so many people have the need to concoct conspiracy theories to explain what they cannot comprehend.

It satisfies the primordial urge to explain reality with myth and add meaning to an otherwise meaningless life.

[phuketrichard]

Interesting article; http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/10/opinion/palmer-malaysia-aircraft-air-france/

Many people are wondering why there are so few clues about the fate of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, beginning with the lack of a distress call.

This lack of a call, however, is not particularly perplexing. An aviator's priorities are to maintain control of the airplane above all else. An emergency could easily consume 100% of a crew's efforts. To an airline pilot, the absence of radio calls to personnel on the ground that could do little to help the immediate situation is no surprise........

[Mosha]

Comments on Auto Pilot (AP). will continue on programmed flight path

These modern Auto Pilots work in several modes, "Guidance Mode" does take it instructions from the Flight Director (FD) which will be programmed with the intended flight plan.

It can also be set to follow Nav Aids instead of the FD

It can also be set to follow headings, altitude, rate of Climb/Decent and speed set on the AP.

It can also work in partial modes, such as Altitude Mode where it will follow target altitude only without heading set.

It could be due to rapid decompression the pilot set the target altitude to 10,000ft (or even 1,000ft by mistake), with a fixed rate of decent, and turned the plane manually intending to return to KUL, they lost consciousness due to problems donning their oxygen masks and the plane descended to level flight but no set heading.

Although oxygen masks deployed in the cabin no one could get to the flight deck as per the Helios 522 flight.

Loss of Transponder and ADS-B could be due to damage to the electrical system.

On the Helios flight, a steward who had undergone low oxygen level training when in the armed forces. Was spotted in the cockpit by one of the escorting fighter pilots,

[SeaVisionBurma]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/11/19/08/woman-remembers-cockpit-fun-with-missing-pilot

This is very bad if its all true.

So much egg over Malaysian Ailines face. The old story with Asian airline carriers. Captains rule! No whistle blowing allowed.

I don't believe any of that story for a single minute. Sounds completely fabricated - meeting them before boarding (wouldn't happen, MH does a turn-around in Phuket which would mean the pilots would not be in the departure area with the pax pre-boarding.

Smoking in the cockpit - highly unlikely

2 women in the cockpit? Highly unlikely

MH operates a 737 on this route. No chance this could have happened as the story states.

[jpinx]

looking through western eyes it is not easy to remember that saving face is now more important -- they appear to have abandoned hope for survivors

[bkkjames]

Interesting article; http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/10/opinion/palmer-malaysia-aircraft-air-france/

Many people are wondering why there are so few clues about the fate of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, beginning with the lack of a distress call.

This lack of a call, however, is not particularly perplexing. An aviator's priorities are to maintain control of the airplane above all else. An emergency could easily consume 100% of a crew's efforts. To an airline pilot, the absence of radio calls to personnel on the ground that could do little to help the immediate situation is no surprise........

maybe i watch too much air crash investigation - but all of those managed to say Pan Pan Pan or something similar. Unless this thing blew up in mid air (but seems unlikely due to no wreckage anywhere) I fail to see how it comes as no surprise.

[balo]

Another theory we have to look at is if the pilots and the passengers lost consciousness due to a sudden pressure change caused by a broken window or a part of the airplane structure .

Highly unlikely. I was reading a study on cabin depressurization and the average of all the recorded events was around 2000 foot per minute change in pressure and a maximum of 7000 foot per minute. The cockpit face mask deployment system and training of the pilots requires the ability to place the mask on in 5 seconds. Even in an explosive decompression such as the Aloha aircraft 243 where it lost a massive section of the fuselage nearly instantly, the pilots were able to don the masks and successfully land the plane. For a slow leak, the mask deployment is automatic if cabin pressure reaches around 14,000 feet.

Yes but what if the plane stalled or dived at the same time, maybe the pilots were knocked out, my point is that the plane could be up in the air for several miles in any direction , and that would make it difficult to locate it, it's a big ocean.

Sent from my SM-P601 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Edited March 11, 2014 by balo

[wprime]

Here's an explanation:

The fuselage skin underneath the SATCOM adapter cracked (an unconfirmed issue with the 777s currently being investigated by the US Department of Transport), decompression of the area will damage the GPS, ACARS, ADS-B, and ADS-C antennas and systems leaving it only detectable via primary radar which is limited to about 160km and generally ineffective at high altitudes. At this point cabin decompression is imminent and can be triggered by any minor stress.

The pilot would be instantly alerted of the failed systems but may not be aware of the cause, so he attempted to fly back to KL, turning the plane too rapidly triggering cabin decompression knocking everyone out before he was able to contact KL.

At this point the plane would continue on auto pilot maintaining its altitude until it ran out of fuel. Oxygen in the cabin would be sucked out so nobody would regain consciousness. If this were to occur the plane could be 100s of km away.

Here is a link to the US DoT investigation on the problem with the 777s.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-09-26/html/2013-23456.htm

The only issue I see is that the pilot is supposed to notify KL before attempting to fly back.

[jpinx]

Calling in on the radio is not a priority when there's an emergency. First and foremost is the immediate safety of the people on board, so getting things under control is paramount, with a radio call only following when there is capacity in the workload. That could be some time, or maybe never if the situation was too far gone.

[coma]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/11/19/08/woman-remembers-cockpit-fun-with-missing-pilot

This is very bad if its all true.

So much egg over Malaysian Ailines face. The old story with Asian airline carriers. Captains rule! No whistle blowing allowed.

I don't believe any of that story for a single minute. Sounds completely fabricated - meeting them before boarding (wouldn't happen, MH does a turn-around in Phuket which would mean the pilots would not be in the departure area with the pax pre-boarding.

Smoking in the cockpit - highly unlikely

2 women in the cockpit? Highly unlikely

MH operates a 737 on this route. No chance this could have happened as the story states.

Some of the story has no weight to it as you say. But I find it plausible that the girl had some close encounter with him in the cockpit.