looping Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Wonder if Jatuporn was elected democratically ?Sounds like he wasn't and that he was appointed...something the redshirts have been fighting against.Oh well, they've also been supposedly fighting to end double standards and double standards is something they continually do themselves. I think they believe that other people should not be allowed double standards. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltandpepper Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Oh, what a nice pair! Now, where did i put my Motilium? I had to google "motilium" to see if your post had a deep hidden meaning. 60 seconds of my life wasted. Not wasted. You now know what Motilium is. Might be useful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looping Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 We won't know if he's got what it takes till we see him making a cowardly hotel-room escape by wobbling around feebly on a rope, with bloated derriere exposed to all the world's media. Also it is vital that he delivers a touching and almost tearful thankyou speech, which unites the nation behind the plight of plump criminals dangling out of windows everywhere. "I would like to thank all of the people who saved me — you have helped save democracy," said Arisman. Magic darts. Last time I looked at this OP there wasn't a mention of Arisman in it. I even checked the images, No, no "bloated derriere exposed to all the worlds media" You sure it's not some fantasy of your's, Yunla? No mention of magic darts anywhere, either. Magic darts???? So, technicalities aside, what's your response to these appointments? A good day for Thailand? Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltandpepper Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 We won't know if he's got what it takes till we see him making a cowardly hotel-room escape by wobbling around feebly on a rope, with bloated derriere exposed to all the world's media. Also it is vital that he delivers a touching and almost tearful thankyou speech, which unites the nation behind the plight of plump criminals dangling out of windows everywhere. "I would like to thank all of the people who saved me — you have helped save democracy," said Arisman. Magic darts. Last time I looked at this OP there wasn't a mention of Arisman in it. I even checked the images, No, no "bloated derriere exposed to all the worlds media" You sure it's not some fantasy of your's, Yunla? No mention of magic darts anywhere, either. Magic darts???? a fantastic display of bravery an courage from a man who publicly incited red shirts to burn Bangkok, told them that he will fight until death to protect them, and then run away like a sissy! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepperMe Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 The red shirt organization is showing its changing focus by appointing two of its worst violent pit bulls in Jatuporn as their new Chairman and Nattawut as their new Secretary-General. Even rougher times ahead for the country with these maniacs at the controls. They are both due in court in a couple of weeks to answer questions about their breech of bail conditions. They will be put back behind bars probably, and then Thida will likely come back spitting 'unfair' treatment by the courts (again) and accusing them of trying to topple the UDD (just to stir the hornet's nest) with the heavily dwindling red shirt members) The red shirt movement is all but finished... What they gonna do when this election is rightfully annulled and a new election is set up that will forbid any party linked with Thaksin Shinawatra from running in the election???? They gonna stand up and cry... 'not fair'.... Because that would be the same as promoting a 'puppet government'... nothing less, and then the international community would truly laugh at them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim armstrong Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Wonder if Jatuporn was elected democratically ? Probably done the same way as in Australia, political parties elect their leaders. It is done in house and the public have no say in the structure of the parties. Not true. Most voters in Australia don't bother to be members of the parties they vote for, as in many other countries. But they can join whenever they want to, which gives them access to the mechanisms for choosing MP candidates, party leaders, and policy direction. It's perfectly logical that sitting MP's should select the leader who they work with, and who will be best equipped to represent them in parliament. The selection of leaders is quite different between the two main parties Labour and Liberal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kimamey Posted March 16, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2014 Sale on fire extinguishers next week.. Sent from my LG-P970 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app I presume you are relating to events of 4 years ago when some people, reacting to the army killing civilians, took matters into their own hands and set fire to some buildings in Bangkok - and you are inferring that these events will happen again? Let's go along with your little fantasy, shall we. If that was the case surely the prices of fire extinguishers would increase due to the perceived risk, they wouldn't be at "sale prices" would they? See, if you want to write posts that appeal to the gallery and attract the likees, you need to think them through first. Weren't the threats from the red shirt stages to burn Bangkok made before the killings. This is an honest question as there may have been deaths before that. Whether that makes their actions any more understandable is another question. I'll ask you as you seem to have some grasp of the facts unlike many on here. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 The red shirt organization is showing its changing focus by appointing two of its worst violent pit bulls in Jatuporn as their new Chairman and Nattawut as their new Secretary-General. Even rougher times ahead for the country with these maniacs at the controls. They are both due in court in a couple of weeks to answer questions about their breech of bail conditions. They will be put back behind bars probably, and then Thida will likely come back spitting 'unfair' treatment by the courts (again) and accusing them of trying to topple the UDD (just to stir the hornet's nest) with the heavily dwindling red shirt members) The red shirt movement is all but finished... What they gonna do when this election is rightfully annulled and a new election is set up that will forbid any party linked with Thaksin Shinawatra from running in the election???? They gonna stand up and cry... 'not fair'.... Because that would be the same as promoting a 'puppet government'... nothing less, and then the international community would truly laugh at them. wow that sounds like true democracy. The people will only be afforded one party to vote for, Suthep and his dems/yellow shirts. Little Kimmie in Nth Korea will be proud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimamey Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Jatuporn to become new UDD leader AYUTTHAYA: -- Jatuporn Prompan was named the new chairman of the redshirt United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD). Announcing the appointment by UDD chairwoman Mrs Thida Thawornseth in front of some 6,000 redshirt demonstrators in Ayutthaya Saturday night, she said Jatuporn will become the new chairman of UDD amid cheers and applause by supporters. She also announced the appointment of Nattawut Saikur as UDD secretary-general. Small fireworks was then set off to congratulate their appointments. Nattawut, also caretaker deputy commerce minister, the UDD will watch the move of the seven independent agencies offered as mediator in the conflict and set guidelines for the country to move forward. UDD will see to it if the guidelines were within the framework of the Constitution. He said the redshirts would continue nationwide rallies in other provinces to flex its muscles but would avoid confrontation with the PDRC demonstrators . He also said by now UDD hoped that the military would not stage a coup as it would be condemned by world communities and the UN, as Thai people also would oppose it. He said the UDD stand firm to protect and uphold democracy. Commenting on the UDD new leaderships, Suthep Thagsusuban, secretary-general of the People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), said he anticipated escalation of the situation as both Jatuporn and Nattawut have records of preference for violence, citing the bloody riot in 2010 when both incited redshirts to burn Central World, and government offices nationwide. Suthep also rejected to join negotiation if the UN secretary-general Ban Ki-moon accepts invitation by Foreign Minister Suraspong Tovichakchaikul to be a mediator to resolve the conflicts. The conflict is the internal affairs of Thailand and that Ban should keep off even Surapong has confirmed sending invitation to Ban already. Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/jatuporn-become-new-udd-leader/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=jatuporn-become-new-udd-leader -- Thai PBS 2014-03-16 I agree with Suthep regarding the violent tendencies but I think he's making a mistake rejecting any help from Ban Ki-moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rametindallas Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 The red shirt organization is showing its changing focus by appointing two of its worst violent pit bulls in Jatuporn as their new Chairman and Nattawut as their new Secretary-General. Even rougher times ahead for the country with these maniacs at the controls. Both are Thaksin stooges and they have proven that there is nothing they won't do for their Liege Lord. The whole organization is by and for Thaksin so, yes, it could get very ugly and witnessed by the last time Dr. Thaksin had his paid army at Ratchaprasong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Clever Thida, getting out and passing the buck before the arrests start. Wonder where her 'retirement' home is? In the democratic peoples republic of north korea, if it doesn't work out with the peoples republic of Lana? Or maybe first visit Margot Honecker and ask for a recommendation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 You can forget about peace or compromise with this nut in charge. Sent from somewhere in the Pacific Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PepperMe Posted March 16, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2014 He said the redshirts would continue nationwide rallies in other provinces to flex its muscles but would avoid confrontation with the PDRC demonstrators . Don't blame them if 6000 is all they can muster, and probably less than 10% of these would be willing to face off against the far more superior (real protectors of democracy). All they will ever manage is a terrorist strategy of night time bombing in BKK. Why the hell does a political party need a terrorist unit anyway??? Can the world not see what a shambles this country has become when political parties own their own terror units? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dickyknee Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Wonder if Jatuporn was elected democratically ?Probably done the same way as in Australia, political parties elect their leaders. It is done in house and the public have no say in the structure of the parties. http://www.alp.org.au/laborleadershipDo you recon all the UDD members got the opportunity to vote? Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) Sale on fire extinguishers next week.. Sent from my LG-P970 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app I presume you are relating to events of 4 years ago when some people, reacting to the army killing civilians, took matters into their own hands and set fire to some buildings in Bangkok - and you are inferring that these events will happen again? Let's go along with your little fantasy, shall we. If that was the case surely the prices of fire extinguishers would increase due to the perceived risk, they wouldn't be at "sale prices" would they? See, if you want to write posts that appeal to the gallery and attract the likees, you need to think them through first. Weren't the threats from the red shirt stages to burn Bangkok made before the killings. This is an honest question as there may have been deaths before that. Whether that makes their actions any more understandable is another question. I'll ask you as you seem to have some grasp of the facts unlike many on here. Well for a start, there were not continual threats to turn Bangkok into a modern day Dresden despite the hyperbole on these pages and elsewhere. There were two speeches, one by Nattawu Saikua on the 19th May in response to a perceived coup d'etat Nattawut Saikua, UDD Secretary-General, said on the red-shirt stage on May 19, “If you gain control, we will burn places all over Thailand”. (Cheers) He said further, “Brothers and sisters, you go to burn down, I will be responsible for it myself.” (Cheers and claps). “Anyone who want to arrest us, come to me.” “If you set up coup d’etat, (we will) burn down!” http://realthai.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/udd-leader-burn-the-countr/ The second, (in reality the first, timewise), was the speech by Arisman in January 2010 "Fellow Thais, for the next time [we protest], if you know that we will crackdown, there is no need to prepare a lot. Just bring one bottle each. Then fill it with oil so it is filled to 75cc-1 litre. If there are one million of us in Bangkok, there will be one million litres. I guarantee you that Bangkok will be a sea of fire for sure. The way the red shirts will fight back/respond is simple like this. We need to tell the military, tell the military dogs who are serving the aristocrats so that know that if you injure the red shirts with just one drop of blood then Bangkok will be a sea of fire.” It was typical Arisman hot head rhetoric, threatening the army if they attacked the red shirts (and we all know what happened). Still, a stretch of the imagination that a "fiery" speech in January was the definitive reason for the events of the 19th May and nothing at all to do with the immense frustration certain people felt after seeing their colleagues shot down around them for the past two months (yes, I know, not all innocent). However, I understand that reading through the more colourful posts in this forum could lead one to believe events happened, "differently". Edited March 16, 2014 by fab4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scamper Posted March 16, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2014 Well, the 100,000 didn't show up - to absolutely no one's surprise - so if Thida's doing a tally, she'll have to start with that one. Jatuporn will now assume what he undoubtedly thought was his in any event, and that is the mantle of the UDD. It's not a particularly encouraging sign for those that hope that reason will somehow come to the table. He's as wild-eyed as the movement gets. Prepare for rhetoric that transcends the reach of the Hubble telescope. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Oh, what a nice pair! Now, where did i put my Motilium? I had to google "motilium" to see if your post had a deep hidden meaning. 60 seconds of my life wasted. Good!!Sent from my GT-I9300 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Wonder if Jatuporn was elected democratically ?Probably done the same way as in Australia, political parties elect their leaders. It is done in house and the public have no say in the structure of the parties.Except the UDD aren't a political party are they. They are just the activist arm of the Phua Thai party.The sooner the real RED grassroots Issan people understand that the better. None of the main UDD leadership are even from Issan. Sent from my XT1032 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app The Dems leader is from Newcastle, UK, so what? But he never claimed to be a grassroots person did he! The point is that yet again the "grassroots Issan people " are allowing themselves to be pawns. If you don't see that then........! I note that you don't really think about it just the normal "but " Sent from my XT1032 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Oh, what a nice pair! Now, where did i put my Motilium? I had to google "motilium" to see if your post had a deep hidden meaning. 60 seconds of my life wasted. Good!!Sent from my GT-I9300 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Personal attack? Have I offended you in some way, do I know you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fryslan boppe Posted March 16, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) "Jatuporn new UDD chief" Jatuporn has effectively been the leader anyway, with Thida being a very good spokesperson.....It is only natural that Jatuporn take over, now that the Elite are trying to complete their plan to eliminate another elected Govt., via their agencies, etc. Some of the derogatory comments made about Jatuporn in above Posts, perhaps reflect an underlying fear by PAD-Dem's. that they are up against formidable forces and Opposition now, unlike in 2006. Jatuporn has massive support within the pro-Democracy Movement. In trying to denigrate the organization by impugning negativity due to lack of elections, one must remember that this is not a Political Party. One can say with certainty, that the Elite better not underestimate his leadership and the respect he garners throughout the UDD. To try and discount him, they are attempting to diminish a major Political figure within the Pro-Democracy Movement....They do so at their own endangerment should they persist in their anti-democratic ways. "About 6,000 red shirts gathered at Ayutthaya's provincial stadium..." Yeah right.....Consider the source when reading this. I won't get into a numbers game, but from those who were there, there is talk from those who were there, that there was not even room to sit anywhere, never mind the mass outside the main venue. The anti-UDD/PTP media is playing the same game they did during the build-up of anti-coup forces after 2006 and before 2010 R'song. Both ignoring the huge build-up of pro-Democracy and Anti-coup forces and rallies, and grossly under-reporting them, as in above quote. Then when the Movement hit Bangkok, there was feigned surprise by the media, and genuine surprise by those who believe what they were told. That is dangerous however, as those who support the Elite, have no idea what they are up against, until it is too late. The PAD-Dem rank-and-file in their support of endeavors to eliminate another elected Govt, and avoiding parliament by exercising Opposition through their user-friendly judiciary and Agencies, underestimate the pro-Democracy forces at their own peril. Edited March 16, 2014 by Fryslan boppe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Clever Thida, getting out and passing the buck before the arrests start. Wonder where her 'retirement' home is? She will get staff accommodation for selling entrance tickets at Dubai’s new “Lanna –World-Themepark”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 But he never claimed to be a grassroots person did he! The point is that yet again the "grassroots Issan people " are allowing themselves to be pawns. If you don't see that then........! I note that you don't really think about it just the normal "but " Sent from my XT1032 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Well I'm not sure the Leadership of the UDD have claimed that they are "grassroots Isaan people" either. Do real red-shirts only come from Isaan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) Wonder if Jatuporn was elected democratically ?Probably done the same way as in Australia, political parties elect their leaders. It is done in house and the public have no say in the structure of the parties. http://www.alp.org.au/laborleadershipDo you recon all the UDD members got the opportunity to vote? Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app I don't know I am not a member of the UDD, best to ask the members on here who are connected. Edited March 16, 2014 by chooka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyknee Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 No worries, the question is put to them then. Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fryslan boppe Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 No worries, the question is put to them then. Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app See Post #51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyknee Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 In trying to denigrate the organization by impugning negativity due to lack of elections, one must remember that this is not a Political Party.[\quote]Sorry I had to paraphrase, but my phone was having issues with the length of your post. I fail to see where democracy is limited to politics. Publicly listed companies to the local chess club can exhibit some form of democratic system to choose the head. In this instance, in name and function, the group is supposedly pro democracy. If they haven't democratically elected the head, they should be denigrated. If they have, well good, they are leading by example. Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyknee Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 In trying to denigrate the organization by impugning negativity due to lack of elections, one must remember that this is not a Political Party.[\quote]Sorry I had to paraphrase, but my phone was having issues with the length of your post. I fail to see where democracy is limited to politics. Publicly listed companies to the local chess club can exhibit some form of democratic system to choose the head. In this instance, in name and function, the group is supposedly pro democracy. If they haven't democratically elected the head, they should be denigrated. If they have, well good, they are leading by example. From the OP, it says appointed. Clear as mud as to how he got the post. Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentine Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 "Jatuporn new UDD chief" Jatuporn has effectively been the leader anyway, with Thida being a very good spokesperson.....It is only natural that Jatuporn take over, now that the Elite are trying to complete their plan to eliminate another elected Govt., via their agencies, etc. Some of the derogatory comments made about Jatuporn in above Posts, perhaps reflect an underlying fear by PAD-Dem's. that they are up against formidable forces and Opposition now, unlike in 2006. Jatuporn has massive support within the pro-Democracy Movement. In trying to denigrate the organization by impugning negativity due to lack of elections, one must remember that this is not a Political Party. One can say with certainty, that the Elite better not underestimate his leadership and the respect he garners throughout the UDD. To try and discount him, they are attempting to diminish a major Political figure within the Pro-Democracy Movement....They do so at their own endangerment should they persist in their anti-democratic ways. "About 6,000 red shirts gathered at Ayutthaya's provincial stadium..." Yeah right.....Consider the source when reading this. I won't get into a numbers game, but from those who were there, there is talk from those who were there, that there was not even room to sit anywhere, never mind the mass outside the main venue. The anti-UDD/PTP media is playing the same game they did during the build-up of anti-coup forces after 2006 and before 2010 R'song. Both ignoring the huge build-up of pro-Democracy and Anti-coup forces and rallies, and grossly under-reporting them, as in above quote. Then when the Movement hit Bangkok, there was feigned surprise by the media, and genuine surprise by those who believe what they were told. That is dangerous however, as those who support the Elite, have no idea what they are up against, until it is too late. The PAD-Dem rank-and-file in their support of endeavors to eliminate another elected Govt, and avoiding parliament by exercising Opposition through their user-friendly judiciary and Agencies, underestimate the pro-Democracy forces at their own peril. Your use of the word "elite" is misleading unless you believe the UDD/red shirts do not have an "elite" within their group. Surely you do not believe that if you are a rational thinking person. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post icare999 Posted March 16, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2014 Sale on fire extinguishers next week.. Sent from my LG-P970 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app I presume you are relating to events of 4 years ago when some people, reacting to the army killing civilians, took matters into their own hands and set fire to some buildings in Bangkok - and you are inferring that these events will happen again? Let's go along with your little fantasy, shall we. If that was the case surely the prices of fire extinguishers would increase due to the perceived risk, they wouldn't be at "sale prices" would they? See, if you want to write posts that appeal to the gallery and attract the likees, you need to think them through first. I really hope if these thugs decide to try and repeat their actions in 2010 it will be in your neighbourhood with your family at home and then you will possibly realise how foolish and wrong you are to support a rabble like these goons. People like you would support pol pot or Idi Amin 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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