Pheu Thai vows to defy Constitutional Court's ruling on election

[PepperMe]

The courts are no less corrupt that the rest of society here. I think you'll find that is the inference of the comment. When you have a whole system that is messed up its little surprise the courts are suspect as well.

In a way highlighting this is good for everyone. There was no mention of reforming the judicial system and the rule of law should come very high on the list along with the police enforcing these rulings those who sit in judgement should also be neutral and concerned only with what is legal and what isnt.. this has not been and is not the case, we have seen some very strange rulings of late and behaviours of certain agencies that have gone far beyond their supposed neutral status.

If things are going to change here and be reformed it should be made clear to one and all that if people can ignore court orders and summons to appear on one side then it is perfectly ok to ignore another order or finding by the opposite side. The law system here is broken no less than everything else.

We also dont know this OP heading is true or accurate, it IS the Nation after all

Tanks in by Friday ? nope I don't think so

Maybe there have been some dubious court rulings, but one court does not make ALL courts corrupt.

There has not been a shred of evidence that the constitutional court has been corrupt. In fact to date the C Courts have been very lenient with this rabble of a government.

They had the right to impeach all those who voted to mess with the senate, they also had the right to dissolve the PTP over it, yet they showed restraint for the good of peace.... It didn't work, people have died and there are nightly attacks around BKK and now threats of civil war, terrorism and secession. They really should have impeached and dissolved.

They made the absolute correct judgemnent on the 2.2 BN loan bill.... They still hold a trump card in this which I will go into below.

They have been petitioned to make a ruling on the legality of the elections, which we have to agree are now a complete farce and will never be completed. So the intelligent thing is to move along and try again.

If they rule against the elections and void them so we can move forwards, then what would be dubious about that?... seems very logical to me.

If the PTP really want to defy the highest court in the land, then they are openly defying His Majesty himself. This will not be tolerated by 99% of this country, they will NOT accept this level of arrogance.

So what happens when the first statement saying they 'don't agree with the ruling and that the court is bias' comes out of the PTP after a negative ruling? .... This is where the trump card comes in from the 2.2 Bn loan bill that the C Court has been holding.

The court ruled that the bill was 'unlawful'.... That is enough to impeach and charge the lot of them well... YL and the PTP, and remove them all from office and hand down bannings and dissolution, and that will be the end of them. If they refuse to move and call in the red thugs, then the army will simply step in and arrest the lot of them and crush any uprising with the most terrible brutal force that will make 2010 look like a schoolyard dust up.

Edited March 18, 2014 by PepperMe

[seajae]

really seems like the ptp are setting up everything for kotee to do his work, he declares he will start shooting if the ptp are removed and the ptp declare they will no abide by the decision, definitely see who is pulling all the strings here. The sooner the courts judge this mob of rodents the better.

[HonestQuietBob]

This is stupid on so many levels I don't know where to begin.

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Then do us a favour and don't

[HonestQuietBob]

Prior to 2007 the predessors to the Constitutional Court repeatedly ruled in favor of the Thaksin political parties. In 2007 when the Democrats grabbed power through the military coup and rewrote the Constitution, it re-established the Constitutional Court with partisan judges aligned with or sympathetic to the Democratic party through their appointments by a government lacking any significant opposition party with the removal of Thaksin's party.

The Constitutional Court members know where their allegiance lies and has become de facto a powerful tool of the Democrat party as evidenced by its consistent rulings against the PTP with minimal, flawed, or lacking evidence coming largely from the Democrats/PDRC. And so PTP's perceived partisan discrimination by the Court is real and its frustration is a natural response to the corruption of the Court's intended judicial fairness.

Don't you just love red shirt supporters re-writing history!!!

How so?

Would you care to expand on this short and substance-less post?

[HonestQuietBob]

Prior to 2007 the predessors to the Constitutional Court repeatedly ruled in favor of the Thaksin political parties. In 2007 when the Democrats grabbed power through the military coup and rewrote the Constitution, it re-established the Constitutional Court with partisan judges aligned with or sympathetic to the Democratic party through their appointments by a government lacking any significant opposition party with the removal of Thaksin's party.

The Constitutional Court members know where their allegiance lies and has become de facto a powerful tool of the Democrat party as evidenced by its consistent rulings against the PTP with minimal, flawed, or lacking evidence coming largely from the Democrats/PDRC. And so PTP's perceived partisan discrimination by the Court is real and its frustration is a natural response to the corruption of the Court's intended judicial fairness.

So another words, screw the courts and get on with raping the country?

PS. PTP has had years to change the judges , any reason why they have not? And if they have, any reason why new judges do not support them ? Besides the obvious of course

You may want to do a little research into the incestuous nature of how the appointed senators and judges come to be appointed.

[PepperMe]

really seems like the ptp are setting up everything for kotee to do his work, he declares he will start shooting if the ptp are removed and the ptp declare they will no abide by the decision, definitely see who is pulling all the strings here. The sooner the courts judge this mob of rodents the better.

I agree.

The courts should not be intimidated by the daily threats of terrorism and anarchy from the PTP militia wing.

The army is more than capable of sorting them out..... more than capable.

Who cares what the interfering a-holes in the western countries say about it... they are already too busy pulling strings and backing terrorists in Syria and Ukraine.

[PepperMe]

Prior to 2007 the predessors to the Constitutional Court repeatedly ruled in favor of the Thaksin political parties. In 2007 when the Democrats grabbed power through the military coup and rewrote the Constitution, it re-established the Constitutional Court with partisan judges aligned with or sympathetic to the Democratic party through their appointments by a government lacking any significant opposition party with the removal of Thaksin's party.

The Constitutional Court members know where their allegiance lies and has become de facto a powerful tool of the Democrat party as evidenced by its consistent rulings against the PTP with minimal, flawed, or lacking evidence coming largely from the Democrats/PDRC. And so PTP's perceived partisan discrimination by the Court is real and its frustration is a natural response to the corruption of the Court's intended judicial fairness.

So another words, screw the courts and get on with raping the country?

PS. PTP has had years to change the judges , any reason why they have not? And if they have, any reason why new judges do not support them ? Besides the obvious of course

You may want to do a little research into the incestuous nature of how the appointed senators and judges come to be appointed.

How so?

Would you care to expand on this short and substance-less post?

[kimamey]

Prior to 2007 the predessors to the Constitutional Court repeatedly ruled in favor of the Thaksin political parties. In 2007 when the Democrats grabbed power through the military coup and rewrote the Constitution, it re-established the Constitutional Court with partisan judges aligned with or sympathetic to the Democratic party through their appointments by a government lacking any significant opposition party with the removal of Thaksin's party.

The Constitutional Court members know where their allegiance lies and has become de facto a powerful tool of the Democrat party as evidenced by its consistent rulings against the PTP with minimal, flawed, or lacking evidence coming largely from the Democrats/PDRC. And so PTP's perceived partisan discrimination by the Court is real and its frustration is a natural response to the corruption of the Court's intended judicial fairness.

There was definite bias in the drafting committee for the 2007 constitution but as far as I know it wasn't written by the Democrats and I believe anyone who had recently been a member of a political party couldn't be on the drafting committee. Of course that doesn't mean they didn't have political views. Abhisit and the Democrats agreed with most of the draft but disagreed with some points. It was decided to back it because if they didn't the Council for National Security which was basically the military would write their own. Bear in mind also that Abhisit did not support the coup.

[HonestQuietBob]

really seems like the ptp are setting up everything for kotee to do his work, he declares he will start shooting if the ptp are removed and the ptp declare they will no abide by the decision, definitely see who is pulling all the strings here. The sooner the courts judge this mob of rodents the better.

I agree.

The courts should not be intimidated by the daily threats of terrorism and anarchy from the PTP militia wing.

The army is more than capable of sorting them out..... more than capable.

Who cares what the interfering a-holes in the western countries say about it... they are already too busy pulling strings and backing terrorists in Syria and Ukraine.

The a-holes from the west can shut down the national economy more or less overnight.

So even if the army came out and seized power on behalf of the Yellow movement - it would only be a pyrrhic victory as they would be left ruling over a bankrupt nation and have to deal with daily guerrilla attacks from their own population - including the watermelon troops.

The big brass know this (even if you don't) and it is why all they are doing is popping up for the odd interview and tending to their bunker flowers.

So keep dreaming <snip>, your wishes shan't be coming true any time soon

Edited March 19, 2014 by soundman
Name calling.

[whybother]

Prior to 2007 the predessors to the Constitutional Court repeatedly ruled in favor of the Thaksin political parties. In 2007 when the Democrats grabbed power through the military coup and rewrote the Constitution, it re-established the Constitutional Court with partisan judges aligned with or sympathetic to the Democratic party through their appointments by a government lacking any significant opposition party with the removal of Thaksin's party.

The Constitutional Court members know where their allegiance lies and has become de facto a powerful tool of the Democrat party as evidenced by its consistent rulings against the PTP with minimal, flawed, or lacking evidence coming largely from the Democrats/PDRC. And so PTP's perceived partisan discrimination by the Court is real and its frustration is a natural response to the corruption of the Court's intended judicial fairness.

Don't you just love red shirt supporters re-writing history!!!

How so?

Would you care to expand on this short and substance-less post?

If you need to ask that question, you must know as little about recent Thai history as Rick does.

To start with, the Democrats weren't in power in 2007. So they didn't "grab power" through the military coup.

Second, they didn't rewrite the constitution.

The military junta who was in power didn't even rewrite the constitution. They just changed a bit of the 1997 constitution.

Sent from my phone ...

[tomacht8]

Dumber as it gets.

Their understanding of democracy clearly tends towards zero.

"Hello PT, the power in a Democratic State is divided to rule out abuse.
There's also courts, electoral commissions, constitutional courts, arbitrators (Ombudsman) and others."

In any democracy (which is a functioning) gives the Constitution the way in case of dispute and the court decide if there is contention.

The Constitutional Court as the guardians of the Constitution speaks the judgments.
In well governed countrys the Constitutional Court has little to do.

Perhaps the PT should explain, what is the best way to eliminate a corrupt government in a democratic way.
At this statement I would be really interested.

Edited March 18, 2014 by tomacht8

[PepperMe]

really seems like the ptp are setting up everything for kotee to do his work, he declares he will start shooting if the ptp are removed and the ptp declare they will no abide by the decision, definitely see who is pulling all the strings here. The sooner the courts judge this mob of rodents the better.

I agree.

The courts should not be intimidated by the daily threats of terrorism and anarchy from the PTP militia wing.

The army is more than capable of sorting them out..... more than capable.

Who cares what the interfering a-holes in the western countries say about it... they are already too busy pulling strings and backing terrorists in Syria and Ukraine.

The a-holes from the west can shut down the national economy more or less overnight.

So even if the army came out and seized power on behalf of the Yellow movement - it would only be a pyrrhic victory as they would be left ruling over a bankrupt nation and have to deal with daily guerrilla attacks from their own population - including the watermelon troops.

The big brass know this (even if you don't) and it is why all they are doing is popping up for the odd interview and tending to their bunker flowers.

So keep dreaming <snip>, your wishes shan't be coming true any time soon

This is where you have displayed your lack of knowledge.

The western countries will bankrupt Thailand if they topple a corrupt government for going against the constitution and the army subsequently crushing and armed terrorist uprising???

Is that what you really think?

So the west totally financially support Thailand does it?

CHINA and JAPAN hold the most financial stakes in Thailand mate.

<snip>

Edited March 19, 2014 by soundman
Bickering

[dru2]

really seems like the ptp are setting up everything for kotee to do his work, he declares he will start shooting if the ptp are removed and the ptp declare they will no abide by the decision, definitely see who is pulling all the strings here. The sooner the courts judge this mob of rodents the better.

I agree.

The courts should not be intimidated by the daily threats of terrorism and anarchy from the PTP militia wing.

The army is more than capable of sorting them out..... more than capable.

Who cares what the interfering a-holes in the western countries say about it... they are already too busy pulling strings and backing terrorists in Syria and Ukraine.

The a-holes from the west can shut down the national economy more or less overnight.

So even if the army came out and seized power on behalf of the Yellow movement - it would only be a pyrrhic victory as they would be left ruling over a bankrupt nation and have to deal with daily guerrilla attacks from their own population - including the watermelon troops.

The big brass know this (even if you don't) and it is why all they are doing is popping up for the odd interview and tending to their bunker flowers.

So keep dreaming <snip>, your wishes shan't be coming true any time soon

I disagree. And you have already lost both the plot and the game. Just wait and see.

[whoisyourdaddy]

Prior to 2007 the predessors to the Constitutional Court repeatedly ruled in favor of the Thaksin political parties. In 2007 when the Democrats grabbed power through the military coup and rewrote the Constitution, it re-established the Constitutional Court with partisan judges aligned with or sympathetic to the Democratic party through their appointments by a government lacking any significant opposition party with the removal of Thaksin's party.

The Constitutional Court members know where their allegiance lies and has become de facto a powerful tool of the Democrat party as evidenced by its consistent rulings against the PTP with minimal, flawed, or lacking evidence coming largely from the Democrats/PDRC. And so PTP's perceived partisan discrimination by the Court is real and its frustration is a natural response to the corruption of the Court's intended judicial fairness.

So another words, screw the courts and get on with raping the country?

PS. PTP has had years to change the judges , any reason why they have not? And if they have, any reason why new judges do not support them ? Besides the obvious of course

You may want to do a little research into the incestuous nature of how the appointed senators and judges come to be appointed.

Is it not bought? PTP style

[monkeycountry]

I see the yellow brigade are out decrying PT for disputing the legality of the Ombudsman's actions. It must be good to have an intricate knowledge of Thai law so that you can say without a reasonable doubt that the Ombudsman had a right to forward a petition on the poll to the Constitutional Court and that there was a conflict between the Royal Decree on the House dissolution, which stated February 2 as the only election date, and the charter.

Reality is, you just come out to cheer anything that can be construed as negative towards PT and you actually haven't got any idea about the legality of the issues involved.

Do you not do exactly the same, although in favour of the PTP/UDD? Or do you consider yourself one of those neutral guys? (Hint: Keep your still available previous posts in mind before answering)

[tomacht8]

"The party also claimed that behaviour by six independent agencies including the Election Commission, seeking to organise talks to resolve the political crisis, was suspicious."

Sorry again, but that is the stupidest thing ever i have read from an "legal expert".

Edited March 18, 2014 by tomacht8

[HonestQuietBob]

Prior to 2007 the predessors to the Constitutional Court repeatedly ruled in favor of the Thaksin political parties. In 2007 when the Democrats grabbed power through the military coup and rewrote the Constitution, it re-established the Constitutional Court with partisan judges aligned with or sympathetic to the Democratic party through their appointments by a government lacking any significant opposition party with the removal of Thaksin's party.

The Constitutional Court members know where their allegiance lies and has become de facto a powerful tool of the Democrat party as evidenced by its consistent rulings against the PTP with minimal, flawed, or lacking evidence coming largely from the Democrats/PDRC. And so PTP's perceived partisan discrimination by the Court is real and its frustration is a natural response to the corruption of the Court's intended judicial fairness.

Don't you just love red shirt supporters re-writing history!!!

How so?

Would you care to expand on this short and substance-less post?

If you need to ask that question, you must know as little about recent Thai history as Rick does.

To start with, the Democrats weren't in power in 2007. So they didn't "grab power" through the military coup.

Second, they didn't rewrite the constitution.

The military junta who was in power didn't even rewrite the constitution. They just changed a bit of the 1997 constitution.

Sent from my phone ...

Oh come on, really?

All those you just mentioned are on the same team.

It's like a big vampire squid with all these vile tentacles out to destroy democracy in Thailand so they can keep on raping the country for their own benefit.

'They just changed a bit of the 1997 constitution" you say.

Well, which bit and why?

If the changes had no measurable affect on the constitution then why did they bother?

The fact is that they changed the constitution for 2 reasons: to try and help the Democrats win an election and to increase their control of non-elected institutions as a back up plan should the Reds win (even after the gerrymander).

[Rhodiebkk]

Of course they're going to defy the courts. After all, it's a 'democracy'! The legally elected government is allowed to whatever they hell please and the law be damned! If these people don't abide by the law then they shouldn't complain if their government is brought by say another coup.

Heck of course it is a dee-mock-crow-cee, if you can't cash the votes you have bought

then what do you call this form of gub'iment?

[focus27]

Prior to 2007 the predessors to the Constitutional Court repeatedly ruled in favor of the Thaksin political parties. In 2007 when the Democrats grabbed power through the military coup and rewrote the Constitution, it re-established the Constitutional Court with partisan judges aligned with or sympathetic to the Democratic party through their appointments by a government lacking any significant opposition party with the removal of Thaksin's party.

The Constitutional Court members know where their allegiance lies and has become de facto a powerful tool of the Democrat party as evidenced by its consistent rulings against the PTP with minimal, flawed, or lacking evidence coming largely from the Democrats/PDRC. And so PTP's perceived partisan discrimination by the Court is real and its frustration is a natural response to the corruption of the Court's intended judicial fairness.

So another words, screw the courts and get on with raping the country?

PS. PTP has had years to change the judges , any reason why they have not? And if they have, any reason why new judges do not support them ? Besides the obvious of course

They can't! Firstly, the term for judges in the CC is for 9 years, so we're looking at 2017 - unless something dramatic happens to all of them. Secondly, the selection process for new judges is heavily weighted towards senators and the final vote is taken by the Senate. The executive branch of government has little say on the matter, having only one member of the ruling party on the committee, unless they happen to be from the same party as the senators on the selection committee. The current process is different to that in the pre-2007 constitution. [section 206 of the 2007 Constitution describes the process for the CC.]

Other higher courts have slightly different processes but all roads lead to the Senate - though not SPQR in this case.

Edited March 18, 2014 by focus27

[PepperMe]

Prior to 2007 the predessors to the Constitutional Court repeatedly ruled in favor of the Thaksin political parties. In 2007 when the Democrats grabbed power through the military coup and rewrote the Constitution, it re-established the Constitutional Court with partisan judges aligned with or sympathetic to the Democratic party through their appointments by a government lacking any significant opposition party with the removal of Thaksin's party.

The Constitutional Court members know where their allegiance lies and has become de facto a powerful tool of the Democrat party as evidenced by its consistent rulings against the PTP with minimal, flawed, or lacking evidence coming largely from the Democrats/PDRC. And so PTP's perceived partisan discrimination by the Court is real and its frustration is a natural response to the corruption of the Court's intended judicial fairness.

The Dems did not come to power until 2008 so get it right.

[kimamey]

Prior to 2007 the predessors to the Constitutional Court repeatedly ruled in favor of the Thaksin political parties. In 2007 when the Democrats grabbed power through the military coup and rewrote the Constitution, it re-established the Constitutional Court with partisan judges aligned with or sympathetic to the Democratic party through their appointments by a government lacking any significant opposition party with the removal of Thaksin's party.

The Constitutional Court members know where their allegiance lies and has become de facto a powerful tool of the Democrat party as evidenced by its consistent rulings against the PTP with minimal, flawed, or lacking evidence coming largely from the Democrats/PDRC. And so PTP's perceived partisan discrimination by the Court is real and its frustration is a natural response to the corruption of the Court's intended judicial fairness.

So another words, screw the courts and get on with raping the country?

PS. PTP has had years to change the judges , any reason why they have not? And if they have, any reason why new judges do not support them ? Besides the obvious of course

You may want to do a little research into the incestuous nature of how the appointed senators and judges come to be appointed.

You may want to try answering the question. It wasn't about the original appointment of the judges which may well have been less than honest but about what PTP has done about that bias. As far as I know they've never mentioned it.

[monkeycountry]

really seems like the ptp are setting up everything for kotee to do his work, he declares he will start shooting if the ptp are removed and the ptp declare they will no abide by the decision, definitely see who is pulling all the strings here. The sooner the courts judge this mob of rodents the better.

I agree.

The courts should not be intimidated by the daily threats of terrorism and anarchy from the PTP militia wing.

The army is more than capable of sorting them out..... more than capable.

Who cares what the interfering a-holes in the western countries say about it... they are already too busy pulling strings and backing terrorists in Syria and Ukraine.

The a-holes from the west can shut down the national economy more or less overnight.

So even if the army came out and seized power on behalf of the Yellow movement - it would only be a pyrrhic victory as they would be left ruling over a bankrupt nation and have to deal with daily guerrilla attacks from their own population - including the watermelon troops.

The big brass know this (even if you don't) and it is why all they are doing is popping up for the odd interview and tending to their bunker flowers.

So keep dreaming sunny boy, your wishes shan't be coming true any time soon

Ahh yes, I clearly remember the west shutting down the national economy at the last coup, or any of the previous coups, and I have no doubt they will shut it down exactly the same way again. (Read: The west don't give a ...., as long as the beaches stay open)

[HonestQuietBob]

really seems like the ptp are setting up everything for kotee to do his work, he declares he will start shooting if the ptp are removed and the ptp declare they will no abide by the decision, definitely see who is pulling all the strings here. The sooner the courts judge this mob of rodents the better.

I agree.

The courts should not be intimidated by the daily threats of terrorism and anarchy from the PTP militia wing.

The army is more than capable of sorting them out..... more than capable.

Who cares what the interfering a-holes in the western countries say about it... they are already too busy pulling strings and backing terrorists in Syria and Ukraine.

The a-holes from the west can shut down the national economy more or less overnight.

So even if the army came out and seized power on behalf of the Yellow movement - it would only be a pyrrhic victory as they would be left ruling over a bankrupt nation and have to deal with daily guerrilla attacks from their own population - including the watermelon troops.

The big brass know this (even if you don't) and it is why all they are doing is popping up for the odd interview and tending to their bunker flowers.

So keep dreaming sunny boy, your wishes shan't be coming true any time soon

This is where you have displayed your lack of knowledge.

The western countries will bankrupt Thailand if they topple a corrupt government for going against the constitution and the army subsequently crushing and armed terrorist uprising???

Is that what you really think?

So the west totally financially support Thailand does it?

CHINA and JAPAN hold the most financial stakes in Thailand mate.

You know nothing.

The US and Japan have been very clear about what they expect to occur in Thailand.

The speculation is that the Chinese are quite fond of Thaksin too (you do recall that it was in Beijing where some Reds just recently visited Thaksin)

Coup = sanctions, sanctions and just for laughs, a few more sanctions.

Followed by businesses losing confidence in the country and then that's it - all the factories move to Myanmar, Indonesia or Vietnam and you're a banana nation.

It's an inter-connected global community my friend - if they pull your plug, you're screwed.

So there, I do know something, and my guess is my something is just a wee bit more than your something.

[HonestQuietBob]

really seems like the ptp are setting up everything for kotee to do his work, he declares he will start shooting if the ptp are removed and the ptp declare they will no abide by the decision, definitely see who is pulling all the strings here. The sooner the courts judge this mob of rodents the better.

I agree.

The courts should not be intimidated by the daily threats of terrorism and anarchy from the PTP militia wing.

The army is more than capable of sorting them out..... more than capable.

Who cares what the interfering a-holes in the western countries say about it... they are already too busy pulling strings and backing terrorists in Syria and Ukraine.

The a-holes from the west can shut down the national economy more or less overnight.

So even if the army came out and seized power on behalf of the Yellow movement - it would only be a pyrrhic victory as they would be left ruling over a bankrupt nation and have to deal with daily guerrilla attacks from their own population - including the watermelon troops.

The big brass know this (even if you don't) and it is why all they are doing is popping up for the odd interview and tending to their bunker flowers.

So keep dreaming sunny boy, your wishes shan't be coming true any time soon

Ahh yes, I clearly remember the west shutting down the national economy at the last coup, or any of the previous coups, and I have no doubt they will shut it down exactly the same way again. (Read: The west don't give a ...., as long as the beaches stay open)

Bob Dylan

"The times they are a changing".

Why do you think the current US ambassador is so on the nose with the likes of Suthep and his camp out mates?

[JAG]

I've just read the original post. It is the Nation which is saying PT will defy the court ruling.

The PT spokesman said that they hadn't decided what to do, although they didn't agree that the case should have been brought, and they were suspicious of the EC motivation.

That doesn't read to me like defying the court come what may. Perhaps some of the outrage is "a little bit previous"?

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[fstarbkk]

The courts are no less corrupt that the rest of society here. I think you'll find that is the inference of the comment. When you have a whole system that is messed up its little surprise the courts are suspect as well.

In a way highlighting this is good for everyone. There was no mention of reforming the judicial system and the rule of law should come very high on the list along with the police enforcing these rulings those who sit in judgement should also be neutral and concerned only with what is legal and what isnt.. this has not been and is not the case, we have seen some very strange rulings of late and behaviours of certain agencies that have gone far beyond their supposed neutral status.

If things are going to change here and be reformed it should be made clear to one and all that if people can ignore court orders and summons to appear on one side then it is perfectly ok to ignore another order or finding by the opposite side. The law system here is broken no less than everything else.

We also dont know this OP heading is true or accurate, it IS the Nation after all

Tanks in by Friday ? nope I don't think so

It's all well and good to suggest that the judicial branch should be included in the process of reform. What robs the reds of any credibility in this regard, is that they seem perfectly happy to avail themselves of the services of the courts, and other agencies, when they agree with the PT/UDD/TS agenda.

I strongly suspect that the PT/UDD et al.'s idea of reform is to systematically purge all independent organizations, including the courts, of all elements who are not beholden to them. That in turn, reminds me of democracy "post Weimar Republic style".

[englishoak]

The courts are no less corrupt that the rest of society here. I think you'll find that is the inference of the comment. When you have a whole system that is messed up its little surprise the courts are suspect as well.

In a way highlighting this is good for everyone. There was no mention of reforming the judicial system and the rule of law should come very high on the list along with the police enforcing these rulings those who sit in judgement should also be neutral and concerned only with what is legal and what isnt.. this has not been and is not the case, we have seen some very strange rulings of late and behaviours of certain agencies that have gone far beyond their supposed neutral status.

If things are going to change here and be reformed it should be made clear to one and all that if people can ignore court orders and summons to appear on one side then it is perfectly ok to ignore another order or finding by the opposite side. The law system here is broken no less than everything else.

We also dont know this OP heading is true or accurate, it IS the Nation after all

Tanks in by Friday ? nope I don't think so

It's all well and good to suggest that the judicial branch should be included in the process of reform. What robs the reds of any credibility in this regard, is that they seem perfectly happy to avail themselves of the services of the courts, and other agencies, when they agree with the PT/UDD/TS agenda.

I strongly suspect that the PT/UDD et al.'s idea of reform is to systematically purge all independent organizations, including the courts, of all elements who are not beholden to them. That in turn, reminds me of democracy "post Weimar Republic style".

I certainly agree, no side here has the common peoples interest at heart just their own little and nefarious agenda and I suspect the judges/courts have their own predispositions aligned depending on their loyalty.

[thesetat2013]

I see the yellow brigade are out decrying PT for disputing the legality of the Ombudsman's actions. It must be good to have an intricate knowledge of Thai law so that you can say without a reasonable doubt that the Ombudsman had a right to forward a petition on the poll to the Constitutional Court and that there was a conflict between the Royal Decree on the House dissolution, which stated February 2 as the only election date, and the charter.

Reality is, you just come out to cheer anything that can be construed as negative towards PT and you actually haven't got any idea about the legality of the issues involved.

Isnt it any thais right to petition the constitiion court to review something they believe is a violation of the constitution? So why turn this into an attack on people who did the petitioning and why single out people just because it would hurt the PTP?

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[Phatcharanan]

Oh boy... here we go again.

Looks like the theory that PTP want the military to stage a coup is true... If they refuse to obey the constitutional court then military intervention is the only remaining option...

Tanks by Friday anyone?

By Thursday......or sooner.

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

[noitom]

Thais are again "defying." They love to defy, shuffle, assure, commit, crackdown, verifying, investigating, taking measures, but defying and cracking down are prolific in Thai news spreads.