Airlines demand crackdown on unruly passengers

[jacko45k]

sorry but i wear a nice shirt, decent shorts and also flip flops. if the <deleted> in some airports did not demand you remove your shoes i would wear shoes

Sorry but no excuse for Flip-flops and anyway, the business about shoe removal is for YOUR OWN SAFETY. If they stop just ONE SHOE BOMBER from boarding a flight, I hope it is MY Flight and I don't mind what they do to ensure my safety. If you must wear Flip-Flops, simply stay at home or go to the beach..... Hope you at least take the trouble to clean out the muck from under your toe nails.

What about socks and proper sandals? Does that satisfy your criteria of what's acceptable? I've only worn covered shoes in 20 years in Thailand maybe 3-4 times. My wedding, meeting a PM and one other important person. But always wear dress pants and dress shirts when out or at work (my wife spelled out that criteria after we got married.

Sounds like she is the one who wears the pants!

I always get on board in BKK in shorts and sandals... memories of the airport being too warm.

Change clothes in the toilet ready for the English summer.

Another idea is an unscheduled landing to remove troublesome passengers en-route.

I am sure one of the 'stans' can deal with them better than Europe!

[Skint]

Depends who you fly with and where you sit, the French have been the rudest passengers I have sat with. seat pulling, loudness and getting up for a pish too often. When I burn upto 2k eur on business flights believe me it's worth it not to sit with the turkey's.

[Bucko]

Last trip back to Amsterdam a very drunk passenger kept going to his stash of Chang for a drink.(I saw him at least 7 times). I pointed it out to the Hostess. She didn't give a <deleted>. How he got past the security check I don't know.

Because security at BKK is before you pass immigration and that's where they take away any liquids pastes or ungents that are too big for regulations. Everything on the air-side is considered a secure area, including all the water, beer and whisky you care to tote onboard. I think the only airlines that have a secondary security search are United (but I think they don't come here anymore) and (probably) El Al. Oh, and I think Air France still has those shady looking ex-foreign legionnaire types giving you a secondary gate grope pat-down as well.

Amsterdam is one of those pain-in-the-arse airports where the security scan is at the gate and unless you have drunk it already, it gets taken away.

Next time bring your own six-pack (or two) and enjoy yourself too.

You can add the Qantas gate to Sydney to that NanLaw----every recent trip there has been a bag search and confiscation of liquids that are deemed to be too much--- a nice little " earner " for the boys/girls at the gate maybe ??

I know that in N.Z all confiscated liquids are destroyed--that's the word from a friend of mine who works Security at Auckland Airport--

I think it would be TOOOOO much for me --and break down--to watch a 12 year old Single Malt being poured down the drain

[atyclb]

Airlines should stop their alcoholic beverage service but they'd lose money. I have never seen an unruly passenger in which alcohol was not involved.

Dont care how they are dressed, as long as they dont smell.

No lack of hi-so unruly passengers when alcohol is involved.

[chuckd]

This is not good if you are an unruly passenger like me. Haha, my friend and I in the 80s would fly coach and raise hell until thru moved us to first class and fave us good food and free drinks to shut us up. That does not work anymore.

Why does this admission of bad behaviour not shock me?

[HerbalEd]

One better be on their best behavior when flying in USA. There is minuscule tolerance of misbehavior and you'll be immediately arrested and prosecuted upon landing. Or, even better, if there's an undercover agent on board the flight, you'll quickly be taken down on the spot.

[HerbalEd]

This is not good if you are an unruly passenger like me. Haha, my friend and I in the 80s would fly coach and raise hell until thru moved us to first class and fave us good food and free drinks to shut us up. That does not work anymore.

Why are you bragging about this as if it's something to be proud of? Although it sounds like a bunch of highly exaggerated BS, actually. Impossible to believe they'd move rowdy drunk hooligans into first class to annoy their premium customers.

[Lancelot]

I think most passengers demand protection from loutish behavior. Its to be expected when discipline is lacking at home and many children grow up without a responsible father.

Unfortunately I don't see this improving any time soon,

[Lancelot]

Last trip back to Amsterdam a very drunk passenger kept going to his stash of Chang for a drink.(I saw him at least 7 times). I pointed it out to the Hostess. She didn't give a <deleted>. How he got past the security check I don't know.

Because security at BKK is before you pass immigration and that's where they take away any liquids pastes or ungents that are too big for regulations. Everything on the air-side is considered a secure area, including all the water, beer and whisky you care to tote onboard. I think the only airlines that have a secondary security search are United (but I think they don't come here anymore) and (probably) El Al. Oh, and I think Air France still has those shady looking ex-foreign legionnaire types giving you a secondary gate grope pat-down as well.

Amsterdam is one of those pain-in-the-arse airports where the security scan is at the gate and unless you have drunk it already, it gets taken away.

Next time bring your own six-pack (or two) and enjoy yourself too.

Funny story about security and tooth paste. I had a 160 gram tube of tooth paste that was nearly empty, maybe enough for two or more brushings at most. Security confiscated it and when I asked why, she triumphantly pointed to the size written on the tube. When I asked what sizes were acceptable, she froze with the proverbial "Deer in the Headlights look, then proceeded to the next person in line...

Don't ask, don't tell at Bangkok Airport

[speedtripler]

if there was bit more room it would be less stressfull

if the guy in front of you puts his seat all the back to "relax '"

you have his headrest nearly in your face and dont have any room to read a book or magazine unless you hold it to the side

the only solution to give yourself room is to put your own seat back as far as it goes and do the same to the guy behind you

whether you want to be seated on an incline or not you have no choice if you want your 6 inches of space back.......

i find tis very annoying because i am 6 foot 1" and i am squashed with no choice but to squash the person behind me

a fight nearly started once when i put my seat back and a big russian guy tried to press his knees so my seat couldnt recline into "his space "

chaos lol

[F430murci]

This is not good if you are an unruly passenger like me. Haha, my friend and I in the 80s would fly coach and raise hell until thru moved us to first class and fave us good food and free drinks to shut us up. That does not work anymore.

Why are you bragging about this as if it's something to be proud of? Although it sounds like a bunch of highly exaggerated BS, actually. Impossible to believe they'd move rowdy drunk hooligans into first class to annoy their premium customers.

wah, wah, wah . . . Completely proud of my younger day escapades. Be surprised what one could get when one worked for it . . .

[F430murci]

Great, nothing worse than having to sit next to / near a loud mouth or completely drunk passanger. Its not fair for the rest of us, and the crew !

What depresses me is how often I find myself sat next to a totally sober person, it's enough to turn someone to drink.

That or someone with stinky breathe. Vodka breathe over stinky old dude breathe any day.

[F430murci]

This is not good if you are an unruly passenger like me. Haha, my friend and I in the 80s would fly coach and raise hell until thru moved us to first class and fave us good food and free drinks to shut us up. That does not work anymore.

Why does this admission of bad behaviour not shock me?

Haha, ya old stick in the mud . . . Gotta learn to live life. Heck, I was 19 and 20 when this happened, living in St. Martin and lovin life.

[F430murci]

One better be on their best behavior when flying in USA. There is minuscule tolerance of misbehavior and you'll be immediately arrested and prosecuted upon landing. Or, even better, if there's an undercover agent on board the flight, you'll quickly be taken down on the spot.

I had a trip to Phoenix from east coast right after 911. We were in first class and this really big, like 6'8", foreigner looking dude came up from coach and was heading toward cockpit when we were beginning our descent and fasten seat belt was on. He was just heading to bathroom, but it was like everyone was looking around like who the f was going to take this guy down. He was huge!

DC is the worst now. Seems like I always have to pee about the time we hit that stay seat in your seat no matter what zone. One time we got put in a pattern I guess due to traffic and I was close to saying screw it, arrest if you have to but I gotta go.

[JLCrab]

if there was bit more room it would be less stressfull

if the guy in front of you puts his seat all the back to "relax '"

you have his headrest nearly in your face and dont have any room to read a book or magazine unless you hold it to the side

the only solution to give yourself room is to put your own seat back as far as it goes and do the same to the guy behind you

whether you want to be seated on an incline or not you have no choice if you want your 6 inches of space back.......

i find tis very annoying because i am 6 foot 1" and i am squashed with no choice but to squash the person behind me

a fight nearly started once when i put my seat back and a big russian guy tried to press his knees so my seat couldnt recline into "his space "

chaos lol

As I fly to the USA via the Pacific route, wherein most all the passengers put their seat backs in full tilt-back (oftentimes smashing your knees in the process), I refer to it as the Asian reclining gene.

[folium]

Not sure what the fuss is about..

Any decent airline has always taken a proactive line on unruly pax.

Hence that talentless (compared to his brother), drunken oaf, Liam Gallagher, being banned for life by Cathay Pacific for behaving like the drunken bum he specializes at. If all airlines took a similar line these gits would be doing a lot of walking....

[hawker9000]

This is what happens when there's so much competition and low fares...the uncouth masses are allowed to fly.

Really? Raising fares and discouraging competition is your solution to the problem? 'Talk about punishing everybody for the sins of a few!

I have a better idea. Let's get back to actually punishing those (and only those) who can't play well with others. Temporary or permanent flight bans sound good. Nobody seems to know exactly how a name gets on no-fly and watch lists now, but adding individuals like these sounds like just what the doctor ordered. It's partly the airlines' fault. They don't want the negative publicity that goes with making these incidents too big a deal.

[hawker9000]

if there was bit more room it would be less stressfull

if the guy in front of you puts his seat all the back to "relax '"

you have his headrest nearly in your face and dont have any room to read a book or magazine unless you hold it to the side

the only solution to give yourself room is to put your own seat back as far as it goes and do the same to the guy behind you

whether you want to be seated on an incline or not you have no choice if you want your 6 inches of space back.......

i find tis very annoying because i am 6 foot 1" and i am squashed with no choice but to squash the person behind me

a fight nearly started once when i put my seat back and a big russian guy tried to press his knees so my seat couldnt recline into "his space "

chaos lol

As I fly to the USA via the Pacific route, wherein most all the passengers put their seat backs in full tilt-back (oftentimes smashing your knees in the process), I refer to it as the Asian reclining gene.

It's the domino effect, and speedtripler is absolutely right. The guy in front of you reclines; you get crushed if you don't recline your own seat. It's on the airlines - send your gripes to them. They're the ones spacing seats that close together simply in order to be able to cram more people in. They can't even serve meals without making everybody put their seats forward.

I have no sympathy with some a-hole behind trying to prevent me from reclining my seat with his knees, though I do try and be "gradual" about it so no one's actually injured... But if there's a reprobate behind me, I just relax for a few minutes until his guard's down, and then put mine back. Lol. If they don't like it, they can fly business class.

[Bucko]

Qantas has the answer---they have just reduced the economy points by about 40% --effective today for new bookings flying after July 1st-

that should cut down on any troublemakers--NOT !!!!

I expect there will be many like me and voting with their feet--Thai Airways has the best deal now -for me

from N.Z-----

[Scott]

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I expect there will be many like me and voting with their feet--Thai Airways has the best deal now -for me

from N.Z-----

If they vote with their feet, they better wear shoes. Some of our posters don't like flying with people wearing flip-flops.

[Bucko]

<snipped>

I expect there will be many like me and voting with their feet--Thai Airways has the best deal now -for me

from N.Z-----

If they vote with their feet, they better wear shoes. Some of our posters don't like flying with people wearing flip-flops.

O.K Scott--I will take off my Flip-Flops--and put on my Jandels

[chuckd]

This is not good if you are an unruly passenger like me. Haha, my friend and I in the 80s would fly coach and raise hell until thru moved us to first class and fave us good food and free drinks to shut us up. That does not work anymore.

Why does this admission of bad behaviour not shock me?

Haha, ya old stick in the mud . . . Gotta learn to live life. Heck, I was 19 and 20 when this happened, living in St. Martin and lovin life.

So, you were Justin Bieber's age when you were acting like...well, Justin Bieber?

[mca]

And why do the airline often hand out those disposable socks that will not fit anyone with a shoe size bigger than 7 in the amenity packs?

So you can have a crafty wank into one when everybody else is asleep.

[speedtripler]

And why do the airline often hand out those disposable socks that will not fit anyone with a shoe size bigger than 7 in the amenity packs?

So you can have a crafty wank into one when everybody else is asleep.

havent gotten socks since i flew with lufthansa years ago (i believe they are to keep your regular socks clean if you need to stretch your legs with a little walk or take a trip to the bathroom)

i think you have to fly business or first class to get them ,if your in the cheap seats they dont care about your socks

[Scott]

The last time I flew on Singapore on a long haul flight, I got the socks. They were a close match to some pants I sometimes wear and I wore them out one day. Somebody asked me if I fly on Singapore Airlines often! Slightly embarrassing.

[Basil B]

And why do the airline often hand out those disposable socks that will not fit anyone with a shoe size bigger than 7 in the amenity packs?

So you can have a crafty wank into one when everybody else is asleep.

havent gotten socks since i flew with lufthansa years ago (i believe they are to keep your regular socks clean if you need to stretch your legs with a little walk or take a trip to the bathroom)

i think you have to fly business or first class to get them ,if your in the cheap seats they dont care about your socks

Reminds me of a flight years ago "Bangkok, to Dubai via Delhi" you needed wellies to visit the rest room.

[RubbaJohnny]

Passengers would like to clamp down on UNRULY airlines,failing to check ID of passengers,poor food,baggage handling dispute resolution.

It would be good if MH370 folks all sue in USA class action and break the airline so badly no other will risk such jejune behaviour,

Its the old 6Ps my officer taught me

Prior

Prep

Prevents

Piece

Poor

Performance

[hawker9000]

Passengers would like to clamp down on UNRULY airlines,failing to check ID of passengers,poor food,baggage handling dispute resolution.

It would be good if MH370 folks all sue in USA class action and break the airline so badly no other will risk such jejune behaviour,

Its the old 6Ps my officer taught me

Prior

Prep

Prevents

Piece

Poor

Performance

And how does the U.S. figure into this? As the global mecca for class-action lawsuits of course. (Not that anyone can argue the fact...) Probably lowest marks for baggage "losses" (outright theft actually), poor food, and geriatric flight attendants as well, sadly.

[Dannyboy6]

if there was bit more room it would be less stressfull

if the guy in front of you puts his seat all the back to "relax '"

you have his headrest nearly in your face and dont have any room to read a book or magazine unless you hold it to the side

the only solution to give yourself room is to put your own seat back as far as it goes and do the same to the guy behind you

whether you want to be seated on an incline or not you have no choice if you want your 6 inches of space back.......

i find tis very annoying because i am 6 foot 1" and i am squashed with no choice but to squash the person behind me

a fight nearly started once when i put my seat back and a big russian guy tried to press his knees so my seat couldnt recline into "his space "

chaos lol

As I fly to the USA via the Pacific route, wherein most all the passengers put their seat backs in full tilt-back (oftentimes smashing your knees in the process), I refer to it as the Asian reclining gene.

Airline screwing you gene, not Asian,as the Whole World Reclines...

[Gina Monash]

I have witnessed 2 incidents where passengers just went out of control.

The first, about 20 years ago, We were boarding a Ansett domestic flight Sydney to Melbourne. A passenger in his late 20s who had 1 too many but looked okay until he opened his mouth, "lets get this party started, bla, bla" demanding a drink like those on the other side of the curtain. When refused and prompted to "quieten down please sir, your disturbing the other passengers", for the second time by a more than polite hostess before the doors had even been closed, his venting was then targeted on her as she disappeared behind the curtain heading towards the front of the plane which bought a response from others seated close to him, simultaneously 4 feds appeared, who told him "the captain has requested that you are to be removed from the aircraft". He went nuts, jumped out of his aisle seat screaming objections and obscenities, in the blink of an eye, he was face down in the aisle, handcuffed, assisted to his feet and frogged marched in silence off the plane. Pre flight drink all round, an apology for the disruption from the captain and off we went. Those were the days.

More recently, 4 hrs into a flight from the Gold Coast to KL. A Cock Head, on his first international flight I guess, continues to call on the hosties, "you have Flied Lice, love you long time, I like Chinese", A real arse hole. He was 12 or 15 rows in front of me and I could still hear some of the rant, he was getting worse as time went on, the couple sitting next to him had moved.

A male and female hostie were talking to the cock head and he went off, said something very upsetting to the hostess, grabbing her and pushing the male calling him a "Plick" which triggered a pre emptive move by at least 6 other passengers to restrain him, among them 2 small guys who had the least to say but had got to him first and were very active from what I could see. 5 minutes later, 2 male and 2 female hosties along with 3 flanking, I suspect were security, escorted him,with a blanket over his head and hands cable tied, to the rear of the plane. I got a glimpse of his face as he gingerly went passed in silence, it looked like he had been in a major north Queensland hail storm, there were lumps and small but severe wounds all over his face, he had 4 fat lips on 1 lip. 3 hrs later,He was escorted first off the plane by Malaysian authorities and I never saw him again. I found out from a box seat passenger who was telling a few of us in the immigration line, that the small twin brothers attacked the mans face and body with a flurry of blows in quick succession, just about every punch landed with a surprising crack, little fists like golf ball sized ball bearings thrown with surprising power and accuracy.

I try to take my manners and a bit of consideration when flying, as most do.

Ingrates should refer to the above.