Military Drafting of "Luk Khrung" Thai Citizens

[skyaslimit]

I was wondering if they can really be drafted in Thai armed forces, my elder son was registered last year, went there and postponed the drafting, as he is studying at university level, but we have to appear for the same reason again next month and ask for postponement for the same reason, we have to do it on yearly basis until he graduate or reach the age of 25.

My question is that by the law a child with a foreign parent is not eligible for armed services, I have checked it on both Royal Thai Navy, Army and Air force web sites, if true then why are we wasting our time in appearing.

Any experience/advice?

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[Showbags]

Do the websites confirm this ?

Linky please ?

My son will not be entering any such organisation.

If any one wonders why ?

Think bomb detectors.

Would any real responsible parent send their child into such a totally incompetent outfit.

[Mario2008]

As a Thai naitonal he is eligable for the draft until age 30, not 25. Sometimes they don't want people with dual nationality becasue they can't speak any Thai. Your son is studying in Thailand, so I presume can speak Thai and there is no reason to exempt him.

[samran]

Nothing in the law disqualifies a person due to foreign parentage

[skyaslimit]

He is eligible for drafting and not eligible for regular army schools? because Royal Thai Navy clearly states that both parents should be Thai citizens.

And yes he speaks perfect Thai.

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[tingtong]

and you really surprised seeing a double standard in Thailand?

as for your previous point, as Thailand is, i wouldnt want my son in the army, navy, etc...not with idiot "leading", not with brainless clashes on the Cambo border time to time about made up things, not with forever unsettled troubles on the south.

if it will cost for me, let it be; will see in 6-10 yrs time, when he should be eligable.

[samran]

He is eligible for drafting and not eligible for regular army schools? because Royal Thai Navy clearly states that both parents should be Thai citizens.

And yes he speaks perfect Thai.

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I'd be interested in seeing the rules if you could link them. A decade or so ago, the supreme court ruled that it was unconstitutional to disciminate on qualificatins to be MP's (at the time those with foreign parents needed a higher degree to enter parliament).

[skyaslimit]

He is eligible for drafting and not eligible for regular army schools? because Royal Thai Navy clearly states that both parents should be Thai citizens.

And yes he speaks perfect Thai.

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I'd be interested in seeing the rules if you could link them. A decade or so ago, the supreme court ruled that it was unconstitutional to disciminate on qualificatins to be MP's (at the time those with foreign parents needed a higher degree to enter parliament).

I will post the link as soon as I get back to my pc.

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[maccaroni man]

TMK all children can opt for a stay on the monk hood rather than the military and fulfill their duty.

[David48]

We have discussed this before but, to be honest ... till now, I didn't have kids.

Now I have TWIN boys.

I wonder if they did some time in the Army Cadets in a Western country ... would that make them less desirable or disqualify to serve in the Thai armed forces?

Basically ... since they served in one Army ... then divided loyalties?

[Showbags]

We have discussed this before but, to be honest ... till now, I didn't have kids.

Now I have TWIN boys.

I wonder if they did some time in the Army Cadets in a Western country ... would that make them less desirable or disqualify to serve in the Thai armed forces?

Basically ... since they served in one Army ... then divided loyalties?

There is something out there I have read that exempts anyone served in another countries forces.

However, not sure if cadets qualifies and/or if the requirement is for full service.

But....sure something could be lost in the translation of documents and a cadet becomes a special forces section.

[Somtamnication]

As a Thai naitonal he is eligable for the draft until age 30, not 25. Sometimes they don't want people with dual nationality becasue they can't speak any Thai. Your son is studying in Thailand, so I presume can speak Thai and there is no reason to exempt him.

There you go! I was going to break my son's legs on the way to the draft lottery when it was his turn.

Now, I will have him speak Esperanto to the officers. Great idea!

[samran]

We have discussed this before but, to be honest ... till now, I didn't have kids.

Now I have TWIN boys.

I wonder if they did some time in the Army Cadets in a Western country ... would that make them less desirable or disqualify to serve in the Thai armed forces?

Basically ... since they served in one Army ... then divided loyalties?

Three years of part time cadets at high school, or six months full time voluntary service post university graduation gets you out of the two years of draft.

[NeverSure]

No way would I let my child serve in the Thai Armed Farces Forces. I'd figure out something and in Thailand there is always an angle.

[Trembly]

No way would I let my child serve in the Thai Armed Farces Forces. I'd figure out something and in Thailand there is always an angle.

As conscription goes, I think you'd be hard pressed to find - anywhere in the world - an easier get-out clause than cadets (once a week for three years) during high school or six months reservist training after university, as samran mentioned.

No bribes, no laws broken, no comebacks.

Edited March 26, 2014 by Trembly

[tingtong]

No way would I let my child serve in the Thai Armed Farces Forces. I'd figure out something and in Thailand there is always an angle.

As conscription goes, I think you'd be hard pressed to find - anywhere in the world - an easier get-out clause than cadets (once a week for three years) during high school or six months reservist training after university, as samran mentioned.

No bribes, no laws broken, no comebacks.

In many countries around the world there is only professional soldiers....as salaried job. no need of get-outs, as there is no drafting.

and yes, no bribes, no laws broken...

[Trembly]

No way would I let my child serve in the Thai Armed Farces Forces. I'd figure out something and in Thailand there is always an angle.

As conscription goes, I think you'd be hard pressed to find - anywhere in the world - an easier get-out clause than cadets (once a week for three years) during high school or six months reservist training after university, as samran mentioned.

No bribes, no laws broken, no comebacks.

In many countries around the world there is only professional soldiers....as salaried job. no need of get-outs, as there is no drafting.

and yes, no bribes, no laws broken...

"As conscription goes..." It's at the beginning of the first paragraph.

Here, educate yourself : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription

Next.

Edited March 26, 2014 by Trembly

[bina]

and in many countries our kids all do army service, no otehr way out except mental disqualifications or physical ones, and yet many of thsoe disqualified still will do anything to join.

and many countries allow the person to not go to army if she/he has done service in an other country's army. its not a matter of mixed loyalities. its often just a matter of trade offs like with taxes. paid there, no need to pay here... sort of thing. could also be age tied... i.e. if someone has done army in one country chances are he is much older already and might not be army material.

[Ricardo]

As a Thai naitonal he is eligable for the draft until age 30, not 25. Sometimes they don't want people with dual nationality becasue they can't speak any Thai. Your son is studying in Thailand, so I presume can speak Thai and there is no reason to exempt him.

There you go! I was going to break my son's legs on the way to the draft lottery when it was his turn.

Now, I will have him speak Esperanto to the officers. Great idea!

Or perhaps speaking Klingon might qualify him for a post in the thai Diplomatic-Service instead ?

I mean, there really can't be very many Thais who speak Klingon, can there ?

O too worry about this problem, as my children approach 18.

[skyaslimit]

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He is eligible for drafting and not eligible for regular army schools? because Royal Thai Navy clearly states that both parents should be Thai citizens.
And yes he speaks perfect Thai.

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I'd be interested in seeing the rules if you could link them. A decade or so ago, the supreme court ruled that it was unconstitutional to disciminate on qualificatins to be MP's (at the time those with foreign parents needed a higher degree to enter parliament).

Here are four links, first two the qualifications and age rules for drafting and the last two are from Royal Thai Navy and Army schools which says both the parents should be Thai nationals

http://www.sussadee.com/News/PR_003.htm
http://www.sussadee.com/News/PR_001.htm
http://www.rtna.ac.th/annouce/01.php
http://www.enn.co.th/9288

[skyaslimit]

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We have discussed this before but, to be honest ... till now, I didn't have kids.

Now I have TWIN boys.

I wonder if they did some time in the Army Cadets in a Western country ... would that make them less desirable or disqualify to serve in the Thai armed forces?

Basically ... since they served in one Army ... then divided loyalties?

Three years of part time cadets at high school, or six months full time voluntary service post university graduation gets you out of the two years of draft.

True my younger son had already passed three years of part time military service and now he is exempted from the draft, the elder one is going through the drafting process since last year (postponing), my original question was that if they are eligible for all these military services then why the criteria for admission in Regular Royal Navy and Army schools is different? why both the parents should be Thai Nationals?

http://www.rtna.ac.th/annouce/01.php
http://www.enn.co.th/9288

[samran]

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We have discussed this before but, to be honest ... till now, I didn't have kids.

Now I have TWIN boys.

I wonder if they did some time in the Army Cadets in a Western country ... would that make them less desirable or disqualify to serve in the Thai armed forces?

Basically ... since they served in one Army ... then divided loyalties?

Three years of part time cadets at high school, or six months full time voluntary service post university graduation gets you out of the two years of draft.

True my younger son had already passed three years of part time military service and now he is exempted from the draft, the elder one is going through the drafting process since last year (postponing), my original question was that if they are eligible for all these military services then why the criteria for admission in Regular Royal Navy and Army schools is different? why both the parents should be Thai Nationals?

http://www.rtna.ac.th/annouce/01.php

http://www.enn.co.th/9288

Good question. I've got the drafting rules somewhere and I'll post them here, but in those there is certainly no mention of parents nationality.

I rather suspect these rules are legacy rules from a time gone by where citizenship of parents was an issue for national security, and these rules look like they are for entry into somewhat specialist military training academies and not for the general army fodder which the draft is designed for.

[skyaslimit]

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We have discussed this before but, to be honest ... till now, I didn't have kids.

Now I have TWIN boys.

I wonder if they did some time in the Army Cadets in a Western country ... would that make them less desirable or disqualify to serve in the Thai armed forces?

Basically ... since they served in one Army ... then divided loyalties?

Three years of part time cadets at high school, or six months full time voluntary service post university graduation gets you out of the two years of draft.

True my younger son had already passed three years of part time military service and now he is exempted from the draft, the elder one is going through the drafting process since last year (postponing), my original question was that if they are eligible for all these military services then why the criteria for admission in Regular Royal Navy and Army schools is different? why both the parents should be Thai Nationals?

http://www.rtna.ac.th/annouce/01.php
http://www.enn.co.th/9288

Good question. I've got the drafting rules somewhere and I'll post them here, but in those there is certainly no mention of parents nationality.

I rather suspect these rules are legacy rules from a time gone by where citizenship of parents was an issue for national security, and these rules look like they are for entry into somewhat specialist military training academies and not for the general army fodder which the draft is designed for.

You know what, 2 years ago when I accompany my elder son for the draft registration, Mr. Sussadee (in charge of registration) simply deny to register him on the basis of a foreign parent, that was very fine with us and I demanded to issue my son Sor Dor 7,8 and 9, which were necessary papers for him to apply for a job after he graduated, but he simply refused. Then I called my younger son who was serving at 3 year part time military at that time to bring his service papers along with his military ID, Mr. Sussadee checked the papers, smiled at me and register my elder son immediately (rather than issuing him Sor Dor papers), and fined him 100 Thai bahts payable at the related Police Station for late registration.

[samran]

I registered in my 30th year. I was referred to the police station for a 200 baht fine and then was issued with the certificate.

The only need I've ever had for the certificate is when I applied for my wife to naturalise as a Thai. I needed to show that I had done been through that process.

[skyaslimit]

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I registered in my 30th year. I was referred to the police station for a 200 baht fine and then was issued with the certificate.

The only need I've ever had for the certificate is when I applied for my wife to naturalise as a Thai. I needed to show that I had done been through that process.

I assume you were issued the sor dor certificate, is it says exempted from drafting? if yes, would you please specify the reason.

[Evilbaz]

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We have discussed this before but, to be honest ... till now, I didn't have kids.

Now I have TWIN boys.

I wonder if they did some time in the Army Cadets in a Western country ... would that make them less desirable or disqualify to serve in the Thai armed forces?

Basically ... since they served in one Army ... then divided loyalties?

Three years of part time cadets at high school, or six months full time voluntary service post university graduation gets you out of the two years of draft.

True my younger son had already passed three years of part time military service and now he is exempted from the draft, the elder one is going through the drafting process since last year (postponing), my original question was that if they are eligible for all these military services then why the criteria for admission in Regular Royal Navy and Army schools is different? why both the parents should be Thai Nationals?

http://www.rtna.ac.th/annouce/01.php

http://www.enn.co.th/9288

Is it possible these military schools don't want to turn out an intelligent, bilingual, questioning, logical , leuk krung Officer?

[samran]

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We have discussed this before but, to be honest ... till now, I didn't have kids.

Now I have TWIN boys.

I wonder if they did some time in the Army Cadets in a Western country ... would that make them less desirable or disqualify to serve in the Thai armed forces?

Basically ... since they served in one Army ... then divided loyalties?

Three years of part time cadets at high school, or six months full time voluntary service post university graduation gets you out of the two years of draft.

True my younger son had already passed three years of part time military service and now he is exempted from the draft, the elder one is going through the drafting process since last year (postponing), my original question was that if they are eligible for all these military services then why the criteria for admission in Regular Royal Navy and Army schools is different? why both the parents should be Thai Nationals?

http://www.rtna.ac.th/annouce/01.php

http://www.enn.co.th/9288

Is it possible these military schools don't want to turn out an intelligent, bilingual, questioning, logical , leuk krung Officer?

Highly suspect that the rules were aimed at those with Chinese parentage. As I said before, I suspect the rule is a cold war relic.

[samran]

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I registered in my 30th year. I was referred to the police station for a 200 baht fine and then was issued with the certificate.

The only need I've ever had for the certificate is when I applied for my wife to naturalise as a Thai. I needed to show that I had done been through that process.

I assume you were issued the sor dor certificate, is it says exempted from drafting? if yes, would you please specify the reason.

Here are the draft rules which I used as a reference.

Also attached is the letter which accompanied my draft certificate, stating I had reported but was released into second class level reserves due to being over 30. It states the rule which allows this.

As said, I only paid 200 baht for the late reporting fine, and at the police station not sasadee.

military.pdf

[Trembly]

We have discussed this before but, to be honest ... till now, I didn't have kids.

Now I have TWIN boys.

I wonder if they did some time in the Army Cadets in a Western country ... would that make them less desirable or disqualify to serve in the Thai armed forces?

Basically ... since they served in one Army ... then divided loyalties?

Three years of part time cadets at high school, or six months full time voluntary service post university graduation gets you out of the two years of draft.

True my younger son had already passed three years of part time military service and now he is exempted from the draft, the elder one is going through the drafting process since last year (postponing), my original question was that if they are eligible for all these military services then why the criteria for admission in Regular Royal Navy and Army schools is different? why both the parents should be Thai Nationals?

http://www.rtna.ac.th/annouce/01.php

http://www.enn.co.th/9288

These academies are by default open to voluntary enlistment only. Nothing to do with draftees.

[Sayonarax]

Mandatory service is a hypocrisy. Thailand must have 3-5 million people in the army at any given time if this mandatory service was true..