Thailand's 'red shirts' gear up for a fight

[northernjohn]

There is ways for the NACC to prevent this civil war from happening. The red shirt is now preparing to fight because they feel that the NACC is not transparent enough on the case that they charge against Yingluck and further more the case/charges started when the PDRC claim and push the NACC to charge Yingluck on the rice scheme. So in the eyes of the red shirt, the NACC is doing and siding with the PDRC and trying to take down their elected representative. If the DEMs really want to end what they call Thaksin regime then they need to pull out and shop this Suthep and go for election. On the ballot box even if they lose, they can still go ahead with the charge against Yingluck as an elected opposition party. When everything is clear on the court then they red shirt cannot do anything because if the red start a war then the military will have a reason to stop the red and the public/ international community won't see it as a coup.

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She may be impeached by a completely different case than the rice pledging scheme.

A group of senators are petioning a case against her for the illegal removal of Thawil Pliensri as head of NSC. The constitutional court have a much easier job of impeaching her in this case as nothing has to go through the senate as does the rice pledging scheme.

Which is peculiar, because she did reinstate Thawil when told to by the court. Whereas a certain abhisit who removed the Police Chief at the time (in the same way that Yingluck removed Thawil) and didn't reinstate him when told to, did not attract the ire of the Senators or threats of impeachment. Now why is that, do you think? Double Standards, the amart looking after their own?

One is detecting a pattern here...................

The only pattern I have detected, is your unrelenting gibberish about some Amart (aka Bangkok Boogieman) and But But Abhisit did it to.

Some day he will come to his senses and realize that he is just a tool in the Thaksin corruption juggernaut. Then again many never do come to their senses. A political and civic crisis here in the here and now 2014 and he ignores it to meander around in the past.

This poor demented wannabe is trying to bring in what he perceives as wrong 3 years ago. Even though the Senate and the NACC saw nothing wrong with it.

[Bluespunk]

The NACC will be held responsible if they make a hasty, biased decision. The rice scheme is ill-conceived and wasteful but it was clearly stated as an election promise. It must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that there is clear evidence of corruption and that Yingluck could have been reasonably expected to be aware of it. The US farm subsidy, EU CAP policy, Japanese gentan policy and many others around the world are based on flawed economic reasoning, riddled with bureacracy, and waste billions of taxpayers money, but they are not reason to topple the governments or leaders. Another politically influenced decision by the NACC will incense the govt supporters who have understandably had enough of being disenfranchised.

The UDD stormtroopers could not care less about evidence against yingluck. It could be so overwhelming a rock could see the truth and they would still scream bias. They don't care about any truth that is not their truth.

[peecee]

This will go on until the next election , most likely in May. If PM Yingluck falls on her sword, there are several candidates that stand ready to take her place, with the most likely her sister. However, the big issue is the impeachment. As much as the current government can be criticized over the rice pledging program, in a functioning democracy, punishment would be meted out at the ballot box if merited and not by a judiciary legislating from the bench. If the corruption commission can show the PM was directly implicated in corruption, then fine, impeach the PM, and put her in jail. However, to date, there hasn't been any tangible evidence of her corruption and that's why the NACC had better be able to make a good case. If not, then a popular uprising against the judiciary and its puppet masters would be expected.

The current state of affairs are a direct result of the judiciary biased constitution imposed on the Thais, anyone seems able to shout foul against the government for just trying to govern. In a modern democracy parliament sets the laws by which the judiciary operate and as you say, the ballot box reflects how the governing party are performing. Thai opposition party's have to come up with policies that are attractive to the electorate in order to win at the ballot box, instead they try to impose a government drawn from a cabal of the elite. This is not democracy and would return Thailand to the turmoil seen through much of the last century dating from the 1932 coup that resulted in the King fleeing to Britain. Coup followed coup with the military and judiciary setting laws that tied the hands of government. The rural farmers are much more politically savvy than back then and will not accept rule by a dictatorial regime so the elite had better wise up and accept democracy.

[3NUMBAS]

yingluck gets removed and they will go off their heads in anger all over the place. they wont take another removal of a democratically elected PM by chicanery

[Bluespunk]

yingluck gets removed and they will go off their heads in anger all over the place. they wont take another removal of a democratically elected PM by chicanery

And if she is guilty?

[Hawkman]

The NACC will be held responsible if they make a hasty, biased decision. The rice scheme is ill-conceived and wasteful but it was clearly stated as an election promise. It must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that there is clear evidence of corruption and that Yingluck could have been reasonably expected to be aware of it. The US farm subsidy, EU CAP policy, Japanese gentan policy and many others around the world are based on flawed economic reasoning, riddled with bureacracy, and waste billions of taxpayers money, but they are not reason to topple the governments or leaders. Another politically influenced decision by the NACC will incense the govt supporters who have understandably had enough of being disenfranchised.

And if the corruption evidence is clear, will the red shirts accept this? Yingluck may well have not been involved in benefitting from the scam, but she may well have turned a blind eye and it did happen on her watch.

As a Prime Minister you have certain responsibilities and must take the heat if a thing on this scale happens during your time in office, just like any other democracy.

Do you think democratically Governments should just ignore balances and checks, court rulings and investigations just because they don't like them? Doesn't sound very democratic to me.

But when red shirts are fed propoganda that any investigations or decisions that are against them are all politically motivated then what chance does this country have of moving forward? They say they want democracy but only when it suits them.

Looks to the rest of us that red shirt supporters think their rulers can do and get away with anything they want and wish and saying a big hell to ethics, laws and rules.

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...and if she is not guilty of corruption or willful mismanagement, then you and the other fanatics will accept her as a prime minister? Of course not. You will just concoct and fabricate some other accusation.

Hardly anyone is saying YL is guilty of corruption here. If there is no evidence of mismanagement and corruption involved in the Rice Scheme, then good luck to YL, just try and run the country properly and not for the benefit of one man; people who are against the regime just want a fair democracy, not one that just benefits one side and are fed propaganda to look the other way.

Who fabricated accusations? The bill is a fabrication? The scheme has no corruption?

The whole mess we find ourselves in is because this power hungry government were trying to whitewash their crimes through a bill and billions of baht going missing through the rice scam. These are not fabricated, it's all plain to see.

[manstr23]

"Did that "sufficient support" come through the ballot box ?"

Yes ! Since the members of Parliament are all elected and the members of the collation formed by the Dem. Party all voted to elect Ahbisit to be the PM. Done in real democracies around the world.

[Malone]

yingluck gets removed and they will go off their heads in anger all over the place. they wont take another removal of a democratically elected PM by chicanery

And if she is guilty?

They'll still go nuts and create mayhem.

She was elected by the Reds, so she's automatically innocent of any and all charges.

That's what a "mandate" means to the red supporters. Elected means they can do as they please afterwards.

Red democracy.

[thaigold]

Norhthernjohn ... You would have done quite well in Germany, 1933.

Well it looks like Thailand is going to have red shirt democracy.

Rule by the minority backed up with hired thugs and mercenaries.

Courts will be abolished and any other thing that they perceive in their pea brains or shall I say is inserted in their pea brains by Thaksin will disappear.

Defiantly not a good time for Thailand. They will be crushed by the army and Thailand will be allowed to return to democracy. The right to vote for the person of your choice with out intimidation by some red shirted bar fly.

[JRSoul]

Norhthernjohn ... You would have done quite well in Germany, 1933.

Well it looks like Thailand is going to have red shirt democracy.

Rule by the minority backed up with hired thugs and mercenaries.

Courts will be abolished and any other thing that they perceive in their pea brains or shall I say is inserted in their pea brains by Thaksin will disappear.

Defiantly not a good time for Thailand. They will be crushed by the army and Thailand will be allowed to return to democracy. The right to vote for the person of your choice with out intimidation by some red shirted bar fly.

Quite right. If Germany had a few more like him back then we might have avoided WWII.

[Skywalker69]

With guys like this, big surprise.

[Malone]

With guys like this, big surprise.

Besides the machete above, Red Shirt Leader Ko Tee has more weapons to "gear up for a fight"

About 40 red-shirt supporters of the government rallied in front of Nonthaburi police station to demand the police to release on bail four of their colleagues arrested last night for the possession of a cache of firearms and ammunition near the headoffice of the National Anti Corruption Commission.

Their leader Sornlak Malaithong threatened to storm into the station if the police failed to allow temporary release on bail for the four persons.

red shirt leader Sornlak (left) hanging out with fellow lunatic red shirt leader and large caliber handgun enthusiast Ko Tee on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=747183191960755&set=a.101234373222310.2883.100000072448578&type=1&theater

[Skywalker69]

With guys like this, big surprise.

image.jpg

Besides the machete above, Red Shirt Leader Ko Tee has more weapons to "gear up for a fight"

About 40 red-shirt supporters of the government rallied in front of Nonthaburi police station to demand the police to release on bail four of their colleagues arrested last night for the possession of a cache of firearms and ammunition near the headoffice of the National Anti Corruption Commission.

Their leader Sornlak Malaithong threatened to storm into the station if the police failed to allow temporary release on bail for the four persons.

red shirt leader Sornlak (left) hanging out with fellow lunatic red shirt leader and large caliber handgun enthusiast Ko Tee on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=747183191960755&set=a.101234373222310.2883.100000072448578&type=1&theater

Skary people.

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[northernjohn]

There is ways for the NACC to prevent this civil war from happening. The red shirt is now preparing to fight because they feel that the NACC is not transparent enough on the case that they charge against Yingluck and further more the case/charges started when the PDRC claim and push the NACC to charge Yingluck on the rice scheme. So in the eyes of the red shirt, the NACC is doing and siding with the PDRC and trying to take down their elected representative. If the DEMs really want to end what they call Thaksin regime then they need to pull out and shop this Suthep and go for election. On the ballot box even if they lose, they can still go ahead with the charge against Yingluck as an elected opposition party. When everything is clear on the court then they red shirt cannot do anything because if the red start a war then the military will have a reason to stop the red and the public/ international community won't see it as a coup.

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She may be impeached by a completely different case than the rice pledging scheme.

A group of senators are petioning a case against her for the illegal removal of Thawil Pliensri as head of NSC. The constitutional court have a much easier job of impeaching her in this case as nothing has to go through the senate as does the rice pledging scheme.

Which is peculiar, because she did reinstate Thawil when told to by the court. Whereas a certain abhisit who removed the Police Chief at the time (in the same way that Yingluck removed Thawil) and didn't reinstate him when told to, did not attract the ire of the Senators or threats of impeachment. Now why is that, do you think? Double Standards, the amart looking after their own?

One is detecting a pattern here...................

In your usual 'but, but Abhisit/Dems.....' effort you might at least get your facts right.

Just a few months ago the final result of Abhisit's case was issued. He didn't reinstate him because he wasn't in power.

You're correct in that Thawil is now in the process of being reinstated. The senators can take whatever action they like but it's doubtful that they'll get very far. Pity you have to include the amart conspiracy crap - it reduces a post's value.

Facts are not a part of fab 4 life.

I would love to see his face when he finds out it is not the Amart. It is the Illuminati.

[SICHONSTEVE]

She was made the chairperson of the scheme for Christ sake!!!

The fact that she didn't attend a single meeting is her responsibility and she cannot claim this in her defence.

She didn't heed any warnings because 'how could it fail' as it was Thaksin's baby.

This was one massive cock-up and corruption fest from the off, and she must pay for this now along with all of her other misdeeds!!

[AleG]

With guys like this, big surprise.

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Besides the machete above, Red Shirt Leader Ko Tee has more weapons to "gear up for a fight"

red shirt leader Sornlak (left) hanging out with fellow lunatic red shirt leader and large caliber handgun enthusiast Ko Tee on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=747183191960755&set=a.101234373222310.2883.100000072448578&type=1&theater

Looks like some of the "intellectual weapons" they said they'd arm themselves with.

[Baerboxer]

This will go on until the next election , most likely in May. If PM Yingluck falls on her sword, there are several candidates that stand ready to take her place, with the most likely her sister. However, the big issue is the impeachment. As much as the current government can be criticized over the rice pledging program, in a functioning democracy, punishment would be meted out at the ballot box if merited and not by a judiciary legislating from the bench. If the corruption commission can show the PM was directly implicated in corruption, then fine, impeach the PM, and put her in jail. However, to date, there hasn't been any tangible evidence of her corruption and that's why the NACC had better be able to make a good case. If not, then a popular uprising against the judiciary and its puppet masters would be expected.

A functioning democracy would not be run by an criminal fugitive and his family. In a real democracy a PM this useless would have been eaten alive by the media and sacked by her own party long ago. Probably wouldn't have been replaced by a relative, either.

Thailand cannot become a functioning democracy until rule of law is sorted out and that's got to start at the top.

Yeah ! In a real functioning democracy, the trumped up charges against Thaksin would never have survived. They would have been eaten alive by the media and long ago thrown out.

That's your opinion. How come he chose to run rather than appeal and fight? Maybe he knows more than you about the more serious 15 other outstanding charges to?

[The Deerhunter]

The NACC will be held responsible if they make a hasty, biased decision. The rice scheme is ill-conceived and wasteful but it was clearly stated as an election promise. It must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that there is clear evidence of corruption and that Yingluck could have been reasonably expected to be aware of it. The US farm subsidy, EU CAP policy, Japanese gentan policy and many others around the world are based on flawed economic reasoning, riddled with bureacracy, and waste billions of taxpayers money, but they are not reason to topple the governments or leaders. Another politically influenced decision by the NACC will incense the govt supporters who have understandably had enough of being disenfranchised.

And if the corruption evidence is clear, will the red shirts accept this? Yingluck may well have not been involved in benefitting from the scam, but she may well have turned a blind eye and it did happen on her watch.

As a Prime Minister you have certain responsibilities and must take the heat if a thing on this scale happens during your time in office, just like any other democracy.

Do you think democratically Governments should just ignore balances and checks, court rulings and investigations just because they don't like them? Doesn't sound very democratic to me.

But when red shirts are fed propoganda that any investigations or decisions that are against them are all politically motivated then what chance does this country have of moving forward? They say they want democracy but only when it suits them.

Looks to the rest of us that red shirt supporters think their rulers can do and get away with anything they want and wish and saying a big hell to ethics, laws and rules.

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...and if she is not guilty of corruption or willful mismanagement, then you and the other fanatics will accept her as a prime minister? Of course not. You will just concoct and fabricate some other accusation.

Oh for heavens' sake. She is not charged with either corruption or wilful mismanagement. It is Negligence & Dereliction of Duty. Accusations of her personal corruption is nothing to do with that and wilful mismanagement is in fact the exact opposite of negligence. The evidence includes 1. Being told there was corruption and she shot the messenger instead of investigating: and 2. Never attending a meeting of an organization she was chair of. Seems like a slam-dunk to me but we do not know what evidence she has presented;. But we do know that saying "But I was never there", will not help her case. Is that a little clearer now? Enough of this repetitive "Charges of corruption" nonsense by you rabid YS apologists.

[The Deerhunter]

This will go on until the next election , most likely in May. If PM Yingluck falls on her sword, there are several candidates that stand ready to take her place, with the most likely her sister. However, the big issue is the impeachment. As much as the current government can be criticized over the rice pledging program, in a functioning democracy, punishment would be meted out at the ballot box if merited and not by a judiciary legislating from the bench. If the corruption commission can show the PM was directly implicated in corruption, then fine, impeach the PM, and put her in jail. However, to date, there hasn't been any tangible evidence of her corruption and that's why the NACC had better be able to make a good case. If not, then a popular uprising against the judiciary and its puppet masters would be expected.

The current state of affairs are a direct result of the judiciary biased constitution imposed on the Thais, anyone seems able to shout foul against the government for just trying to govern. In a modern democracy parliament sets the laws by which the judiciary operate and as you say, the ballot box reflects how the governing party are performing. Thai opposition party's have to come up with policies that are attractive to the electorate in order to win at the ballot box, instead they try to impose a government drawn from a cabal of the elite. This is not democracy and would return Thailand to the turmoil seen through much of the last century dating from the 1932 coup that resulted in the King fleeing to Britain. Coup followed coup with the military and judiciary setting laws that tied the hands of government. The rural farmers are much more politically savvy than back then and will not accept rule by a dictatorial regime so the elite had better wise up and accept democracy.

The rural farmers are much more politically savvy than back then and will not accept rule by a dictatorial regime so the elite had better wise up and accept democracy.

Sorry mate!!!! . They can't be much more politically savvy because they are still being WILLINGLY ruled by a dictatorial regime!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hint. The Dictator (He that dictates all policy & actions) lives in Dubai. He, his family and cronies are the Chiangmai ELITE!!!!!! And, Suthep keeps telling them to wise up and accept democracy!

[Thaddeus]

A society can only call itself civilised when it has kicked out all the bullies.

Thailand is a long way off that.

[northernjohn]

This will go on until the next election , most likely in May. If PM Yingluck falls on her sword, there are several candidates that stand ready to take her place, with the most likely her sister. However, the big issue is the impeachment. As much as the current government can be criticized over the rice pledging program, in a functioning democracy, punishment would be meted out at the ballot box if merited and not by a judiciary legislating from the bench. If the corruption commission can show the PM was directly implicated in corruption, then fine, impeach the PM, and put her in jail. However, to date, there hasn't been any tangible evidence of her corruption and that's why the NACC had better be able to make a good case. If not, then a popular uprising against the judiciary and its puppet masters would be expected.

A functioning democracy would not be run by an criminal fugitive and his family. In a real democracy a PM this useless would have been eaten alive by the media and sacked by her own party long ago. Probably wouldn't have been replaced by a relative, either.

Thailand cannot become a functioning democracy until rule of law is sorted out and that's got to start at the top.

Yeah ! In a real functioning democracy, the trumped up charges against Thaksin would never have survived. They would have been eaten alive by the media and long ago thrown out.

That's your opinion. How come he chose to run rather than appeal and fight? Maybe he knows more than you about the more serious 15 other outstanding charges to?

I found it interesting how he said in a functioning democracy the media would have eaten them up and got them throw-out. I guess he doesn't watch FOX news in the states.

I wonder how long he has been here thinking that the media should be the Prosecutor Judge and Jury.

There is just no telling what these red shirts will come up with next.

My money says he doesn't even know what the charge he was found guilty of was plus the other 15.

and don't hold your breath waiting for him to explain with a government under his control he did not appeal it he just choose to rum like the rat that he is.

[Rich teacher]

The NACC will be held responsible if they make a hasty, biased decision. The rice scheme is ill-conceived and wasteful but it was clearly stated as an election promise. It must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that there is clear evidence of corruption and that Yingluck could have been reasonably expected to be aware of it. The US farm subsidy, EU CAP policy, Japanese gentan policy and many others around the world are based on flawed economic reasoning, riddled with bureacracy, and waste billions of taxpayers money, but they are not reason to topple the governments or leaders. Another politically influenced decision by the NACC will incense the govt supporters who have understandably had enough of being disenfranchised.

And if the corruption evidence is clear, will the red shirts accept this? Yingluck may well have not been involved in benefitting from the scam, but she may well have turned a blind eye and it did happen on her watch.

As a Prime Minister you have certain responsibilities and must take the heat if a thing on this scale happens during your time in office, just like any other democracy.

Do you think democratically Governments should just ignore balances and checks, court rulings and investigations just because they don't like them? Doesn't sound very democratic to me.

But when red shirts are fed propoganda that any investigations or decisions that are against them are all politically motivated then what chance does this country have of moving forward? They say they want democracy but only when it suits them.

Looks to the rest of us that red shirt supporters think their rulers can do and get away with anything they want and wish and saying a big hell to ethics, laws and rules.

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...and if she is not guilty of corruption or willful mismanagement, then you and the other fanatics will accept her as a prime minister? Of course not. You will just concoct and fabricate some other accusation.

Oh for heavens' sake. She is not charged with either corruption or wilful mismanagement. It is Negligence & Dereliction of Duty. Accusations of her personal corruption is nothing to do with that and wilful mismanagement is in fact the exact opposite of negligence. The evidence includes 1. Being told there was corruption and she shot the messenger instead of investigating: and 2. Never attending a meeting of an organization she was chair of. Seems like a slam-dunk to me but we do not know what evidence she has presented;. But we do know that saying "But I was never there", will not help her case. Is that a little clearer now? Enough of this repetitive "Charges of corruption" nonsense by you rabid YS apologists.

But as yet there has been no evidence of corruption. If it is not watertight they are playing with fire, just as they did with Thaksin's ridiculous Ratchada case. And again as with the Ratchada debacle, they are not following due process (the late addition of extra documents 3 days before she was due in court). Hopefully they won''t allow prosecution lawyers secret counsel with the judges as they did during the Ratchada case.

Unfortunately their bias and hatred for the Shinawatras is much stronger than any professional integrity or concern for the Thai people.

[northernjohn]

Ever since the appearance of designated redshirt villages, I have been of the impression that they are preparing to take on even the military in their mistaken cause to keep the very family that is using them in power. Some people never learn, and are totally subject to manipulation.

"mistaken cause"?? its their choice! If i vote for Monster Raving loony green party in the Uk, is that a mistaken cause?...no its my right to vote for who the hell i like........ this is no dig at you phantomfiddler........obviously their choice of political representative has nothing to do with the oppression, racism, derogatory remarks, insults and from being prevented their right to vote for who they choose, and all the double standards in this country an all. The way this section of Thai people have been treated is disgusting. They may not be educated (brain washed) but they are far from stupid..My family is from Issan they support Red .They are most certainly not terrorist or stupid in fact they are smarter than most bangkokians i know......Fortunately for Thailand these people are the majority in this country like it or not. These are the world famous smiling Thais that all us foreigners fell for ...thats why we came here.....These people have so far risen above the temptation to react violently which they should be praised for. They don't need to rise....or race to Bangkok..they already live here and on every soi. History from every civilized country in the world has shown that it is these people who always come through as the victor in any conflict against whatever odds. Apologies...... i don't like any of the politicians here ...but if i had to choose from the current or recent past group, it would be Thaksin all day long. I've witnessed the comings and goings of politicians in this country for over 15 years and in my short time residing here, the only time the Thai people ...normal Thai people..have flourished (in my opinion) was under Thaksins government...Business up...Tourism up.....ive seen nothing and no progress under any other government. In fact the reason the coup was staged against him was because he was cleaning this country up and was considered to be moving too fast to bring Thailand into the real world..and the under the table (yellows) people didnt like it.Please correct me if Im wrong......people call the reds terrorists....why? because they burnt buildings in a reaction to seeing their people being murdered. Central got burnt down.....who benefited? Not any redshirt...oh yeh sorry the owners benefitted. Brand new shiny store to compete with Paragon round the corner. no wonder they didnt let the fire engines in.............blimey its been a long morning!

You said please correct you if you are wrong.

OK

You are wrong.

Also you said a lot of nonsense including

 
and all the double standards in this country an all

Yes let an anti government protestor try to burn Bangkok down and he will be arrested. If you are a red shirt it is OK.

You also said

"mistaken cause"?? its their choice! If i vote for Monster Raving loony green party in the Uk, is that a mistaken cause?...no its my right to vote for who the hell i like

I believe you would vote for them. You do seem to like people like that.

Try thinking of the welfare of the people for a change and you will be able to get a better grip on what the Government is doing to the people. They choose to vote for those Monster Raving loony's because those Monster Raving loony's promised them pie in the sky. They not being all that educated believed it. Just trot down the street and ask your next door rice farmer how he feels about them.

the statement Thaksin made when he said give him 6 months and he will make you all rich should have been a clue that here is a loose canon.

I agree with you they should be able to vote for who they choose not who the village head man tells them they have to vote for and has them watched to make sure they do. This is one of the things the anti government protestors want stopped. As you say your self right now they can't. In reality (I know a strange land for you) there are a lot who do get to vote for a Monster Raving loony with out being coerced into it. They are just stupid and not interested in any one except them selves.

As for the Thai people flourishing under Thaksin the whole world was flourishing then. Even you would have looked good.

You also claim that you people in Issan are smarter than the ones in Bangkok why do you send your daughters to business in Bangkok and Pattaya? Why do your children leave to go to Bangkok and make money. The only reason they smile is because they don't know what is happening. They wait for one of Thaksin's hired men from the south to come and tell them.

[fab4]

She may be impeached by a completely different case than the rice pledging scheme.

A group of senators are petioning a case against her for the illegal removal of Thawil Pliensri as head of NSC. The constitutional court have a much easier job of impeaching her in this case as nothing has to go through the senate as does the rice pledging scheme.

Which is peculiar, because she did reinstate Thawil when told to by the court. Whereas a certain abhisit who removed the Police Chief at the time (in the same way that Yingluck removed Thawil) and didn't reinstate him when told to, did not attract the ire of the Senators or threats of impeachment. Now why is that, do you think? Double Standards, the amart looking after their own?

One is detecting a pattern here...................

Apples and oranges.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/707780-court-faults-abhisit-over-sacking-of-police-chief/

Apples and oranges, in that you think that abhisits sacking of Patcharawat was not a political decision? You don't honestly believe that abhisit sacked him because of his alleged (subsequently "disproved") responsibility for his "crackdown" in 2008, do you? These links might help you;

http://asiancorrespondent.com/17838/police-chief-drama-power-to-appoint/

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2009/09/18/politics/Police-chief-choice-now-a-contest-for-high-rollers-30112495.html

[fab4]

She may be impeached by a completely different case than the rice pledging scheme.

A group of senators are petioning a case against her for the illegal removal of Thawil Pliensri as head of NSC. The constitutional court have a much easier job of impeaching her in this case as nothing has to go through the senate as does the rice pledging scheme.

Which is peculiar, because she did reinstate Thawil when told to by the court. Whereas a certain abhisit who removed the Police Chief at the time (in the same way that Yingluck removed Thawil) and didn't reinstate him when told to, did not attract the ire of the Senators or threats of impeachment. Now why is that, do you think? Double Standards, the amart looking after their own?

One is detecting a pattern here...................

In your usual 'but, but Abhisit/Dems.....' effort you might at least get your facts right.

Just a few months ago the final result of Abhisit's case was issued. He didn't reinstate him because he wasn't in power.

You're correct in that Thawil is now in the process of being reinstated. The senators can take whatever action they like but it's doubtful that they'll get very far. Pity you have to include the amart conspiracy crap - it reduces a post's value.

He didn't reinstate him because he wasn't in power.

Really? I spend an inordinate amount of time "clearing my name" because of people like you saying I am wrong with one liners that do not even approximate the truth. And when I prove you and others wrong, not an apology, nothing. So here we go again:

In October 2009, Abhisit, who was then prime minister, ordered the dismissal of Patcharawat, who was national police chief in October 2008 when police cracked down on protesters gathering near the Parliament. The protesters had rallied against then-prime minister Somchai Wongsawat.

In December 2009, the Police Commission found Patcharawat did not in fact commit severe disciplinary wrongdoing in connection with the incident, as had been alleged.

Patcharawat said in a petition filed with the court that he had informed Abhisit in writing seven times about the Police Commission decision not to pursue severe disciplinary action against him. But Abhisit told Patcharawat that the Council of State, the government's legal advisory agency, had to be consulted first before the dismissal order could be cancelled, the petition said. However, the then-prime minister still failed to take any action on the matter.

Patcharawat's petition said it appeared Abhisit had been intentionally negligent and acted too slowly on the matter. So he took the case to court, asking for the defendant to honour the Police Commission decision that called for his dismissal order to be revoked. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/707780-court-faults-abhisit-over-sacking-of-police-chief/

[fab4]

Facts are not a part of fab 4 life.

I would love to see his face when he finds out it is not the Amart. It is the Illuminati.

Read post 115.

You know nothing, and by being in denial of the amart and the relationship with Thai politics, you will not learn.

[Fookhaht]

A functioning democracy would not be run by an criminal fugitive and his family. In a real democracy a PM this useless would have been eaten alive by the media and sacked by her own party long ago. Probably wouldn't have been replaced by a relative, either.

Thailand cannot become a functioning democracy until rule of law is sorted out and that's got to start at the top.

Edited April 1, 2014 by Fookhaht

[limitless]

Ever since the appearance of designated redshirt villages, I have been of the impression that they are preparing to take on even the military in their mistaken cause to keep the very family that is using them in power. Some people never learn, and are totally subject to manipulation.

"mistaken cause"?? its their choice! If i vote for Monster Raving loony green party in the Uk, is that a mistaken cause?...no its my right to vote for who the hell i like........ this is no dig at you phantomfiddler........obviously their choice of political representative has nothing to do with the oppression, racism, derogatory remarks, insults and from being prevented their right to vote for who they choose, and all the double standards in this country an all. The way this section of Thai people have been treated is disgusting. They may not be educated (brain washed) but they are far from stupid..My family is from Issan they support Red .They are most certainly not terrorist or stupid in fact they are smarter than most bangkokians i know......Fortunately for Thailand these people are the majority in this country like it or not. These are the world famous smiling Thais that all us foreigners fell for ...thats why we came here.....These people have so far risen above the temptation to react violently which they should be praised for. They don't need to rise....or race to Bangkok..they already live here and on every soi. History from every civilized country in the world has shown that it is these people who always come through as the victor in any conflict against whatever odds. Apologies...... i don't like any of the politicians here ...but if i had to choose from the current or recent past group, it would be Thaksin all day long. I've witnessed the comings and goings of politicians in this country for over 15 years and in my short time residing here, the only time the Thai people ...normal Thai people..have flourished (in my opinion) was under Thaksins government...Business up...Tourism up.....ive seen nothing and no progress under any other government. In fact the reason the coup was staged against him was because he was cleaning this country up and was considered to be moving too fast to bring Thailand into the real world..and the under the table (yellows) people didnt like it.Please correct me if Im wrong......people call the reds terrorists....why? because they burnt buildings in a reaction to seeing their people being murdered. Central got burnt down.....who benefited? Not any redshirt...oh yeh sorry the owners benefitted. Brand new shiny store to compete with Paragon round the corner. no wonder they didnt let the fire engines in.............blimey its been a long morning!

You said please correct you if you are wrong.

OK

You are wrong.

Also you said a lot of nonsense including

 
and all the double standards in this country an all

Yes let an anti government protestor try to burn Bangkok down and he will be arrested. If you are a red shirt it is OK.

You also said

"mistaken cause"?? its their choice! If i vote for Monster Raving loony green party in the Uk, is that a mistaken cause?...no its my right to vote for who the hell i like

I believe you would vote for them. You do seem to like people like that.

Try thinking of the welfare of the people for a change and you will be able to get a better grip on what the Government is doing to the people. They choose to vote for those Monster Raving loony's because those Monster Raving loony's promised them pie in the sky. They not being all that educated believed it. Just trot down the street and ask your next door rice farmer how he feels about them.

the statement Thaksin made when he said give him 6 months and he will make you all rich should have been a clue that here is a loose canon.

I agree with you they should be able to vote for who they choose not who the village head man tells them they have to vote for and has them watched to make sure they do. This is one of the things the anti government protestors want stopped. As you say your self right now they can't. In reality (I know a strange land for you) there are a lot who do get to vote for a Monster Raving loony with out being coerced into it. They are just stupid and not interested in any one except them selves.

As for the Thai people flourishing under Thaksin the whole world was flourishing then. Even you would have looked good.

You also claim that you people in Issan are smarter than the ones in Bangkok why do you send your daughters to business in Bangkok and Pattaya? Why do your children leave to go to Bangkok and make money. The only reason they smile is because they don't know what is happening. They wait for one of Thaksin's hired men from the south to come and tell them.

hi northernjohn hope youre having a great day.

In reply... ive usually voted blue back home (like to do business) while family and friends are voting red. I've always thought most people who vote for the MRLG party back home is usually not because they like them but because they don't like any of the alternatives. Otherwise considered a NO vote right.......

Yeh i looked good back then, still do mate....question though...why have those days not come back...whilst neighbouring countries seem to be flourishing............Thailand centers everything in Bangkok thats why everyone comes here....why do think the massive opposition (by bangkok elite) to the high speed train system...because it would decentralize Bangkok and there would be no need for all to come here. (separate from any corruption complaints please).......

With regards to the anti government protesters (not the leaders) i wholly agree they have issues that need to be addressed..... Reforms yes i agree..... for sure... make Thailand a normal functioning country...who wouldn't want that?.....absolutely definitely agree........... But why follow Suthep? He's no better than Thaksin when it comes to corruption, they are all corrupt and all use their followers for their own agenda ...show me a politician who doesn't.....but the Yellow side never seem to do anything for anyone but themselves at least PT on the outside wants to be seen to be doing something for the lower classes. Maybe you could explain..... when both sides are equally wealthy and both sides buy votes and both sides play by the same rules with the same opportunities, .....why cant they hold free and fair elections........ and theres only one answer....because they know they will lose.....they have no interest in policy building to win the hearts and minds of the electorate.......and therefore the majority of Thai citizens don't want them....its very simple. This is all about a Power grab and nothing to do with reforms. The PAD side had their time and they did nothing with it as far as reforms are concerned. Why worry now?? Theres more to this than meets the eye and time will tell everything.

[rubl]

Which is peculiar, because she did reinstate Thawil when told to by the court. Whereas a certain abhisit who removed the Police Chief at the time (in the same way that Yingluck removed Thawil) and didn't reinstate him when told to, did not attract the ire of the Senators or threats of impeachment. Now why is that, do you think? Double Standards, the amart looking after their own?

One is detecting a pattern here...................

In your usual 'but, but Abhisit/Dems.....' effort you might at least get your facts right.

Just a few months ago the final result of Abhisit's case was issued. He didn't reinstate him because he wasn't in power.

You're correct in that Thawil is now in the process of being reinstated. The senators can take whatever action they like but it's doubtful that they'll get very far. Pity you have to include the amart conspiracy crap - it reduces a post's value.

He didn't reinstate him because he wasn't in power.

Really? I spend an inordinate amount of time "clearing my name" because of people like you saying I am wrong with one liners that do not even approximate the truth. And when I prove you and others wrong, not an apology, nothing. So here we go again:

In October 2009, Abhisit, who was then prime minister, ordered the dismissal of Patcharawat, who was national police chief in October 2008 when police cracked down on protesters gathering near the Parliament. The protesters had rallied against then-prime minister Somchai Wongsawat.

In December 2009, the Police Commission found Patcharawat did not in fact commit severe disciplinary wrongdoing in connection with the incident, as had been alleged.

Patcharawat said in a petition filed with the court that he had informed Abhisit in writing seven times about the Police Commission decision not to pursue severe disciplinary action against him. But Abhisit told Patcharawat that the Council of State, the government's legal advisory agency, had to be consulted first before the dismissal order could be cancelled, the petition said. However, the then-prime minister still failed to take any action on the matter.

Patcharawat's petition said it appeared Abhisit had been intentionally negligent and acted too slowly on the matter. So he took the case to court, asking for the defendant to honour the Police Commission decision that called for his dismissal order to be revoked. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/707780-court-faults-abhisit-over-sacking-of-police-chief/

Again all this? What should be mentioned is that December 2009 saw the Police Commission clear Patcharawat. They didn't tell Abhisit to re-instate Patcharawat as they only have the power to recommend. in this case. Patcharawat informed Abhisit in writing seven times and only after nothing seemed to happen did Patcharawat file a petition with the court. Now that would probably bring us towards March 2010 already when then PM Abhisit was starting to get a wee bit busy with unruly grenade lobbers.

It's just that the recent ruling on Patcharawat's case somehow ordered Abhisit to re-instate Patcharawat as NPC. Still no answer on how private citizen Abhisit is supposed to do that. Maybe he can ask caretaker PM Yingluck fro some help?