High Pressure Water Cleaner

[ignis]

If it going to be used just for car washing why not get one of these new fangled auto clean cars ? http://www.dailytech.com/Nissan+Testing+SelfCleaning+Car+Through+the+Use+of+Oleophobic+Paint/article34796.htm

no need to bother washing or looking to see if a high pressure washer is earthed..

Mine is mostly used for other things, all the filters in the Pond filters, all the pumps and pipes, walls and tiled areas outside all around the house, dog mats and toilet trays [have 8 long haired dogs] and all the fans easy and fast.. the smaller one use in the bathrooms on everything, cleans the drains out well, cleans the ironwork, upstairs terrace even the windows..

Edit: re Earthing........ Spain was the best, you could buy flip-flops and slip-ons, dirt cheap made of old car tyres

Edited May 14, 2014 by ignis

[transam]

I know I said I wanted 'out' of this discussion but quite frankly it concerned me so I did a bit more research.

I now know that there are a number of different types of grounding methods and it seems everyone is correct here, indeed a class 2 or 'double insulated' appliance doesn't require an earth..apparently! My own Zinsano and previous Karchers have the double insulated symbol on it however did come with a three core cable, which is why I fitted a 3 pin plug, 'just in case' anyone know if this is in any way detrimental to safety or can damage the appliance?

I also came across some news items related to this subject and can only assume the offending washers were not double insulated? or maybe they were and something else went badly wrong?

"A 53-year old man was electrocuted recently while using an electric pressure washer to wash a truck. This incident has prompted the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission to reissue a consumer alert about these products.

The Commission warns that consumers could receive a fatal electrical shock from pressure washers if the power cord connections become wet or an internal short exists. At least 13 such fatalities have been reported to the Commission to date, including incidents in Iowa, Louisiana, Minnesota, Alabama, and Illinois.

One incident involved a 3-year-old boy who was killed when he contacted a pressure washer being used by his father.

Since pressure washers are used to spray water, the power cord, washer, and consumer are often in contact with water. This can be a fatal combination, especially if the machine is not properly grounded." (source: http://www.aptcontractors.com/pressure-washer-warning)

Another one from just a year ago:

"Orange Walk police are investigating the sudden death of an eighteen year old Mennonite laborer of Blue Creek Village in Orange Walk Town. Clayton Rempel was electrocuted on Monday afternoon around two-thirty as he was operating an electrical power wash machine." source: http://edition.channel5belize.com/archives/84585

There are many other articles on this subject of course such as this from 8 yrs back http://www.nclabor.com/news/Deadly%20Info/06DeadlySeptOct.pdf.

Back onto the subject of the presssure washer, I replaced the tiddly in-line filter that came with mine with one much larger and I swear it works better for it.

Now Warpy, eat your words and take note where it says.."OR INTERNAL SHORT" .............in case you don't understand that, if the mechanicals develop a leak inside the thing, it will spray water over the electrics or short to the motor.

[VocalNeal]

Another one from just a year ago:

"Orange Walk police are investigating the sudden death of an eighteen year old Mennonite laborer of Blue Creek Village in Orange Walk Town. Clayton Rempel was electrocuted on Monday afternoon around two-thirty as he was operating an electrical power wash machine." source: http://edition.channel5belize.com/archives/84585

I didn't study rocketry science at school but the above happened in Belize, a country I am sure renowned for it's highly regulated electrical code.

Also the one pictured is not a plastic cased like the ones we get here for washing cars etc. it has an exposed metal frame.

Just saying....

As for the

There are many other articles on this subject of course such as this from 8 yrs back http://www.nclabor.c...adlySeptOct.pdf.

Anyone bothering to read this article would have found

So employees often used a

portable unit that was brought into the wet area even though it

was not designed for wet conditions.

The portable unit was being used by the victim at the time

of the accident. The machine parts were not listed and labeled

for a wet location,and the three-prong plug for the 240-volt

washer needed repairs. There was moisture in the plug housing

and in the washer’s master control box.

Employee interviews uncovered that the pressure washer

overheated frequently, and employees had received electrical

shocks before the fatal accident. The pressure washer had

been taken out of service, but no problems were discovered

and no repairs were made.

The hog houses were designed to be waterproof, but

because of missing covers on electrical conduit joints, fixtures

and receptacles, water damage had occurred.

At the time of the accident, the employee had plugged the

washer into a receptacle without a ground fault circuit interrupter.

The employee also was not wearing personal protective

equipment that would shield him from electrical shock.

So not exactly the go to Homepro buy a plastic housed domestic washer plug it in and die.

Same goes for keeping 3-years olds away from dad when dad is using power tolls.

On a light hearted note any real petrol head would get one of these? Thereby avoiding all said electrical problems

Edited May 14, 2014 by VocalNeal

[WarpSpeed]

I know I said I wanted 'out' of this discussion but quite frankly it concerned me so I did a bit more research.

I now know that there are a number of different types of grounding methods and it seems everyone is correct here, indeed a class 2 or 'double insulated' appliance doesn't require an earth..apparently! My own Zinsano and previous Karchers have the double insulated symbol on it however did come with a three core cable, which is why I fitted a 3 pin plug, 'just in case' anyone know if this is in any way detrimental to safety or can damage the appliance?

I also came across some news items related to this subject and can only assume the offending washers were not double insulated? or maybe they were and something else went badly wrong?

"A 53-year old man was electrocuted recently while using an electric pressure washer to wash a truck. This incident has prompted the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission to reissue a consumer alert about these products.

The Commission warns that consumers could receive a fatal electrical shock from pressure washers if the power cord connections become wet or an internal short exists. At least 13 such fatalities have been reported to the Commission to date, including incidents in Iowa, Louisiana, Minnesota, Alabama, and Illinois.

One incident involved a 3-year-old boy who was killed when he contacted a pressure washer being used by his father.

Since pressure washers are used to spray water, the power cord, washer, and consumer are often in contact with water. This can be a fatal combination, especially if the machine is not properly grounded." (source: http://www.aptcontractors.com/pressure-washer-warning)

Another one from just a year ago:

"Orange Walk police are investigating the sudden death of an eighteen year old Mennonite laborer of Blue Creek Village in Orange Walk Town. Clayton Rempel was electrocuted on Monday afternoon around two-thirty as he was operating an electrical power wash machine." source: http://edition.channel5belize.com/archives/84585

There are many other articles on this subject of course such as this from 8 yrs back http://www.nclabor.com/news/Deadly%20Info/06DeadlySeptOct.pdf.

Back onto the subject of the presssure washer, I replaced the tiddly in-line filter that came with mine with one much larger and I swear it works better for it.

Yes, thank you for proving my point, one must use caution and common sense while using one but they are not required to be grounded in all cases if it A) is double insulated and the manufacturer hasn't installed one due to other internal safeties, the cord ground is merely a redundancy on most modern machines.. JFYI my PSI washer has a GFI on the plug a far more effective way to impose safety.

I now notice too that both T/A and IMHO now agree with you and therefore throw up the white flag, agreeing with me as well.. Anyone doubting that was my first contention, go back and READ the posts again.. Of course in any situation as I noted clearly, one must not stand in a puddle, or submerse or water down the plugs, and this is absolutely the reasoning behind the electrocutions and probably would have happened in any case with or without a ground because operators are not following the instructions, procedures or applying common sense.. Geeezz this was another one of those exhausting lessons that hard headed, single minded people just can't seem to digest even when you spell it out clearly..

Edited May 14, 2014 by WarpSpeed

[Ace of Pop]

Our Car Wash is excellent, some of you are thinking its like Ford Service further down the Road.

[WarpSpeed]

I know I said I wanted 'out' of this discussion but quite frankly it concerned me so I did a bit more research.

I now know that there are a number of different types of grounding methods and it seems everyone is correct here, indeed a class 2 or 'double insulated' appliance doesn't require an earth..apparently! My own Zinsano and previous Karchers have the double insulated symbol on it however did come with a three core cable, which is why I fitted a 3 pin plug, 'just in case' anyone know if this is in any way detrimental to safety or can damage the appliance?

I also came across some news items related to this subject and can only assume the offending washers were not double insulated? or maybe they were and something else went badly wrong?

"A 53-year old man was electrocuted recently while using an electric pressure washer to wash a truck. This incident has prompted the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission to reissue a consumer alert about these products.

The Commission warns that consumers could receive a fatal electrical shock from pressure washers if the power cord connections become wet or an internal short exists. At least 13 such fatalities have been reported to the Commission to date, including incidents in Iowa, Louisiana, Minnesota, Alabama, and Illinois.

One incident involved a 3-year-old boy who was killed when he contacted a pressure washer being used by his father.

Since pressure washers are used to spray water, the power cord, washer, and consumer are often in contact with water. This can be a fatal combination, especially if the machine is not properly grounded." (source: http://www.aptcontractors.com/pressure-washer-warning)

Another one from just a year ago:

"Orange Walk police are investigating the sudden death of an eighteen year old Mennonite laborer of Blue Creek Village in Orange Walk Town. Clayton Rempel was electrocuted on Monday afternoon around two-thirty as he was operating an electrical power wash machine." source: http://edition.channel5belize.com/archives/84585

There are many other articles on this subject of course such as this from 8 yrs back http://www.nclabor.com/news/Deadly%20Info/06DeadlySeptOct.pdf.

Back onto the subject of the presssure washer, I replaced the tiddly in-line filter that came with mine with one much larger and I swear it works better for it.

Now Warpy, eat your words and take note where it says.."OR INTERNAL SHORT" .............in case you don't understand that, if the mechanicals develop a leak inside the thing, it will spray water over the electrics or short to the motor.

As Neal has so effectively noted, there is no words to eat, you both agree with me. His report SUPPORTS what I've been saying, not what you contend.. You obviously completely ignored the first part of his post and went right to what you THINK supports your position but again you missed the mark so to help you out, I italicized and bolded the pertinent part that applies.. See, "double insulated" but with a 3 pronged cord, I.E. redundancy...... Good night now...

Edited May 14, 2014 by WarpSpeed

[Ace of Pop]

Im Angry.!!! Fancy comparing my Beloved Car Wash and Watering Hole with a FORD SERVICE DEPT

[transam]

I know I said I wanted 'out' of this discussion but quite frankly it concerned me so I did a bit more research.

I now know that there are a number of different types of grounding methods and it seems everyone is correct here, indeed a class 2 or 'double insulated' appliance doesn't require an earth..apparently! My own Zinsano and previous Karchers have the double insulated symbol on it however did come with a three core cable, which is why I fitted a 3 pin plug, 'just in case' anyone know if this is in any way detrimental to safety or can damage the appliance?

I also came across some news items related to this subject and can only assume the offending washers were not double insulated? or maybe they were and something else went badly wrong?

"A 53-year old man was electrocuted recently while using an electric pressure washer to wash a truck. This incident has prompted the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission to reissue a consumer alert about these products.

The Commission warns that consumers could receive a fatal electrical shock from pressure washers if the power cord connections become wet or an internal short exists. At least 13 such fatalities have been reported to the Commission to date, including incidents in Iowa, Louisiana, Minnesota, Alabama, and Illinois.

One incident involved a 3-year-old boy who was killed when he contacted a pressure washer being used by his father.

Since pressure washers are used to spray water, the power cord, washer, and consumer are often in contact with water. This can be a fatal combination, especially if the machine is not properly grounded." (source: http://www.aptcontractors.com/pressure-washer-warning)

Another one from just a year ago:

"Orange Walk police are investigating the sudden death of an eighteen year old Mennonite laborer of Blue Creek Village in Orange Walk Town. Clayton Rempel was electrocuted on Monday afternoon around two-thirty as he was operating an electrical power wash machine." source: http://edition.channel5belize.com/archives/84585

There are many other articles on this subject of course such as this from 8 yrs back http://www.nclabor.com/news/Deadly%20Info/06DeadlySeptOct.pdf.

Back onto the subject of the presssure washer, I replaced the tiddly in-line filter that came with mine with one much larger and I swear it works better for it.

Now Warpy, eat your words and take note where it says.."OR INTERNAL SHORT" .............in case you don't understand that, if the mechanicals develop a leak inside the thing, it will spray water over the electrics or short to the motor.

As Neal has so effectively noted, there is no words to eat, you both agree with me. His report SUPPORTS what I've been saying, not what you contend.. You obviously completely ignored the first part of his post and went right to what you THINK supports your position but again you missed the mark so to help you out, I italicized and bolded the pertinent part that applies.. See, "double insulated" but with a 3 pronged cord, I.E. redundancy...... Good night now...

You should have been a politician........their good at "about turns".................. ...............

[rayinkrabi]

Wow Robert (the OP), you certainly started something here..all good fun imo but very informative. It seems to me that the experts here (and I am NOT being sarcastic as all of them have proved in the past that they really do know their stuff and I respect every one of 'em).

I'm interested to know what you decided on in the end? I personally would not be without a pressure washer, as Ignis pointed out they are SO useful, just use your head and it will serve you fine.

One thing I'm still waiting on tho is the the answer to my query as to whether it is in any way detrimental to safety or can damage the appliance if you fit a 3 pin plug 'just to extra safe? But I reckon I should post that on the DIY section as it's way off topic. Cheers all.

[transam]

Wow Robert (the OP), you certainly started something here..all good fun imo but very informative. It seems to me that the experts here (and I am NOT being sarcastic as all of them have proved in the past that they really do know their stuff and I respect every one of 'em).

I'm interested to know what you decided on in the end? I personally would not be without a pressure washer, as Ignis pointed out they are SO useful, just use your head and it will serve you fine.

One thing I'm still waiting on tho is the the answer to my query as to whether it is in any way detrimental to safety or can damage the appliance if you fit a 3 pin plug 'just to extra safe? But I reckon I should post that on the DIY section as it's way off topic. Cheers all.

An earth will never be detrimental to ANYTHING...................

[Ace of Pop]

Id get one from Idiots with Black Swirly Cars, no matter how you wash em they are swirly eventually.

[WarpSpeed]

Wow Robert (the OP), you certainly started something here..all good fun imo but very informative. It seems to me that the experts here (and I am NOT being sarcastic as all of them have proved in the past that they really do know their stuff and I respect every one of 'em).

I'm interested to know what you decided on in the end? I personally would not be without a pressure washer, as Ignis pointed out they are SO useful, just use your head and it will serve you fine.

One thing I'm still waiting on tho is the the answer to my query as to whether it is in any way detrimental to safety or can damage the appliance if you fit a 3 pin plug 'just to extra safe? But I reckon I should post that on the DIY section as it's way off topic. Cheers all.

Can't speak to warrantee because it's Thailand, but nothing wrong with being extra safe, it is just not required as I posted earlier, a company like Karcher isn't in the practice of manufacturing dangerous equipment, they already have strict laws guided by the EU. Just use common sense, if a Chinese product that might give me more pause but even they have been better on the safety end and sometimes even ahead since they do so much international manufacturing..

[WarpSpeed]

Wow Robert (the OP), you certainly started something here..all good fun imo but very informative. It seems to me that the experts here (and I am NOT being sarcastic as all of them have proved in the past that they really do know their stuff and I respect every one of 'em).

I'm interested to know what you decided on in the end? I personally would not be without a pressure washer, as Ignis pointed out they are SO useful, just use your head and it will serve you fine.

One thing I'm still waiting on tho is the the answer to my query as to whether it is in any way detrimental to safety or can damage the appliance if you fit a 3 pin plug 'just to extra safe? But I reckon I should post that on the DIY section as it's way off topic. Cheers all.

An earth will never be detrimental to ANYTHING...................

Yes, thank you for echoing me once again, not detrimental because it's redundant but not absolutely necessary either. Refer to my first post on the topic for confirmation of my original recommendations.

[bangsaenguy]

On a light hearted note any real petrol head would get one of these? Thereby avoiding all said electrical problems

Think you could mount a V-8 on that?

[transam]

Wow Robert (the OP), you certainly started something here..all good fun imo but very informative. It seems to me that the experts here (and I am NOT being sarcastic as all of them have proved in the past that they really do know their stuff and I respect every one of 'em).

I'm interested to know what you decided on in the end? I personally would not be without a pressure washer, as Ignis pointed out they are SO useful, just use your head and it will serve you fine.

One thing I'm still waiting on tho is the the answer to my query as to whether it is in any way detrimental to safety or can damage the appliance if you fit a 3 pin plug 'just to extra safe? But I reckon I should post that on the DIY section as it's way off topic. Cheers all.

An earth will never be detrimental to ANYTHING...................

Yes, thank you for echoing me once again, not detrimental because it's redundant but not absolutely necessary either. Refer to my first post on the topic for confirmation of my original recommendations.

Actually I meant that fitting an earth to anything that doesn't have one will make no difference to the appliances functionality.

For instance, my fridge freezer has a 2 pin plug, but it has a water connection in it to provide cold drinking water and an ice dispenser, it NOW has a 3 pin plug with earth cable connected to the chassis. The earth has also stopped us getting static "belts" off the thing......

[Ace of Pop]

.That Statics the only thing that wakes me up in the Morning.

[IMHO]

.That Statics the only thing that wakes me up in the Morning.

try coffee pop, 3 billion people can't be wrong

[WarpSpeed]

Wow Robert (the OP), you certainly started something here..all good fun imo but very informative. It seems to me that the experts here (and I am NOT being sarcastic as all of them have proved in the past that they really do know their stuff and I respect every one of 'em).

I'm interested to know what you decided on in the end? I personally would not be without a pressure washer, as Ignis pointed out they are SO useful, just use your head and it will serve you fine.

One thing I'm still waiting on tho is the the answer to my query as to whether it is in any way detrimental to safety or can damage the appliance if you fit a 3 pin plug 'just to extra safe? But I reckon I should post that on the DIY section as it's way off topic. Cheers all.

An earth will never be detrimental to ANYTHING...................

Yes, thank you for echoing me once again, not detrimental because it's redundant but not absolutely necessary either. Refer to my first post on the topic for confirmation of my original recommendations.

Actually I meant that fitting an earth to anything that doesn't have one will make no difference to the appliances functionality.

For instance, my fridge freezer has a 2 pin plug, but it has a water connection in it to provide cold drinking water and an ice dispenser, it NOW has a 3 pin plug with earth cable connected to the chassis. The earth has also stopped us getting static "belts" off the thing......

Yeah, unlike you, it was clear to me what you meant.. Still echoes me...

[WarpSpeed]

Yeah, unlike you, it was clear to me what you meant.. Still echoes me...

Trans Am who used to have a modicum of respect from me even though his knowledge most extents to V8's, has lost it all by posting unnecessarily in the Ladies forum. Do I give a Sh1t? No. Why does he post in the ladies forum well.. maybe he doesn't bat for the right team?

No amount of weaselling will dig you out of this one at least from my point of view. I am with Warp on this one school-yard humour.

Oh. BTW I am married to a Thai should you try and counter with "My friend" type argument. Most words I try and use to describe you are <deleted> by TV

Want to be king of the motoring forum? Sorry to do that you'll need respect for others, politeness,gentlemanly conduct etc not just a knowledge limited to V8's

Your next comment will likely be something like touched a nerve. I sincerely am trying to help an acquaintance or friend, you should try it sometime.

All you reading this indignant rant go here. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/726373-where-to-meet-caucasian-women-in-bangkok/#entry7828998

Respect Neal, and I'll leave it at that..

[transam]

Yeah, unlike you, it was clear to me what you meant.. Still echoes me...

Trans Am who used to have a modicum of respect from me even though his knowledge most extents to V8's, has lost it all by posting unnecessarily in the Ladies forum. Do I give a Sh1t? No. Why does he post in the ladies forum well.. maybe he doesn't bat for the right team?

No amount of weaselling will dig you out of this one at least from my point of view. I am with Warp on this one school-yard humour.

Oh. BTW I am married to a Thai should you try and counter with "My friend" type argument. Most words I try and use to describe you are <deleted> by TV

Want to be king of the motoring forum? Sorry to do that you'll need respect for others, politeness,gentlemanly conduct etc not just a knowledge limited to V8's

Your next comment will likely be something like touched a nerve. I sincerely am trying to help an acquaintance or friend, you should try it sometime.

All you reading this indignant rant go here. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/726373-where-to-meet-caucasian-women-in-bangkok/#entry7828998

Respect Neal, and I'll leave it at that..

[Ace of Pop]

Brilliant Reply , from T.A.. Be Happy why Worry... Chas n Daves " No Pleasing You" also could suit a few folks.

[WarpSpeed]

Eh? They deleted the beauty I put up? What in the world??

[myshem]

hello, where could I buy a not too powerful and quite small water pressure machine to clean aircon ? Thanks.

[transam]

Near all the big DIY stores sell them, though they are mainly over a 100PSI, but spray width and distance does reduce stuff...

[VocalNeal]

Macro. The are yellow.

 

 

On 5/9/2014 at 12:29 PM, VocalNeal said:

The guys that come to my house to clean the AC have been using the same cheapish small yellow unit for years.

They are about 1800-2500 baht. You don't need to spend a fortune for infrequent use. Simply make sure the unit has a trigger mounted valve and an auto cut -off. Little bottle in picture is for applying the soap.

PS the extra money usually only buys you extra hose but that is also important but has to be stored somewhere.

You could get one of these

But generally after a short period the utility functions cease to operate and maintenance goes through the roof.

 

Edited February 22, 2019 by VocalNeal

[transam]

7 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

Macro. The are yellow.

 

 

 

I have one, 11 years old and still works a treat except the sun has eaten the casing, now has sticky tape around it..????

[overherebc]

On 5/9/2014 at 12:29 PM, VocalNeal said:

The guys that come to my house to clean the AC have been using the same cheapish small yellow unit for years.

They are about 1800-2500 baht. You don't need to spend a fortune for infrequent use. Simply make sure the unit has a trigger mounted valve and an auto cut -off. Little bottle in picture is for apply the soap.

PS the extra money usually only buys you extra hose but that is also important but has to be stored somewhere.

You could get one of these

But generally after a short period the utility functions cease to operate and maintenance goes through the roof.

One of the worst problems that many of those develop is the nasty whining sound that can go from intermittent to almost continuous.