Phra Buddha Isara injured by water canon, teargas

[Morch]

And note he was peaceful, while the CAPO leaders, are shouldn't be leaders anymore since the CC ruling and act with violence.....They are now as much CAPO leaders as I am.

Just unbelievable! And where is the army?

Are you saying that anyone can come "peacefully" to your house, "peacefully" cut the chains if any and "peacefully" stroll into your compound and that this is acceptable?

The difference here is: My house is my house. But that building is public property, so every Thai is share-owner of it. And currently 2 criminals try to own it.

To keep your example:

So lets say: I sit in you families home. You demand that I come out and we speak about it (that I am not the owner) and instead of peacefully coming out (and agree or disagree with you) I just shoot at you.

Chalerm and Surapong just lost all public offices because of abuse of power...don't forget that.

How does blocking a major public road for months on end figure into this example, and what should be the proper response to it?

[Morch]

What did they expect when they starts removing barricades? They were met with a less violent response than what alleged PDRC guards have dished out in recent weeks.

Indeed Karma is a bitch and he clearly wasn't expecting it either!!

I don't think he wasn't expecting this, maybe quite the opposite.

Does wonders to enrage the crowds further.

But Kudos for him for taking the front line, don't see much of that in Thailand or elsewhere.

[webfact]

Police fire teargas at anti government protesters



BANGKOK: -- Anti riot police fired teargas at thousands of anti government protesters encircling the Centre for the Administration of Peace and Order (CAPO) on Vibhavadi road late Friday.

It was not immediately known how many protesters were injured as the figures varied from to 2 to 15.

By 1.30 p.m. today the significant road is closed to inbound traffic but the outbound traffic remains open.

The police fired water canon and followed by teargas after leader of the protesters Luang Poo Buddha-issara tried to enter the restricted and controlled area in front of CAPO headquarters.

The activist abbot was asking CAPO to take legal action against perpetrators who fired M 79 grenades into the Chulabhorn hospital which houses the Chulabhorn Research Institute, the SCB park and the house of a Constitutional Court judge.

Opposition Democrat party said attack on the Chulabhorn hospital and SCB Park was a symbolic attack aimed at pulling the country’s highest and most respected into the conflict.

As the abbot did not get response from CAPO, he led protesters to storm into its compound and were stopped by teargas.

By 2 p.m. the tense confrontation eased when police ceased firing and offered a negotiation.

Luang Poo Issara demanded the punishment of the police who fired teargas at protesters.
Talk is still on.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/police-fire-teargas-anti-government-protesters/


-- Thai PBS 2014-05-09

[wolf5370]

Shit happens. What was the socalled monk doing anyway? He is a <deleted>.

He was leading from the front, a trait not shared by those on the other side of the political spectrum.

And note he was peaceful, while the CAPO leaders, are shouldn't be leaders anymore since the CC ruling and act with violence.....They are now as much CAPO leaders as I am.

Just unbelievable! And where is the army?

Peaceful today, maybe - in public. His guards at the Chaeng Wattana site have been repeatedly accused (and in a couple of cases admitted to beating the crap out of people they capture from the "other side" ... including an army officer a week or so ago. Do some reading...

Hardly relevant! The actions of the police has to be reasonable for the given event, not related to other people in another place that follow the same ethos. That sort of thinking does the Pro-Government more harm than the PDRC - should it be acceptable for the army to shoot UDD spokes people simply because some Red Shirts have been launching grenades? Of course not - the reaction must be reasonable, and this was clearly not from the news we are getting.

[webfact]

PCAD Monk Leader Calls Tear Gas Barrage “Attempted Murder”

By Khaosod English


PCAD leader and Buddhist monk Buddha Issara eating lunch before his group stormed the Centre for Administration Peace and Ordre (CAPO), 9 May 2014.

BANGKOK— A Buddhist monk and core anti-government leader has filed attempted murder charges against the police that used tear gas on him and his group of demonstrators today.

It was the first instance of violence during today's large-scale anti-government demonstrations, referred to as the "Final Battle" by leaders of the People's Committee for Absolute Democracy With the King As Head of State (PCAD). The massive rally is part of the group’s ongoing effort to replace the current caretaker government, now led by Prime Minister Niwatthamrong Boonsongphaisarn, with an unelected PM and "People's Council."

Protesters led by the core PCAD activist and Buddhist monk Buddha Issara clashed with police this morning after attempting to enter the headquarters of the Centre for Administration Peace and Ordre (CAPO) on Viphavadee Road.

Buddha Issara led protesters to CAPO’s headquarters with the intention of negotiating with a high-ranking government representative. When his request for a dialogue was ignored, the monk attempted to enter the building despite police orders that he stop “trespassing.”

When Buddha Issara refused to stop, police fired tear gas and high-pressured water at the monk and his entourage.

PCAD protesters hurled water bottles and screamed insults at the police in response, but eventually retreated.

After the clash subsided, Buddha Issara went to Thoong Song Hong police station to file charges of “attempted murder” against the officers who unleashed tear gas on his group.

The clash also brought traffic on Viphavadee Road to a halt, with PCAD guards blocking several lanes of the road near the CAPO headquarters.

According to a statement by the Traffic Police Command, traffic on Viphavadee Road and the elevated toll way above the road were completely "paralysed" by the clashes.

Those who wish to travel to Don Mueang Airport have been advised to avoid Viphavadee Road use Phahon yothin Road instead.

Meanwhile, other groups of PCAD protesters are marching through Bangkok’s financial district and demonstrating in front of a number of state-owned TV stations and government buildings, including the Government House and Parliament.

Source: http://en.khaosod.co.th/detail.php?newsid=1399622569


-- Khaosod English 2014-05-09

[casindonet]

He must have forgotten an amulet .

or maybe amulet won't work with water

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[Prbkk]

The actions are entirely reasonable. It's a great pity there wasn't more like it last November/December...this issue could have been solved then

[wirat69]

How much will he sue the Police Dept for practising Songkran out of season?

[smutcakes]

Hardly relevant! The actions of the police has to be reasonable for the given event, not related to other people in another place that follow the same ethos. That sort of thinking does the Pro-Government more harm than the PDRC - should it be acceptable for the army to shoot UDD spokes people simply because some Red Shirts have been launching grenades? Of course not - the reaction must be reasonable, and this was clearly not from the news we are getting.

Well the army found it necessary to shoot 50 odd red shirts (including nurses) last time when a few were shooting grenades. The overwhelming response on TVF among the PAD/Yellow shirt/Democrat contingent was Som Na na, they new the risks.

[wolf5370]

The actions are entirely reasonable. It's a great pity there wasn't more like it last November/December...this issue could have been solved then

There was - where were you? Do you not remember the deaths and incredible amounts of injured people being shipped to hospital and rescued from the fray by brave soldiers, as the police fired military grade tear gas at the crowds for days. Worked really well that didn't it? The violent response simply does not work, it just causes escalation (and makes money for sellers of goggles and face masks) - they learned that then, the only reason to return to it now seems to be desperation. Hopefully they have not tainted the water in the water canon with chemicals this time.

[Just1Voice]

Putting on orange robes and shaving your head does not a monk make! This clown is about as much of a monk as I am.

Prove it!

Very simple. Monks are supposed to be non-violent, yet his "bodyguards" have numerous accounts of beating, shooting and killing people, which he condones, citing his own safety as justifiable reasons. Monks are forbidden to take part in politics, yet here he is leading one of the biggest, and most violent in regards to "guards", protest groups. Is that simple enough for you to understand?

[wolf5370]

Hardly relevant! The actions of the police has to be reasonable for the given event, not related to other people in another place that follow the same ethos. That sort of thinking does the Pro-Government more harm than the PDRC - should it be acceptable for the army to shoot UDD spokes people simply because some Red Shirts have been launching grenades? Of course not - the reaction must be reasonable, and this was clearly not from the news we are getting.

Well the army found it necessary to shoot 50 odd red shirts (including nurses) last time when a few were shooting grenades. The overwhelming response on TVF among the PAD/Yellow shirt/Democrat contingent was Som Na na, they new the risks.

Precisely - there is no good answer [to ending street protests]- which was my point [in another post in this thread]. At some point it either fizzles out, or ends in bloodshed. As I am not in that contingent you mention, I can not comment on their feelings. I would hope that no one says, "som nam na" with respect to innocents that die, ever, whatever the cause - I can understand where it is applied to illegally armed attackers (on all sides) however.

Edited May 9, 2014 by wolf5370

[jeanpierre]

First thing is that the person called Phra Buddha Isara - is a Fake Monk... And a fake standard bearer for democracy...

The monk is injured and all the reds here are celebrating. It doesn't take much for peanut brains to be happy.

Prove it!

Agree.

not peanuts but same same

[Zumteufel]

ah yes Bluesky - because they are not biased

Sad day for Thailand.

... and neither are the other sources of information, of course...

[wolf5370]

Putting on orange robes and shaving your head does not a monk make! This clown is about as much of a monk as I am.

Prove it!

Very simple. Monks are supposed to be non-violent, yet his "bodyguards" have numerous accounts of beating, shooting and killing people, which he condones, citing his own safety as justifiable reasons. Monks are forbidden to take part in politics, yet here he is leading one of the biggest, and most violent in regards to "guards", protest groups. Is that simple enough for you to understand?

Do you have evidence of his condoning such action? Not saying it does not exist, but that would certainly be cause for disrobing. He is a monk because he was ordained as such; however, he is breaking his vows by participating in politics, and maybe should not be a monk any longer. That does not make him a fake however, not yet at least.

[Mango Bob]

I can see the headlines Monk killed by splashing water. What I joke he is.

[wolf5370]

I can see the headlines Monk killed by splashing water. What I joke he is.

Plenty of people ended up in hospital and a few even died (if I remember correctly) when the police last used tear gas against the protestors. The water was also tainted with chemicals too, and combine with the tear gas. It is not a safe environment, for all the jokes, it is not like songkran.

[toybits]

He shouldn't be afraid to die - because if he was really and honestly fighting for a higher cause, he will be reborn is a state of grace or he might even reach that state of enlightenment many Buddhists aspire for.. or are the temptations of Earthly desires too tempting?

If people really wanted to murder the fake monk, I doubt they would use a water cannon... Just a thought and not a suggestion...

PCAD Monk Leader Calls Tear Gas Barrage “Attempted Murder”

By Khaosod English


PCAD leader and Buddhist monk Buddha Issara eating lunch before his group stormed the Centre for Administration Peace and Ordre (CAPO), 9 May 2014.

BANGKOK— A Buddhist monk and core anti-government leader has filed attempted murder charges against the police that used tear gas on him and his group of demonstrators today.

It was the first instance of violence during today's large-scale anti-government demonstrations, referred to as the "Final Battle" by leaders of the People's Committee for Absolute Democracy With the King As Head of State (PCAD). The massive rally is part of the group’s ongoing effort to replace the current caretaker government, now led by Prime Minister Niwatthamrong Boonsongphaisarn, with an unelected PM and "People's Council."

Protesters led by the core PCAD activist and Buddhist monk Buddha Issara clashed with police this morning after attempting to enter the headquarters of the Centre for Administration Peace and Ordre (CAPO) on Viphavadee Road.

Buddha Issara led protesters to CAPO’s headquarters with the intention of negotiating with a high-ranking government representative. When his request for a dialogue was ignored, the monk attempted to enter the building despite police orders that he stop “trespassing.”

When Buddha Issara refused to stop, police fired tear gas and high-pressured water at the monk and his entourage.

PCAD protesters hurled water bottles and screamed insults at the police in response, but eventually retreated.

After the clash subsided, Buddha Issara went to Thoong Song Hong police station to file charges of “attempted murder” against the officers who unleashed tear gas on his group.

The clash also brought traffic on Viphavadee Road to a halt, with PCAD guards blocking several lanes of the road near the CAPO headquarters.

According to a statement by the Traffic Police Command, traffic on Viphavadee Road and the elevated toll way above the road were completely "paralysed" by the clashes.

Those who wish to travel to Don Mueang Airport have been advised to avoid Viphavadee Road use Phahon yothin Road instead.

Meanwhile, other groups of PCAD protesters are marching through Bangkok’s financial district and demonstrating in front of a number of state-owned TV stations and government buildings, including the Government House and Parliament.

Source: http://en.khaosod.co.th/detail.php?newsid=1399622569


-- Khaosod English 2014-05-09

[Ricardo]

Does anyone else feel that it's slightly absurd that, when one of the protagonists (and a monk, to boot !) wishes to enter the 'Centre for the Administration of peace and order', to talk with representatives of that supposedly neutral & peaceful organisation, he is greeted by police using tear-gas and water-cannon, rather than escorted inside to meet Chalerm or whoever ?

Shades of Burma & SLORC, or perhaps eternal friends Cambodia & Hun Sen, or what !

[MickGC]

ah yes Bluesky - because they are not biased

Sad day for Thailand.

... and neither are the other sources of information, of course...

If the PDRC have it their way Bluesky will be the only source of news evidenced by todays protests at various other TV stations who in their opinion do not support their side of politics. Yes, very democratic that is.

[Mango Bob]

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I can see the headlines Monk killed by splashing water. alt=cheesy.gif width=32 height=20> What I joke he is.

Plenty of people ended up in hospital and a few even died (if I remember correctly) when the police last used tear gas against the protestors. The water was also tainted with chemicals too, and combine with the tear gas. It is not a safe environment, for all the jokes, it is not like songkran.

And you have proof of the use of tainted water with chemicals or are you just running from the mouth

[Morch]

Does anyone else feel that it's slightly absurd that, when one of the protagonists (and a monk, to boot !) wishes to enter the 'Centre for the Administration of peace and order', to talk with representatives of that supposedly neutral & peaceful organisation, he is greeted by police using tear-gas and water-cannon, rather than escorted inside to meet Chalerm or whoever ?

Shades of Burma & SLORC, or perhaps eternal friends Cambodia & Hun Sen, or what !

Well, if it was another monk, there would probably be no trouble.

Doesn't matter if one support the monk's actions and conduct or not, but surely everyone (including himself) recognizes that it can be deemed controversial (to say the least).

Most countries, no - wouldn't let protestors in. Maybe send someone to pick a written message.

This is not an out of context situation, why pretend it is?

[moonao]

Putting on orange robes and shaving your head does not a monk make! This clown is about as much of a monk as I am.

Prove it!

he has broken Thai Buddhist rules for Thai Monks

A bhikkhu's wrong mode of livelihood also includes:

"running messages and errands for kings, ministers of state, householders, etc. A modern example would be participating in political campaigns." (BMC p.152)

The very serious Sa"nghaadisesa Rule (requiring formal meetings of the Community) of 'corrupting families'[116] concerns the proper relationship that bhikkhus should develop with lay followers.

"The term 'corrupter of families' is one way of speech used by a group of bhikkhus. It does not mean that a bhikkhu gets angry, takes revenge, injures or destroys another's wealth. The meaning is that a bhikkhu flatters by behaving as a layman, or by serving lay people, or by hoping for gains, giving a little to get much. Doing this a bhikkhu is called a corrupter of families because he makes lay people decline in faith which is the cause for the possession of skillfulness. Although a bhikkhu behaving in that way may please some laymen, yet they will not respect him as a bhikkhu, only treating him as an inferior friend. The term 'of bad behavior,' refers to behavior beyond the bounds of a [recluse's] conduct, for instance, playfully associating with girls in a family, or playing games, naughtiness or joking, singing and dancing." (Paat. 1969 Ed., p.157)

... Or in the fake yellow shirt monks case, leading gun toting thugs in a political protest.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#fn-116

Edited May 9, 2014 by moonao

[Soutpeel]

Monks are forbidden to take part in politics,

Can someone post the photos from 2010 of the monks "who were forbidden to take part in Politics" during the red shirt insurrection ?

and how many were defrocked for getting involved with that one ?

[Soutpeel]

or are you just running from the mouth

As you do frequently dear boy ?

[Prbkk]

Clearly it killed his appetite for lunch...I can only see 6 dishes plus rice.

[toybits]

He was warned not to proceed. When he refused, he got what he wished for. More publicity for the fake monk. More fodder for the yellow shirts and fake democracy fighters.

Sad day indeed.

Does anyone else feel that it's slightly absurd that, when one of the protagonists (and a monk, to boot !) wishes to enter the 'Centre for the Administration of peace and order', to talk with representatives of that supposedly neutral & peaceful organisation, he is greeted by police using tear-gas and water-cannon, rather than escorted inside to meet Chalerm or whoever ?

Shades of Burma & SLORC, or perhaps eternal friends Cambodia & Hun Sen, or what !

[jeanpierre]

He shouldn't be afraid to die - because if he was really and honestly fighting for a higher cause, he will be reborn is a state of grace or he might even reach that state of enlightenment many Buddhists aspire for.. or are the temptations of Earthly desires too tempting?

If people really wanted to murder the fake monk, I doubt they would use a water cannon... Just a thought and not a suggestion...

PCAD Monk Leader Calls Tear Gas Barrage “Attempted Murder”

By Khaosod English

PCAD leader and Buddhist monk Buddha Issara eating lunch before his group stormed the Centre for Administration Peace and Ordre (CAPO), 9 May 2014.

BANGKOK— A Buddhist monk and core anti-government leader has filed attempted murder charges against the police that used tear gas on him and his group of demonstrators today.

It was the first instance of violence during today's large-scale anti-government demonstrations, referred to as the "Final Battle" by leaders of the People's Committee for Absolute Democracy With the King As Head of State (PCAD). The massive rally is part of the group’s ongoing effort to replace the current caretaker government, now led by Prime Minister Niwatthamrong Boonsongphaisarn, with an unelected PM and "People's Council."

Protesters led by the core PCAD activist and Buddhist monk Buddha Issara clashed with police this morning after attempting to enter the headquarters of the Centre for Administration Peace and Ordre (CAPO) on Viphavadee Road.

Buddha Issara led protesters to CAPO’s headquarters with the intention of negotiating with a high-ranking government representative. When his request for a dialogue was ignored, the monk attempted to enter the building despite police orders that he stop “trespassing.”

When Buddha Issara refused to stop, police fired tear gas and high-pressured water at the monk and his entourage.

PCAD protesters hurled water bottles and screamed insults at the police in response, but eventually retreated.

After the clash subsided, Buddha Issara went to Thoong Song Hong police station to file charges of “attempted murder” against the officers who unleashed tear gas on his group.

The clash also brought traffic on Viphavadee Road to a halt, with PCAD guards blocking several lanes of the road near the CAPO headquarters.

According to a statement by the Traffic Police Command, traffic on Viphavadee Road and the elevated toll way above the road were completely "paralysed" by the clashes.

Those who wish to travel to Don Mueang Airport have been advised to avoid Viphavadee Road use Phahon yothin Road instead.

Meanwhile, other groups of PCAD protesters are marching through Bangkok’s financial district and demonstrating in front of a number of state-owned TV stations and government buildings, including the Government House and Parliament.

Source: http://en.khaosod.co.th/detail.php?newsid=1399622569

-- Khaosod English 2014-05-09

nice diner water makes you hungry

[retell]

I call breaking down barricades and continue to move on despite warning tresspassing and he had it coming

[djjamie]

He got off very lightly compared with those beaten by his thugs/hoons/animals

There has been 95% more deaths and injured on the PDRC side sunshine. But why let "Facts" get in the way of your "Belief"

This comment highlights the greatest strength of the PTP is the ministry of propaganda. When not only the uneducated and gullible farmers that the propaganda is aimed at are brainwashed, so are the westerners that are supposed to have some intelligence and can make rational judgments.

Next you will say the rice scheme is not corrupt!