Sleeping arrangements with GF and daughter

[monkeycountry]

"for now... be content with the daughter on a mattress on the floor next to your bed.

you can "play when the daughter is sleeping."

That is absolutely sick and illegal. Having sex in the presence of a child is considered felony child sexual abuse.

I can't believe some of the depravity people are capable of.

Keep in mind that your cultural background and that of the OP is probably not the same. It may be illegal in your home country, but it is not illegal in Thailand, as long as the child is not involved, and it is not illegal in most western countries either. Some people may find it a bit weird, mainly because most people don't like if someone is watching/listening, incl their own kids, but it is legal nonetheless.

Also keep in mind, that centuries ago, it was common in ALL countries for parents to have sex in the same room as their children were sleeping for the simple reason that most houses only contained one room where everyone in the family slept. If that was not the case, most of us would not be here today. Granted, most people avoid this practise these days once the kids reach a certain age as most have several rooms and thereby options, but that does not change the fact that it is a perfectly natural thing and that it does no proven harm to the children whatsoever.

Apparently certain cultures find it sick, but certain cultures also find it sick if a woman drives a car, goes to school, talks to men outside her family, marries someone she likes instead of her cousin and so on, all of which both Thai and western culture finds perfectly natural. Perhaps it is just time certain cultures found their way out of the stone age?

Wait, so you say that people in your country have sex in front of their children? And it's perfectly natural? Are you from third world?

It's not illegal in Thailand but is it appropriate? I think this one is common sense here that you should not have sex in front of your children. If it's perfectly natural why would some people who live in one-bedroom house have to wait until everyone is sleeping and do it secretly? How can you think that it's right to show sex act, your penis, your wife's vagina, your dick moves in and out the mother of the children thousand times in front of them? Even if you say you just do it secretly in the same room, you don't mean to let them see, but what if they see those stuffs? Are you sure it's appropriate? Yeah maybe it was like this before in stone age but everything has changed and if it's changed in a better and more civilized way then I think we should do the right things. You are not living in stone age anymore.

What do you know about child sexual abuse? If it's natural then letting children watch pornos or live pornos from very young ages is natural too, right?

I was replying to a post that claimed it was both sick and illegal. I agree it may be inappropriate, depending on the childs age and the situation (as examples lights can be turned off, blankets can be used, and noises can be limited). In any case it is natural and neither sick nor illegal.

"but what if they see those stuffs?"

Yes, what if they see those stuffs? So what? Are they going to die or develop some mental problems or what are you hinting at? I doubt you can find a single serious survey which proves it is damaging in any way to the psyche of a child of any age to see a penis, a vagina or an intercourse, provided that there is a natural and for the child understandable context, such as their parents naked in bed or in the shower or their parents having ordinary intercourse. The child may think it is gross, but that is a completely different and non-harmful issue.

In many western countries, including for example scandinavian countries, which are generally considered as being at the forefront when it comes to protecting the well being of children, the public swimming pools are generally indoors due to the temperature, and the dressing rooms and showers are often shared, although there is one for each gender. That means kids of all ages will be seeing plenty of penises and vaginas in the shower, dressing room and even sauna, and not only that of their parents, but of complete strangers, and often the younger children will be seeing both genders, depending on whether they are going there with their mum or dad, as they are too young to shower and dress/undress alone. In other words, a 6-7 year old girl (sometimes older) can often be seen going with her dad to the mens shower and dressing room, where there will be lots of naked men with penises - and vice versa.

I think pretty much every single grown up person in those countries have tried the above as a child. Yet out of all those millions of people, not a single case has ever been reported where seeing penises and vaginas in the public shower as a child caused any form of trauma or other mental problems at any point in their lives.

Showers and dressing rooms at public schools, sports clubs etc are often also shared, which means older kids will be seeing plenty of genitals there too - although usually only their own gender.

Most people know there is a big difference between most porn and ordinary sex, so I will leave that for another debate.

[healthbkkbkk]

"for now... be content with the daughter on a mattress on the floor next to your bed.

you can "play when the daughter is sleeping."

That is absolutely sick and illegal. Having sex in the presence of a child is considered felony child sexual abuse.

I can't believe some of the depravity people are capable of.

Keep in mind that your cultural background and that of the OP is probably not the same. It may be illegal in your home country, but it is not illegal in Thailand, as long as the child is not involved, and it is not illegal in most western countries either. Some people may find it a bit weird, mainly because most people don't like if someone is watching/listening, incl their own kids, but it is legal nonetheless.

Also keep in mind, that centuries ago, it was common in ALL countries for parents to have sex in the same room as their children were sleeping for the simple reason that most houses only contained one room where everyone in the family slept. If that was not the case, most of us would not be here today. Granted, most people avoid this practise these days once the kids reach a certain age as most have several rooms and thereby options, but that does not change the fact that it is a perfectly natural thing and that it does no proven harm to the children whatsoever.

Apparently certain cultures find it sick, but certain cultures also find it sick if a woman drives a car, goes to school, talks to men outside her family, marries someone she likes instead of her cousin and so on, all of which both Thai and western culture finds perfectly natural. Perhaps it is just time certain cultures found their way out of the stone age?

Wait, so you say that people in your country have sex in front of their children? And it's perfectly natural? Are you from third world?

It's not illegal in Thailand but is it appropriate? I think this one is common sense here that you should not have sex in front of your children. If it's perfectly natural why would some people who live in one-bedroom house have to wait until everyone is sleeping and do it secretly? How can you think that it's right to show sex act, your penis, your wife's vagina, your dick moves in and out the mother of the children thousand times in front of them? Even if you say you just do it secretly in the same room, you don't mean to let them see, but what if they see those stuffs? Are you sure it's appropriate? Yeah maybe it was like this before in stone age but everything has changed and if it's changed in a better and more civilized way then I think we should do the right things. You are not living in stone age anymore.

What do you know about child sexual abuse? If it's natural then letting children watch pornos or live pornos from very young ages is natural too, right?

I was replying to a post that claimed it was both sick and illegal. I agree it may be inappropriate, depending on the childs age and the situation (as examples lights can be turned off, blankets can be used, and noises can be limited). In any case it is natural and neither sick nor illegal.

"but what if they see those stuffs?"

Yes, what if they see those stuffs? So what? Are they going to die or develop some mental problems or what are you hinting at? I doubt you can find a single serious survey which proves it is damaging in any way to the psyche of a child of any age to see a penis, a vagina or an intercourse, provided that there is a natural and for the child understandable context, such as their parents naked in bed or in the shower or their parents having ordinary intercourse. The child may think it is gross, but that is a completely different and non-harmful issue.

In many western countries, including for example scandinavian countries, which are generally considered as being at the forefront when it comes to protecting the well being of children, the public swimming pools are generally indoors due to the temperature, and the dressing rooms and showers are often shared, although there is one for each gender. That means kids of all ages will be seeing plenty of penises and vaginas in the shower, dressing room and even sauna, and not only that of their parents, but of complete strangers, and often the younger children will be seeing both genders, depending on whether they are going there with their mum or dad, as they are too young to shower and dress/undress alone. In other words, a 6-7 year old girl (sometimes older) can often be seen going with her dad to the mens shower and dressing room, where there will be lots of naked men with penises - and vice versa.

I think pretty much every single grown up person in those countries have tried the above as a child. Yet out of all those millions of people, not a single case has ever been reported where seeing penises and vaginas in the public shower as a child caused any form of trauma or other mental problems at any point in their lives.

Showers and dressing rooms at public schools, sports clubs etc are often also shared, which means older kids will be seeing plenty of genitals there too - although usually only their own gender.

Most people know there is a big difference between most porn and ordinary sex, so I will leave that for another debate.

You have big problems guy. I hope some Cop or pissed off parent sees your posts. As I said, go to a Police station and explain to them how it's OK.

It's amazing that a comment defending the rights of Muslims is deleted and the poster punished but perverts advocating their illegal sickness is OK. I did some research, took a lot of time because of companies behind companies in several countries behind several individuals but I finally came to understand why.

[monkeycountry]

"for now... be content with the daughter on a mattress on the floor next to your bed.

you can "play when the daughter is sleeping."

That is absolutely sick and illegal. Having sex in the presence of a child is considered felony child sexual abuse.

I can't believe some of the depravity people are capable of.

Keep in mind that your cultural background and that of the OP is probably not the same. It may be illegal in your home country, but it is not illegal in Thailand, as long as the child is not involved, and it is not illegal in most western countries either. Some people may find it a bit weird, mainly because most people don't like if someone is watching/listening, incl their own kids, but it is legal nonetheless.

Also keep in mind, that centuries ago, it was common in ALL countries for parents to have sex in the same room as their children were sleeping for the simple reason that most houses only contained one room where everyone in the family slept. If that was not the case, most of us would not be here today. Granted, most people avoid this practise these days once the kids reach a certain age as most have several rooms and thereby options, but that does not change the fact that it is a perfectly natural thing and that it does no proven harm to the children whatsoever.

Apparently certain cultures find it sick, but certain cultures also find it sick if a woman drives a car, goes to school, talks to men outside her family, marries someone she likes instead of her cousin and so on, all of which both Thai and western culture finds perfectly natural. Perhaps it is just time certain cultures found their way out of the stone age?

i think you had better check the laws and your morality again.

It is illegal in Thailand and in every European country.

Sick, sick, sick. There's no reasoning with perversion because, in a pervert, the part of the brain that reasons is broken.

Why don't you go to the child protection agency or the nearest police station and tell them how it's all OK.

Why don't you instead show me the law that states that it is illegal for parents to have sex in their own bedroom while their children are present?

My morality is fine. Fortunately I grew up in a culture where genitals and sex was normal and openly discussed and not taboo like I suspect it is in your culture

Also remember, some of the cultures that consider this sick, at the same time consider it completely normal to marry their own cousin or a minor

[BradinAsia]

Yes, many Thai homes only have 1 room.

Yes, many Thais in a family all sleep on one mattress (often 3 generations all together).

Yes, the adult couple often does have sex while everyone else is in the room (everyone else pretends not to notice).

They also go out to 'short-time' hotels for an hour of Privicy sometimes, money allowing.

You have three choices, sleep alone, sleep together, get the daughter to sleep alone.

Sorry, fourth choice, find a new gf with no children.

Oh, and I agree, it's not satisfactory for many men brought up in the western world.

My sympathies for your predicament.

"Yes, the adult couple often does have sex while everyone else is in the room (everyone else pretends not to notice)."

You obviously know nothing about Thai people and Thai culture. It's a bit embarrassing to admit that

you and I are from the same country. Mainly for your bigoted view of the word and your poor spelling.

A surprising comment seeing as I am Thai and have hundreds of Thai relatives.

Many of the families behaving exactly as I have stated.

Can't see any spelling mistakes in my post, can see one in yours (as you brought it up).

Privicy = privacy

[taotoo]

"for now... be content with the daughter on a mattress on the floor next to your bed.

you can "play when the daughter is sleeping."

That is absolutely sick and illegal. Having sex in the presence of a child is considered felony child sexual abuse.

I can't believe some of the depravity people are capable of.

Keep in mind that your cultural background and that of the OP is probably not the same. It may be illegal in your home country, but it is not illegal in Thailand, as long as the child is not involved, and it is not illegal in most western countries either. Some people may find it a bit weird, mainly because most people don't like if someone is watching/listening, incl their own kids, but it is legal nonetheless.

Also keep in mind, that centuries ago, it was common in ALL countries for parents to have sex in the same room as their children were sleeping for the simple reason that most houses only contained one room where everyone in the family slept. If that was not the case, most of us would not be here today. Granted, most people avoid this practise these days once the kids reach a certain age as most have several rooms and thereby options, but that does not change the fact that it is a perfectly natural thing and that it does no proven harm to the children whatsoever.

Apparently certain cultures find it sick, but certain cultures also find it sick if a woman drives a car, goes to school, talks to men outside her family, marries someone she likes instead of her cousin and so on, all of which both Thai and western culture finds perfectly natural. Perhaps it is just time certain cultures found their way out of the stone age?

Sick, sick, sick. There's no reasoning with perversion because, in a pervert, the part of the brain that reasons is broken.

'Perversion' doesn't exist - it's an artificial construction created by society. As such it's not possible that part of the brain is 'broken' (though you're welcome to provide a source for your 'broken' claim - extra points if it's a religious text.). It IS possible however that the part of your brain responsible for rational thought might be underperforming a bit.

[monkeycountry]

Wait, so you say that people in your country have sex in front of their children? And it's perfectly natural? Are you from third world?

It's not illegal in Thailand but is it appropriate? I think this one is common sense here that you should not have sex in front of your children. If it's perfectly natural why would some people who live in one-bedroom house have to wait until everyone is sleeping and do it secretly? How can you think that it's right to show sex act, your penis, your wife's vagina, your dick moves in and out the mother of the children thousand times in front of them? Even if you say you just do it secretly in the same room, you don't mean to let them see, but what if they see those stuffs? Are you sure it's appropriate? Yeah maybe it was like this before in stone age but everything has changed and if it's changed in a better and more civilized way then I think we should do the right things. You are not living in stone age anymore.

What do you know about child sexual abuse? If it's natural then letting children watch pornos or live pornos from very young ages is natural too, right?

I was replying to a post that claimed it was both sick and illegal. I agree it may be inappropriate, depending on the childs age and the situation (as examples lights can be turned off, blankets can be used, and noises can be limited). In any case it is natural and neither sick nor illegal.

"but what if they see those stuffs?"

Yes, what if they see those stuffs? So what? Are they going to die or develop some mental problems or what are you hinting at? I doubt you can find a single serious survey which proves it is damaging in any way to the psyche of a child of any age to see a penis, a vagina or an intercourse, provided that there is a natural and for the child understandable context, such as their parents naked in bed or in the shower or their parents having ordinary intercourse. The child may think it is gross, but that is a completely different and non-harmful issue.

In many western countries, including for example scandinavian countries, which are generally considered as being at the forefront when it comes to protecting the well being of children, the public swimming pools are generally indoors due to the temperature, and the dressing rooms and showers are often shared, although there is one for each gender. That means kids of all ages will be seeing plenty of penises and vaginas in the shower, dressing room and even sauna, and not only that of their parents, but of complete strangers, and often the younger children will be seeing both genders, depending on whether they are going there with their mum or dad, as they are too young to shower and dress/undress alone. In other words, a 6-7 year old girl (sometimes older) can often be seen going with her dad to the mens shower and dressing room, where there will be lots of naked men with penises - and vice versa.

I think pretty much every single grown up person in those countries have tried the above as a child. Yet out of all those millions of people, not a single case has ever been reported where seeing penises and vaginas in the public shower as a child caused any form of trauma or other mental problems at any point in their lives.

Showers and dressing rooms at public schools, sports clubs etc are often also shared, which means older kids will be seeing plenty of genitals there too - although usually only their own gender.

Most people know there is a big difference between most porn and ordinary sex, so I will leave that for another debate.

You have big problems guy. I hope some Cop or pissed off parent sees your posts. As I said, go to a Police station and explain to them how it's OK.

It's amazing that a comment defending the rights of Muslims is deleted and the poster punished but perverts advocating their illegal sickness is OK. I did some research, took a lot of time because of companies behind companies in several countries behind several individuals but I finally came to understand why.

Before I go to the police station and tell them that it is OK for me not to break any law, would it not make more sense if you simply showed me the law you are referring to? It should not take you long, as I understand from the second part of your post that you are an expert researcher

[hhgz]

"I can't believe some of the depravity people are capable of."

The OP seems to use the excuse, "Another guy slept with her 12-yo daughter in the bed, why can't I?" I'm guessing that the OP never considered how he'd feel if his ex-wife and his 12-yo daughter bedded with another adult man.

[taotoo]

MY F...... Christ in a basket (got that off a movie) the man is not the father, he is nothing more than the boyfriend du jour. You comment yet you didn't even bother to read what this is all about.

The real father of the child should come around and have a word with the pervert.

And I pity you if you think parents having sex in front of children is OK and guess what? That's illegal too but difficult to catch or they, and perhaps you, would be in jail.

Talking of laws, careful what you post, somebody might take exception.

[monkeycountry]

Why don't you instead show me the law that states that it is illegal for parents to have sex in their own bedroom while their children are present?

My morality is fine. Fortunately I grew up in a culture where genitals and sex was normal and openly discussed and not taboo like I suspect it is in your culture

Also remember, some of the cultures that consider this sick, at the same time consider it completely normal to marry their own cousin or a minor

MY F...... Christ in a basket (got that off a movie) the man is not the father, he is nothing more than the boyfriend du jour. You comment yet you didn't even bother to read what this is all about.

The real father of the child should come around and have a word with the pervert.

And I pity you if you think parents having sex in front of children is OK and guess what? That's illegal too but difficult to catch or they, and perhaps you, would be in jail.

I am still waiting for you to post the law forbidding anyone having sex in their own bedroom when their children are present, even if one of them is not the biological parent.

[monkeycountry]

My next door neighbor and my close friend is a Police General. I just asked him. He said to refere to "Child Protection Act, 2546".

He also wants to have a word with several of you perverts.

Well, there you go, your research paid off. Now all you got to do is post it here.

Edit: I thought I would help you out, so I have now skimmed through the "Child Protection Act, 2546". The closest I can come is this:

26-1 (It is forbidden to): Commit or omit acts which result in torturing a child's body or mind;

Now all you got to do is convince a court that 2 adults having sex in their own bedroom, while the child of one of them is present, constitutes "torture of body or mind" of the child. (Perhaps also keep in mind that the child can leave the "room of torture" at any time the child so wishes.)

Good luck with that

Edited May 12, 2014 by monkeycountry

[thailiketoo]

I'm not a lawyer and I'm not a pervert but I'd say there must be 20 million Thai kids that sleep in the same room as mom and dad till they get old enough to buy a house or get married. I don't think it's a good idea but that does not change the fact that many families in Thailand live that way and it's not against the law.

Edited May 12, 2014 by thailiketoo

[healthbkkbkk]

I'm not a lawyer and I'm not a pervert but I'd say there must be 20 million Thai kids that sleep in the same room as mom and dad till they get old enough to buy a house or get married. I don't think it's a good idea but that does not change the fact that many families in Thailand live that way and it's not against the law.

You're not a lawyer and you can't bother to read either.

The OP is a passing boyfriend, not a family member.

I feel sorry for you.

[monkeycountry]

If you really did read it then you found it.

You must be the last reject from the lowest end of the psychiatric ward.

Sex in front of a child is OK according to you. Yes, let every "Man" decide for himself.

I say, let the Police decide for you.

If this forum was serious your ID and IP address would already be on their way to the authorities as per the law.

Participating in the abuse of children or advocating the abuse of children is illegal.

Using a computer to advocate the abuse of children is illegal.

Publicly advocating the abuse of children, using any form of media, is illegal.

if I were you I wouldn't sleep well tonight just in case some mod finally has a conscience and reports you.

Blablabla, but still no mention of the law you claim exists, even though your police general friend told you exactly where to look. I will (again) help you out. Here is the Child Protection act, 2546):

http://thailaws.com/law/t_laws/tlaw0047.pdf

Please come back with the actual paragraph in the law this time, and not just more ranting, thanks.

[thailiketoo]

I'm not a lawyer and I'm not a pervert but I'd say there must be 20 million Thai kids that sleep in the same room as mom and dad till they get old enough to buy a house or get married. I don't think it's a good idea but that does not change the fact that many families in Thailand live that way and it's not against the law.

You're not a lawyer and you can't bother to read either.

The OP is a passing boyfriend, not a family member.

I feel sorry for you.

You feel sorry for me? Why? Post the section of the Thai law that States where children must sleep in the family home. Easy. You don't have a general living next door and you have never read the protection act would be my guess. But prove me wrong. Simply cut and past the applicable chapter and verse that applies to this thread.

[healthbkkbkk]

I'm not a lawyer and I'm not a pervert but I'd say there must be 20 million Thai kids that sleep in the same room as mom and dad till they get old enough to buy a house or get married. I don't think it's a good idea but that does not change the fact that many families in Thailand live that way and it's not against the law.

You're not a lawyer and you can't bother to read either.

The OP is a passing boyfriend, not a family member.

I feel sorry for you.

You feel sorry for me? Why? Post the section of the Thai law that States where children must sleep in the family home. Easy. You don't have a general living next door and you have never read the protection act would be my guess. But prove me wrong. Simply cut and past the applicable chapter and verse that applies to this thread.

I already have, you poor soul. You don't know much about law, do you. Every single possiblity is not required to be cited in a law as common conduct and norms dictate what is harmful.

[thailiketoo]

I'm not a lawyer and I'm not a pervert but I'd say there must be 20 million Thai kids that sleep in the same room as mom and dad till they get old enough to buy a house or get married. I don't think it's a good idea but that does not change the fact that many families in Thailand live that way and it's not against the law.

You're not a lawyer and you can't bother to read either.

The OP is a passing boyfriend, not a family member.

I feel sorry for you.

You feel sorry for me? Why? Post the section of the Thai law that States where children must sleep in the family home. Easy. You don't have a general living next door and you have never read the protection act would be my guess. But prove me wrong. Simply cut and past the applicable chapter and verse that applies to this thread.

I already have, you poor soul. You don't know much about law, do you. Every single possiblity is not required to be cited in a law as common conduct and norms dictate what is harmful.

You didn't post anything relevant to this thread because you can't. If you can? Do. In my experience about 20% of the Thai population live in one room. So you are in error in fact and in your imagination. Stop the poor soul and you feel sorry stuff that it's just name calling.

[Scully]

Obviously you can't read, pervert. let a real man catch you having sex in front of a child and see what happens.

Go to the Police station, show them the child protection act and explain how it's still Ok to have sex in front of a child. pervert.

Go out into Issan with all the one room living open plan houses. You are talking absolute rubbish, we are not talking xxx rated movies but quiet under sheets usually as children sleep. It happens all over the world nightly and impossible to police your dubious law.

The op however really is in a situation although totally innocent could be looked at as odd. I would question her friends through the Wife as to where her friends sleep, make her feel immature and she will soon want her own room.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

In my experience about 20% of the Thai population live in one room. So you are in error in fact and in your imagination.

Hmmmmmm, in my experience more like 75% of Thai families live in 1 room.

That's most of the poor city dwellers in condos, plus nearly all the village people.

Not to mention some of the families in modern houses all sleep in 1 room, because that's what they are used to.

If anyone is interested, I slept in the same room as my parents until I was about 12 (but I did have my own bed).

We did have more than 1 bedroom (most of the time), the other bedroom was vacant, but it was how mom wanted it.

I'm wondering if some of the other posters have ever been to Thailand or have ever mixed with any Thai people?

[STARGASA]

Arthur, you have nailed this one, congratulations

[healthbkkbkk]

In my experience about 20% of the Thai population live in one room. So you are in error in fact and in your imagination.

Hmmmmmm, in my experience more like 75% of Thai families live in 1 room.

That's most of the poor city dwellers in condos, plus nearly all the village people.

Not to mention some of the families in modern houses all sleep in 1 room, because that's what they are used to.

If anyone is interested, I slept in the same room as my parents until I was about 12 (but I did have my own bed).

We did have more than 1 bedroom (most of the time), the other bedroom was vacant, but it was how mom wanted it.

I'm wondering if some of the other posters have ever been to Thailand or have ever mixed with any Thai people?

I'm wondering if your mom ever had a boyfriend over to have sex in front of you?

If not then what is the point of your comment?

[Tywais]

Several posts, part of a flame war, have been removed. Referring to other members as perverts is highly inflammatory and will stop now or face suspension. Try and be more civil in this discussion or find it being closed.

[taotoo]

I bet you picture it every time you say it.

[mrtoad]

We'll this thread has sunk pretty low.

Let's face it, anyone with a bit of sense would not sleep in the same bed as his GF and her 12 year old daughter from another relationship. Personally think it is a recipe for disaster and leaves him wide open to a number of accusations.

The pertinent question, IMO; would you do it in your own country?

[rct99q]

"for now... be content with the daughter on a mattress on the floor next to your bed.

you can "play when the daughter is sleeping."

That is absolutely sick and illegal. Having sex in the presence of a child is considered felony child sexual abuse.

I can't believe some of the depravity people are capable of.

Keep in mind that your cultural background and that of the OP is probably not the same. It may be illegal in your home country, but it is not illegal in Thailand, as long as the child is not involved, and it is not illegal in most western countries either. Some people may find it a bit weird, mainly because most people don't like if someone is watching/listening, incl their own kids, but it is legal nonetheless.

Also keep in mind, that centuries ago, it was common in ALL countries for parents to have sex in the same room as their children were sleeping for the simple reason that most houses only contained one room where everyone in the family slept. If that was not the case, most of us would not be here today. Granted, most people avoid this practise these days once the kids reach a certain age as most have several rooms and thereby options, but that does not change the fact that it is a perfectly natural thing and that it does no proven harm to the children whatsoever.

Apparently certain cultures find it sick, but certain cultures also find it sick if a woman drives a car, goes to school, talks to men outside her family, marries someone she likes instead of her cousin and so on, all of which both Thai and western culture finds perfectly natural. Perhaps it is just time certain cultures found their way out of the stone age?

Wait, so you say that people in your country have sex in front of their children? And it's perfectly natural? Are you from third world?

It's not illegal in Thailand but is it appropriate? I think this one is common sense here that you should not have sex in front of your children. If it's perfectly natural why would some people who live in one-bedroom house have to wait until everyone is sleeping and do it secretly? How can you think that it's right to show sex act, your penis, your wife's vagina, your dick moves in and out the mother of the children thousand times in front of them? Even if you say you just do it secretly in the same room, you don't mean to let them see, but what if they see those stuffs? Are you sure it's appropriate? Yeah maybe it was like this before in stone age but everything has changed and if it's changed in a better and more civilized way then I think we should do the right things. You are not living in stone age anymore.

What do you know about child sexual abuse? If it's natural then letting children watch pornos or live pornos from very young ages is natural too, right?

Not only that but God shall strike this sinner down where he...uhm....lies.....and how would that affect the child.....eewww!

[louse1953]

Thanks guys, a few good suggestions there and some good explanations of why this occurs.

Yes it is a fact that she is afraid to sleep by herself, although she is out of our bed and in her own now , it is still in the same room which I want to change.

I think a combination of bribery and putting my foot down should work.

Interesting take. You don't know you might be in jail for 20 do you? I'd go to another country and change my name. If she can find you, you might have to explain to the authorities in Thailand or Australia why you allowed a 12 year old to sleep in your bedroom. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Thai women are not different. Your Thai woman is not different.

Whats your excuse when your in court,ghosts,its their culture.I dont rekon you will have a leg to stand on.When is she gunna be old enough to sleep by herself.Wait til she's 16 and things start sticking out.

[Acharn]

Personally, seeing as your not the father, I don't think its appropriate for you to sleep in the same bed, irrespective of any Thai "norms"

although not Thai related, when I worked in the US, I had an American GF, who had a niece who used to come and stay with us weekends, and a similar story the niece didn't want to sleep on her own and wanted to sleep in the bed with her Aunt, right from the offset, I felt uncomfortable with this arrangement even though the GF and Niece who was 12, said it was ok and the GF would sleep in the middle, in the end I used to sleep in the spare bed room, and the GF would sneak away to the spare room once the niece was asleep in the main bedroom to play hide the Sausage and then go back and sleep next to the niece..

I never had this arise with my first Thai wife, who did have a daughter, but I have a slight quibble. According to Thai custom and culture, he IS the girl's father. She is required to treat him as her natural father. Of course there are problems with this. too, but that's the way it's supposed to work. Anyway, I'm sorryI have no solution to recommend. It seems lie a serious problem.

[Rumblecat]

Several posts, part of a flame war, have been removed. Referring to other members as perverts is highly inflammatory and will stop now or face suspension. Try and be more civil in this discussion or find it being closed.

So, as the representative of Thai Visa would you like to chime in on the legallity of a farrang boyfriend having sex in front of a 12 year old child?

I'm pretty sure the original poster never said he was doing that. In fact he stated-

"...after two nights I agreed to sleep in one bed with GF in the middle. This was ok because neither of us work so we can "play" when daughter is at school."

- which sounds like the opposite of what you're implying. Unless I've missed a post where he admitted to having sex in front of the daughter- which I'm fairly sure I haven't.

[MacWalen]

maybe WALEN could make an extra buck and compile all these amazing "thai customs" into one crashcourse book/manual called

"dating someone who has little to nothing in common with you... while your brain is in hiatus modus"

Walen School does not have a plan to run such specific courses but you can ask teachers after your lessons if you are not sure about some Thai customs. I'm sure they will be happy to answer your questions.

Edited May 12, 2014 by MacWalen

[Patsycat]

I still think it's wrong.

If the op is anything like me he would move around the bed like on a F1 racecourse and end up cuddling the wrong person....

[David48]

I still think it's wrong.

If the op is anything like me he would move around the bed like on a F1 racecourse and end up cuddling the wrong person....

Patsy ... that is a honest comment ... 'move around the bed like on a F1 racecourse' and it was read, by me, with the humour it was written by.