Thai Lawyers Council backs the idea of appointed premier

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When Suthep collected 25 Million Baht to "help the farmerrs" he gave it to the Lawyers council of Thailand. Now we can see what they are doing to earn the money.

Since you mention the farmers, perhaps you could share your thoughts about they have become silent?

[WoopyDoo]

what other choice do we now have

No matter what we do we are in trouble

don't do and the protestors get upset

Do and the red shirts get upset

The Senate are proving Thailand is now in no man land, and we are all going down hill

We need to find a way we can both win and loose

and that is an acting Caretaker who has no affilition with either side and has a good knowledge of the law

and put us on a course to reform and new elections

This is, and has always been about removing Thaksin's influence and power in Thailand.

He is an embarrassment to the country on so many levels and his regime has decimated democracy in the nation to the point it is a 100% dictatorship that has seen 10 years of dangerous instability and completely polarized the people to the point of a civil war.

He also happens to be a convicted criminal and mass murderer.

His only support is a core of paid cronies and a very small following of ill informed and vastly uneducated red shirts that have no numbers to dictate a controlling interest over the country.

If the senate are not allowed to even consider a move to get at least a neutral PM and cabinet in place on a temporary basis, then the country really has no use for a senate.

The constitution points at the ONLY way to move forward is for the senate to elect among themselves, a PM and cabinet to get us through a crisis and into an election.

Thailand is in a POLITICAL VACUUM..... the constitution has a provision for political vacuums, and that provision MUST be followed.

No matter what happens, you are going to upset some people..... that is what happens in a polarized society.... But those people just have to take it on the chin for the sake of the constitution and democracy.

It also does not help when one camp is operating completely outside of democracy and the constitution as it does not favour them....

The constitutional court MUST sit to debate the situation, and make a ruling as to whether the next move is from the senate.

It also needs to reiterate its ruling of last week, as certain elements seem to be continuing to wield power over the people, and these are people who have been convicted for abuse of power.

This country is a complete joke.

[LevelHead]

what other choice do we now have

No matter what we do we are in trouble

don't do and the protestors get upset

Do and the red shirts get upset

The Senate are proving Thailand is now in no man land, and we are all going down hill

We need to find a way we can both win and loose

and that is an acting Caretaker who has no affilition with either side and has a good knowledge of the law

and put us on a course to reform and new elections

Choice ? There is only 1 choice that is legal and in line with the constitution. That is an election.

The protestors are just that, protestors. Many of them have broken the law. What has to happen now is the law is brought to bear on all protestors and protest leaders - as it has on Yingluck and the Cabinet Ministers/

And an election HAS to happen now, before any reformation.

PTP and the UDD know it IS IMPOSSIBLE to appoint any unelected PM.

Firstly it is against the law/constitution to do so whilst there is still a caretaker PM in power.

Secondly there is no chance that any neutral appointed PM will last - PTP and the UDD are fully aware that its very likely a "neutral PM" would be appointed BUT THEN after a few weeks he would be visited by Popcorn men in the middle of the night and told to get into the waiting ambulance as he is very ill and needs a long stay in hospital, under armed guard of course but he will get a nice compensation package for his stay there. Now, with PTP no longer caretaker government and the agreed appointed neutral PM now in hospital with a pretend illness - its all free and open for those who want to gain power to to now replace the neutral appointed PM who is now "ill" with their non-neutral pro-PDRC appointed man. As PTP would be out of power already, they would have zero say on who the replacement was for the now ill neutral PM.

The second reason is why you now see a massive push for the so called neutral PM - its not because that is what they want long term, its because that is their "key" to the door of opening the way for a pro-PDRC man to take over, once the appointed neutral man is "neutralized" after being put in power.

Abhisit/Suthep and the PDRC are pushing only 1 agenda but with two methods :

Method 1 is the caretaker government resigns and so they can appoint their pro-PDRC man as the new PM.

Method 2 is the caretaker government agrees to a neutral PM and gives up power - then they will replace the neutral PM once PTP are out of power with their pro-PDRC man as PM.

Different ways - but the same agenda.

The PDRC/Suthep/Abhisit know that they cannot just appoint a neutral PM as it breaks the law - which is why Abhisit now keeps asking and asking for the caretaker government to resign - and he and his cohorts will boycott elections forever more with the support of the PDRC/EC to stop them happening in the South and the Constitution Court to keep annulling them as problems in the South.

Its now at stalemate stage................. there can be no elections due to PDRC/Abhisit and there can be no new government without an election.

The problem simply is the PDRC - they are breaking the law by blocking elections - which is causing the problem - what it needs is the police to arrest all PDRC and lock them all up - then have an election - then reform.

[Eric Loh]

what other choice do we now have

No matter what we do we are in trouble

don't do and the protestors get upset

Do and the red shirts get upset

The Senate are proving Thailand is now in no man land, and we are all going down hill

We need to find a way we can both win and loose

and that is an acting Caretaker who has no affilition with either side and has a good knowledge of the law

and put us on a course to reform and new elections

This is, and has always been about removing Thaksin's influence and power in Thailand.

He is an embarrassment to the country on so many levels and his regime has decimated democracy in the nation to the point it is a 100% dictatorship that has seen 10 years of dangerous instability and completely polarized the people to the point of a civil war.

He also happens to be a convicted criminal and mass murderer.

His only support is a core of paid cronies and a very small following of ill informed and vastly uneducated red shirts that have no numbers to dictate a controlling interest over the country.

If the senate are not allowed to even consider a move to get at least a neutral PM and cabinet in place on a temporary basis, then the country really has no use for a senate.

The constitution points at the ONLY way to move forward is for the senate to elect among themselves, a PM and cabinet to get us through a crisis and into an election.

Thailand is in a POLITICAL VACUUM..... the constitution has a provision for political vacuums, and that provision MUST be followed.

No matter what happens, you are going to upset some people..... that is what happens in a polarized society.... But those people just have to take it on the chin for the sake of the constitution and democracy.

It also does not help when one camp is operating completely outside of democracy and the constitution as it does not favour them....

The constitutional court MUST sit to debate the situation, and make a ruling as to whether the next move is from the senate.

It also needs to reiterate its ruling of last week, as certain elements seem to be continuing to wield power over the people, and these are people who have been convicted for abuse of power.

This country is a complete joke.

Chill mate before you get a stroke from frightening yourself. Part of the 10 years you mentioned include a coup and 3 years of Ahbisit. Are they part of your diagnosis you mentioned as bringing instability and polarization? That's where the problem of only looking at one part of the problem. Concentrating on Taksin alone will not solve the country woes. Your arrogance and denial like all your kinds of belittling other people who don't subscribed to your thinking is part of the problem. Recognize and empathize with these large majority will be part of the solution. De-franchise them further is forcing and pushing people to the brink and you can expect a retaliation.

You also is talking lot of rubbish like having the Constitutional Court debating and making a ruling. That is not what the court is set up to be. And the appointed senators have to mindful of the law and not arbitarily made decision & start a chain reaction of civil unrest.

So far the abuse of power, intimidation and harassment and total disregard of the law is coming from the PDRC while the caretaker government is just keeping still. Even CAPO is kept still by the court rulings to protect the PDRC. That is a complete joke.

[rickirs]

"The Lawyers Council of Thailand yesterday also supported the idea of appointing a new prime minister. It said in a statement that the Constitution's Article 132 empowers the Senate to make such an appointment."

Section 132(2). During the expiration of the term or the dissolution of the House of Representatives, the Senate shall not hold its sitting except in the following cases: a sitting at which the Senate shall consider of a person for holding office under the provision of this Constitution.

The dissolution of the House occurred in September 2013, and an Interim Parliament with attendent Government positions was created in compliance with the Constitution. So it would seem that Sec. 132(2) no longer applies, otherwise Yingluck would not have continued as the Interim PM after dissolution of the House. No one has challenged the constitutionality of Yingluck's replacement.

[Acharn]

reform.its what any normal person wants...its not hard is it...but to some it really is..

Hey, I think I'm a normal person and what I want is a bowl of chocolate ice cream. Do you agree with that?

Why are you guys so unwilling to spell out what are these "reforms" of which you speak? If you are so sure that, say, 45% of the people would enthusiastically back your reforms, why aren't you out there trying to persuade another 6%? You give the impression that you know very well that 75% of the people in Thailand would hate your "reforms." You also give the impression that you know very well no amount of vote buying will win an election for you -- surely there is more money on your side than Thaksin has, especially since so much of his is tied up here in Thailand. I didn't see anything concrete in Abhisit's proposals. Did I miss it? Do you have a link to someplace where these "reforms" are clearly and fully described? I think most of the "buffaloes" are tired of hearing, "We are good people and we have your best interests at heart. Trust us."

[Scamper]

" The Lawyers Council of Thailand yesterday also supported the idea of appointing a new prime minister. It said in a statement that the Constitution's Article 132 empowers the Senate to make such an appointment. "

With all the talk from Pheu Thai of such initiatives being illegal, it is fascinating that the Lawyers Council of Thailand thinks otherwise. It conflicts with Pheu Thai's narrative and the UDD's narrative - but apparently so does everything else. The part about this that is so hard to understand is that this proposal would pool the suggestions of all parties - including Pheu Thai. No one would be left out. It would endeavour to find someone acceptable to all sides to oversee reforms and a new election. You'd think Pheu Thai would at least grace that with a discussion. Pheu Thai seems to prefer the chaos that they're now in, but at some point they'll surely realize it's not taking them forward. This plan could take the whole country forward. Niwattumrong is a puzzle. Suddenly he has scheduling difficulties and is unavailable for talk. He's clearly been a quick study for Yingluck in this regard. A quick study indeed. Though he says he's happy to talk " when the time is right ". This is what Pheu Thai calls the new PM. He's too busy to attend to the most pressing political crisis in years, even if it would be to his party's advantage. If Pheu Thai wants to be doggedly persistent in either refusing to talk or being " suddenly unavailable ", then they should have no issues with people who actually do wish to talk, who actually do want to find a way forward, and whom are motivated to such an extent that they actually don't have any " scheduling difficulties " at all.

[rametindallas]

In a Red Shirt revision of Shakespeare's Henry the Sixth we see Jutaporn cast as Dick the Butcher. He is costumed in in bright red tights and is listening with feverish intensity to moronic babbling of Thaksin Shinawattra who is cast as Jack Cade (the great pretender) on a big screen display via Skype, whilst his deluded minions, claques and shills cheer him on.

JACK CADE. I thank you, good people:- there shall be no money; all shall eat and drink on my score; and I will apparel them all in one livery, that they may agree like brothers, and worship me their lord.

DICK THE BUTCHER. The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

Sorry, I couldn't get past the image of Jatuporn in bright red tights. Nightmare material.

[rametindallas]

To some it is anathema that a PM should be appointed and not elected. When was the current PM elected, and who appointed him to his position? Oh dear!

Thaksin has been appointing PMs for some time now. Samak, Somchai, Yingluck, the current position holder.