Thai rice farmers rejoice after junta head orders immediate cash payment

[SICHONSTEVE]

How strange that in less than a week the Army can pay the farmers but the PTP exgovernment couldn't manage to do the same thing in more than 9 MONTHS.

The PDRC and Dems were blocking the cash supply. That is why.

No they were not!!!

How can they block something that is not there - you are an ignorant bunch.

[mancub]

All political bias and current euphoria aside, how exactly does the future bode for the average farmer ? The next crop will be worth 40% less to him than the one he's currently, and belatedly being paid for and his debts will most likely have risen. Unless the junta plan to continue the pledging scheme, which supposedly the country can't afford, then isn't this a major problem that will not go away quietly?

So far I've not heard of any long term proposals. People can be very fickle and sentiment and allegiance can easily change .

[Artisi]

I wonder how many farming families will still be in debt to loan sharks even after this payment.

many loansharks are a proxy setup by Thaksin's regime. 2%/day repayments ... and different settings from the loansharks we know from before. They eventually will be rounded up too now.

the loansharks have been around for more than 100 years. It's simply pathetic to try to blame Thaksin for that, as well as being profoundly dishonest

Well, you are pretty quick off the mark to blame Suthep for everything that does against the red doctrine so it seems fair to blame Thaksin for his criminal activities and manipulations.

[oldsailor35]

Lets see the Dems try to block this one. The rats will have no hope, Every time Yingluck had the loan promised the Dems and Suthep made sure that anybody giving a loan to the govt would suffer drastically. Now the DEMs are a toothess tiger and the loans will go through.

[oldsailor35]

How strange that in less than a week the Army can pay the farmers but the PTP exgovernment couldn't manage to do the same thing in more than 9 MONTHS.

they were prevented from doing so by political opposition.

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No they were not!!!

Oh yes they were, because any company about to give the govt loans to pay the farmers were bullied into withdrawing by the Dems and PDRC. Its known as "Political expediency"

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[rebelplatoon]

How strange that in less than a week the Army can pay the farmers but the PTP exgovernment couldn't manage to do the same thing in more than 9 MONTHS.

My understanding is that when they had caretaker status, they were not able to borrow money as the government of Thailand. The army, however, can simply order banks to provide the loans necessary for the payments.

We have gone over this umpteen times ... the debts to the farmers predate the dissolution of parliament, so why did they not deal with the problem before they dissolved parliament...?! I think the answer is clearly that they had skimmed off so much from the nation that there were no funds left for them to pay the farmers...!! Anyone who says it was nothing of the sort, just the effects of the rice subsidy policy itself, is then clearly admitting that it was a failure all along...!!

@ GeorgeO,

Sorry to see your sensible and easy to comprehend explanation wasted on red flag waving drongos who either don't have the guts to admit they have been wrong all along or don't have the nous to understand it. Perhaps you should send them all a calendar with the appropriate dates and events highlighted on it.

With the Shin's lineage on every page. I'd say start August last year.

[rebelplatoon]

Lets see the Dems try to block this one. The rats will have no hope, Every time Yingluck had the loan promised the Dems and Suthep made sure that anybody giving a loan to the govt would suffer drastically. Now the DEMs are a toothess tiger and the loans will go through.

Any proof to go with this bold statement? Like real proof?

[allan michaud]

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PTP led government did not delay paying the rice farmers. It was EC who tried to bargain with the government - delay election or no payment, and the dem and its pdrc blocking the payments. Threatened banks not to cooperate with the government to pay rice farmers. According to this report, they have been enough funds to pay them and other avenues that funds were available.

No, PTP could have paid if they had not dissolved parliament. They caused the initial problem, the EC and Dems just took advantage of the situation afterwards. Both sides have abused the farmers, but PTP could have avoided this situation. The were too concerned about amnesty for them and their friends to give a damn about the farmers.

[lvr181]

All political bias and current euphoria aside, how exactly does the future bode for the average farmer ? The next crop will be worth 40% less to him than the one he's currently, and belatedly being paid for and his debts will most likely have risen. Unless the junta plan to continue the pledging scheme, which supposedly the country can't afford, then isn't this a major problem that will not go away quietly?

So far I've not heard of any long term proposals. People can be very fickle and sentiment and allegiance can easily change .

Maybe, just maybe, some one will look at an "equalisation" scheme to replace the rice pledging scheme? The farmer would be guaranteed a certain payment by Government (a living amount perhaps) and if the rice sells below that then the Government keeps the farmer on the land and hopes for a better price, in the future to claw back the amount the Government is out of pocket. Or, if the Government receives an amount higher than what it paid then it is put aside to subsidise the farmer for the next bad rice crop value in the future. Simple I know but surely it could be made to work? Does need to ensure regular payments to farmers in good years. Only meant to "prop up" farming in bad years.

Or, alternatively, no scheme at all.

Never look at ways why some benefit cannot work, find a a way to make it work.

[Prbkk]

Lets see the Dems try to block this one. The rats will have no hope, Every time Yingluck had the loan promised the Dems and Suthep made sure that anybody giving a loan to the govt would suffer drastically. Now the DEMs are a toothess tiger and the loans will go through.

Any proof to go with this bold statement? Like real proof?

It's certainly true that the Democrats don't have a great record when it comes to the farmers' money. The brother of the last democrat to be elected PM stole 10 million USD from Thai Farmers Bank and fled to Taiwan, only returning 20 years later when the statute of limitations had expired.

[Local Drunk]

Lets see the Dems try to block this one. The rats will have no hope, Every time Yingluck had the loan promised the Dems and Suthep made sure that anybody giving a loan to the govt would suffer drastically. Now the DEMs are a toothess tiger and the loans will go through.

Any proof to go with this bold statement? Like real proof?

It's certainly true that the Democrats don't have a great record when it comes to the farmers' money. The brother of the last democrat to be elected PM stole 10 million USD from Thai Farmers Bank and fled to Taiwan, only returning 20 years later when the statute of limitations had expired.

oldsailor... there is no existing government to oppose the payment. There is now Martial Law and there is no sitting government on either side. Perhaps you're getting a bit too old and your good friend Prbkk should have been honest with you and spared you the embarrassment of your post rather than trying to cover for you.

[ThaiAtoZ]

How strange that in less than a week the Army can pay the farmers but the PTP exgovernment couldn't manage to do the same thing in more than 9 MONTHS.

The army doesn't have the same 'overheads' the PTP government had.

First, I'm glad to see the farmers getting paid!!! I hope they have learned that taking part in a program that contains the word SCHEME - you most likely are going to lose money, unless you are at the top. However, as far as the quickness of the payments - well when you have 100% control, write the laws, detain reporters and business leaders - and of course approve the laws you wrote - well let's say no one can stop you from doing whatever you want!!! Plus - even if he spends all the governments money on paying off farmers, at some point he get's to walk away and dump it on the newly elected government - then as the last 80 years have already shown us - history will repeat itself.....

[biplanebluey]

How strange that in less than a week the Army can pay the farmers but the PTP exgovernment couldn't manage to do the same thing in more than 9 MONTHS.

My understanding is that when they had caretaker status, they were not able to borrow money as the government of Thailand. The army, however, can simply order banks to provide the loans necessary for the payments.

and MY UNDERSTANDING is they they couldn't do it months ago long before they became a caretaker got--------- so why that BS remark????

[marcusd]

I love the General. At last. No lies but action

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[marcusd]

How strange that in less than a week the Army can pay the farmers but the PTP exgovernment couldn't manage to do the same thing in more than 9 MONTHS.

The army doesn't have the same 'overheads' the PTP government had.

First, I'm glad to see the farmers getting paid!!! I hope they have learned that taking part in a program that contains the word SCHEME - you most likely are going to lose money, unless you are at the top. However, as far as the quickness of the payments - well when you have 100% control, write the laws, detain reporters and business leaders - and of course approve the laws you wrote - well let's say no one can stop you from doing whatever you want!!! Plus - even if he spends all the governments money on paying off farmers, at some point he get's to walk away and dump it on the newly elected government - then as the last 80 years have already shown us - history will repeat itself.....

please grow up. Read the article you are replying to.

It states... Banks ate advancing credit... Yingluck could not get this.

Grow up

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[marcusd]

Prbkk I think the General may come for you soon. Posting what you did. Omg! You must like stirring up trouble or debate or posting total garbage

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[HOOD Robin]

Too bad they have only till 10 pm tonight to spent it in bars.

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Yessir, that's right, thousands of poor rice farmers who have been struggling financially for many months will all of a sudden rush to the nearest karaoke bar and piss it away.

Reality, there will be many household/village parties in appreciation of this money finally getting to the needy rice producers..

Well done Prayuth!!

i'm alsso happy for them since thee reds dont give a &lt;deleted&gt; if they suffer or not !

i only hope those farmers will not fall in the trap again when the village chief comes knocking on their door with 500 baht and ORDER them to vote Red again....

[MILT]

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PTP led government did not delay paying the rice farmers. It was EC who tried to bargain with the government - delay election or no payment, and the dem and its pdrc blocking the payments. Threatened banks not to cooperate with the government to pay rice farmers. According to this report, they have been enough funds to pay them and other avenues that funds were available.

Wrong Again!

[wealth]

The army did a lot of homework during the months.

Bangkokpost reports that 2 red militants, for carrying out the drive by shooting where two 5 year old children died, were arrested. The sad aspect to it: One ranger killed by a third suspect and escaped.

All done by army intelligence.

Another cheering for the army now.

[theteddy]

PTP led government did not delay paying the rice farmers. It was EC who tried to bargain with the government - delay election or no payment, and the dem and its pdrc blocking the payments. Threatened banks not to cooperate with the government to pay rice farmers. According to this report, they have been enough funds to pay them and other avenues that funds were available.

You might want to check your calendar .. August arrived a few months before January, same every year .. PDRC did not exist until long after the rice payments first became due. Yingluck and PTP didn not 'FAIL' to pay the farmers, they decided 'NOT TO PAY' the farmers and were confident that their 'redistribution' of funds would be covered by the Amnesty Bill.

Thumbs up to Prayuth, a man with balls and brains, a man who could quickly become the most popular PM in the democratic history of Thailand

... also, never a single word at the red stages to support the farmers not paid. It never was their real agenda. Instead these farmers were intimitated by the leaders of the reds.

In between now, the election for the European parlament got a setback for the corporate globalists too. Conservatives and right wings gained like never before. Their goal is to reduce the corporate globalists to rubbles and to reduce the Euro Parlament's power. Amsterdam will have fewer roads to travel, hahahaha ...

It's not against globalization per se but the enforcing corporate globalist elites with sinister further plans for the globe. Natural globalization is alright ...

Coming back to the rice scheme/scam it is save to say that this was staged by the corporate globalists so to slowely create social unrest after the political unrest and then followed by civil war so that they can get more power and control by sneaking in the back doors.

The awakening is global and not just here in Thaiand.

People are awake but the trouble is that we have a huge capacity for denial. If you think about the Arab Spring and the poor vegetable seller that was so humiliated by the corrupt authorities that he burnt himself to death, one can see how desperate you need to be before something clicks within you and you realise what an unjust system you live in. Shame can hold one back because we don't think were doing as well as we think we should, and shame also keeps our heads well below the parapets. I think it was reported here on Thaivisa that at least one rice farmer committed suicide.

To me Thailand should be a wakeup call. If you have an apathetic, passive, society that lets politicians, bankers, elites get away with things you'll end up with politicians, bankers and elites who will be more than willing to oblige. In New Zealand, and practically all the west, real incomes have been going down since the late fifties. In the UK, the 10 wealthiest families have as much as the entire bottom 20% of the country.

Inequality is growing world wide and will continue to do so until the general populace do something about it.

[theteddy]

PTP led government did not delay paying the rice farmers. It was EC who tried to bargain with the government - delay election or no payment, and the dem and its pdrc blocking the payments. Threatened banks not to cooperate with the government to pay rice farmers. According to this report, they have been enough funds to pay them and other avenues that funds were available.

You might want to check your calendar .. August arrived a few months before January, same every year .. PDRC did not exist until long after the rice payments first became due. Yingluck and PTP didn not 'FAIL' to pay the farmers, they decided 'NOT TO PAY' the farmers and were confident that their 'redistribution' of funds would be covered by the Amnesty Bill.

Thumbs up to Prayuth, a man with balls and brains, a man who could quickly become the most popular PM in the democratic history of Thailand

... also, never a single word at the red stages to support the farmers not paid. It never was their real agenda. Instead these farmers were intimitated by the leaders of the reds.

In between now, the election for the European parlament got a setback for the corporate globalists too. Conservatives and right wings gained like never before. Their goal is to reduce the corporate globalists to rubbles and to reduce the Euro Parlament's power. Amsterdam will have fewer roads to travel, hahahaha ...

It's not against globalization per se but the enforcing corporate globalist elites with sinister further plans for the globe. Natural globalization is alright ...

Coming back to the rice scheme/scam it is save to say that this was staged by the corporate globalists so to slowely create social unrest after the political unrest and then followed by civil war so that they can get more power and control by sneaking in the back doors.

The awakening is global and not just here in Thaiand.

People are awake but the trouble is that we have a huge capacity for denial. If you think about the Arab Spring and the poor vegetable seller that was so humiliated by the corrupt authorities that he burnt himself to death, one can see how desperate you need to be before something clicks within you and you realise what an unjust system you live in. Shame can hold one back because we don't think were doing as well as we think we should, and shame also keeps our heads well below the parapets. I think it was reported here on Thaivisa that at least one rice farmer committed suicide.

To me Thailand should be a wakeup call. If you have an apathetic, passive, society that lets politicians, bankers, elites get away with things you'll end up with politicians, bankers and elites who will be more than willing to oblige. In New Zealand, and practically all the west, real incomes have been going down since the late fifties. In the UK, the 10 wealthiest families have as much as the entire bottom 20% of the country.

Inequality is growing world wide and will continue to do so until the general populace do something about it.

[Discombobulated]

I wonder how many farming families will still be in debt to loan sharks even after this payment.

many loansharks are a proxy setup by Thaksin's regime. 2%/day repayments ... and different settings from the loansharks we know from before. They eventually will be rounded up too now.

the loansharks have been around for more than 100 years. It's simply pathetic to try to blame Thaksin for that, as well as being profoundly dishonest

Hyperbolic whinging?

"Pathetic"? "Profoundly dishonest"? Let me ask a simple question or two: what rates have they been charging (over 100 years)? What do the middlemen and millers have to 'contribute to with the rice-farming system?

Edited May 26, 2014 by Discombobulated

[rice555]

All political bias and current euphoria aside, how exactly does the future bode for the average farmer ? The next crop will be worth 40% less to him than the one he's currently, and belatedly being paid for and his debts will most likely have risen. Unless the junta plan to continue the pledging scheme, which supposedly the country can't afford, then isn't this a major problem that will not go away quietly?

So far I've not heard of any long term proposals. People can be very fickle and sentiment and allegiance can easily change .

It's 40% over world price, The Government should not of been a

business, just another toxic scam.

rice555

[rice555]

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PTP led government did not delay paying the rice farmers. It was EC who tried to bargain with the government - delay election or no payment, and the dem and its pdrc blocking the payments. Threatened banks not to cooperate with the government to pay rice farmers. According to this report, they have been enough funds to pay them and other avenues that funds were available.

No, PTP could have paid if they had not dissolved parliament. They caused the initial problem, the EC and Dems just took advantage of the situation afterwards. Both sides have abused the farmers, but PTP could have avoided this situation. The were too concerned about amnesty for them and their friends to give a damn about the farmers.

Where did PT get the money?? They had not sold any rice, just pie in the sky,

they also didn't get the 2,000,000,000,000 train boondoggle money to CTA's.

If some one tried to ask bankers to fund that farce in the real world, they would

be laugh out of the room.

rice555

[marcusd]

PTP led government did not delay paying the rice farmers. It was EC who tried to bargain with the government - delay election or no payment, and the dem and its pdrc blocking the payments. Threatened banks not to cooperate with the government to pay rice farmers. According to this report, they have been enough funds to pay them and other avenues that funds were available.

No, PTP could have paid if they had not dissolved parliament. They caused the initial problem, the EC and Dems just took advantage of the situation afterwards. Both sides have abused the farmers, but PTP could have avoided this situation. The were too concerned about amnesty for them and their friends to give a damn about the farmers.

Where did PT get the money?? They had not sold any rice, just pie in the sky,

they also didn't get the 2,000,000,000,000 train boondoggle money to CTA's.

If some one tried to ask bankers to fund that farce in the real world, they would

be laugh out of the room.

rice555

they did laugh. Yingluck,got no,money. Hahaha. No she in plison Thai style. Lol

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How strange that in less than a week the Army can pay the farmers but the PTP exgovernment couldn't manage to do the same thing in more than 9 MONTHS.

My understanding is that when they had caretaker status, they were not able to borrow money as the government of Thailand. The army, however, can simply order banks to provide the loans necessary for the payments.

Well that doesn't justify not being paid for 6 to 9 months.

[happysanook]

How strange that in less than a week the Army can pay the farmers but the PTP exgovernment couldn't manage to do the same thing in more than 9 MONTHS.

My understanding is that when they had caretaker status, they were not able to borrow money as the government of Thailand. The army, however, can simply order banks to provide the loans necessary for the payments.

Exactly. Easy to make Yingluck look bad here.

The PM doesn't have nearly the same power and everything must be done under due process with many constituents to satisfy and parties to please. Under martial law and the constitution nulled, if you're head of the army you can do whatever the &lt;deleted&gt; you want.

[SICHONSTEVE]

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How strange that in less than a week the Army can pay the farmers but the PTP exgovernment couldn't manage to do the same thing in more than 9 MONTHS.

My understanding is that when they had caretaker status, they were not able to borrow money as the government of Thailand. The army, however, can simply order banks to provide the loans necessary for the payments.

Well that doesn't justify not being paid for 6 to 9 months.

Ask Thaksin why that happened as it was his doing!!!