Cricket International Series & General Chat

[7by7]

Interesting discussion on TMS during the rain break about the increasingly high scores achieved in ODIs and what bowlers could do to restrict batsman.

Which prompted the following question from, I think, Phil Tufnell.

"Do people come to ODIs to watch batters get a big score, or bowlers take wickets?"

I'd suggest the answer is both; but what do others think?

[BookMan]

Indeed, England had been up with, often ahead of, the required rate for much of their innings. When rain stopped play, chasing 399 to win they were 345 for 7, needing 54 from 37 balls; difficult, but achievable, especially with Rashid and Plunkett both seeing the ball as if it were a beach ball!

When play restarted, their revised target was 34 off 13 balls! They gave it a go, losing Rashid and Plunkett, as they had no time to get back into their previous frame of mind after the break, in the process; but the task was simply too much.

As this was a day/night game, The Oval has floodlights and the rain delay was short (the time they took to get the covers back off was longer than the time it rained for!), why could they not play those other 4 overs!

The attitude of "We have a scheduled latest finish time and are going to stick to it." may make sense if that scheduled time is late, but it was only 9:15.

I'm sure the neighbours wouldn't have objected if the game had gone on long enough to get a proper finish; how long would it have taken to bowl those other 4 overs?

Another great game, spoiled at the end by the attitude of officials and Messrs Duckworth and Lewis.

All credit to New Zealand on the win, and the muted manner of their celebration. It was obvious that they were disappointed with the manufactured aspect of their victory.

New Zealand 398-5: Taylor 119 not out, Williamson 93, Guptill 50

England 365-9: Morgan 88, Hales 54, McCullum 3-86

New Zealand won by 13 runs

Bold England lose rain-affected ODI thriller to New Zealand

34 off 13 is pretty tough at 7 down

[Will27]

As expected, job done by the boys with a 277 run win in the 2nd test.

Or as Brendon Julian said "Australia have retained the Sir Wank Forrell Trophy"

Brendon Julian makes hilarious commentary gaffe

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/28458309/julian-makes-commentary-gaffe/

[7by7]

Third England v New Zealand ODI at Southampton yesterday.

England won the toss and chose to bat. They continued the attacking play they showed in the previous two games.

In the last game, rain and Duckworth Lewis robbed them of the chance of a famous victory; this time they only have themselves to blame.

Having been 194 for 3 and then 288 for 5 they were bowled out in the 46th over for 302.

New Zealand comfortably reached the target with an over to spare.

England's aggressive, positive approach to batting is good to see, and there will be losses along the way. However, a period of consolidation when the wickets began to fall may have prevented them from being bowled out and committing the cardinal ODI sin for the side batting first of not using all their overs.

Dropped catches when fielding didn't help either. New Zealand were in trouble at 36 for 2 when Taylor and Williamson came together. Taylor was dropped twice and Williamson once as they added a New Zealand ODI record partnership in England of 206.

England 302 (45.2 overs): Morgan 71, Stokes 68

New Zealand 306-7 (49 overs): Williamson 118, Taylor 110

New Zealand win by three wickets

England v New Zealand: Taylor, Williamson give tourists 2-1 lead

Edited June 15, 2015 by 7by7

[7by7]

Another superb ODI yesterday at Trent bridge, and another record broken as England recorded their highest ever run chase to win a game.

They have also already passed their previous highest aggregate score in a five day ODI series of 1399 with a game still to go!

New Zealand 349-7 (50 overs): Williamson 90, Elliott 55*

England: 350-3 (44 overs): Morgan 113, Root 106*

England win by 7 wickets.

England v New Zealand: Root & Morgan lead record run chase

Bring on the decider at Chester-Le-Street on Saturday!

[rijit]

Tbh first time for ages i'm getting entertainment from an england team. And i'm not on about just winning , its the attitude. Sort of ' w t f lets just go for it' . Refreshing

rijit

[7by7]

Indeed, if the Ashes is half as entertaining as both the two tests and this one day series against New Zealand have been, then what a superb summer of international cricket we in England will have enjoyed.

[Will27]

Another superb ODI yesterday at Trent bridge, and another record broken as England recorded their highest ever run chase to win a game.

They have also already passed their previous highest aggregate score in a five day ODI series of 1399 with a game still to go!

New Zealand 349-7 (50 overs): Williamson 90, Elliott 55*

England: 350-3 (44 overs): Morgan 113, Root 106*

England win by 7 wickets.

England v New Zealand: Root & Morgan lead record run chase

Bring on the decider at Chester-Le-Street on Saturday!

As far as limited overs cricket is concerned, England seem to have finally seen the light.

For once, not just picking test teams with a few changes here and there, and realising 300 plus

scores are the norm now.

Too late for the WC but makes it really interesting for the upcoming Ashes series.

[rijit]

Deary deary me 50 4 5

rijit

[rijit]

17 of 12 needed !!! Great entertainment fitting tense end

rijit

[rijit]

A win but not the point could this series mark a definative change in english international cricket ? Either way well done morgan and extremly well done new zealand great to watch.

rijit

Edited June 20, 2015 by rijit

[7by7]

A tense and exciting finish!

Having won the toss, Morgan put New Zealand in.

With conditions, for once, favouring the bowlers, the Kiwis were restricted to 283 for 9 from their 50 overs.

Rain in the interval meant England were set a target of 192 from 26 overs.

At 45 for 5 with the required rate going up and up, it looked like a lost cause when Bairstow and Billings came together.

Bairstow's 83 n.o. from 60 balls, Billings' 41 from 30 and a cameo at the end from Rashid of 12 from 9 saw England over the line with an over to spare.

New Zealand 283-9 (50 overs): Guptill 67, Williamson 50

England 192-7 (25 overs): Bairstow 83*, Billings 41

England win by three wickets (D/L) and win series 3-2

England v New Zealand: Jonny Bairstow guides hosts to series win

Some of the ODI records broken in this series:

• England score highest run total by any team in a five-match series - 1,617
• Most boundaries from both sides in a five-match series - 390
• England score most boundaries in a five-match series by any team - 209
• First time a combined 3,000 runs is surpassed in a five-match series - 3,151
• New Zealand score their highest total of runs in a five-match series - 1,534
  

[BookMan]

A tense and exciting finish!

Having won the toss, Morgan put New Zealand in.

With conditions, for once, favouring the bowlers, the Kiwis were restricted to 283 for 9 from their 50 overs.

Rain in the interval meant England were set a target of 192 from 26 overs.

At 45 for 5 with the required rate going up and up, it looked like a lost cause when Bairstow and Billings came together.

Bairstow's 83 n.o. from 60 balls, Billings' 41 from 30 and a cameo at the end from Rashid of 12 from 9 saw England over the line with an over to spare.

New Zealand 283-9 (50 overs): Guptill 67, Williamson 50

England 192-7 (25 overs): Bairstow 83*, Billings 41

England win by three wickets (D/L) and win series 3-2

England v New Zealand: Jonny Bairstow guides hosts to series win

Some of the ODI records broken in this series:

• England score highest run total by any team in a five-match series - 1,617
• Most boundaries from both sides in a five-match series - 390
• England score most boundaries in a five-match series by any team - 209
• First time a combined 3,000 runs is surpassed in a five-match series - 3,151
• New Zealand score their highest total of runs in a five-match series - 1,534

Some big scoring stats there.

Have they been bringing the ropes ever further in form the boundary on English grounds also?

[7by7]

Not sure about that; I've not got Sky Sports, and have been working during most games, and when the terrestrial TV highlights are on, so not been able to actually watch much of the games; listening to TMS instead.

No real mention of short boundaries on TMS while I've been listening, though.

[rijit]

A tense and exciting finish!

Having won the toss, Morgan put New Zealand in.

With conditions, for once, favouring the bowlers, the Kiwis were restricted to 283 for 9 from their 50 overs.

Rain in the interval meant England were set a target of 192 from 26 overs.

At 45 for 5 with the required rate going up and up, it looked like a lost cause when Bairstow and Billings came together.

Bairstow's 83 n.o. from 60 balls, Billings' 41 from 30 and a cameo at the end from Rashid of 12 from 9 saw England over the line with an over to spare.

New Zealand 283-9 (50 overs): Guptill 67, Williamson 50

England 192-7 (25 overs): Bairstow 83*, Billings 41

England win by three wickets (D/L) and win series 3-2

England v New Zealand: Jonny Bairstow guides hosts to series win

Some of the ODI records broken in this series:

• England score highest run total by any team in a five-match series - 1,617
• Most boundaries from both sides in a five-match series - 390
• England score most boundaries in a five-match series by any team - 209
• First time a combined 3,000 runs is surpassed in a five-match series - 3,151
• New Zealand score their highest total of runs in a five-match series - 1,534

Some big scoring stats there.

Have they been bringing the ropes ever further in form the boundary on English grounds also?

Was mentioned during com'entary 'new'

Health and safety, rope/ boundary has to be at least 2.5 metres from the fence/wall

rijit

[StreetCowboy]

A tense and exciting finish!

Having won the toss, Morgan put New Zealand in.

With conditions, for once, favouring the bowlers, the Kiwis were restricted to 283 for 9 from their 50 overs.

Rain in the interval meant England were set a target of 192 from 26 overs.

At 45 for 5 with the required rate going up and up, it looked like a lost cause when Bairstow and Billings came together.

Bairstow's 83 n.o. from 60 balls, Billings' 41 from 30 and a cameo at the end from Rashid of 12 from 9 saw England over the line with an over to spare.

New Zealand 283-9 (50 overs): Guptill 67, Williamson 50

England 192-7 (25 overs): Bairstow 83*, Billings 41

England win by three wickets (D/L) and win series 3-2

England v New Zealand: Jonny Bairstow guides hosts to series win

Some of the ODI records broken in this series:

• England score highest run total by any team in a five-match series - 1,617
• Most boundaries from both sides in a five-match series - 390
• England score most boundaries in a five-match series by any team - 209
• First time a combined 3,000 runs is surpassed in a five-match series - 3,151
• New Zealand score their highest total of runs in a five-match series - 1,534

Some big scoring stats there.

Have they been bringing the ropes ever further in form the boundary on English grounds also?

Was mentioned during com'entary 'new'

Health and safety, rope/ boundary has to be at least 2.5 metres from the fence/wall

rijit

That's so's they don't lose their balls into the crowd. There's frugality for you

[BookMan]

Guys, its probably worth starting up a separate ASHES thread for the upcoming series?

7x7 or KhunWill for the startup honors?

[7by7]

OK, BookMan; done; Ashes 2015.

Meanwhile, there's Tuesday's England v New Zealand T20 at Old Trafford to look forward to.

Though T20 is my least favourite form of the game.

[rijit]

OK, BookMan; done; Ashes 2015.

Meanwhile, there's Tuesday's England v New Zealand T20 at Old Trafford to look forward to.

Though T20 is my least favourite form of the game.

I must admit this E v N Z 20 -20 is the first match i've given more than 10 mins to and i have to say i like the way the game changes, one min ure getting hammered literally 3 overs later your winning!!!. Perhaps i'll give it some more time.

Oh great win by england.

rijit

Edited June 23, 2015 by rijit

[7by7]

England 191-7 (20 overs): Root 68

New Zealand 135 (16.2 overs): Williamson 57, Willey 3-22, Wood 3-26

England win by 56 runs

England v New Zealand: Joe Root and Mark Wood inspire win

[7by7]

Clive Rice: Former South Africa and Notts captain dies aged 66

Rice was 42 when he made his official international debut and played only three ODIs, despite an outstanding first-class record which saw him average 40.95 with the bat and 22.49 with the ball.

A great contributor to the game, both as a player and as a coach. Such a shame that the years of isolation during apartheid kept him from the international stage for most of his playing career.

R.I.P.

Edited July 28, 2015 by 7by7

[Will27]

Well gang

The real stuff begins next week

T20 next Monday followed by the ODI's.

Do people want to use this thread or the Ashes one?

[7by7]

It's all part of the one tour; so I vote for keeping it in the Ashes thread.

[Will27]

It's all part of the one tour; so I vote for keeping it in the Ashes thread.

Ok, sounds good to me.

[7by7]

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Ashes: England, South Africa and India Tests to leave the Waca

Future Ashes Test matches in Perth are to be moved away from the iconic Waca ground to a new stadium in the city.

Plans have been unveiled which include moving all Australia's Test matches against England, South Africa and India to the new 60,000-seater Perth Stadium.

The Waca will be renovated and maintained as a "boutique stadium".

Former Australia fast bowler Dennis Lillee has resigned as Western Australian Cricket Association president over the move.

For Austrailians, particulalrly Western Australians, it must feel like there being no more tests at Lords would feel to us English.

[Will27]

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Ashes: England, South Africa and India Tests to leave the Waca

Future Ashes Test matches in Perth are to be moved away from the iconic Waca ground to a new stadium in the city.

Plans have been unveiled which include moving all Australia's Test matches against England, South Africa and India to the new 60,000-seater Perth Stadium.

The Waca will be renovated and maintained as a "boutique stadium".

Former Australia fast bowler Dennis Lillee has resigned as Western Australian Cricket Association president over the move.

For Austrailians, particulalrly Western Australians, it must feel like there being no more tests at Lords would feel to us English.

Gutted!

The pitch at the WACA is unique and world renowned.

[Will27]

Quite a handy side.

My only change would be to replace AB with Steve Waugh.

Warney is not a fan of Tugga, especially after Waugh dropped him for a test in the WI.

Shane Warne names Allan Border as captain in greatest Australian ODI team of the past 25 years

1. Mark Waugh
2. Adam Gilchrist
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Mike Hussey
5. Allan Border ©
6. Michael Bevan
7. Andrew Symonds
8. Mitchell Johnson
9. Shane Warne
10. Brett Lee
11. Glenn McGrath

Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/sport/cricket/shane-warne-names-allan-border-as-captain-in-greatest-australian-odi-team-of-the-past-25-years-20150904-gjfq2i.html#ixzz3koxkT37m

Edited September 5, 2015 by Will27

[BookMan]

Controversial dismissal of Ben Stokes overshadows Australia's 64-run victory at Lord's

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-06/ben-stokes-dismissal-overshadows-australia-odi-win-at-lords/6752958

....

More english whinging... The ball would have hit the stumps, Stokes brought his hand all the way over to stop it. Mate, you are out. Quit complaining.

[rijit]

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Ashes: England, South Africa and India Tests to leave the Waca

Future Ashes Test matches in Perth are to be moved away from the iconic Waca ground to a new stadium in the city.

Plans have been unveiled which include moving all Australia's Test matches against England, South Africa and India to the new 60,000-seater Perth Stadium.

The Waca will be renovated and maintained as a "boutique stadium".

Former Australia fast bowler Dennis Lillee has resigned as Western Australian Cricket Association president over the move.

For Austrailians, particulalrly Western Australians, it must feel like there being no more tests at Lords would feel to us English.

Gutted!

The pitch at the WACA is unique and world renowned.

So they are just gonna demolish the wacca? If so Seems a bloody shame all that heritage lost..

rijit

[ripstanley]

Shane Watson has announced his retirement from Test cricket effective immediately

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-06/watson-announces-retirement-from-test-cricket/6753774