Lancelot Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Most governments urge their citizens to abstain from alcohol and tobacco, which are legal products in many countries. But how would they replace the rich revenue streams earned by taxing those products? Be careful what you ask for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonRatch Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Most governments urge their citizens to abstain from alcohol and tobacco, which are legal products in many countries. But how would they replace the rich revenue streams earned by taxing those products? Be careful what you ask for I disagree. Most countries use taxation as a false pretense for abstination when, in which such circumstances, the purchase of alcohol and tobacco, as drugs, are perfectly legal. That is far from a means to the encouragement of abstinence and, in fact, encourages people to try to beat the 'system'. IF a country truly meant the intent for its citizens to abstain then it would ban the product outright, would it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I'll drink to that! In all seriousness, Thai men tend to be major drunks. I won't say all, but many. This is a good message. However, I do have a problem with all of the Buddhist holidays that force everyone to live under Buddhist morals, by not selling alcohol. My wife and I can't even go out to a nice dinner and have a bottle of wine on these days. It it was one or two days a year it would be one story, but it's more like 15 or 20, if you include the stupid election laws. Many of these fall on weekends, when we would normally go out. Coming from the USA, where we have strict separation of church and state, I am offended by this. I'm not a heavy drinker, but when I do want to go out and have a drink or two, I feel like I should be able to, without the Thai government telling me when I can and can't. This is one part of this country that gets very old and tired. So why not have a romantic night in, cook her dinner, get a chick flick on, later on slip a blue in the DVD player, bit of role playing, etc. I'm sure she'd make it worth your while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonRatch Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Just look at what is happening this weekend, no drunken brawls, less abuse of women, and so far a greater reduction on vehicle accidents. Percentages, figures and source please, especially pertaining to the central part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 No hope of changing that. They already are the biggest drinkers, in Asean! Take a look at the World Health Organization (WHO) List of Countries by Alcohol Consumed...Thailand is way down the list....European countries dominate the top of the list. The South Koreans have long been the drinking champions of Asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingstonkid Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Got to say it was an interesting night on PATPONG. Went to celebrate my birthday. While most of the bars were open it wan interesting going into see the girls and being asked if i wanted coke or water LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nithisa78 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Good policy to stick with year round. Too much downside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongtak Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 It will never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtoad Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 It will never change. What exactly wont change? Do you work with The Min of Health? Sent from my GT-I9500 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chonburiram Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 A sober populace is ungovernable; so, nothing to fear... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> Gawd whats next? Tips on religious devotion? There is another country in the region that issues similar edicts and has an unelected government in power ; North Korea. The Democratic People's Republic of Korea does have an elected government in power. In recently held elections supreme leader Kim Jong-un was not only elected to the highest legislative body in North Korea, he won with the unanimous approval of his district, which had 100 per cent turnout! Voters also voted on the new roster of deputies for the 13th Supreme People's Assembly, the country's legislature. Governance of the country is done through rule of the majority. By all appearances North Korea is the embodiment of a democratic society! In practice - 1) The majority is represented by the worker's class represented soley by the Communist Party. 2) Because competition between political parties is seen as the expression of conflicting interests (can cause confusion and unhappiness), there is no other political party other than the Communist party . 3) A single candidate is selected for each parliament seat every five years by the Communist Party to run for election. Voters can vote "yes" or "no." 4) The People's Assembly has little legislative power and when it is not in session (most of the time), its work is done by the Presidium that is composed of the Head of State (aka Supreme Leader) and members appointed by the Head of State. The Presidium not only can rescind the decrees, decisions and directives of the People’s Assembly, and suspend the implementation of "unwarranted" decisions of local People’s Assemblies, it can create its own legislation, decrees, and rules. A country that has various democratic labels and devices (I call it "jewelry") attached to its governance really doesn't mean anything so long as there is an absolute authority in power. But in a roundabout way you are correct as to the bottom line. Thailand has been a "faux" democracy much like North Korea. . I don't really understand what you try to tell....Thailand has many parties. North Korea has 2 and only one to vote for. USA has 2. Most European countries have 4-5. What do you want to tell? If it is the amount of parties Thailand would be super democratic (I know it isn't) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokay Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I am all for freedom to do with ones body what you please as long as you don't bother others.And there in lies the dilemma - alcohol quite often leads to 'bothering' others!Thailand is NOT a secular nation. It is a Buddhist nation and you'd think everyone could follow the 5th precept at least a couple of times a year... kinda like CXhristians going to church only at Xmas and Easter... Sure there are quite a lot of idiots who become even greater idiots when drunk. I am an atheist so why would I follow any religion they all are equally crazy to me.Yeah, I'm agnostic... but I do show respect to the religions of the cultures I reside in. What exactly is your point?Sent from my ME172V using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Most governments urge their citizens to abstain from alcohol and tobacco, which are legal products in many countries. But how would they replace the rich revenue streams earned by taxing those products? Be careful what you ask for Quite easy...heavy fines for everyone who fails to drink responsibility--like the Western countries do that all the strongest protesters on this thread originate from. The coffers would overfloweth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Prayuth could use good ole Chalerm as his poster boy for this campaign. Too much booze will turn you into a pathetic scumbag like this. I wonder if a plan to have off-duty cops wearing balaclavas and driving round Thailand on motorbikes executing on sight anybody drinking or suspected to be drinking alcohol would have the Thaksinites crying Hallelujah as they did during his war on drugs? Double standards, much? Just felt this deserved another look at. Great post. Has any one seen Chalerm lately? With out Thaksin to hold him up he turns out to be a pretty small man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 There is nothing wrong with having a drink, the trick is to know when you have had enough, especially if you have to drive. No the trick is not driving when you have been drinking. If you are sitting in your front room watching a Thai soap or Fox news and hurting no one it should not matter if you have a few extra. Mind you it would probably take a few to turn either one of those on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolgeoff Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 it will change anything the thais will have they local and samsang always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 There is nothing wrong with having a drink, the trick is to know when you have had enough, especially if you have to drive. No the trick is not driving when you have been drinking. If you are sitting in your front room watching a Thai soap or Fox news and hurting no one it should not matter if you have a few extra. Mind you it would probably take a few to turn either one of those on. The only way to "stomach" FOX news is inebriated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim walker Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Its only and advisory notice, youths save up all your alcohol sins for the next Songkran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borzandy Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Too late... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I wholeheartedly agree; alcohol in Thailand should be the same as any other drug; heroin, cocaine, pot etc. Possession should elicit the death sentence. Many of Thailand's problems would be solved. I sincerely hope the junta is going in this direction. I am glad to have a more moderate view of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Too late...I take the brevity of the post to mean its too late and off to bed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliot Rosewater Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) I wholeheartedly agree; alcohol in Thailand should be the same as any other drug; heroin, cocaine, pot etc. Possession should elicit the death sentence. Many of Thailand's problems would be solved. I sincerely hope the junta is going in this direction. Just when you think TV posters couldn't get any more stupid It may seem outlandish an inferior primitive brain; however alcohol is just as dangerous as heroin (perhaps more as it is so readily available) and should be treated as such. OR.....ALL drugs should be legal. I will leave it to you to attempt to figure that one out. Edited July 14, 2014 by Eliot Rosewater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiSoLowSoNoSo Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Many slaves and slavery stories here lately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaorop Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I never saw my dad drunk, and my mum only a bit typsy and I went out of my way to not be seen intoxicated by my own children when young. What age did you start having kids? okay When I was young in the 60's and 70s I never saw my parents drunk, nor drink much at all. (not that they did anyway, as I later realized, both were health nuts well before their time) In the 90's when I had young children of my own, I made sure that my alcohol consumption in front of them was minimal and they never saw me drunk. Wasn't hard to do and I believe it has helped them be more sensible about their own drinking habits. No point telling teenagers or adults what to do, so really all you can do is lead young children in a better direction. kowjai chaimai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongtak Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) It will never change.What exactly wont change?Do you work with The Min of Health? Sent from my GT-I9500 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app The Thais will never stop drinking alcohol not even reduce. Edited July 14, 2014 by chongtak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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