Gaza and Israel suffer deadliest day

[CBR250]

Hamas is actually more responsible the deaths of those children. They knew what launching rockets from civilian areas would mean. Using the word murder is totally loaded in a war situation. 

 

If a person wishes not to be seen as a rabid Israel demonizer, I would suggest backing off from inflamed rhetoric such as accusing Zionists of being child murderers. That is exactly what anti-semitic Hamas was looking for in their cynical tactic of using human shields. This poison has even been used in some protests to revive the ancient "blood libel" attacks against the Jews.

Get real, OK? It is not Israeli policy to murder innocent children.

 

No, not policy to murder children. Just accepted practice by the Isareli government and IDF. The idea that somehow the deaths of children fom Israeli bullets, missiles and tank shells is not muder because it lacks "intent" doesn't wash. Of course the IDF does not target individual children. But it targets residences and locations knowing full well that there are likely to be children living there. And it is so negligent in the use of its vaunted technological weaponry that it cannot distinguish between a few boys watching football from a terrorist invasion. That level of negligence combined with trigger happy commanders also constitutes murder.

 

The intellectual contortions you engage in to try to blame Hamas for these deaths is similar to the Orwellian logic we often see from Netanyahu and his lackeys. Hamas of course bears some responsibility, but nothing like that of the IDF and Israeli government. If Israel had been subject to the same stringent blockade as Gaza has for 7 years, they too would eventually take actions that lead to deaths of people. Would you then blame the Israelis for resisting the blockade? Would not the responsibility rest with those who had blockaded the country and turned it into an open air prison?

[Scott]

An inflammatory, off-topic post has been deleted along with a reply.  

[dr_lucas]

 

Hamas is actually more responsible the deaths of those children. They knew what launching rockets from civilian areas would mean. Using the word murder is totally loaded in a war situation. 

 

If a person wishes not to be seen as a rabid Israel demonizer, I would suggest backing off from inflamed rhetoric such as accusing Zionists of being child murderers. That is exactly what anti-semitic Hamas was looking for in their cynical tactic of using human shields. This poison has even been used in some protests to revive the ancient "blood libel" attacks against the Jews.

Get real, OK? It is not Israeli policy to murder innocent children.

 

No, not policy to murder children. Just accepted practice by the Isareli government and IDF. The idea that somehow the deaths of children fom Israeli bullets, missiles and tank shells is not muder because it lacks "intent" doesn't wash. Of course the IDF does not target individual children. But it targets residences and locations knowing full well that there are likely to be children living there. And it is so negligent in the use of its vaunted technological weaponry that it cannot distinguish between a few boys watching football from a terrorist invasion. That level of negligence combined with trigger happy commanders also constitutes murder.

 

 

 

 

Yes, if that was true, that would indeed constitute murder, but it's just another radical left wingers lie. Recorded evidence that completely contradicts your statements:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXrxLglOoRM&list=UUawNWlihdgaycQpO3zi-jYg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9iiyhoGK08&list=UUawNWlihdgaycQpO3zi-jYg

[up-country_sinclair]

 

It is Netanyahu who 7 years ago after all Arab states had agreed to recognize the State of Israel, moved the goalposts and starting asking for recognition of the Jewish State of Israel, thus instantly making Israeli Arabs even more second class citizens that they already are.

 

This is a salient point that is often glossed over by Israeli apologists.  And it is in part because of this sort of behavior by Israel which compels the majority of the world to determine that the Palestinians have the moral high ground in this conflict.

[Ulysses G.]

If this is the truth, why doesn't Israel present their evidence to a UN investigation? Otherwise it just remains Israeli propaganda.

Because the UN is totally corrupt when it comes to Israel, as has been pointed out repeatedly.

There are few certainties in life, but one that you can reliably count on is that the United Nations will condemn Israel every chance it gets. Between 2006 when the UNs so-called Human Right Council was established until 2013, the humanitarians on the council condemned Israel 45 times. In fact, it passed almost as many resolutions condemning Israel as it did for the rest of the world combined. - See more at: http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/israel-united-nations-crosshairs/?utm_source=BernardGoldberg.com+Newsletter&utm_campaign=9b34988da1-NEWSLETTER&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c1903183b6-9b34988da1-298481249#sthash.sQ3oMvJ4.dpuf


http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Sfe4aShdsug

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=qEszB62X1DA

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=svMq7-OSov8

[ggold]

 

Hamas is actually more responsible the deaths of those children. They knew what launching rockets from civilian areas would mean. Using the word murder is totally loaded in a war situation. 

 

If a person wishes not to be seen as a rabid Israel demonizer, I would suggest backing off from inflamed rhetoric such as accusing Zionists of being child murderers. That is exactly what anti-semitic Hamas was looking for in their cynical tactic of using human shields. This poison has even been used in some protests to revive the ancient "blood libel" attacks against the Jews.

Get real, OK? It is not Israeli policy to murder innocent children.

 

No, not policy to murder children. Just accepted practice by the Isareli government and IDF. The idea that somehow the deaths of children fom Israeli bullets, missiles and tank shells is not muder because it lacks "intent" doesn't wash. Of course the IDF does not target individual children. But it targets residences and locations knowing full well that there are likely to be children living there. And it is so negligent in the use of its vaunted technological weaponry that it cannot distinguish between a few boys watching football from a terrorist invasion. That level of negligence combined with trigger happy commanders also constitutes murder.

 

The intellectual contortions you engage in to try to blame Hamas for these deaths is similar to the Orwellian logic we often see from Netanyahu and his lackeys. Hamas of course bears some responsibility, but nothing like that of the IDF and Israeli government. If Israel had been subject to the same stringent blockade as Gaza has for 7 years, they too would eventually take actions that lead to deaths of people. Would you then blame the Israelis for resisting the blockade? Would not the responsibility rest with those who had blockaded the country and turned it into an open air prison?

 

 

So how would you deal with the rockets being fired from Gaza into Israel militarily. are you saying Israel doesn't have a right to defend itself.

[Jingthing]

 

 

It is Netanyahu who 7 years ago after all Arab states had agreed to recognize the State of Israel, moved the goalposts and starting asking for recognition of the Jewish State of Israel, thus instantly making Israeli Arabs even more second class citizens that they already are.

 

This is a salient point that is often glossed over by Israeli apologists.  And it is in part because of this sort of behavior by Israel which compels the majority of the world to determine that the Palestinians have the moral high ground in this conflict.

 

Israel does not seek to be the San Francisco Bay Area. It was founded based on the Zionist political movement. Basically, self determination in a nation state for the Jewish people. Not 100 percent Jewish people, but it must be a larger Jewish demographic for it to be Israel. 

[dexterm]

 

 

Hamas is actually more responsible the deaths of those children. They knew what launching rockets from civilian areas would mean. Using the word murder is totally loaded in a war situation. 

 

If a person wishes not to be seen as a rabid Israel demonizer, I would suggest backing off from inflamed rhetoric such as accusing Zionists of being child murderers. That is exactly what anti-semitic Hamas was looking for in their cynical tactic of using human shields. This poison has even been used in some protests to revive the ancient "blood libel" attacks against the Jews.

Get real, OK? It is not Israeli policy to murder innocent children.

 

No, not policy to murder children. Just accepted practice by the Isareli government and IDF. The idea that somehow the deaths of children fom Israeli bullets, missiles and tank shells is not muder because it lacks "intent" doesn't wash. Of course the IDF does not target individual children. But it targets residences and locations knowing full well that there are likely to be children living there. And it is so negligent in the use of its vaunted technological weaponry that it cannot distinguish between a few boys watching football from a terrorist invasion. That level of negligence combined with trigger happy commanders also constitutes murder.

 

 

 

 

Yes, if that was true, that would indeed constitute murder, but it's just another radical left wingers lie. Recorded evidence that completely contradicts your statements:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXrxLglOoRM&list=UUawNWlihdgaycQpO3zi-jYg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9iiyhoGK08&list=UUawNWlihdgaycQpO3zi-jYg

 

 

All very laudable. Why doesn't Israel show all its footage, have it examined by international experts and allow the world to judge transparently?

[ggold]

 

If this is the truth, why doesn't Israel present their evidence to a UN investigation? Otherwise it just remains Israeli propaganda.

Because the UN is totally corrupt when it comes to Israel, as has been pointed out repeatedly.

There are few certainties in life, but one that you can reliably count on is that the United Nations will condemn Israel every chance it gets. Between 2006 when the UNs so-called Human Right Council was established until 2013, the humanitarians on the council condemned Israel 45 times. In fact, it passed almost as many resolutions condemning Israel as it did for the rest of the world combined. - See more at: http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/israel-united-nations-crosshairs/?utm_source=BernardGoldberg.com+Newsletter&utm_campaign=9b34988da1-NEWSLETTER&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c1903183b6-9b34988da1-298481249#sthash.sQ3oMvJ4.dpuf


http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Sfe4aShdsug

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=qEszB62X1DA

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=svMq7-OSov8

 

 

He doesn't accept that the UN are biased. I suggest he is racist but the post proving it was deleted by Scott.  

 

Israel asked the UN to provide a Photo of rockets being stored in the UNWRA school, what they did was contact Hamas to take the rockets away. Is that the action of a non biased UN organization?

 

Edited July 26, 2014 by ggold

[Asiantravel]

 

 

Hamas is actually more responsible the deaths of those children. They knew what launching rockets from civilian areas would mean. Using the word murder is totally loaded in a war situation. 

 

If a person wishes not to be seen as a rabid Israel demonizer, I would suggest backing off from inflamed rhetoric such as accusing Zionists of being child murderers. That is exactly what anti-semitic Hamas was looking for in their cynical tactic of using human shields. This poison has even been used in some protests to revive the ancient "blood libel" attacks against the Jews.

Get real, OK? It is not Israeli policy to murder innocent children.

 

No, not policy to murder children. Just accepted practice by the Isareli government and IDF. The idea that somehow the deaths of children fom Israeli bullets, missiles and tank shells is not muder because it lacks "intent" doesn't wash. Of course the IDF does not target individual children. But it targets residences and locations knowing full well that there are likely to be children living there. And it is so negligent in the use of its vaunted technological weaponry that it cannot distinguish between a few boys watching football from a terrorist invasion. That level of negligence combined with trigger happy commanders also constitutes murder.

 

The intellectual contortions you engage in to try to blame Hamas for these deaths is similar to the Orwellian logic we often see from Netanyahu and his lackeys. Hamas of course bears some responsibility, but nothing like that of the IDF and Israeli government. If Israel had been subject to the same stringent blockade as Gaza has for 7 years, they too would eventually take actions that lead to deaths of people. Would you then blame the Israelis for resisting the blockade? Would not the responsibility rest with those who had blockaded the country and turned it into an open air prison?

 

 

So how would you deal with the rockets being fired from Gaza into Israel militarily. are you saying Israel doesn't have a right to defend itself.

 

 

Does Hamas shoot “rockets” at Israel?

 

"  Again, the repetitive rhetoric of US/Israel government and corporate media make this claim, based upon Israeli government testimony. The “Qassam rocket” is a homemade projectile that appears to have killed 28 Israelis since 2004.

 

Israel’s publications admit they don’t know the source of the reported “rockets;” guessing 22% are from Hamas.

 

Hamas denies launching rockets, affirms a peaceful two-state solution, and we know that Israel violated the last ceasefire agreement (see “Hamas” section).

 

If Israel is engaged in unlawful war on Gaza, such as subject to military siege by water and land as Israel does by sealing Gaza’s borders and imposing a naval blockade, then any Palestinian is lawfully able to act in defense of Israel’s war acts, including the shooting of homemade rockets. Let’s examine this next topic."

 

 

http://www.examiner.com/article/confused-about-hamas-rockets-war-gaza-vital-background-facts
 

[dr_lucas]

 

 

 

Hamas is actually more responsible the deaths of those children. They knew what launching rockets from civilian areas would mean. Using the word murder is totally loaded in a war situation. 

 

If a person wishes not to be seen as a rabid Israel demonizer, I would suggest backing off from inflamed rhetoric such as accusing Zionists of being child murderers. That is exactly what anti-semitic Hamas was looking for in their cynical tactic of using human shields. This poison has even been used in some protests to revive the ancient "blood libel" attacks against the Jews.

Get real, OK? It is not Israeli policy to murder innocent children.

 

No, not policy to murder children. Just accepted practice by the Isareli government and IDF. The idea that somehow the deaths of children fom Israeli bullets, missiles and tank shells is not muder because it lacks "intent" doesn't wash. Of course the IDF does not target individual children. But it targets residences and locations knowing full well that there are likely to be children living there. And it is so negligent in the use of its vaunted technological weaponry that it cannot distinguish between a few boys watching football from a terrorist invasion. That level of negligence combined with trigger happy commanders also constitutes murder.

 

 

 

 

Yes, if that was true, that would indeed constitute murder, but it's just another radical left wingers lie. Recorded evidence that completely contradicts your statements:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXrxLglOoRM&list=UUawNWlihdgaycQpO3zi-jYg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9iiyhoGK08&list=UUawNWlihdgaycQpO3zi-jYg

 

 

All very laudable. Why doesn't Israel show all its footage, have it examined by international experts and allow the world to judge transparently?

 

 

When you will ask "Why doesn't Hamas shows all its footage, have it examined by international experts and allow the world to judge transparently", I will spend my valuable time answering your question.

[Ulysses G.]

Does Hamas shoot “rockets” at Israel?

Are you serious? YES and everyone knows it.

[dr_lucas]

 

 

 

 

It is Netanyahu who 7 years ago after all Arab states had agreed to recognize the State of Israel, moved the goalposts and starting asking for recognition of the Jewish State of Israel, thus instantly making Israeli Arabs even more second class citizens that they already are.

 

This is a salient point that is often glossed over by Israeli apologists.  And it is in part because of this sort of behavior by Israel which compels the majority of the world to determine that the Palestinians have the moral high ground in this conflict.

 

Israel does not seek to be the San Francisco Bay Area. It was founded based on the Zionist political movement. Basically, self determination in a nation state for the Jewish people. Not 100 percent Jewish people, but it must be a larger Jewish demographic for it to be Israel. 

 

 

Who are the Jewish people? There's no such thing.

 

 

Any person whose religion is Judaism. In a wider sense the term refers to any member of a worldwide ethnic and cultural group descended from the ancient Hebrews who traditionally practiced the Jewish religion.

[dexterm]

DL,

 

I notice you havent answered the question.

 

Give Gazans fighter jets with cameras and they maybe they could photo shop their pics too.

[dr_lucas]

 

Does Hamas shoot “rockets” at Israel?

Are you serious? YES and everyone knows it.

 

 

No, not everyone. He doesn't (or probably just doesn't want to know).

[dr_lucas]

DL,

 

I notice you havent answered the question.

 

Give Gazans fighter jets with cameras and they maybe they could photo shop their pics too.

 

Don't know, I see lots of pics and videos published by Hamas every day and calling the Israeli vids "photo shop"ed is ridiculous.

 

Here are a few more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoK9YL6D5RE&list=UUawNWlihdgaycQpO3zi-jYg

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE7ykidY7FA&list=UUawNWlihdgaycQpO3zi-jYg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yvQz3SQxGI&list=UUawNWlihdgaycQpO3zi-jYg

Edited July 26, 2014 by dr_lucas

[ggold]

 

 

 

Hamas is actually more responsible the deaths of those children. They knew what launching rockets from civilian areas would mean. Using the word murder is totally loaded in a war situation. 

 

If a person wishes not to be seen as a rabid Israel demonizer, I would suggest backing off from inflamed rhetoric such as accusing Zionists of being child murderers. That is exactly what anti-semitic Hamas was looking for in their cynical tactic of using human shields. This poison has even been used in some protests to revive the ancient "blood libel" attacks against the Jews.

Get real, OK? It is not Israeli policy to murder innocent children.

 

No, not policy to murder children. Just accepted practice by the Isareli government and IDF. The idea that somehow the deaths of children fom Israeli bullets, missiles and tank shells is not muder because it lacks "intent" doesn't wash. Of course the IDF does not target individual children. But it targets residences and locations knowing full well that there are likely to be children living there. And it is so negligent in the use of its vaunted technological weaponry that it cannot distinguish between a few boys watching football from a terrorist invasion. That level of negligence combined with trigger happy commanders also constitutes murder.

 

The intellectual contortions you engage in to try to blame Hamas for these deaths is similar to the Orwellian logic we often see from Netanyahu and his lackeys. Hamas of course bears some responsibility, but nothing like that of the IDF and Israeli government. If Israel had been subject to the same stringent blockade as Gaza has for 7 years, they too would eventually take actions that lead to deaths of people. Would you then blame the Israelis for resisting the blockade? Would not the responsibility rest with those who had blockaded the country and turned it into an open air prison?

 

 

So how would you deal with the rockets being fired from Gaza into Israel militarily. are you saying Israel doesn't have a right to defend itself.

 

 

Does Hamas shoot “rockets” at Israel?

 

"  Again, the repetitive rhetoric of US/Israel government and corporate media make this claim, based upon Israeli government testimony. The “Qassam rocket” is a homemade projectile that appears to have killed 28 Israelis since 2004.

 

Israel’s publications admit they don’t know the source of the reported “rockets;” guessing 22% are from Hamas.

 

Hamas denies launching rockets, affirms a peaceful two-state solution, and we know that Israel violated the last ceasefire agreement (see “Hamas” section).

 

If Israel is engaged in unlawful war on Gaza, such as subject to military siege by water and land as Israel does by sealing Gaza’s borders and imposing a naval blockade, then any Palestinian is lawfully able to act in defense of Israel’s war acts, including the shooting of homemade rockets. Let’s examine this next topic."

 

 

http://www.examiner.com/article/confused-about-hamas-rockets-war-gaza-vital-background-facts
 

 

 

Great, now we have a denier that Hamas are firing rockets into Israel.  This is the percentage of rockets being fired by various factions in Gaza

 

The Israeli Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center estimated that in 2007^[27] the proportions of rockets fired were:

34% – Palestinian Islamic Jihad 22% – Hamas  8% – Fatah  6% – Popular Resistance Committees 30% – unknown

and where is the link that affirms

 

Hamas denies launching rockets, affirms a peaceful two-state solution? I think it safe to say that is a lie.

 

Edited July 26, 2014 by ggold

[chuckd]

Perhaps the IDF has been privy to the YouTubes from Syria showing tunnel bombs,

 

Is it any wonder they feel the need to destroy tunnels?

 

You be the judge.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwTj0tWMh2A

 

 

[dexterm]

 

Does Hamas shoot “rockets” at Israel?

Are you serious? YES and everyone knows it.

 

 

Yes, 2 rockets that landed harmlessly in fields in the first 2 weeks of June. And for this Netanyahu launched the present round of violence killing 936 Gazans and 38 Israelis - a sledgehammer to crack a nut.methinks he had other motives.

It

[dr_lucas]

Perhaps the IDF has been privy to the YouTubes from Syria showing tunnel bombs,

 

Is it any wonder they feel the need to destroy tunnels?

 

You be the judge.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwTj0tWMh2A

 

 

 

Please don't post such videos. You are weakening the radical left wingers position and they will just either ignore them, dismiss them or describe them as computer generated or photoshop'ed.

[Ulysses G.]

Does Hamas shoot rockets at Israel?

Are you serious? YES and everyone knows it.

 
Yes, 2 rockets that landed harmlessly in fields in the first 2 weeks of June.

Nope. More than 2,000 rockets have been fired into Israel from Gaza. 
 
Israel has continued its offensive in the Gaza Strip as it seeks to stop rocket fire from militants. More than 2,000 rockets have been fired into Israel from Gaza.
http://www.dw.de/israel-pounds-gaza-as-hamas-rocket-fire-continues/a-17800727 Edited July 26, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[chuckd]

If World War II had been undertaken with the same soft glove approach some of you feel is "fair", the Allies would still be fighting the Axis in the hedgerows of France and the islands of the Pacific.

 

The object of war is to kill and destroy your enemy.

 

Hamas can't win on the battlefield so they must rely on the court of public opinion to sway the conflict in their favor.

 

What I find hard to believe is so many of you are buying it.

[ggold]

 

 

Does Hamas shoot “rockets” at Israel?

Are you serious? YES and everyone knows it.

 

 

Yes, 2 rockets that landed harmlessly in fields in the first 2 weeks of June. And for this Netanyahu launched the present round of violence killing 936 Gazans and 38 Israelis - a sledgehammer to crack a nut.methinks he had other motives.

It

 

 

That still constitutes an attack on a nation state. What would America or the UK or any other nation state do?

Edited July 26, 2014 by ggold

[Scott]

Posts deleted.  

[Ulysses G.]

"Does Hamas shoot “rockets” at Israel?" What an ignorant question.

 

An entire nation—towns, villages and cities, from the Negev Desert up to the Galilee, from the Judean hills of Jerusalem to the Tel Aviv seashore—has been under brutal and relentless attack, from more than two thousand mortars, rockets and long-range missiles, fired from Gaza toward civilians in every part of the Holy Land.
Never before, in the history of Israel’s seven decades of existence, has its men, women and children come under such a massive aerial assault, forcing them, at the sound of air raid sirens day and night, to run for shelter.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/07/24/hillel-neuer-palestinian-ambassador-called-hamas-missiles-a-crime-against-humanity-why-wont-the-un/

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcNdwLmGNSQ&list=PL8E1BA727A0E2DFC0

Edited July 26, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[dexterm]

 

 

Does Hamas shoot “rockets” at Israel?

Are you serious? YES and everyone knows it.

 

 

No, not everyone. He doesn't (or probably just doesn't want to know).

 

 

That's a typical "beggars the question" fallacy  ...asserting something and treating it as a universal truth.

 

"Everyone knows that all Israelis are racist"...oh no they don't ,you would say and I would agree with you. See what I mean.

[dexterm]

No point in replying at the moment.

 

 

[Jay Sata]

Writing in the UK Guardian today Jonathan. Friedland points out more Israelis have died in the operation to tackle the Hamas threat than have died from the Hamas threat, at least over the past five years. Put another way, to address the risk that hypothetical Israeli soldiers might be kidnapped, 33 actual Israeli soldiers have died. Never before have international airlines suspended flights into Israels national airport. But they did this week, a move that struck a neuralgic spot in the Israeli psyche: if disaster struck, thered be no escape. (Thats long been true of Gaza, of course.)http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/26/israel-gaza-war-self-defeating-less-not-more-secure Edited July 26, 2014 by Jay Sata

[dr_lucas]

Writing in the UK Guardian today Jonathan. Friedland points out more Israelis have died in the operation to tackle the Hamas threat than have died from the Hamas threat, at least over the past five years. Put another way, to address the risk that hypothetical Israeli soldiers might be kidnapped, 33 actual Israeli soldiers have died. Never before have international airlines suspended flights into Israels national airport. But they did this week, a move that struck a neuralgic spot in the Israeli psyche: if disaster struck, thered be no escape. (Thats long been true of Gaza, of course.)http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/26/israel-gaza-war-self-defeating-less-not-more-secure

 

The UK "Guardian" (together with its UK friends "The Observer", "The Mirror" and "BBC" TV among a few others) are well known for being a biased radical left wing and anti-Israeli sources of news with their own agendas. You reading it (and quoting some its nonsense interpretations) is not surprising, considering the biased and hypocrite one sided posts you make.

While maybe more Israelis have died in the operation than the the number of Israelis who died in the past 5 years, (if that's even true), still does not mean anything as the operation to tackle Hamas threats saves potentially much greater numbers of civilian lives than the ones who died.

 

His interpretation of how Israelis feel is ridiculous on the border of science-fiction. I couldn't stop laughing reading it. Are you aware that there were still many airlines, including all Israeli airlines operating and now all international airlines are back to normal routine?

 

As for Gaza, I find it very unfortunate that Egypt blocks civilians from entering it for humanitarian reasons at least. While Israel can't be blamed for blocking its own borders due to fear of possible terrorism, especially at a time of war, I believe Egypt can be more helpful in this regard, but chooses not to.

[Morch]

 

 

Issue not avoided. Issue was directly addressed. Suggesting ZIonism equals fascism is a disgusting lie. As far as anti-semitism, sorry, we are not all fools here. Look at the global protests now happening in the world ... massive amount of extremely blatant anti-semitism being displayed. That cannot be denied.

That a FACT:

Since the beginning of the current war between Israel and Hamas, eight synagogues in France have been attacked. In Turkey, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has asked for Jews to apologize for the actions of the Jewish state. In Germany, a prominent Muslim imam gave a sermon asking Allah to kill all of the Zionist Jews.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/25/europe-s-jews-blamed-for-israel-s-war.html

Neo-Nazis take centre stage at London anti-Israel protests

Prominent Holocaust deniers took centre stage during recent anti-Israel demonstrations in London, where participants included such prominent neo-Nazis as James Thring and Lady Michèle Renouf, as well as members of the far-Right Neturei Karta sect. The protest was organised by a variety of far-Left and extreme Islamist organisations, including War on Want, Palestine Solidarity Campaign, Stop the War Coalition, Islamic Forum of Europe, British Muslim Initiative, Palestinian Forum in Britain and Friends of Al Aqsa
http://standforpeace...srael-protests/


According to the Rundschau, student organization Left-SDS, Islamists and some members of the Neo-Nazi group National Socialists Rhein-Main attended the anti-Israel protest. Flags from Turkey, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Hamas were on display at the protest.
http://www.jpost.com...peration-362742

http://standforpeace...srael-protests/


Lots of photos and a video showing thousands of Frenchmen yelling Jews, France is not yours, while marching through Paris giving Nazi salutes.


http://americablog.c...get-france.html

 

 

Ignoring for a moment that you have in the past been completely unable to define what a Jew actually is. 

 

It is Netanyahu who 7 years ago after all Arab states had agreed to recognize the State of Israel, moved the goalposts and starting asking for recognition of the Jewish State of Israel, thus instantly making Israeli Arabs even more second class citizens that they already are. He's the one bringing Jews into the equation, he's the one massacring innocent civilians in Gaza in the name of hisJewish State, Is it any wonder when he stirs up this hornets' nest that he gets an anti Semitic reaction in many parts of the world.

Netanyahu is responsible for all this.

 

If he wants to reduce anti Semitism, then get out of Gaza and the West Bank, and make peace with your neighbors

 

 

Netanyahu's new condition was indeed another way to delay and obstruct moving forward with negotiations. However, keeping on harping on what the Saudi initiative (as it was called back then) stated - one should also be aware that Hamas outright rejected this offer (on both times it was made). It is not a clear case of Israel just having to say Yes, and all shall be well. Hardly the case.

 

Furthermore, Lebanon was not, and is not, in a position to sign any binding agreements on this issue, while having little control over Hezbollah. The same goes for the PA and Abbas - they cannot guarantee even a ceasefire when it comes to Hamas, let alone peace.

 

Making peace requires two sides willing to make concessions. It is not that Israel is ready and willing, but then so are the Hamas and some of Israel's neighbors. Unacceptable positions and ridiculous demands have been presented by both sides over this long conflict.

 

Choosing an arbitrary point in time to pin as the cause is something repeated in your posts, it does not serve accuracy well.