Anger mounts as Gaza toll rises

[hawker9000]

 

What is your answer I wonder? What do you suggest? What is the course of action that needs to be taken to achieve peace? Please specify your road-map for peace. I am seriously curios to know your answer.

Obviously, there is no simple solution. Indeed, there is no overall solution, just the enabling of a scenario which is less awful than others.

It starts with kids. When a child is born, it has no prejudices, no agenda, no religion, no fanaticism. All that becomes molded - mostly by parents, but also by a plethora of others and outside influences. If all newborns could be taken to a safe nurturing place where they could be brought up without hate-filled indoctrination, that would be a start. But alas, not remotely possible in the Middle East.

 

 

So your solution would be, if only there were some way to do it, to take all newborns away from their parents and put them in some - presumably government run - "safe place"?  If you're going to do THAT, let's just go one step better and start controlling who can & can't even HAVE children...  Don't say it can't be done; the Chinese sort of have.

 

We could call it "Popular Socialism"!

Edited August 9, 2014 by hawker9000

[Jingthing]

The road map to peace would be the Palestinians having equal rights to their Israeli cousins including the right to return.

Imagine Netnayahu giving them back the West Bank for starters including all the settlements and the new roads and infrastructure.

The next step might be Israel allowing UN inspectors in to Dimona to check out their nuclear programme to ensure Iran and others it was for electricity generation only.

To grant unconditional right of return to any Arab who wants to live in the borders of Israel would mean the end of Israel as a majority Jewish state. Israel would never agree to that, and should never agree to that. The reason Israel was founded was to be the ONLY majority Jewish state in the world. The Jews are a people with a VERY SMALL POPULATION and are not interested in conversions of others. Arabs (largely Muslim and also Christian) are in no such demographically vulnerable state and comprise of religions that actively convert. Arabs have MANY populous Arab ethnic majority states, and there are over FIFTY Islamic majority nations. 

 

Yes, ONE for Jews in Israel, a TINY one actually, that is somehow not tolerable to the world. 

That's pretty amazing, don't you think?

 

Therefore I find your "peace" suggestion transparently disingenuous. It is quite simply a plan to end Israel. I am sure Israel would respond ... you know we're not that stupid, mate.

 

This link expands more on the concept of "Palestinian"/Arab right of return:

 

[attachment=278508:765.jpg]

 

(Obviously not all the nations other than Israel in the picture are majority Arabic nations, but you get the picture)

 

http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2014/08/05/the-japanese-have-some-questions-for-palestine-supporters-and-oh-are-they-awesome/

 

Edited August 9, 2014 by Jingthing

[up-country_sinclair]

To grant unconditional right of return to any Arab who wants to live in the borders of Israel would mean the end of Israel as a majority Jewish state. Israel would never agree to that, and should never agree to that. The reason Israel was founded was to be the ONLY majority Jewish state in the world. The Jews are a people with a VERY SMALL POPULATION and are not interested in conversions of others. Arabs (largely Muslim and also Christian) are in no such demographically vulnerable state and comprise of religions that actively convert. Arabs have MANY populous Arab ethnic majority states, and there are over FIFTY Islamic majority nations. 

 

Yes, ONE for Jews in Israel, a TINY one actually, that is somehow not tolerable to the world. 

That's pretty amazing, don't you think?

 

Therefore I find your "peace" suggestion transparently disingenuous. It is quite simply a plan to end Israel. I am sure Israel would respond ... you know we're not that stupid, mate.

 

This link expands more on the concept of "Palestinian"/Arab right of return:

 

765.jpg

 

(Obviously not all the nations other than Israel in the picture are majority Arabic nations, but you get the picture)

 

http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2014/08/05/the-japanese-have-some-questions-for-palestine-supporters-and-oh-are-they-awesome/

 

 

 

 

This thread is about anger mounting as the death toll rises in Gaza.  Not a single thing in your post is related to the topic.

[Ulysses G.]

 

The road map to peace would be the Palestinians having equal rights to their Israeli cousins including the right to return.

To grant unconditional right of return to any Arab who wants to live in the borders of Israel would mean the end of Israel as a majority Jewish state.

 

Of course and that is exactly what their enemies desire. It ain't ever going to happen.

 

Now that Hamas have violated - yet another  - truce and are shooting rockets into Israel again, expect that death toll to keep rising. It is ALL on Hamas as they refuse to stop the violence and they refuse to honor their agreements. 

[ravip]

 

Israel is showing it's true colors.
Imagine the outcry if an Israeli school was blown up! This is now pathetic!
UG, JT and co, bring on your excuses! ('Terror tunnels', 'Rockets' 'wipe off map' 'only democracy' 'anti-termite' etc etc etc...)

 

No excuses, I just leave you with one thought, if Israel wasn't humanitarian in it's operations,

there will be 10,000 dead and Gaza would be flat by now, much like the Russian did to Chechnya,

the Sri Lankan to the Tamil people, and Assad doing to his own people, do I need to go on?

 

 Sri Lankan to the Tamil people

 

What absolute bull scrap!

How do you define terrorism? People you like are civilians and others are terrorists?

Do you know what terrorism did for 30 years?

Please, I beg... dont advertise your ignorance on world matters.

It would be good if YOU come today and see how things are where terror reigned before.

These are the attitudes that encourage terror in this world.

[Jingthing]

This thread is about anger mounting as the death toll rises in Gaza.  Not a single thing in your post is related to the topic.

 

Dude, I was only responding to Mr. Sata's so called plan for peace. Why are you shouting at me? I know of course ... the truthiness in my post is something you don't want broadcasted.

Edited August 9, 2014 by Jingthing

[dexterm]

 

The road map to peace would be the Palestinians having equal rights to their Israeli cousins including the right to return.

Imagine Netnayahu giving them back the West Bank for starters including all the settlements and the new roads and infrastructure.

The next step might be Israel allowing UN inspectors in to Dimona to check out their nuclear programme to ensure Iran and others it was for electricity generation only.

To grant unconditional right of return to any Arab who wants to live in the borders of Israel would mean the end of Israel as a majority Jewish state. Israel would never agree to that, and should never agree to that. The reason Israel was founded was to be the ONLY majority Jewish state in the world. The Jews are a people with a VERY SMALL POPULATION and are not interested in conversions of others. Arabs (largely Muslim and also Christian) are in no such demographically vulnerable state and comprise of religions that actively convert. Arabs have MANY populous Arab ethnic majority states, and there are over FIFTY Islamic majority nations. 

 

Yes, ONE for Jews in Israel, a TINY one actually, that is somehow not tolerable to the world. 

That's pretty amazing, don't you think?

 

Therefore I find your "peace" suggestion transparently disingenuous. It is quite simply a plan to end Israel. I am sure Israel would respond ... you know we're not that stupid, mate.

 

This link expands more on the concept of "Palestinian"/Arab right of return:

 

765.jpg

 

(Obviously not all the nations other than Israel in the picture are majority Arabic nations, but you get the picture)

 

http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2014/08/05/the-japanese-have-some-questions-for-palestine-supporters-and-oh-are-they-awesome/

 

 

 

Over time... maybe not in my lifetime.. when peace one day descends, Israel one way or another will absorb Palestinians and they will meld with the Israeli Jews to become a single state.

 

And students in 100 years time will wonder what all the fighting was actually about.

[dexterm]

 

 

The road map to peace would be the Palestinians having equal rights to their Israeli cousins including the right to return.

To grant unconditional right of return to any Arab who wants to live in the borders of Israel would mean the end of Israel as a majority Jewish state.

 

Of course and that is exactly what their enemies desire. It ain't ever going to happen.

 

 

 

The more Israel drags its heels and puts obstacles in the way (colonies expansion in West Bank, new preconditions) of a just peace agreement, the more a 2 state solution begins to look like a one state solution.

 

I think Israel is staggering blindly over to the wrong side of the history and the refuge for persecuted Jews that its founding fathers originally envisaged. 

 

[Ulysses G.]

"Israel one way or another will absorb Palestinians and they will meld with the Israeli Jews to become a single state."

 

Your imaginary scenarios get more and more absurd.  

[dexterm]

"Israel one way or another will absorb Palestinians and they will meld with the Israeli Jews to become a single state."

 

Your imaginary scenarios get more and more absurd.  

 

It's only fair...you have given me a good laugh today..I'll give you a good education. Here's a spot of Latin wisdom...the ancients knew how ephemeral empires and countries are.

 

tempora mutantur et nos mutamur in illis

 

"the times they are a changing, and we change in them"

 

tempus edax rerum

 

"time, the devourer of all things" (From Ovid, Metamorphoses, 15, 234-236.)

[Ulysses G.]

Here's one for you and for Hamas.

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.
-George S. Patton

[coma]

He some it up perfectly 

 

Founder of Hamas: why Hamas attacks Israel (Sheikh Ahmed Yassin)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4wiX9oCY44

[dexterm]

Here's one for you and for Hamas.

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.
-George S. Patton

 

Tell that to the parents of the 67 Israelis that Netanyahu has just sacrificed with less to show for their blood than if on June 12th he had treated the kidnapping of the 3 Israeli teens as a regular homicide investigation, and accepted John Kerry's efforts to negotiate a permanent peace.

[Ulysses G.]

Founder of Hamas: why Hamas attacks Israel (Sheikh Ahmed Yassin)

The Hamas charter contradicts everything that he says. Too bad he ain't around to explain that. 

[Scott]

Off-topic, inflammatory and troll posts removed along with replies.  

[boomerangutang]

What is your answer I wonder? What do you suggest? What is the course of action that needs to be taken to achieve peace? Please specify your road-map for peace. I am seriously curios to know your answer.

Obviously, there is no simple solution. Indeed, there is no overall solution, just the enabling of a scenario which is less awful than others.

It starts with kids. When a child is born, it has no prejudices, no agenda, no religion, no fanaticism. All that becomes molded - mostly by parents, but also by a plethora of others and outside influences. If all newborns could be taken to a safe nurturing place where they could be brought up without hate-filled indoctrination, that would be a start. But alas, not remotely possible in the Middle East.

 So your solution would be, if only there were some way to do it, to take all newborns away from their parents and put them in some - presumably government run - "safe place"?  If you're going to do THAT, let's just go one step better and start controlling who can & can't even HAVE children...  Don't say it can't be done; the Chinese sort of have.
We could call it "Popular Socialism"!

If you want to coin that term, go ahead. Popular Socialism might be the least crappy of all the crappy options for that region. Obviously biz-as-usual isn't working. Parents of Palestinians fill their kids' heads full of hate and vindictiveness and quixotic hopes of destroying Israel. Then, when a boy is old enough to carry a rifle, an elderly Imman will compel the boy to die for a quixotic cause.

An interesting dynamic is flaring up in the US which relates in a roundabout way to the posts above and to the problems in M.E.: Tens of thousands of Latino boys and girls are risking dire harm by sneaking in to the US. The US feels obliged to shelter them. When US gov't does anything, it always spends mucho dinero. So each kid (average age: 14) will get lawyers, shelter, food, counseling, etc. It could amount to tens of thousands of $$'s per kid. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but merely pointing out how US officialdom feels an obligation to care for those youngsters - who also come from failed states (similar to Gaza).

Now segue to the M.East. Look at the map that Jingthing posted with Arab States all around. If the map included all Muslim majority countries in that region, it would be twice as big. Do other Muslim countries take emigrants? If not, why not? Couldn't be indifference, could it?

[dr_lucas]

He some it up perfectly 

 

Founder of Hamas: why Hamas attacks Israel (Sheikh Ahmed Yassin)

 

 

 

Right. Sacred angel just like Bin Laden.

Heart (and mouth) full of love.

Actions full of hate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Yassin

Actions speak louder than words.

 

There are others much less cunning than Yassin  too, by the way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QlFG6435J0

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygbJDcOTjjw

[dr_lucas]

Since we are on the topic of Gaza death toll...

Even the traditionally anti-Israeli and Pro-Palestinian BBC had to admit that Hamas' provided casualty figures have been "inaccurate" and questions the claim that the IDF attacked "indiscriminately".

 

 

Caution needed with Gaza casualty figures

 

In the Gaza conflict, most news organisations have been quoting from the office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR), which leads a group of humanitarian organisations known as the Protection Cluster.

Its recent report said that as of 6 August, 1,843 Palestinians had been killed and 66 Israelis and one Thai national since Israel launched Operation Protective Edge on 8 July.

Of those Palestinians, the status of 279 could not be identified, at least 1,354 were civilians, including 415 children and 214 women, the UN body reported.

So there were 216 members of armed groups killed, and another 725 men who were civilians. Among civilians, more than three times as many men were killed as women, while three times as many civilian men were killed as fighters.

The UN report carries a caveat with its figures: "Data on fatalities and destruction of property is consolidated by the Protection and Shelter clusters based on preliminary information, and is subject to change based on further verifications."

There has been some research suggesting that men in general are more likely to die in conflict than women, although no typical ratio is given.

Nonetheless, if the Israeli attacks have been "indiscriminate", as the UN Human Rights Council says, it is hard to work out why they have killed so many more civilian men than women.

Matthias Behnk, from OHCHR, told BBC News that the organisation would not want to speculate about why there had been so many adult male casualties, adding that because they were having to deal with a lot of casualties in a short time, they had "focused primarily on recording the casualties".

"As such, we have not at this stage conducted a detailed analysis of trends of civilian casualties, for example in relation to the reasons why different groups are affected and the types of incidents, but hope to carry this out at some point in the coming future," he said.

"However, even in the compiling of these preliminary figures, we cross-verify between different sources, not only media and several different human rights organisations, but also use other sources, including, for example, names of alleged fighters released by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and notices by armed groups in Gaza claiming someone as a member."

A number of other news organisations have been considering the civilian-to-fighter ratio.

An analysis by the New York Times looked at the names of 1,431 casualties and found that "the population most likely to be militants, men ages 20 to 29, is also the most overrepresented in the death toll. They are 9% of Gaza's 1.7 million residents, but 34% of those killed whose ages were provided."

"At the same time, women and children under 15, the least likely to be legitimate targets, were the most underrepresented, making up 71% of the population and 33% of the known-age casualties."

The list of names and ages of the dead published by al-Jazeera also found men aged between 20 and 29 to be significantly overrepresented.

The IDF say they have killed at least 253 Hamas operatives, 147 Islamic Jihad operatives, 65 "operatives of various organisations" and 603 "operatives whose affiliation is unknown", although they also stress that this is not a final number.

Spokesman Capt Eytan Buchman told BBC News that "the UN numbers being reported are, by and by large, based on the Gaza health ministry, a Hamas-run organisation".

He said that part of the reason for the discrepancy between the figures was "when militants are brought to hospitals, they are brought in civilian clothing, obscuring terrorist affiliations".

"Hamas also has given local residents directives to obscure militant identities," he said.

"It's important to bear in mind that in Operation Cast Lead [the last Israeli ground offensive in December 2008-January 2009], Hamas and Gaza-based organisations claimed that only 50 combatants were killed, admitting years later the number was between 600-700, a figure nearly identical to the figure claimed by the IDF."

 

Full Article: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28688179

Edited August 9, 2014 by dr_lucas

[mania]

Since we are on the topic of Gaza death toll...
Even the traditionally anti-Israeli and Pro-Palestinian BBC had to admit that Hamas' provided casualty figures have been "inaccurate" and questions the claim that the IDF attacked "indiscriminately".

Well since it is 2014 we do not need bar charts or anyone's word
We see actual footage of dead or crippled men, women & children daily.
What either side says the number is irrelevant what we see is heart wrenching period. Edited August 9, 2014 by mania

[dr_lucas]

 

Since we are on the topic of Gaza death toll...
Even the traditionally anti-Israeli and Pro-Palestinian BBC had to admit that Hamas' provided casualty figures have been "inaccurate" and questions the claim that the IDF attacked "indiscriminately".

Well since it is 2014 we do not need bar charts or anyone's word
We see actual footage of dead or crippled men, women & children daily.
What either side says the number is irrelevant what we see is heart wrenching period.

 

 

Yep, facts no longer matter anymore. Only anti-Israeli bias rules! That's also some kind of mania I guess. (pun intended)

Edited August 9, 2014 by dr_lucas

[Ulysses G.]

Well since it is 2014 we do not need bar charts or anyone's word

You mean Hamas' word? They just violated numerous ceasefires that they had agreed to. Is there anyone who believes the word of Hamas?

[mania]

Yep, facts no longer matter anymore. Only anti-Israeli bias rules! That's also some kind of mania I guess. (pun intended)

Perhaps your definition of facts is different?
For me Facts= "a thing that is indisputably the case."

 

What we see is fact

As I previously said the number is irrelevant as 5-10 would be too much.

Hundreds? More? Well I think  you can guess yes?

 

Instead the JDL types would like to trivialize deaths by claiming it is only 500 not 600? etc???

Yeah no arguments here just facts

The fact I stated is what I have seen of Israel's attacks is heart wrenching

 

Play your anti-Israel card elsewhere as it is worn thin here.

When folks denounce someone like North Korea's nut job Kim Jong-un

Do you assume they hate all North Koreans? Hate the country North Korea?

Sounds silly doesn't it? Now you know how yours & others anti Israel claims/defense sounds too.

 

Edited August 9, 2014 by mania

[dr_lucas]

 

Yep, facts no longer matter anymore. Only anti-Israeli bias rules! That's also some kind of mania I guess. (pun intended)

Perhaps your definition of facts is different?
For me Facts= "a thing that is indisputably the case."

 

What we see is fact

As I previously said the number is irrelevant as 5-10 would be too much.

Hundreds? More? Well I think  you can guess yes?

 

Instead the JDL types would like to trivialize deaths by claiming it is only 500 not 600? etc???

Yeah no arguments here just facts

The fact I stated is what I have seen of Israel's attacks is heart wrenching

 

Play your anti-Israel card elsewhere as it is worn thin here.

When folks denounce someone like North Korea's nut job Kim Jong-un

Do you assume they hate all North Koreans? Hate the country North Korea?

Sounds silly doesn't it? Now you know how yours & others anti Israel claims/defense sounds too.

 

 

 

So a military operation in a condense populated & very hostile urban area, full of Hamas armed guerrilla militants, hidden rockets, bombs & civilians used as human shields supposed to have less than 5-10 casualties?

Wow. How about no casualties at all?

 

Your analogy is severely flawed. 

Since North Korea is not compared with another country or nation, just have its regime/government/army being denounced for its atrocities on its own innocent civilians (not suicide bombers or any terrorists), I assume that indeed these folks hate the NK regime/government/army. Of course not the people.

 

In Israel's case, it's being compared with another "nation", and the criticism for its self-defense actions to protect its own residents from ongoing terror attacks is far from being balanced. 

I wonder how would Russia, Turkey or Syria react to such terror attacks on their lands and how would the world respond to them. Oh, wait! These already happened/happening.

Did you also post your thoughts on those threads? Or is your deep sympathy and "progressive" opinion is reserved only to pity the poor Hamas terrorists and condemnation of Israel's self-defense actions?

[uptheos]

 

Well since it is 2014 we do not need bar charts or anyone's word

You mean Hamas' word? They just violated numerous ceasefires that they had agreed to. Is there anyone who believes the word of Hamas?

 

 

You can't make a peace treaty with Hamas, they are pure evil and will break every single one, no question about it.

They have to be totally eradicated, by any means.

[Mossfinn]

 

 

Well since it is 2014 we do not need bar charts or anyone's word

You mean Hamas' word? They just violated numerous ceasefires that they had agreed to. Is there anyone who believes the word of Hamas?

 

 

You can't make a peace treaty with Hamas, they are pure evil and will break every single one, no question about it.

They have to be totally eradicated, by any means.

 

Oh dear...............

 

Similarities between

Jomo Kenyatta

Menachem Begin

George Washington

Eamon De Valera

Nelson Mandela

 

[mania]

So a military operation in a condense populated & very hostile urban area, full of Hamas armed guerrilla militants, hidden rockets, bombs & civilians used as human shields supposed to have less than 5-10 casualties?
Wow. How about no casualties at all?

Surely you jest?
One who plays a Dr. on TV would have better reading comprehension than you pretend not to have.
My post was quite simple.
If you need to twist it into yet another diversion of topic I will leave you to it.

[sirineou]

 

 

Noam Chomsky ... "a Jew himself" ... now that settles it! 

No it does not,If it settles anything is only that he is a Jew,

but it does illustrate that there are opposing views to yours in both sides of the divide, and that not all Jews are of the same mindset.

I am really disappointed in you Jingthing, as a member of an oppressed minority , I would think you would be a little more sympathetic toward an other, but I guess, at the very least, one good thing come out of it, your attitude serves to illustrate that gay people are just like every one else.  Some good , some bad, some smart some stupid, some compassionate,others not, in an other word, just human.

 

Your logic is flawed.

 

Gay people are supposed to support a radical Islamist Jihadist terror organization that:

 

treats its women as chattel

murders its gay people

is dedicated to a genocidal agenda against Jews

murders any internal dissenters

uses it's own children as human shields knowing they will be killed when they launch rockets. for purposes of getting pictures to use for international propaganda

 

Not quite, dude.

 

You continue to disappoint me

I would think that you at least would know the danger of engaging in generalizations about people.

Any people

and would know that as all Gays are not alike, so not all Muslims are alike.

and frankly your assertion that for some (faulty) reasoning  they deserve what they get, is, to say the very least.

disgusting.

Dude

Edited August 10, 2014 by sirineou

[Kalebiran]

 

 

Noam Chomsky ... "a Jew himself" ... now that settles it! 

No it does not,If it settles anything is only that he is a Jew,
but it does illustrate that there are opposing views to yours in both sides of the divide, and that not all Jews are of the same mindset.
I am really disappointed in you Jingthing, as a member of an oppressed minority , I would think you would be a little more sympathetic toward an other, but I guess, at the very least, one good thing come out of it, your attitude serves to illustrate that gay people are just like every one else.  Some good , some bad, some smart some stupid, some compassionate,others not, in an other word, just human.
 

Your logic is flawed.
 
Gay people are supposed to support a radical Islamist Jihadist terror organization that:
 
treats its women as chattel
murders its gay people
is dedicated to a genocidal agenda against Jews
murders any internal dissenters
uses it's own children as human shields knowing they will be killed when they launch rockets. for purposes of getting pictures to use for international propaganda
 
Not quite, dude.
 

You continue to disappoint me
I would think that you at least would know the danger of engaging in generalizations about people.
Any people
and would know that as all Gays are not alike, so not all Muslims are alike.
and frankly your assertion that for some (faulty) reasoning  they deserve what they get, is, to say the very least.
disgusting.
Dude

of course Some of the posters supporting Israel's murdering acts are quite disgusting.

[Jingthing]

[quote name="Kalebiran" post="8225452" timestamp="1407674397"][quote name="sirineou" post="8225427" timestamp="1407673823"][quote name="Jingthing" post="8213903" timestamp="1407457268"] [quote name="sirineou" post="8213797" timestamp="1407454458"] [quote name="Jingthing" post="8211707" timestamp="1407405423"]Noam Chomsky ... "a Jew himself" ... now that settles it! [/quote]No it does not,If it settles anything is only that he is a Jew,
but it does illustrate that there are opposing views to yours in both sides of the divide, and that not all Jews are of the same mindset.
I am really disappointed in you Jingthing, as a member of an oppressed minority , I would think you would be a little more sympathetic toward an other, but I guess, at the very least, one good thing come out of it, your attitude serves to illustrate that gay people are just like every one else.  Some good , some bad, some smart some stupid, some compassionate,others not, in an other word, just human.
 [/quote]Your logic is flawed.
 
Gay people are supposed to support a radical Islamist Jihadist terror organization that:
 
treats its women as chattel
murders its gay people
is dedicated to a genocidal agenda against Jews
murders any internal dissenters
uses it's own children as human shields knowing they will be killed when they launch rockets. for purposes of getting pictures to use for international propaganda
 
Not quite, dude.
 [/quote]You continue to disappoint me
I would think that you at least would know the danger of engaging in generalizations about people.
Any people
and would know that as all Gays are not alike, so not all Muslims are alike.
and frankly your assertion that for some (faulty) reasoning  they deserve what they get, is, to say the very least.
disgusting.
Dude[/quote]of course Some of the posters supporting Israel's murdering acts are quite disgusting.[/quote]Not supporting murder. Please stop demonizing people who support Israel's right to defend itself against radical Islamist Jihadists.

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[Jingthing]

 

 

Noam Chomsky ... "a Jew himself" ... now that settles it! 

No it does not,If it settles anything is only that he is a Jew,
but it does illustrate that there are opposing views to yours in both sides of the divide, and that not all Jews are of the same mindset.
I am really disappointed in you Jingthing, as a member of an oppressed minority , I would think you would be a little more sympathetic toward an other, but I guess, at the very least, one good thing come out of it, your attitude serves to illustrate that gay people are just like every one else.  Some good , some bad, some smart some stupid, some compassionate,others not, in an other word, just human.
 

Your logic is flawed.
 
Gay people are supposed to support a radical Islamist Jihadist terror organization that:
 
treats its women as chattel
murders its gay people
is dedicated to a genocidal agenda against Jews
murders any internal dissenters
uses it's own children as human shields knowing they will be killed when they launch rockets. for purposes of getting pictures to use for international propaganda
 
Not quite, dude.
 

You continue to disappoint me
I would think that you at least would know the danger of engaging in generalizations about people.
Any people
and would know that as all Gays are not alike, so not all Muslims are alike.
and frankly your assertion that for some (faulty) reasoning  they deserve what they get, is, to say the very least.
disgusting.
Dude

That was a blatant distortion of my post. Please stop with the personal baiting. Of course I have never said that all Muslims are alike.

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