Michael Brown killing: State police take over riot-hit US town

[chuckd]

Wonder what all those reliable witnesses are saying about Brown's scuffle with Officer Wilson over his weapon in the patrol car?

Anybody have any input on that?

Haven't seen a word on that in the MSM for the past few weeks. Not even a good rumor from insider sources.

[DisparateDan]

Having viewed the behavior in the store..I would have shot him.

[Publicus]

Wonder what all those reliable witnesses are saying about Brown's scuffle with Officer Wilson over his weapon in the patrol car?

Anybody have any input on that?

Haven't seen a word on that in the MSM for the past few weeks. Not even a good rumor from insider sources.

The links in the posts I've made that have eye witness accounts of the footrace and shooting homicide also point out the eye witnesses were eye witnesses to the actual shooting only.

Some of the eye witnesses say they saw the scuffle at the car only after it was underway but didn't see a shooter to connect to the one shot reported to have occurred there. Other eye witnesses said they didn't see the reported struggle, that they saw the event from the moment Brown started running with Wilson taking off after him.

Ferguson PD isn't saying anything about anything and neither is DoJ or anyone else such as the DA and his office. It appears three people know the origin of what pretty much has been established to have been a struggle between Wilson and Brown - those two and Brown's friend Dorian Johnson. Posts here have presented Johnson's statement that Wilson initiated the scuffle, reached for his gun, discharged it, which sounds consistent with Wilson's (obvious homicidal) temperament.

The FPD Incident Report, available to the public under state "sunshine laws," remains illegally redacted in the Incident Report section of the Report. As discussed earlier in the thread, this supports a belief Wilson has taken the 5th against self-incrimination. I'd say Wilson doesn't have to take the 5th, FPD are protecting him from the public. If Wilson is indicted, all he has to do is tell his story and wait for the prosecution to finish going through the motions of pretending to present a case.

[CMNightRider]

Wonder what all those reliable witnesses are saying about Brown's scuffle with Officer Wilson over his weapon in the patrol car?

Anybody have any input on that?

Haven't seen a word on that in the MSM for the past few weeks. Not even a good rumor from insider sources.

The links in the posts I've made that have eye witness accounts of the footrace and shooting homicide also point out the eye witnesses were eye witnesses to the actual shooting only.

Some of the eye witnesses say they saw the scuffle at the car only after it was underway but didn't see a shooter to connect to the one shot reported to have occurred there. Other eye witnesses said they didn't see the reported struggle, that they saw the event from the moment Brown started running with Wilson taking off after him.

Ferguson PD isn't saying anything about anything and neither is DoJ or anyone else such as the DA and his office. It appears three people know the origin of what pretty much has been established to have been a struggle between Wilson and Brown - those two and Brown's friend Dorian Johnson. Posts here have presented Johnson's statement that Wilson initiated the scuffle, reached for his gun, discharged it, which sounds consistent with Wilson's (obvious homicidal) temperament.

The FPD Incident Report, available to the public under state "sunshine laws," remains illegally redacted in the Incident Report section of the Report. As discussed earlier in the thread, this supports a belief Wilson has taken the 5th against self-incrimination. I'd say Wilson doesn't have to take the 5th, FPD are protecting him from the public. If Wilson is indicted, all he has to do is tell his story and wait for the prosecution to finish going through the motions of pretending to present a case.

Great reporting Publicus. I enjoyed the updated hourly report. It is so refreshing to have a former federal investigator, and journalist, with inside Washington, and law enforcement contacts, feeding you this updated information. I liked the cartoons you posted, depicting fat police officers shooting at man targets with their arms up. The cartoon showing a naked man with a gun to his head, shooting himself was a nice touch too, not to mention the cartoon of Uncle Sam, gaging on a gas canister thrown from the police. It's interesting how liberal, leftists, have such distain for law enforcement.

[chuckd]

Wonder what all those reliable witnesses are saying about Brown's scuffle with Officer Wilson over his weapon in the patrol car?

Anybody have any input on that?

Haven't seen a word on that in the MSM for the past few weeks. Not even a good rumor from insider sources.

The links in the posts I've made that have eye witness accounts of the footrace and shooting homicide also point out the eye witnesses were eye witnesses to the actual shooting only.

Some of the eye witnesses say they saw the scuffle at the car only after it was underway but didn't see a shooter to connect to the one shot reported to have occurred there. Other eye witnesses said they didn't see the reported struggle, that they saw the event from the moment Brown started running with Wilson taking off after him.

Ferguson PD isn't saying anything about anything and neither is DoJ or anyone else such as the DA and his office. It appears three people know the origin of what pretty much has been established to have been a struggle between Wilson and Brown - those two and Brown's friend Dorian Johnson. Posts here have presented Johnson's statement that Wilson initiated the scuffle, reached for his gun, discharged it, which sounds consistent with Wilson's (obvious homicidal) temperament.

The FPD Incident Report, available to the public under state "sunshine laws," remains illegally redacted in the Incident Report section of the Report. As discussed earlier in the thread, this supports a belief Wilson has taken the 5th against self-incrimination. I'd say Wilson doesn't have to take the 5th, FPD are protecting him from the public. If Wilson is indicted, all he has to do is tell his story and wait for the prosecution to finish going through the motions of pretending to present a case.

Didn't you claim to have all these inside sources for information?

Come on, Publicus, share the wealth with us. Let us know what is really going on.

You just keep regurgitating the same old stuff. We need some fresh meat for this thread...at least until the Grand Jury or Holder's kangaroo court comes up with something.

[F430murci]

Pub says:

"And my time as a federal investigator enforcing civil rights laws means my former colleagues do keep me advised of cases such as the instant one contained in this thread."

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Sorry, cannot help laugh out loud. The dearth of knowledge and insight regarding laws and enforcement of laws possessed by this individual . . , oh well, you get the point.

It just proves that you can pretend to be anything that you want on the Internet.

Awesome, so if I stick a large bottle rocket up my arse I can be an assstronaut.

[Publicus]

The police brotherhood in Ferguson and in St Louis county might be behaving more like the muslim brotherhood, which is why they are in the soup as the target of a Department of Justice civil rights investigation for suspected unconstitutional patterns or practices of race prejudice and/or discrimination, to include unlawful violence against individual citizens and against certain groups of citizens who are by law members of a protected class in the society.

The roughshod radical right in the U.S. has a huge and well financed mass media on its side and a few hit and run lawyers besides, but Michael Brown and the DoJ have, in Brown's case, the protection of the laws on his side, however belatedly, and, in the instance of the DoJ, lawyers who attend to the constitution and the laws faithfully and without reservation or purpose of evasion. That didn't do Brown much good in the instant case but then in protecting and preserving the safety and the life of each individual citizen, faithfully serving the constitution is necessarily an involved and time consuming process.

The first link points out how in the aftermath of the homicide of Michael Brown the FPD has been violating its own policies, Missouri state law and the US constitution as inquiries based on state "sunshine laws" are thwarted or the department prevaricates in the face of a broad and deep public scrutiny. The second link discusses how a six-foot-four "gentle giant" person such as Michael Brown has a bull's eye placed on his back by some certain police in the U.S.

So now the Ferguson police department has an X on it.

Ferguson’s massive cover-up: How police departments are protecting Michael Brown’s killer Basic evidence is being kept from the public. And investigators aren't showing proper zeal to figure out the truth

A man is arrested as police try to disperse a crowd during protests in Ferguson, Mo., Aug. 20, 2014. (Credit: AP/Jeff Roberson)

Are the police departments of Ferguson and St. Louis County, Missouri, involved in a conspiracy to obstruct justice in the case of Michael Brown’s murder?

It seems disturbingly possible, given their actions over the past month, hiding basic evidentiary information from the public in direct violation of the state’s sunshine laws—and perhaps not even gathering it in the first place.

This raises the further possibly that evidence is being hidden from criminal investigators as well, particularly since the investigators have shown no great interest, much less zeal, in getting to the truth of the matter

http://www.salon.com/2014/09/14/fergusons_massive_cover_up_how_police_departments_are_protecting_michael_browns_killer/

Why Did Michael Brown Die in Ferguson?

It cannot, or must not, be easier for the police to shoot at an eighteen-year-old who is running—away from the officer, not toward him—with his empty hands showing, than to chase him, drive after him, do anything other than kill him. Teen-agers may not always be prudent; there is no death penalty for that, or shouldn’t be.

Michael Brown was black and tall; was it his body that the police officer thought was dangerous enough? Perhaps it was enough for the officer that he lived on a certain block in a certain neighborhood; shooting down the street, after all, exhibits a certain lack of concern about anyone else who might be walking by. That sort of calculus raises questions about an entire community’s rights

http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/michael-brown-die-ferguson

You are still spouting the self evident lie that Brown was shot while running away, so, unless you can prove he was running backwards, or the police are using magic bullets that go past a running person and turn around to hit him in the front, where all the bullets that hit Brown are, please stop saying that.

Did my reply above to your post above it help you out? Or did it only clarify to you that you have no clue?

In this post I invite you to clarify that your albeit creative assertion is completely wrong, entirely wrong, a fantastic fantasy.

It is self evident that your post is a classic of TVF World News far out right wingnut fiction.

[Publicus]

Wonder what all those reliable witnesses are saying about Brown's scuffle with Officer Wilson over his weapon in the patrol car?

Anybody have any input on that?

Haven't seen a word on that in the MSM for the past few weeks. Not even a good rumor from insider sources.

The links in the posts I've made that have eye witness accounts of the footrace and shooting homicide also point out the eye witnesses were eye witnesses to the actual shooting only.

Some of the eye witnesses say they saw the scuffle at the car only after it was underway but didn't see a shooter to connect to the one shot reported to have occurred there. Other eye witnesses said they didn't see the reported struggle, that they saw the event from the moment Brown started running with Wilson taking off after him.

Ferguson PD isn't saying anything about anything and neither is DoJ or anyone else such as the DA and his office. It appears three people know the origin of what pretty much has been established to have been a struggle between Wilson and Brown - those two and Brown's friend Dorian Johnson. Posts here have presented Johnson's statement that Wilson initiated the scuffle, reached for his gun, discharged it, which sounds consistent with Wilson's (obvious homicidal) temperament.

The FPD Incident Report, available to the public under state "sunshine laws," remains illegally redacted in the Incident Report section of the Report. As discussed earlier in the thread, this supports a belief Wilson has taken the 5th against self-incrimination. I'd say Wilson doesn't have to take the 5th, FPD are protecting him from the public. If Wilson is indicted, all he has to do is tell his story and wait for the prosecution to finish going through the motions of pretending to present a case.

Great reporting Publicus. I enjoyed the updated hourly report. It is so refreshing to have a former federal investigator, and journalist, with inside Washington, and law enforcement contacts, feeding you this updated information. I liked the cartoons you posted, depicting fat police officers shooting at man targets with their arms up. The cartoon showing a naked man with a gun to his head, shooting himself was a nice touch too, not to mention the cartoon of Uncle Sam, gaging on a gas canister thrown from the police. It's interesting how liberal, leftists, have such distain for law enforcement.

"After reading the added New Yorker magazine article you posted, it almost made me vomit."

As 'almost' only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes I'm cheered to continue the welcomed challenge. .

You erroneously present constitutionalism and pursuit of the rule of law as some sort of "liberal leftist" peculiar "distain" of, well, constitutionalism and pursuit of the rule of law. You sound very confused. Too confused to be a legitimate philosophical conservative. Extreme fringe tea party right wingnut is more like it.

You say you "almost" barfed up after you read the New Yorker article, yet you haven't said anything about this one which was the main article presented in the post. Care to cough up on this one too? Any reaction or response to the presentations of a cover up? Can you deal with the central issues?

Ferguson’s massive cover-up: How police departments are protecting Michael Brown’s killer

Basic evidence is being kept from the public. And investigators aren't showing proper zeal to figure out the truth

Are the police departments of Ferguson and St. Louis County, Missouri, involved in a conspiracy to obstruct justice in the case of Michael Brown’s murder?

It seems disturbingly possible, given their actions over the past month, hiding basic evidentiary information from the public in direct violation of the state’s sunshine laws—and perhaps not even gathering it in the first place.

This raises the further possibly that evidence is being hidden from criminal investigators as well, particularly since the investigators have shown no great interest, much less zeal, in getting to the truth of the matter

http://www.salon.com..._browns_killer/

Even if you don't like to discuss the alleged FPD cover up, there is Dorian Johnson's statement on video made only a few hours after Wilson shot Mike Brown to death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g5JsaY0UfM#t=18 .

I don't necessarily subscribe to statements by the video narrator in the final moments of the video, but the video has great value because it presents the statement of the only known eye witness to the Wilson-Brown scuffle, Dorian Johnson in his own words, as Johnson presents facts about how the scuffle began, the gunshot that occurred during the scuffle, who pulled the handgun, how the gunshot occurred, and that Brown was hit in his front body by the gunshot, immediately after which Brown began to run away from Wilson.

Dorian Johnson was right there, so his statement has a high priority in considering what the facts of the incident may well be. Wilson does of course continue to be holed up to remain publicly silent while the details he supposedly provided in the public Incident Report remain illegally redacted - perhaps for constitutional reasons or perhaps not - and nonetheless unlawfully unreported to the public while also violating Ferguson PD policy and procedures concerning the reporting of incidents.

Your statements about this are most welcome.

Whaddaya say there my friend?

[Publicus]

Pub says:

"And my time as a federal investigator enforcing civil rights laws means my former colleagues do keep me advised of cases such as the instant one contained in this thread."

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Sorry, cannot help laugh out loud. The dearth of knowledge and insight regarding laws and enforcement of laws possessed by this individual . . , oh well, you get the point.

It just proves that you can pretend to be anything that you want on the Internet.

Awesome, so if I stick a large bottle rocket up my arse I can be an assstronaut.

And you could continue to make vacuous and strangely thought up hit and run troll posts.

I nonetheless read that the Ferguson PD is represented in the instant case by a private lawyer who advised a Ferguson citizens group seeking a FPD document that the document is unavailable to them for the absurd and illegitimate 'reason' it is in Washington being reviewed by the Justice Department Civil Rights Division.

Specifically, Sunshine law specialist Charlie Grapski of Florida, who is a leader of the Ferguson citizens' campaign to penetrate the FPD stonewalling, received a response from Stephanie Karr, a private attorney who doubles as Ferguson’s city attorney, that stated in part:

"Please be advised that it will take longer than three (3) days [the legal maximum] to process the request. The Department of Justice is currently reviewing those same records and they will not be available for City officials to retrieve, review and copy them until sometime later. The Justice Department has not provided a date by which their review of those records will be complete."

To which Grapski responded the same day: “The DOJ reviewing of those records should not prevent your compliance with the state’s Sunshine laws. Your responsibilities remain — and you need to get a COPY of the records from the DOJ to be in compliance with MO law.”

http://www.salon.com..._browns_killer/

http://article.wn.com/view/2014/08/29/Michael_Brown_shooting_Ferguson_residents_suing_police_for_4/

Yes, vacuous.

Grapski also notes of Wilson's silence that.....

A Fifth Amendment claim would also create a public record, which does not exist:

f an officer does invoke their fifth amendment right, they must do so explicitly and formally. Thus if such an invocation of the right against providing self-incriminating testimony occurred on the part of Officer Wilson there would, again, have to be a public record to this effect. So I made that request of the Ferguson Police Department. In their response, that there was no such record, they have thus answered the question: No, Wilson has not invoked the fifth amendment.

http://www.salon.com..._browns_killer/

Edited by Publicus for spacing.

Edited September 16, 2014 by Publicus

[Publicus]

Wonder what all those reliable witnesses are saying about Brown's scuffle with Officer Wilson over his weapon in the patrol car?

Anybody have any input on that?

Haven't seen a word on that in the MSM for the past few weeks. Not even a good rumor from insider sources.

The links in the posts I've made that have eye witness accounts of the footrace and shooting homicide also point out the eye witnesses were eye witnesses to the actual shooting only.

Some of the eye witnesses say they saw the scuffle at the car only after it was underway but didn't see a shooter to connect to the one shot reported to have occurred there. Other eye witnesses said they didn't see the reported struggle, that they saw the event from the moment Brown started running with Wilson taking off after him.

Ferguson PD isn't saying anything about anything and neither is DoJ or anyone else such as the DA and his office. It appears three people know the origin of what pretty much has been established to have been a struggle between Wilson and Brown - those two and Brown's friend Dorian Johnson. Posts here have presented Johnson's statement that Wilson initiated the scuffle, reached for his gun, discharged it, which sounds consistent with Wilson's (obvious homicidal) temperament.

The FPD Incident Report, available to the public under state "sunshine laws," remains illegally redacted in the Incident Report section of the Report. As discussed earlier in the thread, this supports a belief Wilson has taken the 5th against self-incrimination. I'd say Wilson doesn't have to take the 5th, FPD are protecting him from the public. If Wilson is indicted, all he has to do is tell his story and wait for the prosecution to finish going through the motions of pretending to present a case.

Didn't you claim to have all these inside sources for information?

Come on, Publicus, share the wealth with us. Let us know what is really going on.

You just keep regurgitating the same old stuff. We need some fresh meat for this thread...at least until the Grand Jury or Holder's kangaroo court comes up with something.

Here's a buffet for you officer so take your pick.....

http://www.dailykos.com/blog/Charlie%20Grapski/

[CMNightRider]

Wonder what all those reliable witnesses are saying about Brown's scuffle with Officer Wilson over his weapon in the patrol car?

Anybody have any input on that?

Haven't seen a word on that in the MSM for the past few weeks. Not even a good rumor from insider sources.

The links in the posts I've made that have eye witness accounts of the footrace and shooting homicide also point out the eye witnesses were eye witnesses to the actual shooting only.

Some of the eye witnesses say they saw the scuffle at the car only after it was underway but didn't see a shooter to connect to the one shot reported to have occurred there. Other eye witnesses said they didn't see the reported struggle, that they saw the event from the moment Brown started running with Wilson taking off after him.

Ferguson PD isn't saying anything about anything and neither is DoJ or anyone else such as the DA and his office. It appears three people know the origin of what pretty much has been established to have been a struggle between Wilson and Brown - those two and Brown's friend Dorian Johnson. Posts here have presented Johnson's statement that Wilson initiated the scuffle, reached for his gun, discharged it, which sounds consistent with Wilson's (obvious homicidal) temperament.

The FPD Incident Report, available to the public under state "sunshine laws," remains illegally redacted in the Incident Report section of the Report. As discussed earlier in the thread, this supports a belief Wilson has taken the 5th against self-incrimination. I'd say Wilson doesn't have to take the 5th, FPD are protecting him from the public. If Wilson is indicted, all he has to do is tell his story and wait for the prosecution to finish going through the motions of pretending to present a case.

Great reporting Publicus. I enjoyed the updated hourly report. It is so refreshing to have a former federal investigator, and journalist, with inside Washington, and law enforcement contacts, feeding you this updated information. I liked the cartoons you posted, depicting fat police officers shooting at man targets with their arms up. The cartoon showing a naked man with a gun to his head, shooting himself was a nice touch too, not to mention the cartoon of Uncle Sam, gaging on a gas canister thrown from the police. It's interesting how liberal, leftists, have such distain for law enforcement.

"After reading the added New Yorker magazine article you posted, it almost made me vomit."

As 'almost' only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes I'm cheered to continue the welcomed challenge. .

You erroneously present constitutionalism and pursuit of the rule of law as some sort of "liberal leftist" peculiar "distain" of, well, constitutionalism and pursuit of the rule of law. You sound very confused. Too confused to be a legitimate philosophical conservative. Extreme fringe tea party right wingnut is more like it.

You say you "almost" barfed up after you read the New Yorker article, yet you haven't said anything about this one which was the main article presented in the post. Care to cough up on this one too? Any reaction or response to the presentations of a cover up? Can you deal with the central issues?

Ferguson’s massive cover-up: How police departments are protecting Michael Brown’s killer

Basic evidence is being kept from the public. And investigators aren't showing proper zeal to figure out the truth

Are the police departments of Ferguson and St. Louis County, Missouri, involved in a conspiracy to obstruct justice in the case of Michael Brown’s murder?

It seems disturbingly possible, given their actions over the past month, hiding basic evidentiary information from the public in direct violation of the state’s sunshine laws—and perhaps not even gathering it in the first place.

This raises the further possibly that evidence is being hidden from criminal investigators as well, particularly since the investigators have shown no great interest, much less zeal, in getting to the truth of the matter

http://www.salon.com..._browns_killer/

Even if you don't like to discuss the alleged FPD cover up, there is Dorian Johnson's statement on video made only a few hours after Wilson shot Mike Brown to death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g5JsaY0UfM#t=18 .

I don't necessarily subscribe to statements by the video narrator in the final moments of the video, but the video has great value because it presents the statement of the only known eye witness to the Wilson-Brown scuffle, Dorian Johnson in his own words, as Johnson presents facts about how the scuffle began, the gunshot that occurred during the scuffle, who pulled the handgun, how the gunshot occurred, and that Brown was hit in his front body by the gunshot, immediately after which Brown began to run away from Wilson.

Dorian Johnson was right there, so his statement has a high priority in considering what the facts of the incident may well be. Wilson does of course continue to be holed up to remain publicly silent while the details he supposedly provided in the public Incident Report remain illegally redacted - perhaps for constitutional reasons or perhaps not - and nonetheless unlawfully unreported to the public while also violating Ferguson PD policy and procedures concerning the reporting of incidents.

Your statements about this are most welcome.

Whaddaya say there my friend?

Common sense would tell you the Ferguson Police Department, is not attempting to cover up anything. This department has the FBI, breathing down their neck, along with Obama, and even his legion of race baiters. Rub those sleepy little eyes Publicus and wake up or better yet, grow up.

[Publicus]

"After reading the added New Yorker magazine article you posted, it almost made me vomit."

As 'almost' only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes I'm cheered to continue the welcomed challenge. .

You erroneously present constitutionalism and pursuit of the rule of law as some sort of "liberal leftist" peculiar "distain" of, well, constitutionalism and pursuit of the rule of law. You sound very confused. Too confused to be a legitimate philosophical conservative. Extreme fringe tea party right wingnut is more like it.

You say you "almost" barfed up after you read the New Yorker article, yet you haven't said anything about this one which was the main article presented in the post. Care to cough up on this one too? Any reaction or response to the presentations of a cover up? Can you deal with the central issues?

Ferguson’s massive cover-up: How police departments are protecting Michael Brown’s killer

Basic evidence is being kept from the public. And investigators aren't showing proper zeal to figure out the truth

Are the police departments of Ferguson and St. Louis County, Missouri, involved in a conspiracy to obstruct justice in the case of Michael Brown’s murder?

It seems disturbingly possible, given their actions over the past month, hiding basic evidentiary information from the public in direct violation of the state’s sunshine laws—and perhaps not even gathering it in the first place.

This raises the further possibly that evidence is being hidden from criminal investigators as well, particularly since the investigators have shown no great interest, much less zeal, in getting to the truth of the matter

http://www.salon.com..._browns_killer/

Even if you don't like to discuss the alleged FPD cover up, there is Dorian Johnson's statement on video made only a few hours after Wilson shot Mike Brown to death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g5JsaY0UfM#t=18 .

I don't necessarily subscribe to statements by the video narrator in the final moments of the video, but the video has great value because it presents the statement of the only known eye witness to the Wilson-Brown scuffle, Dorian Johnson in his own words, as Johnson presents facts about how the scuffle began, the gunshot that occurred during the scuffle, who pulled the handgun, how the gunshot occurred, and that Brown was hit in his front body by the gunshot, immediately after which Brown began to run away from Wilson.

Dorian Johnson was right there, so his statement has a high priority in considering what the facts of the incident may well be. Wilson does of course continue to be holed up to remain publicly silent while the details he supposedly provided in the public Incident Report remain illegally redacted - perhaps for constitutional reasons or perhaps not - and nonetheless unlawfully unreported to the public while also violating Ferguson PD policy and procedures concerning the reporting of incidents.

Your statements about this are most welcome.

Whaddaya say there my friend?

Common sense would tell you the Ferguson Police Department, is not attempting to cover up anything. This department has the FBI, breathing down their neck, along with Obama, and even his legion of race baiters. Rub those sleepy little eyes Publicus and wake up or better yet, grow up.

Rub those sleepy little eyes Publicus and wake up or better yet, grow up.

You keep trying to address someone as if he were 14 years old and you're going to continue to burn your own arse as in the FPD editorial cartoon big .

You can't deal with the issues in specific terms. You can't present or deal with an argument. You just can't ever get it up to rebut or advance points of discourse. So you try to scold and dismiss rather than debate, engage.

Good thing posting here is a privilege. Imagine the horror if it had to be earned.

[CMNightRider]

"After reading the added New Yorker magazine article you posted, it almost made me vomit."

As 'almost' only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes I'm cheered to continue the welcomed challenge. .

You erroneously present constitutionalism and pursuit of the rule of law as some sort of "liberal leftist" peculiar "distain" of, well, constitutionalism and pursuit of the rule of law. You sound very confused. Too confused to be a legitimate philosophical conservative. Extreme fringe tea party right wingnut is more like it.

You say you "almost" barfed up after you read the New Yorker article, yet you haven't said anything about this one which was the main article presented in the post. Care to cough up on this one too? Any reaction or response to the presentations of a cover up? Can you deal with the central issues?

Ferguson’s massive cover-up: How police departments are protecting Michael Brown’s killer

Basic evidence is being kept from the public. And investigators aren't showing proper zeal to figure out the truth

Are the police departments of Ferguson and St. Louis County, Missouri, involved in a conspiracy to obstruct justice in the case of Michael Brown’s murder?

It seems disturbingly possible, given their actions over the past month, hiding basic evidentiary information from the public in direct violation of the state’s sunshine laws—and perhaps not even gathering it in the first place.

This raises the further possibly that evidence is being hidden from criminal investigators as well, particularly since the investigators have shown no great interest, much less zeal, in getting to the truth of the matter

http://www.salon.com..._browns_killer/

Even if you don't like to discuss the alleged FPD cover up, there is Dorian Johnson's statement on video made only a few hours after Wilson shot Mike Brown to death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g5JsaY0UfM#t=18 .

I don't necessarily subscribe to statements by the video narrator in the final moments of the video, but the video has great value because it presents the statement of the only known eye witness to the Wilson-Brown scuffle, Dorian Johnson in his own words, as Johnson presents facts about how the scuffle began, the gunshot that occurred during the scuffle, who pulled the handgun, how the gunshot occurred, and that Brown was hit in his front body by the gunshot, immediately after which Brown began to run away from Wilson.

Dorian Johnson was right there, so his statement has a high priority in considering what the facts of the incident may well be. Wilson does of course continue to be holed up to remain publicly silent while the details he supposedly provided in the public Incident Report remain illegally redacted - perhaps for constitutional reasons or perhaps not - and nonetheless unlawfully unreported to the public while also violating Ferguson PD policy and procedures concerning the reporting of incidents.

Your statements about this are most welcome.

Whaddaya say there my friend?

Common sense would tell you the Ferguson Police Department, is not attempting to cover up anything. This department has the FBI, breathing down their neck, along with Obama, and even his legion of race baiters. Rub those sleepy little eyes Publicus and wake up or better yet, grow up.

Rub those sleepy little eyes Publicus and wake up or better yet, grow up.

You keep trying to address someone as if he were 14 years old and you're going to continue to burn your own arse as in the FPD editorial cartoon big .

You can't deal with the issues in specific terms. You can't present or deal with an argument. You just can't ever get it up to rebut or advance points of discourse. So you try to scold and dismiss rather than debate, engage.

Good thing posting here is a privilege. Imagine the horror if it had to be earned.

If you don't want to be addressed as a 14 year old, then maybe it may be time for you to act like an adult. You keep implying The Ferguson Police Department, is involved in a cover-up in an effort to protect Officer Wilson. Common sense would tell anyone of normal intellect, this can't possibly be true, and especially a person who claims to have been a federal investigator. When the FBI launches an investigation or in this case a witch hunt targeting the Ferguson Police Department, and one of their police officers, the FBI, will stop at nothing to uncover wrong doing. There is no police department in America, that is going to lie for one of their police officers, who did something so stupid, that it not only attracted the attention of every news organisation in the world, but even managed to wake Obama, out of his stupor.

While we are on the subject of common sense, portraying yourself as a former journalist, when it is difficult for you to express yourself in writing is not very believable. In fact, I would go as far to suggest, if you were ever hung for being a journalist, you would die an innocent man. The federal investigator claim is actually believable, because I have dealt with some of those people that can barely write a coherent incident report.

If Officer Wilson had gunned downed this big dufus like the liberal news media have suggested, the Ferguson Police Chief, would have distanced himself from Wilson, as if Wilson had the plague. There has to be a reasonable explanation why Officer Wilson felt it necessary to shoot Brown, other than he took it on his own to execute someone in broad daylight in front of an entire neighbourhood. The Ferguson Grand Jury, should be able to come up with what really happened that afternoon, and believe me, if Wilson lied or did any wrong doing what so ever, he will pay a heavy price.

[Publicus]

Common sense would tell you the Ferguson Police Department, is not attempting to cover up anything. This department has the FBI, breathing down their neck, along with Obama, and even his legion of race baiters. Rub those sleepy little eyes Publicus and wake up or better yet, grow up.

Rub those sleepy little eyes Publicus and wake up or better yet, grow up.

You keep trying to address someone as if he were 14 years old and you're going to continue to burn your own arse as in the FPD editorial cartoon big .

You can't deal with the issues in specific terms. You can't present or deal with an argument. You just can't ever get it up to rebut or advance points of discourse. So you try to scold and dismiss rather than debate, engage.

Good thing posting here is a privilege. Imagine the horror if it had to be earned.

If you don't want to be addressed as a 14 year old, then maybe it may be time for you to act like an adult. You keep implying The Ferguson Police Department, is involved in a cover-up in an effort to protect Officer Wilson. Common sense would tell anyone of normal intellect, this can't possibly be true, and especially a person who claims to have been a federal investigator. When the FBI launches an investigation or in this case a witch hunt targeting the Ferguson Police Department, and one of their police officers, the FBI, will stop at nothing to uncover wrong doing. There is no police department in America, that is going to lie for one of their police officers, who did something so stupid, that it not only attracted the attention of every news organisation in the world, but even managed to wake Obama, out of his stupor.

While we are on the subject of common sense, portraying yourself as a former journalist, when it is difficult for you to express yourself in writing is not very believable. In fact, I would go as far to suggest, if you were ever hung for being a journalist, you would die an innocent man. The federal investigator claim is actually believable, because I have dealt with some of those people that can barely write a coherent incident report.

If Officer Wilson had gunned downed this big dufus like the liberal news media have suggested, the Ferguson Police Chief, would have distanced himself from Wilson, as if Wilson had the plague. There has to be a reasonable explanation why Officer Wilson felt it necessary to shoot Brown, other than he took it on his own to execute someone in broad daylight in front of an entire neighbourhood. The Ferguson Grand Jury, should be able to come up with what really happened that afternoon, and believe me, if Wilson lied or did any wrong doing what so ever, he will pay a heavy price.

You continue to fail to deal with the specifics alleging a cover up by the local authorities as I have presented them in my most recent posts.

This is primarily because you are fixated on me, not the homicide of Mike Brown by the guy Wilson or the cover up of it. You have only rhetoric about me and nothing to refute the specifics of a cover up as I've presented them in my most recent posts.

Get a grip.

Edited September 17, 2014 by Publicus

[CMNightRider]

Common sense would tell you the Ferguson Police Department, is not attempting to cover up anything. This department has the FBI, breathing down their neck, along with Obama, and even his legion of race baiters. Rub those sleepy little eyes Publicus and wake up or better yet, grow up.

Rub those sleepy little eyes Publicus and wake up or better yet, grow up.

You keep trying to address someone as if he were 14 years old and you're going to continue to burn your own arse as in the FPD editorial cartoon big .

You can't deal with the issues in specific terms. You can't present or deal with an argument. You just can't ever get it up to rebut or advance points of discourse. So you try to scold and dismiss rather than debate, engage.

Good thing posting here is a privilege. Imagine the horror if it had to be earned.

If you don't want to be addressed as a 14 year old, then maybe it may be time for you to act like an adult. You keep implying The Ferguson Police Department, is involved in a cover-up in an effort to protect Officer Wilson. Common sense would tell anyone of normal intellect, this can't possibly be true, and especially a person who claims to have been a federal investigator. When the FBI launches an investigation or in this case a witch hunt targeting the Ferguson Police Department, and one of their police officers, the FBI, will stop at nothing to uncover wrong doing. There is no police department in America, that is going to lie for one of their police officers, who did something so stupid, that it not only attracted the attention of every news organisation in the world, but even managed to wake Obama, out of his stupor.

While we are on the subject of common sense, portraying yourself as a former journalist, when it is difficult for you to express yourself in writing is not very believable. In fact, I would go as far to suggest, if you were ever hung for being a journalist, you would die an innocent man. The federal investigator claim is actually believable, because I have dealt with some of those people that can barely write a coherent incident report.

If Officer Wilson had gunned downed this big dufus like the liberal news media have suggested, the Ferguson Police Chief, would have distanced himself from Wilson, as if Wilson had the plague. There has to be a reasonable explanation why Officer Wilson felt it necessary to shoot Brown, other than he took it on his own to execute someone in broad daylight in front of an entire neighbourhood. The Ferguson Grand Jury, should be able to come up with what really happened that afternoon, and believe me, if Wilson lied or did any wrong doing what so ever, he will pay a heavy price.

You continue to fail to deal with the specifics alleging a cover up by the local authorities as I have presented them in my most recent posts.

This is primarily because you are fixated on me, not the homicide of Mike Brown by the guy Wilson or the cover up of it. You have only rhetoric about me and nothing to refute the specifics of a cover up as I've presented them in my most recent posts.

Get a grip.

All you are doing is posting news articles, opinions, and cartoons from left wing tabloids. Relax, no one is fixated on you. However, your continued nonsensical posts. indicate you have very limited real life experiences and know nothing about law enforcement.

[Publicus]

You continue to fail to deal with the specifics alleging a cover up by the local authorities as I have presented them in my most recent posts.

This is primarily because you are fixated on me, not the homicide of Mike Brown by the guy Wilson or the cover up of it. You have only rhetoric about me and nothing to refute the specifics of a cover up as I've presented them in my most recent posts.

Get a grip.

All you are doing is posting news articles, opinions, and cartoons from left wing tabloids. Relax, no one is fixated on you. However, your continued nonsensical posts. indicate you have very limited real life experiences and know nothing about law enforcement.

Obsessed.

In cultural deficit and intellectually deficient besides. .

Too bad cause you're missing a good discussion.

[chuckd]

Wonder what all those reliable witnesses are saying about Brown's scuffle with Officer Wilson over his weapon in the patrol car?

Anybody have any input on that?

Haven't seen a word on that in the MSM for the past few weeks. Not even a good rumor from insider sources.

The links in the posts I've made that have eye witness accounts of the footrace and shooting homicide also point out the eye witnesses were eye witnesses to the actual shooting only.

Some of the eye witnesses say they saw the scuffle at the car only after it was underway but didn't see a shooter to connect to the one shot reported to have occurred there. Other eye witnesses said they didn't see the reported struggle, that they saw the event from the moment Brown started running with Wilson taking off after him.

Ferguson PD isn't saying anything about anything and neither is DoJ or anyone else such as the DA and his office. It appears three people know the origin of what pretty much has been established to have been a struggle between Wilson and Brown - those two and Brown's friend Dorian Johnson. Posts here have presented Johnson's statement that Wilson initiated the scuffle, reached for his gun, discharged it, which sounds consistent with Wilson's (obvious homicidal) temperament.

The FPD Incident Report, available to the public under state "sunshine laws," remains illegally redacted in the Incident Report section of the Report. As discussed earlier in the thread, this supports a belief Wilson has taken the 5th against self-incrimination. I'd say Wilson doesn't have to take the 5th, FPD are protecting him from the public. If Wilson is indicted, all he has to do is tell his story and wait for the prosecution to finish going through the motions of pretending to present a case.

Didn't you claim to have all these inside sources for information?

Come on, Publicus, share the wealth with us. Let us know what is really going on.

You just keep regurgitating the same old stuff. We need some fresh meat for this thread...at least until the Grand Jury or Holder's kangaroo court comes up with something.

Here's a buffet for you officer so take your pick.....

http://www.dailykos.com/blog/Charlie%20Grapski/

Your buffet failed to satisfy my appetite for some insider information.

It did lead me to check out your listed link to the Daily Kos, a far left wing nut publication, which then led me to further check out your author of note, Charlie Grapski.

Charlie, it seems, has been a professional student for the majority of his life. Here are his educational accomplishments:

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Just a little information -- I received my first bachelor's degree from Auburn University in Microbiology. BS Microbiology - 1988

At the University of Florida I have studied Philosophy, History (particularly American) and Political Science. I am currently completing my PhD in Political Science BS Philosophy - 1997; BS Political Science - 1997; MA Political Science - 1997.

At University College London I am completing a Masters in Legal and Political Theory. This degree will be awarded in September 1998.

http://nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu/~grapski/index_old.html

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Following his illustrious student days, it seems he is now a professor at the University of Florida teaching political science and the art of liberal rabble rousing, being actively involved with the "Occupy" movements and laying siege to various government facilities around the US.

He would appear to be well acquainted with various city governments and police forces around Florida in particular, having been arrested for civil disturbances several times and filing law suits in many instances. He ventured a run in politics for the Florida House but was, wisely it seems, rejected by the electorate.

In short, he is not the sort of chap I would want to waste any time with and have little respect for. His educational qualifications are impressive. His lack of common sense is equally impressive.

What I was looking for was some inside information from those sources you posted about in an earlier post. This is what you said:

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"My former colleagues in Washington continue to be excellent sources to me both in journalism and in the government.

And my time as a federal investigator enforcing civil rights laws means my former colleagues do keep me advised of cases such as the instant one contained in this thread. So when I say the Ferguson PD is going down you might think about going ahead to consider the fact."

Your words in post number 595 posted 2014-09-15 08:16:46

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If you are, in fact, actually in contact with these alleged former colleagues, what are they saying?

What is the inside information about the incident that started this in the police car?

Your star witness, Dorian Johnson, claims Wilson tried to open the car door and Brown bumped it closed, Johnson claims Wilson grabbed Brown by the neck and tried to pull him into the police car, whereupon one shot was fired from Wilson's police issued weapon.

Let's look at this claim a little.

Assuming Wilson is of average height, say 5'11", he is sitting in his patrol car and, with his left arm, reaches out and grabs a man 6'4", weighing 290 pounds, and Wilson tries to drag him into the front seat of his patrol car, where he is sitting? This explanation defies belief.

The police version is somewhat more believable.

That version is, Wilson opened the patrol car door and tried to get out, at which time Brown closed the door on Wilson, reached inside groping for Wilson's service weapon and, in the scuffle for possession of the firearm, a shot was discharged.

At this point Brown ran away a short distance as Wilson exited the patrol car. Wilson had his weapon drawn and fired at the fleeing suspect, who had now assaulted a police officer and was no longer merely a suspect in a convenience store felony. Those shots missed, but Brown stopped, turned and moved toward Wilson in a threatening manner, at which time Wilson opened fire.

What do your confidential sources have to say about this scenario?

PS: Is your star witness, Dorian Johnson, still being charged with lying to the police and filing a false police report in an earlier incident? Just curious

[CMNightRider]

You continue to fail to deal with the specifics alleging a cover up by the local authorities as I have presented them in my most recent posts.

This is primarily because you are fixated on me, not the homicide of Mike Brown by the guy Wilson or the cover up of it. You have only rhetoric about me and nothing to refute the specifics of a cover up as I've presented them in my most recent posts.

Get a grip.

All you are doing is posting news articles, opinions, and cartoons from left wing tabloids. Relax, no one is fixated on you. However, your continued nonsensical posts. indicate you have very limited real life experiences and know nothing about law enforcement.

Obsessed.

In cultural deficit and intellectually deficient besides. .

Too bad cause you're missing a good discussion.

This post is a good example of your immaturity. If you would like to engage in a good discussion, share something your Washington insiders and former colleagues tell you about the big cover-up. I'm curious why the Ferguson Police Chief, would risk loosing his pension trying to cover up wrong doing by Officer Wilson.

All you have done so far, is be less than truthful about being a journalist, and posted numerous articles and cartoons written by loony, leftist, who share your distain for law enforcement.

[Publicus]

Here's a buffet for you officer so take your pick.....

http://www.dailykos.com/blog/Charlie%20Grapski/

Your buffet failed to satisfy my appetite for some insider information.

It did lead me to check out your listed link to the Daily Kos, a far left wing nut publication, which then led me to further check out your author of note, Charlie Grapski.

Charlie, it seems, has been a professional student for the majority of his life. Here are his educational accomplishments:

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Just a little information -- I received my first bachelor's degree from Auburn University in Microbiology. BS Microbiology - 1988

At the University of Florida I have studied Philosophy, History (particularly American) and Political Science. I am currently completing my PhD in Political Science BS Philosophy - 1997; BS Political Science - 1997; MA Political Science - 1997.

At University College London I am completing a Masters in Legal and Political Theory. This degree will be awarded in September 1998.

http://nersp.nerdc.ufl.edu/~grapski/index_old.html

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Following his illustrious student days, it seems he is now a professor at the University of Florida teaching political science and the art of liberal rabble rousing, being actively involved with the "Occupy" movements and laying siege to various government facilities around the US.

He would appear to be well acquainted with various city governments and police forces around Florida in particular, having been arrested for civil disturbances several times and filing law suits in many instances. He ventured a run in politics for the Florida House but was, wisely it seems, rejected by the electorate.

In short, he is not the sort of chap I would want to waste any time with and have little respect for. His educational qualifications are impressive. His lack of common sense is equally impressive.

What I was looking for was some inside information from those sources you posted about in an earlier post. This is what you said:

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"My former colleagues in Washington continue to be excellent sources to me both in journalism and in the government.

And my time as a federal investigator enforcing civil rights laws means my former colleagues do keep me advised of cases such as the instant one contained in this thread. So when I say the Ferguson PD is going down you might think about going ahead to consider the fact."

Your words in post number 595 posted 2014-09-15 08:16:46

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If you are, in fact, actually in contact with these alleged former colleagues, what are they saying?

What is the inside information about the incident that started this in the police car?

Your star witness, Dorian Johnson, claims Wilson tried to open the car door and Brown bumped it closed, Johnson claims Wilson grabbed Brown by the neck and tried to pull him into the police car, whereupon one shot was fired from Wilson's police issued weapon.

Let's look at this claim a little.

Assuming Wilson is of average height, say 5'11", he is sitting in his patrol car and, with his left arm, reaches out and grabs a man 6'4", weighing 290 pounds, and Wilson tries to drag him into the front seat of his patrol car, where he is sitting? This explanation defies belief.

The police version is somewhat more believable.

That version is, Wilson opened the patrol car door and tried to get out, at which time Brown closed the door on Wilson, reached inside groping for Wilson's service weapon and, in the scuffle for possession of the firearm, a shot was discharged.

At this point Brown ran away a short distance as Wilson exited the patrol car. Wilson had his weapon drawn and fired at the fleeing suspect, who had now assaulted a police officer and was no longer merely a suspect in a convenience store felony. Those shots missed, but Brown stopped, turned and moved toward Wilson in a threatening manner, at which time Wilson opened fire.

What do your confidential sources have to say about this scenario?

PS: Is your star witness, Dorian Johnson, still being charged with lying to the police and filing a false police report in an earlier incident? Just curious

I trust you're feeling better now that you've expelled all of that from your deep innards. It makes for a long stream of brown stain consciousness.

You would of course expect that I'd researched Charlie Grapski before I would ever publicly quote or cite him and that I'm perfectly satisfied to link you or anyone to Grapski's current pro bono work in Ferguson and to his body of work and writings. Right? You would expect me to do that..I know you would. Right?

So thx for publicizing Charlie Grapski and his excellent credentials as a continuing pain in the back side to sleazebag governments everywhere to include the Ferguson Police Department and the St Louis county PD in their attempts to cover up in the homicide of Mike Brown and to protect Darren Wilson at virtually all costs of credibility and viability. Good work on your part champ.

You write excellent fiction, as in your account of the FPD fictions and inter alia the FPD avoidance of accountability in their redacting the Incident Report section of the FPD Incident Report form. The Missouri ACLU has pointed out the FPD is currently in blatant violation of the state's Sunshine laws not only In respect of the Incident Report but on numerous counts.

The best I can do is to relate to you all that I know so thx also for your expression of concern about Dorian Johnson - Dorian presently is a federal witness.

[chuckd]

<BS snip>

You write excellent fiction,

You started it.

[Hachi]

"I restate my respect, admiration and appreciation of the vast and huge majority of police officers and police departments in the United States that each and every day do a very tough and demanding job professionally and well.

I restate that citizens acquire a greater gratitude and societal bond with police when something happens such as 9/11 when the police in the extraordinary performance of their duties conduct themselves with instinctive courage, bravery, fortitude, dedication, sacrifice, selflessness among many additional positive attributes.

I restate that my own rare interactions with police officers have been expressions of mutual respect and benefit."

That is very decent of you Publicus. To honor the majority of police as in your quote, yet without full knowledge of all the relevant facts of the Ferguson incident, throw the officer allegedly involved under the bus.

Would a little point of law which goes something like "innocent until PROVEN guilty" have any bearing on your apparently firmly held beliefs associated with this matter?

[Publicus]

<BS snip>

You write excellent fiction,

You started it.

Nah nah na nah na nahh......my father could have beaten up your father.

Liar liar pants on fire!!!

"I restate my respect, admiration and appreciation of the vast and huge majority of police officers and police departments in the United States that each and every day do a very tough and demanding job professionally and well.

I restate that citizens acquire a greater gratitude and societal bond with police when something happens such as 9/11 when the police in the extraordinary performance of their duties conduct themselves with instinctive courage, bravery, fortitude, dedication, sacrifice, selflessness among many additional positive attributes.

I restate that my own rare interactions with police officers have been expressions of mutual respect and benefit."

That is very decent of you Publicus. To honor the majority of police as in your quote, yet without full knowledge of all the relevant facts of the Ferguson incident, throw the officer allegedly involved under the bus.

Would a little point of law which goes something like "innocent until PROVEN guilty" have any bearing on your apparently firmly held beliefs associated with this matter?

I've made numerous statements throughout the thread (and many times in other threads over time) that the rule of law is paramount and that due process of law is vital to the pursuit of justice, that I defend constitutionalism and the faithful execution of the laws fully and without reservation or purpose of evasion..

I've stopped the lawless far out right wing fringe from themselves trying Mike Brown, convicting him, imprisoning him and executing him for robbery and also for the maliciously bogus charge of assaulting a police officer. I've also stopped the discredited radical right from dancing on Mike's grave.

I've pointed out that police officers such as those in Ferguson are not officers of the peace, that they are in fact warriors against the citizenry, supported in this perversion by extreme rightwingnut fanatics who pick and choose the laws and Articles of the Constitution they like while disposing of the rest they don't like.

Now I've been pointing out the cover up going on by the Ferguson PD and also the SLCPD that is illegal and in itself furthers the case against each PD that they are lawless entities that need to be investigated for their having become that which they are sworn to defeat - criminals and units of violent organized crime.

The only thing any citizens can do when the local police and prosecutors have lost all trust, believability, confidence, is to turn to the Constitution which is exactly what is being done.

Technical buggery edited out by Publicus.

Edited September 17, 2014 by Publicus

[CMNightRider]

<BS snip>

You write excellent fiction,

You started it.

Nah nah na nah na nahh......my father could have beaten up your father.

Liar liar pants on fire!!!

"I restate my respect, admiration and appreciation of the vast and huge majority of police officers and police departments in the United States that each and every day do a very tough and demanding job professionally and well.

I restate that citizens acquire a greater gratitude and societal bond with police when something happens such as 9/11 when the police in the extraordinary performance of their duties conduct themselves with instinctive courage, bravery, fortitude, dedication, sacrifice, selflessness among many additional positive attributes.

I restate that my own rare interactions with police officers have been expressions of mutual respect and benefit."

That is very decent of you Publicus. To honor the majority of police as in your quote, yet without full knowledge of all the relevant facts of the Ferguson incident, throw the officer allegedly involved under the bus.

Would a little point of law which goes something like "innocent until PROVEN guilty" have any bearing on your apparently firmly held beliefs associated with this matter?

I've made numerous statements throughout the thread (and many times in other threads over time) that the rule of law is paramount and that due process of law is vital to the pursuit of justice, that I defend constitutionalism and the faithful execution of the laws fully and without reservation or purpose of evasion..

I've stopped the lawless far out right wing fringe from themselves trying Mike Brown, convicting him, imprisoning him and executing him for robbery and also for the maliciously bogus charge of assaulting a police officer. I've also stopped the discredited radical right from dancing on Mike's grave.

I've pointed out that police officers such as those in Ferguson are not officers of the peace, that they are in fact warriors against the citizenry, supported in this perversion by extreme rightwingnut fanatics who pick and choose the laws and Articles of the Constitution they like while disposing of the rest they don't like.

Now I've been pointing out the cover up going on by the Ferguson PD and also the SLCPD that is illegal and in itself furthers the case against each PD that they are lawless entities that need to be investigated for their having become that which they are sworn to defeat - criminals and units of violent organized crime.

The only thing any citizens can do when the local police and prosecutors have lost all trust, believability, confidence, is to turn to the Constitution which is exactly what is being done.

Technical buggery edited out by Publicus.

Huh?? "You stopped the lawless far right wing fringe from themselves trying Mike Brown??" What on earth are you talking about? No one is attempting to try Brown. Brown was shot by Officer Wilson, and subsequently died from his gunshot wounds. The facts of this case show Brown, affiliated himself with the "Bloods" street gang, he committed a robbery and ruffed up a store clerk minutes before assaulting and being shot by Officer Wilson. Basically, what is unknown is if the shooting was justified. A Grand Jury has been appointed and they are going through the process of making that determination.

In the meantime, blacks from the city of Ferguson, decided they would loot and burn down businesses in protest of this incident. The bleeding heart liberals came out of the wood work, and even managed to wake Obama, out of his stupor, and he sent the FBI in to investigate.

In addition, you keep talking about a police cover-up. Even some of the most mentally challenged would question, how could anyone cover up anything, with the entire world news media watching them, the FBI overseeing their every move, and even Obama watching them in between golfing. OMG!!!

[Scott]

I noted that a number of posters have been having fun with one another. It is, however, time to return to the topic and to make sure we keep the discussion civil. A bit of levity is fine, but often these things tend to turn nasty.

[chuckd]

<BS snip>

You write excellent fiction,

You started it.

Nah nah na nah na nahh......my father could have beaten up your father.

Liar liar pants on fire!!!

"I restate my respect, admiration and appreciation of the vast and huge majority of police officers and police departments in the United States that each and every day do a very tough and demanding job professionally and well.

I restate that citizens acquire a greater gratitude and societal bond with police when something happens such as 9/11 when the police in the extraordinary performance of their duties conduct themselves with instinctive courage, bravery, fortitude, dedication, sacrifice, selflessness among many additional positive attributes.

I restate that my own rare interactions with police officers have been expressions of mutual respect and benefit."

That is very decent of you Publicus. To honor the majority of police as in your quote, yet without full knowledge of all the relevant facts of the Ferguson incident, throw the officer allegedly involved under the bus.

Would a little point of law which goes something like "innocent until PROVEN guilty" have any bearing on your apparently firmly held beliefs associated with this matter?

I've made numerous statements throughout the thread (and many times in other threads over time) that the rule of law is paramount and that due process of law is vital to the pursuit of justice, that I defend constitutionalism and the faithful execution of the laws fully and without reservation or purpose of evasion..

I've stopped the lawless far out right wing fringe from themselves trying Mike Brown, convicting him, imprisoning him and executing him for robbery and also for the maliciously bogus charge of assaulting a police officer. I've also stopped the discredited radical right from dancing on Mike's grave.

I've pointed out that police officers such as those in Ferguson are not officers of the peace, that they are in fact warriors against the citizenry, supported in this perversion by extreme rightwingnut fanatics who pick and choose the laws and Articles of the Constitution they like while disposing of the rest they don't like.

Now I've been pointing out the cover up going on by the Ferguson PD and also the SLCPD that is illegal and in itself furthers the case against each PD that they are lawless entities that need to be investigated for their having become that which they are sworn to defeat - criminals and units of violent organized crime.

The only thing any citizens can do when the local police and prosecutors have lost all trust, believability, confidence, is to turn to the Constitution which is exactly what is being done.

Technical buggery edited out by Publicus.

Be careful you don't injure your arm patting yourself on the back.

I have a few questions concerning your seemingly narcissistic post.

1. Exactly how have you stopped anything?

I'm still here, the conservatives are still here and we are still responding to your posts. The only thing that has stopped is the sense and sensibilities from the liberal left.

2. How is it possible for conservatives to put Brown on trial, convict him, imprison him and execute him? His own actions have done this with no help provided by any member of this forum.

You go on to state Brown's alleged assault on Officer Wilson is a " maliciously bogus charge", obviously forgetting you said the following in post number 610 when specifically asked about the alleged assault by Brown:

"Some of the eye witnesses say they saw the scuffle at the car only after it was underway but didn't see a shooter to connect to the one shot reported to have occurred there. Other eye witnesses said they didn't see the reported struggle, that they saw the event from the moment Brown started running with Wilson taking off after him."

Did you suddenly have an epiphany that there was no assault or were you wrong when you made the claim you didn't know anything about the assault?

3. You then go on to make the absurd claim you have "stopped the discredited radical right from dancing on Mike's grave." We have had this discussion in a former life and it was pointed out the only ones that have been dancing on Brown's grave were Sharpton, Jackson, Holder and Obama. That has not changed.

4. Finally you go into your usual discourse concerning the "lawless" Ferguson and St. Louis County police forces without one shred of evidence whether your statement is true or not. The only thing you have come up with is the Missouri Sunshine Act has not been adhered to exactly as you and Charlie Grapski seem to believe it should have been. The courts should decide whether or not it is a violation of law, unless you and Charlie are licensed by the State of Missouri to practice law.

You go on to say the various police forces need to be investigated.

What in the world do you think Holder's Civil Rights Division is doing as we speak? If there have been any civil rights violations, charges will be forthcoming. My personal expectation is that charges will be forthcoming from this Justice Department whether the charges are real or imagined.

And that is where the Constitutional Rights of the citizenry will be violated.

PS: To member Hachi. A very good post. well thought out and to the point.

[Publicus]

<BS snip>

You write excellent fiction,

You started it.

Nah nah na nah na nahh......my father could have beaten up your father.

Liar liar pants on fire!!!

"I restate my respect, admiration and appreciation of the vast and huge majority of police officers and police departments in the United States that each and every day do a very tough and demanding job professionally and well.

I restate that citizens acquire a greater gratitude and societal bond with police when something happens such as 9/11 when the police in the extraordinary performance of their duties conduct themselves with instinctive courage, bravery, fortitude, dedication, sacrifice, selflessness among many additional positive attributes.

I restate that my own rare interactions with police officers have been expressions of mutual respect and benefit."

That is very decent of you Publicus. To honor the majority of police as in your quote, yet without full knowledge of all the relevant facts of the Ferguson incident, throw the officer allegedly involved under the bus.

Would a little point of law which goes something like "innocent until PROVEN guilty" have any bearing on your apparently firmly held beliefs associated with this matter?

I've made numerous statements throughout the thread (and many times in other threads over time) that the rule of law is paramount and that due process of law is vital to the pursuit of justice, that I defend constitutionalism and the faithful execution of the laws fully and without reservation or purpose of evasion..

I've stopped the lawless far out right wing fringe from themselves trying Mike Brown, convicting him, imprisoning him and executing him for robbery and also for the maliciously bogus charge of assaulting a police officer. I've also stopped the discredited radical right from dancing on Mike's grave.

I've pointed out that police officers such as those in Ferguson are not officers of the peace, that they are in fact warriors against the citizenry, supported in this perversion by extreme rightwingnut fanatics who pick and choose the laws and Articles of the Constitution they like while disposing of the rest they don't like.

Now I've been pointing out the cover up going on by the Ferguson PD and also the SLCPD that is illegal and in itself furthers the case against each PD that they are lawless entities that need to be investigated for their having become that which they are sworn to defeat - criminals and units of violent organized crime.

The only thing any citizens can do when the local police and prosecutors have lost all trust, believability, confidence, is to turn to the Constitution which is exactly what is being done.

Technical buggery edited out by Publicus.

Be careful you don't injure your arm patting yourself on the back.

I have a few questions concerning your seemingly narcissistic post.

1. Exactly how have you stopped anything?

I'm still here, the conservatives are still here and we are still responding to your posts. The only thing that has stopped is the sense and sensibilities from the liberal left.

2. How is it possible for conservatives to put Brown on trial, convict him, imprison him and execute him? His own actions have done this with no help provided by any member of this forum.

You go on to state Brown's alleged assault on Officer Wilson is a " maliciously bogus charge", obviously forgetting you said the following in post number 610 when specifically asked about the alleged assault by Brown:

"Some of the eye witnesses say they saw the scuffle at the car only after it was underway but didn't see a shooter to connect to the one shot reported to have occurred there. Other eye witnesses said they didn't see the reported struggle, that they saw the event from the moment Brown started running with Wilson taking off after him."

Did you suddenly have an epiphany that there was no assault or were you wrong when you made the claim you didn't know anything about the assault?

3. You then go on to make the absurd claim you have "stopped the discredited radical right from dancing on Mike's grave." We have had this discussion in a former life and it was pointed out the only ones that have been dancing on Brown's grave were Sharpton, Jackson, Holder and Obama. That has not changed.

4. Finally you go into your usual discourse concerning the "lawless" Ferguson and St. Louis County police forces without one shred of evidence whether your statement is true or not. The only thing you have come up with is the Missouri Sunshine Act has not been adhered to exactly as you and Charlie Grapski seem to believe it should have been. The courts should decide whether or not it is a violation of law, unless you and Charlie are licensed by the State of Missouri to practice law.

You go on to say the various police forces need to be investigated.

What in the world do you think Holder's Civil Rights Division is doing as we speak? If there have been any civil rights violations, charges will be forthcoming. My personal expectation is that charges will be forthcoming from this Justice Department whether the charges are real or imagined.

And that is where the Constitutional Rights of the citizenry will be violated.

PS: To member Hachi. A very good post. well thought out and to the point.

Another epic post which means there's a lot to demolish so I'll try to proceed somewhat sparingly while being on the mark.

It won't be a hard go.

1) There are precious few legit conservatives around here. Rather, there's a pack of tea party rightwingnuts.that for instance not only support the militarization of local police in the U.S., they rabidly encourage it, seek more of it, cheer them on in action.

2) The federal eye witness Dorian Johnson who was with Brown during everything discussed at the thread has given his statements publicly and privately to both investigations, local and federal. I have linked to the video several times.

3) No legit conservative would argue in such philistine ways as the tea party people here try to pull off and get past ordinary people..

4) A law degree is not a prerequisite to identifying government corruption, sleaze, police misconduct that long ago escalated to the point of abusing the Constitution.

The DoJ investigation is a civil rights laws pattern or practice proceeding to pursue prima facie violations of the statues and the constitution. The state of Missouri needs to comprehensively investigate the Ferguson PD and the SLCPD for violations of state law to include criminal statutes and the state constitution.

Lawsuits Pile Up While Ferguson Seethes

Two more lawsuits have been filed against Ferguson, Mo., one seeking the police report of the fatal shooting of Michael Brown, which set off the riots, and one from a widow who claims that the city Tasered to death her naked, mentally disturbed husband two years ago.

[The widow] claims that defendant Officer Brian Kaminski Tasered her husband three times, including once near the heart, and that another officer restrained her husband while he was being Tasered.

"While Jason Moore was being restrained and repeatedly Tasered he stopped breathing and became unresponsive. As a result of the use of excessive force as described above, Jason Moore suffered excruciating pain and suffered a cardiac arrest resulting in death," the complaint states.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/08/20/70581.htm

ACLU Sues St. Louis Police Violating Citizens Right To Film

Reports have poured in of mass first amendment violations of both citizens and journalists

http://www.mintpressnews.com/aclu-sues-st-louis-police-violating-citizens-right-film/195414/

Edited by Publicus for spacing

Edited September 18, 2014 by Publicus

[chuckd]

Sorry to bust your ego driven bubble, but you failed to either demolish or answer any of my questions.

Give it one more try.

[Ulysses G.]

I think that you are supposed to pretend. Party pooper.

[CMNightRider]

Officer Wilson testified in front of the Ferguson Grand Jury today. Wilson wasn't required to do this but testified anyway in an attempt to assist the grand jury in making their decision.

I couldn't help notice in the news today, the ACLU, along with their hysterical band of sobbing liberals, continue to stir the pot of their usual nonsensical conspiratorial theories regarding some sort of police cover-up. Even the mentally challenged have a hard time believing how the police could cover anything up with the FBI, over seeing everything they do.

It would be easier to believe in the Easter Bunny, than a Ferguson Police cover-up. Police haters are real quick to point their fingers at the law enforcement community. The majority of police haters wouldn't be able to pass the psychological screening police candidates have to go through, much less a police academy.

Edited September 18, 2014 by CMNightRider

[F430murci]

This illustrates the real issue of the entire Michael Brown incident and why it is nothing more than reverse racism at its worst.

2 black youths shot white 13 month old baby in the face and shot mother. Baby died, mother lived to mourn the senseless killing of her baby.

Where is their voice. There is their Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Obama or Holder. Brown was an aggressive street thug, the 13 month old was just an infant.

Guess what, the 13 month old being gunned down in cold blood barely made the local news for even 1 day yet how much do we hear about Michael Brown? Something is wrong here.

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BRUNSWICK, Ga. -- A Georgia woman said Friday a teenager trying to rob her at gunpoint asked "Do you want me to kill your baby?" before he fatally shot her 13-month-old son in the head.

Sherry West wept while she told The Associated Press that she pleaded with the gunman and a younger accomplice who approached her Thursday morning while she walked near their home in coastal Brunswick.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2931273