Michael Brown killing: State police take over riot-hit US town

[H1w4yR1da]

In contrast, destructive forces will march on slashing and burning as they go.

I assume by 'destructive forces' you're referring to the demonstrators in Ferguson rioting, looting and attacking the police? Edited October 16, 2014 by H1w4yR1da

[H1w4yR1da]

Now Publicus may follow the misguided notion that blacks are being mown down by out of control cops in the U.S. but we all know the truth. When your main quotes lead to the disgraced Eric Holder, you know that you've run out of arguments.

"Forget Ferguson: Black mobs may scream death threats at police in St. Louis, claiming they are the victims of racial violence, but around the rest of the country, black mobs are creators – not recipients – of racial violence. And reporters are loath to say it."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/colin-flaherty/beyond-ferguson/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sa9IobcLp8&list=UUkffs7dlQWuM3HKUM4LeMVA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55fiki1U1RA&feature=youtu.be&list=UUkffs7dlQWuM3HKUM4LeMVA

Edited October 16, 2014 by H1w4yR1da

[H1w4yR1da]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85-Gc6cZOBQ&list=UUkffs7dlQWuM3HKUM4LeMVA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvZ7jANq1k&feature=youtu.be

[Publicus]

In contrast, destructive forces will march on slashing and burning as they go.

I assume by 'destructive forces' you're referring to the demonstrators in Ferguson rioting, looting and attacking the police?

http://www.superteacherworksheets.com/1st-comprehension.html

[impulse]

A 2012 study by the Department of Justice’s Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention revealed that in 2010 black youths committed six times more murders, three times more rapes, 10 times more robberies and three times more assaults than did their white counterparts.

Similar statistics were released by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in the “Uniform Crime Reports.” They determined, “In the year 2008, black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58% for homicide and 67% for robbery.” By contrast, the only categories where white youths surpassed blacks were in liquor law violations and driving under the influence.

While I don't doubt those statistics at all, they need to dig just one level deeper. I'd also be interested in correlating family income to the crime rate. I suspect the poverty correlation would be much more significant than race.

Could it be that poverty and lack of opportunity are the real causative factors and there are just more blacks living in abject, soul crushing poverty than there are whites?

[CMNightRider]

A 2012 study by the Department of Justice’s Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention revealed that in 2010 black youths committed six times more murders, three times more rapes, 10 times more robberies and three times more assaults than did their white counterparts.

Similar statistics were released by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in the “Uniform Crime Reports.” They determined, “In the year 2008, black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58% for homicide and 67% for robbery.” By contrast, the only categories where white youths surpassed blacks were in liquor law violations and driving under the influence.

While I don't doubt those statistics at all, they need to dig just one level deeper. I'd also be interested in correlating family income to the crime rate. I suspect the poverty correlation would be much more significant than race.

Could it be that poverty and lack of opportunity are the real causative factors and there are just more blacks living in abject, soul crushing poverty than there are whites?

"Lack of opportunity?" Ever since the mid sixties, trade unions, along with state and federal government, have lowered their hiring standards to hire blacks. You can "dig as deep" as you want. There is no excuse for what is going on in Ferguson.

[Publicus]

The long train of real life horrors from one exclusive and excluding perspective is a recitation of realities Americans know all to well. Reality is a familiar personal pain to too many and is a societal cancer some eagerly campaign to spread.

Some Americans are however seeking to create viable approaches toward constructive outcomes to improve the quality of life in the United States and to save individual lives that otherwise will surely continue to be lost as the negative nabobs nag and natter on .

Prez Clinton and Attorney General Holder spoke to a special two-day conference of mayors and chiefs of police from throughout the United States exclusive gathered to discuss the Michael Brown homicide. These are or represent the vast majority of public servants who constitute the responsible mayors and police chiefs and police departments in the United States.

The setting was Little Rock Arkansas which is where Bill Clinton graduated high school after experiencing first hand the personal effects of the Supreme Court's ordered desegregation of schools in the country. AG Holder has his own point of view which responsible and constructive Americans respect or at the least consider. In contrast, destructive forces will march on slashing and burning as they go.

Holder, Bill Clinton speak to mayors and police chiefs about lessons from Ferguson

October 8

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Wednesday said the unrest after a Missouri police officer fatally shot an unarmed black 18-year-old in August shows law enforcement must directly address tensions within communities.

Holder also called for an expanded review of police techniques and tactics in the wake of the Michael Brown shooting to provide national direction to law enforcement.

Holder and former President Bill Clinton spoke at the start of a two-day meeting of mayors and police chiefs gathered to talk about lessons from the shooting of Brown by white Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson and the protests that followed.

Holder told the group that what happened in the St. Louis suburb put a national spotlight on the rift between police and citizens in many cities.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/holder-bill-clinton-speak-to-mayors-and-police-chiefs-about-lessons-from-ferguson/2014/10/08/22f55be8-4f3c-11e4-babe-e91da079cb8a_story.html?wprss=rss_national

Publicus says to TVF posters that what happened in the St. Louis suburb put a spotlight on the Gordian Knot between those who curse the darkness and those who try to light some candles.

Somehow, I don't see why anyone would be interested in what Bill Clinton (best known for using a cigar on Monica Lewinsky in the White House) or Eric Holder (best known for Fast & Furious debacle, and the IRS scandal) has to say about anything.

Gee, I wonder what Clinton or Holder would have done if they had been in Officer Wilson's position when Wilson encountered Brown?

"The long train of real life horrors" and "The Gordian Knot between those who curse the darkness and those who try to light some candles"???

The politics of the post make discourse impossible, or at the least not constructive. This is true of the past few pages especially and in particular.

I'd posted to the thread that discussions of race in the U.S. are unproductive and go nowhere every time all the time and the post proves it conclusively. No minds are ever changed.

Trying to place Bill Clinton or Eric Holder in the role and mindset of the shooter Wilson is useless and unproductive, leading to nothing, a pathetic stab in the dark. It's like asking what the homicide cop Wilson would do if he were attorney general of the United States.

Unproductive.

[CMNightRider]

The long train of real life horrors from one exclusive and excluding perspective is a recitation of realities Americans know all to well. Reality is a familiar personal pain to too many and is a societal cancer some eagerly campaign to spread.

Some Americans are however seeking to create viable approaches toward constructive outcomes to improve the quality of life in the United States and to save individual lives that otherwise will surely continue to be lost as the negative nabobs nag and natter on .

Prez Clinton and Attorney General Holder spoke to a special two-day conference of mayors and chiefs of police from throughout the United States exclusive gathered to discuss the Michael Brown homicide. These are or represent the vast majority of public servants who constitute the responsible mayors and police chiefs and police departments in the United States.

The setting was Little Rock Arkansas which is where Bill Clinton graduated high school after experiencing first hand the personal effects of the Supreme Court's ordered desegregation of schools in the country. AG Holder has his own point of view which responsible and constructive Americans respect or at the least consider. In contrast, destructive forces will march on slashing and burning as they go.

Holder, Bill Clinton speak to mayors and police chiefs about lessons from Ferguson

October 8

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Wednesday said the unrest after a Missouri police officer fatally shot an unarmed black 18-year-old in August shows law enforcement must directly address tensions within communities.

Holder also called for an expanded review of police techniques and tactics in the wake of the Michael Brown shooting to provide national direction to law enforcement.

Holder and former President Bill Clinton spoke at the start of a two-day meeting of mayors and police chiefs gathered to talk about lessons from the shooting of Brown by white Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson and the protests that followed.

Holder told the group that what happened in the St. Louis suburb put a national spotlight on the rift between police and citizens in many cities.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/holder-bill-clinton-speak-to-mayors-and-police-chiefs-about-lessons-from-ferguson/2014/10/08/22f55be8-4f3c-11e4-babe-e91da079cb8a_story.html?wprss=rss_national

Publicus says to TVF posters that what happened in the St. Louis suburb put a spotlight on the Gordian Knot between those who curse the darkness and those who try to light some candles.

Somehow, I don't see why anyone would be interested in what Bill Clinton (best known for using a cigar on Monica Lewinsky in the White House) or Eric Holder (best known for Fast & Furious debacle, and the IRS scandal) has to say about anything.

Gee, I wonder what Clinton or Holder would have done if they had been in Officer Wilson's position when Wilson encountered Brown?

"The long train of real life horrors" and "The Gordian Knot between those who curse the darkness and those who try to light some candles"???

The politics of the post make discourse impossible, or at the least not constructive. This is true of the past few pages especially and in particular.

I'd posted to the thread that discussions of race in the U.S. are unproductive and go nowhere every time all the time and the post proves it conclusively. No minds are ever changed.

Trying to place Bill Clinton or Eric Holder in the role and mindset of the shooter Wilson is useless and unproductive, leading to nothing, a pathetic stab in the dark. It's like asking what the homicide cop Wilson would do if he were attorney general of the United States.

Unproductive.

When you mentioned "pathetic stab in the dark," I couldn't help think of your countless nonsensical posts, along with immature, laughing icons, regarding Officer Wilson, and the black gang banger Wilson shot.

Clinton and Holder are the ones who injected their stupidy into a subject apparently neither has the ability to understand. Wilson never mentioned what he would do as Attorney General. Wilson did what he was paid to do. That is to enforce the law with the tools he had at his disposal. "Unproductive?" I believe that would be projection on your part.

[Publicus]

The long train of real life horrors from one exclusive and excluding perspective is a recitation of realities Americans know all to well. Reality is a familiar personal pain to too many and is a societal cancer some eagerly campaign to spread.

Some Americans are however seeking to create viable approaches toward constructive outcomes to improve the quality of life in the United States and to save individual lives that otherwise will surely continue to be lost as the negative nabobs nag and natter on .

Prez Clinton and Attorney General Holder spoke to a special two-day conference of mayors and chiefs of police from throughout the United States exclusive gathered to discuss the Michael Brown homicide. These are or represent the vast majority of public servants who constitute the responsible mayors and police chiefs and police departments in the United States.

The setting was Little Rock Arkansas which is where Bill Clinton graduated high school after experiencing first hand the personal effects of the Supreme Court's ordered desegregation of schools in the country. AG Holder has his own point of view which responsible and constructive Americans respect or at the least consider. In contrast, destructive forces will march on slashing and burning as they go.

Holder, Bill Clinton speak to mayors and police chiefs about lessons from Ferguson

October 8

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Wednesday said the unrest after a Missouri police officer fatally shot an unarmed black 18-year-old in August shows law enforcement must directly address tensions within communities.

Holder also called for an expanded review of police techniques and tactics in the wake of the Michael Brown shooting to provide national direction to law enforcement.

Holder and former President Bill Clinton spoke at the start of a two-day meeting of mayors and police chiefs gathered to talk about lessons from the shooting of Brown by white Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson and the protests that followed.

Holder told the group that what happened in the St. Louis suburb put a national spotlight on the rift between police and citizens in many cities.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/holder-bill-clinton-speak-to-mayors-and-police-chiefs-about-lessons-from-ferguson/2014/10/08/22f55be8-4f3c-11e4-babe-e91da079cb8a_story.html?wprss=rss_national

Publicus says to TVF posters that what happened in the St. Louis suburb put a spotlight on the Gordian Knot between those who curse the darkness and those who try to light some candles.

Somehow, I don't see why anyone would be interested in what Bill Clinton (best known for using a cigar on Monica Lewinsky in the White House) or Eric Holder (best known for Fast & Furious debacle, and the IRS scandal) has to say about anything.

Gee, I wonder what Clinton or Holder would have done if they had been in Officer Wilson's position when Wilson encountered Brown?

"The long train of real life horrors" and "The Gordian Knot between those who curse the darkness and those who try to light some candles"???

The politics of the post make discourse impossible, or at the least not constructive. This is true of the past few pages especially and in particular.

I'd posted to the thread that discussions of race in the U.S. are unproductive and go nowhere every time all the time and the post proves it conclusively. No minds are ever changed.

Trying to place Bill Clinton or Eric Holder in the role and mindset of the shooter Wilson is useless and unproductive, leading to nothing, a pathetic stab in the dark. It's like asking what the homicide cop Wilson would do if he were attorney general of the United States.

Unproductive.

When you mentioned "pathetic stab in the dark," I couldn't help think of your countless nonsensical posts, along with immature, laughing icons, regarding Officer Wilson, and the black gang banger Wilson shot.

Clinton and Holder are the ones who injected their stupidy into a subject apparently neither has the ability to understand. Wilson never mentioned what he would do as Attorney General. Wilson did what he was paid to do. That is to enforce the law with the tools he had at his disposal. "Unproductive?" I believe that would be projection on your part.

Unproductive squared plus anti-productive.

[Ulysses G.]

It is looking more and more like Officer Wilson was telling the truth and some of the "eyewitnesses" were lying about what actually took place. It will be interesting to see if the Grand Jury do the right thing and ignore public pressure to railroad an honorable policeman for simply doing his job.

The autopsy results for Michael Brown, whose death at the hands of a police officer generated a firestorm of racial controversy, revealed evidence that strongly supports Officer Darren Wilson‘s account of the shooting.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/michael-brown-autopsy-report-suggests-significant-altercation-with-officer/

[CMNightRider]

It's interesting to see how the liberal media and liberals in general went after Officer Wilson as if he was the criminal and attempted to portray a worthless gang banger as a young innocent teanager. This is a good example of how naive and gullible liberals tend to be.

[Publicus]

Now comes the parade of right wingers in defense of government authority.

Do have the parade as I'll be back later tonight...gotta go now to make some money.

Rain on the parade will come after the parade has passed......

[Ulysses G.]

The evidence supports the officer. That is what really counts. It looks like the shooting was JUSTIFIED.

KSDK-TV reports that the former top cop believes more information about the federal as well as the state investigations of the racially charged incident will be leaked out piece by piece.

Why? To prepare the Ferguson community — and especially the insistent protestors and angry activists who have demanded officer Wilson be charged with murder — in the likely event that no charges will be filed against him:

Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/former-top-cop-st-louis-just-said-really-stirs-passions-ferguson-shooting/#0r5ur1pRdx06sblv.99

[Ulysses G.]

More reporting by the Washington Post saying that evidence supports officer Wilson's account of the shooting in Ferguson.

Seven or eight African American eyewitnesses have provided testimony consistent with Wilsons account, but none have spoken publicly out of fear for their safety, The Posts sources said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-evidence-supports-officers-account-of-shooting-in-ferguson/2014/10/22/cf38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html

[H1w4yR1da]

The behavior of Eric Holder is a disgrace.

Eric Holder expressed aggravation over the leaks. Holder described the periodic release of inside information about the case as "inappropriate and troubling."

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/ag-holder-reportedly-exasperated-by-ferguson-mo-info-leaks/

[H1w4yR1da]

Now comes the parade of right wingers in defense of government authority.

Do have the parade as I'll be back later tonight...gotta go now to make some money.

Rain on the parade will come after the parade has passed......

After the recent evidence, it's going to be a long parade!

And that's what's being defended here, the evidence. Not hearsay by gangbangers and associates.

And the Brown family are fighting over merchandising rights.

"A police report describes a car pulling up and several people getting out. One of those people was reported to be Michael Brown’s Mom, Lesley McSpadden. A witness described McSpadden yelling ‘You can’t sell this s%$&” One of the relatives, who was selling, reportedly demanded McSpadden show a document proving she had a patent."

A patent!!!

http://www.amren.com/news/2014/10/police-investigating-assault-and-theft-following-argument-between-brown-family-relatives/

Class!

[H1w4yR1da]

It appears Publicus has finally given up the ghost and come to his senses regarding this issue.

From ridiculously lengthy posts at the beginning, he's now reduced to a few curt lines.

There's nothing like evidence to destroy an argument based solely on guesswork and prejudice.

[Publicus]

It appears Publicus has finally given up the ghost and come to his senses regarding this issue.

From ridiculously lengthy posts at the beginning, he's now reduced to a few curt lines.

There's nothing like evidence to destroy an argument based solely on guesswork and prejudice.

The official autopsy isn't anything resembling your albeit skimpy representations of it as well as your irretrievably biased misrepresentations of it. The Washington Post for instance does not say what your posts citing it say it says. The posts here present the official autopsy to suit their own prejudices, denials, false claims.

The gleeful posts I've read so far are barely connected to any information presented in the reports of the official autopsy.

The reports by the original news organization to employ the expert reviewers of the official autopsy, the St Louis Post Dispatch, are being challenged or contradicted by the principals the Post Dispatch employed to review the findings. The P-D reports are the original reports that have been reported globally.

The official autopsy for instance does not explain why the shooter Wilson killed Michael Brown after a struggle in the cop's SUV, nor does the official autopsy clarify whether Brown was surrendering or reaching for Wilson weapon.

Wilson has said that Brown reached for his gun while various witnesses have stated that they saw Brown being shot while running away. The family autopsy by former NYC medical examiner Dr. Michael Baden says Brown was shot from a distance, not from what a medical examiner would consider close range, so the two autopsy findings contradict one another.

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Here is the statement by Dr. Judy Melinck of San Francisco, contracted by the St. Louis Post Dispatch to analyze the findings of the official autopsy, which critique the paper's story concerning her analysis......

“I made it very clear that we only have partial information here. We don’t have the scene information. We don’t have the police investigation. We don’t have all the witness statements. And you can’t interpret autopsy findings in a vacuum.”

In a blog post, Melinek posted the email exchange between her and the Post-Dispatch, detailing the misrepresentation in the paper’s resulting article.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/michael-browns-official-autopsy-report-actually-reveal/

And the most recent statements by Dr. Michael Graham, the St Louis County Medical Examiner...

Graham, who also reviewed the autopsy report for the Post-Dispatch, told the NewsHour that the report showed an altercation took place at the car.”Whether or not it’s self-defense, you’ve got to look at all the accounts,” he said. “This report doesn’t fundamentally answer the question of whether at some point [brown] had his hands up as witnesses have said, or whether he surrendered, or whether they were up in an aggressive posture.”

“As you look at this [report], people are grabbing onto one thing, trying to make a whole case on this one finding,” said Graham. “You can’t do that.”

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/michael-browns-official-autopsy-report-actually-reveal/

Further, as is routine in a law enforcement investigation, direct eyewitness testimony directly conflicts. Eyewitness testimony that now has come forward affects each side of the argument over the homicide. Presently, eyewitnesses on each side have differing accounts among themselves. Eyewitnesses who say Brown had his hands up differ in their accounts. Eyewitnesses who say the shooter Darren Wilson is only a killer have differing accounts of what happened and when events occurred, not to mention how. Again, this is to be anticipated and expected in a law enforcement investigation anywhere or any sort.

After the homicide the shooter Wilson disappeared to an undisclosed location. I expect the attorneys for the Brown family will want discovery information pertaining to Wilson's contacts during his period of disappearance.

Did Wilson have contact with the FPD? Did the shooter Wilson or his representatives have any contact with the county DA directly, with the DA's office or anyone in law enforcement or formerly in law? Did the shooter Wilson have information about the official autopsy before the autopsy findings were publicly released?. These questions and many more arise as to how much time, information, clandestine contacts with Ferguson officials and/or country officials the shooter Wilson had before he reappeared and before Wilson in fact filed his long delayed official report of his homicide against Michael Brown.

I'll wake you guys with an elbow in your side when the fat lady is ready to sing which means you can expect to continue snoozing for a considerable while yet.

Edited by Publicus for spacing.

Edited October 25, 2014 by Publicus

[Ulysses G.]

It appears Publicus has finally given up the ghost and come to his senses regarding this issue.

From ridiculously lengthy posts at the beginning, he's now reduced to a few curt lines.

There's nothing like evidence to destroy an argument based solely on guesswork and prejudice.

You have to him to time to read Slate and the Huffington Post to catch up on the latest spin on the situation.

Eric Holder is boo -hooing, because the actual facts are destroying the administration's false narrative that Michael Brown was the victim of a white cop. Does anyone really think that Holder would give a fig if the leaks belittled the police officer?

[Publicus]

It appears Publicus has finally given up the ghost and come to his senses regarding this issue.

From ridiculously lengthy posts at the beginning, he's now reduced to a few curt lines.

There's nothing like evidence to destroy an argument based solely on guesswork and prejudice.

You have to him to time to read Slate and the Huffington Post to catch up on the latest spin on the situation.

Eric Holder is boo -hooing, because the actual facts are destroying the administration's false narrative that Michael Brown was the victim of a white cop. Does anyone really think that Holder would give a fig if the leaks belittled the police officer?

My quotes cite the PBS NewsHour exclusively and refer to the original news reporting organization, the St Louis Post Dispatch.

It was the Post Dispatch's original reports of the official autopsy that were reported nationally and globally. The reactions have occurred and I have read them, which is more than can be said of the dogmatic fringe extremist posters who cite nothing while spouting their own lifelong prejudices and biases.

The Attorney General of the U.S., Eric Holder, has said nothing more than the leak of the findings by local authorities of the local official autopsy constitute a violation of legal due processes and procedures,

The separate official autopsy of the U.S. Department of Justice remains with the DoJ and presumably will be released at the appropriate and proper time, place, circumstance, which probably will be in U.S. District Court when the DoJ files suit against the Ferguson PD and the St. Louis PD for violations of U.S. civil rights laws and for unconstitutional conduct, behaviors, practices, patters of law enforcement.

You are unable to refute any specific or particular itemized information in my post and you very likely will be unable to refute anything in this post. Your inadequate post above is a broad, vague, sweeping condemnation of people you don't like and that you reject as honorable and respectable Americans, to include the Attorney General of the United States.

You've been called out, so now where's the beef?

[F430murci]

It appears Publicus has finally given up the ghost and come to his senses regarding this issue.

From ridiculously lengthy posts at the beginning, he's now reduced to a few curt lines.

There's nothing like evidence to destroy an argument based solely on guesswork and prejudice.

You have to him to time to read Slate and the Huffington Post to catch up on the latest spin on the situation.

Eric Holder is boo -hooing, because the actual facts are destroying the administration's false narrative that Michael Brown was the victim of a white cop. Does anyone really think that Holder would give a fig if the leaks belittled the police officer?

Eric Holder is a disgrace. He infuses both politics and race into our legal system. He is welcome to advocate for his personal beliefs and agendas, but this should be done from a private position and not from the public position as AG.

[chuckd]

Did anybody ever stop to think that if Michael Brown had been killed in Afghanistan while serving his country, Obama and Holder wouldn't even know his name?

[Publicus]

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It appears Publicus has finally given up the ghost and come to his senses regarding this issue.
From ridiculously lengthy posts at the beginning, he's now reduced to a few curt lines.

There's nothing like evidence to destroy an argument based solely on guesswork and prejudice.

You have to him to time to read Slate and the Huffington Post to catch up on the latest spin on the situation.
Eric Holder is boo -hooing, because the actual facts are destroying the administration's false narrative that Michael Brown was the victim of a white cop. Does anyone really think that Holder would give a fig if the leaks belittled the police officer?

Eric Holder is a disgrace. He infuses both politics and race into our legal system. He is welcome to advocate for his personal beliefs and agendas, but this should be done from a private position and not from the public position as AG.

A political post, a declaratory pronouncement completely and entirely. You are of course entitled to your political views and your cultural proclivities and so are the rest of us. I'd only want to make it clear that politics rule the day from your side. It's also clear however that going politically back and forth indefinitely constitutes spinning one's wheels.

Did anybody ever stop to think that if Michael Brown had been killed in Afghanistan while serving his country, Obama and Holder wouldn't even know his name?

Your political biases against Prez Obama and your false claims against him as commander in chief have nothing do with the thread. You'd anyway have to prove specifically and with concrete information that the cynical claim of your post is true, accurate. You'd have to be able to confirm or to verify your off the wall political claim is true.

You can't.

You'd have to show specifically and exactly how the Attorney General of the U.S. needs to know the names of military personnel killed in Afghanistan -- or anywhere else in the world -- or how the AG should know this or want to know it.

If your political opinion that seems to be applicable to the present administration only is that the AG must or should know, then you'd need to argue why the Secretary of Defense should know and that the Secretary of State should know and why the Secretary of the Treasury should know, the SecTreas being among the four principal cabinet officers.

First however you'd have to establish as undisputable fact and as being incontrovertibly accurate that, not only does the president not know, but that that none of the other officials of the executive branch know.

Edited October 25, 2014 by Publicus

[F430murci]

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It appears Publicus has finally given up the ghost and come to his senses regarding this issue.

From ridiculously lengthy posts at the beginning, he's now reduced to a few curt lines.

There's nothing like evidence to destroy an argument based solely on guesswork and prejudice.

You have to him to time to read Slate and the Huffington Post to catch up on the latest spin on the situation.

Eric Holder is boo -hooing, because the actual facts are destroying the administration's false narrative that Michael Brown was the victim of a white cop. Does anyone really think that Holder would give a fig if the leaks belittled the police officer?

Eric Holder is a disgrace. He infuses both politics and race into our legal system. He is welcome to advocate for his personal beliefs and agendas, but this should be done from a private position and not from the public position as AG.

A political post, a declaratory pronouncement completely and entirely. You are of course entitled to your political views and your cultural proclivities and so are the rest of us. I'd only want to make it clear that politics rule the day from your side. It's also clear however that going politically back and forth indefinitely constitutes spinning one's wheels.

Did anybody ever stop to think that if Michael Brown had been killed in Afghanistan while serving his country, Obama and Holder wouldn't even know his name?

Your political bases against Prez Obama and your false claims against him as commander in chief have nothing do with the thread. You'd anyway have to prove specifically and with concrete information that the cynical claim of your post is true, accurate. You'd have to be able to confirm or to verify your off the wall political claim.

You can't.

Politics rule my side? Whatchatalkingbout? I am a democrat. I voted for Obama and boy do I feel deceived.

I know how AGs are appointed and that it is a political process. AGs still should strive to apply law even handily as possible while in that position.

[Ulysses G.]

It appears Publicus has finally given up the ghost and come to his senses regarding this issue.

From ridiculously lengthy posts at the beginning, he's now reduced to a few curt lines.

There's nothing like evidence to destroy an argument based solely on guesswork and prejudice.

You have to him to time to read Slate and the Huffington Post to catch up on the latest spin on the situation.

Eric Holder is boo -hooing, because the actual facts are destroying the administration's false narrative that Michael Brown was the victim of a white cop. Does anyone really think that Holder would give a fig if the leaks belittled the police officer?

My quotes cite the PBS NewsHour exclusively and refer to the original news reporting organization, the St Louis Post Dispatch.

So a few of the experts can not make definite conclusions based on the evidence that has been released, but it sure looks good for Officer Wilson and bad for the race baiters. What happened to your hateful insults towards the police and claims that ALL the eyewitnesses said the same thing?

Eyewitnesses will also be denied and defamed by the defenders of Dirty Harry Wilson and the Dirty Harry Ferguson PD. I know I can count on it.

All the same, there were in fact firsthand eye witnesses and all of 'em say the same thing

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/751812-michael-brown-killing-state-police-take-over-riot-hit-us-town/?p=8379608

[chuckd]

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You have to him to time to read Slate and the Huffington Post to catch up on the latest spin on the situation.

Eric Holder is boo -hooing, because the actual facts are destroying the administration's false narrative that Michael Brown was the victim of a white cop. Does anyone really think that Holder would give a fig if the leaks belittled the police officer?

Eric Holder is a disgrace. He infuses both politics and race into our legal system. He is welcome to advocate for his personal beliefs and agendas, but this should be done from a private position and not from the public position as AG.

A political post, a declaratory pronouncement completely and entirely. You are of course entitled to your political views and your cultural proclivities and so are the rest of us. I'd only want to make it clear that politics rule the day from your side. It's also clear however that going politically back and forth indefinitely constitutes spinning one's wheels.

Did anybody ever stop to think that if Michael Brown had been killed in Afghanistan while serving his country, Obama and Holder wouldn't even know his name?

Your political biases against Prez Obama and your false claims against him as commander in chief have nothing do with the thread. You'd anyway have to prove specifically and with concrete information that the cynical claim of your post is true, accurate. You'd have to be able to confirm or to verify your off the wall political claim is true.

You can't.

You'd have to show specifically and exactly how the Attorney General of the U.S. needs to know the names of military personnel killed in Afghanistan -- or anywhere else in the world -- or how the AG should know this or want to know it.

If your political opinion that seems to be applicable to the present administration only is that the AG must or should know, then you'd need to argue why the Secretary of Defense should know and that the Secretary of State should know and why the Secretary of the Treasury should know, the SecTreas being among the four principal cabinet officers.

First however you'd have to establish as undisputable fact and as being incontrovertibly accurate that, not only does the president not know, but that that none of the other officials of the executive branch know.

My question was rhetorical. I don't HAVE to prove anything.

Thanks for trying, though.

[Publicus]

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Eric Holder is a disgrace. He infuses both politics and race into our legal system. He is welcome to advocate for his personal beliefs and agendas, but this should be done from a private position and not from the public position as AG.

A political post, a declaratory pronouncement completely and entirely. You are of course entitled to your political views and your cultural proclivities and so are the rest of us. I'd only want to make it clear that politics rule the day from your side. It's also clear however that going politically back and forth indefinitely constitutes spinning one's wheels.

Politics rule my side? Whatchatalkingbout? I am a democrat. I voted for Obama and boy do I feel deceived.

I know how AGs are appointed and that it is a political process. AGs still should strive to apply law even handily as possible while in that position.

A given voter's nominal politics and a voter's real politics are often the same but are not necessarily the same. It's possible to claim loyalty to the Democratic party for instance while considering Prez Obama to be a deceiver of the party faithful, which is what you appear to be doing while taking your upset well beyond this case at this thread.

That's assuming and very generously so that you would be among the Democratic party faithful.

You are not the only person in the room who knows how a cabinet officer is appointed by a president, or who knows how Washington works, so kindly consider that although you are a lawyer (in the U.S. South), you are not the only person familiar with political parties and influence groups, law and lawmaking, government, courts, judges, politics.

Neither are you the only person to know how or why judges at all levels of government get appointed or elected. Perhaps you know political campaigns and how to win elections but I haven't seen that aspect of politics from you at all, much less to include comprehensively being familiar with politics and government at all levels or at any level. .

The matter at issue in the thread is whether Michael Brown can obtain in death the justice he was denied in life and whether officers of the law, to include lawyers such as the local prosecutor who isn't yet prosecuting, can deliver the due justice. That's my opinion and you have your opinion and so on it goes....

[Publicus]

Did anybody ever stop to think that if Michael Brown had been killed in Afghanistan while serving his country, Obama and Holder wouldn't even know his name?

Your political biases against Prez Obama and your false claims against him as commander in chief have nothing do with the thread. You'd anyway have to prove specifically and with concrete information that the cynical claim of your post is true, accurate. You'd have to be able to confirm or to verify your off the wall political claim is true.

You can't.

You'd have to show specifically and exactly how the Attorney General of the U.S. needs to know the names of military personnel killed in Afghanistan -- or anywhere else in the world -- or how the AG should know this or want to know it.

If your political opinion that seems to be applicable to the present administration only is that the AG must or should know, then you'd need to argue why the Secretary of Defense should know and that the Secretary of State should know and why the Secretary of the Treasury should know, the SecTreas being among the four principal cabinet officers.

First however you'd have to establish as undisputable fact and as being incontrovertibly accurate that, not only does the president not know, but that that none of the other officials of the executive branch know.

My question was rhetorical. I don't HAVE to prove anything.

Thanks for trying, though.

Too late - you got busted, now trying to backpedal

[Publicus]

You have to him to time to read Slate and the Huffington Post to catch up on the latest spin on the situation.

Eric Holder is boo -hooing, because the actual facts are destroying the administration's false narrative that Michael Brown was the victim of a white cop. Does anyone really think that Holder would give a fig if the leaks belittled the police officer?

My quotes cite the PBS NewsHour exclusively and refer to the original news reporting organization, the St Louis Post Dispatch.

So a few of the experts can not make definite conclusions based on the evidence that has been released, but it sure looks good for Officer Wilson and bad for the race baiters. What happened to your hateful insults towards the police and claims that ALL the eyewitnesses said the same thing?

Eyewitnesses will also be denied and defamed by the defenders of Dirty Harry Wilson and the Dirty Harry Ferguson PD. I know I can count on it.

All the same, there were in fact firsthand eye witnesses and all of 'em say the same thing

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/751812-michael-brown-killing-state-police-take-over-riot-hit-us-town/?p=8379608

In reply to your baiting post I quote the moderator.....

metisdead

Posted 2014-10-11 15:30:12

Off topic posts and replies have been removed, this is not about the incident that transpired in Memphis. Other posts that were mostly off topic have been removed as well as a post containing inflammatory trolling remarks regarding the police.

A post replying to a previously removed off topic post has been removed.

Some more posts containing inflammatory trolling remarks regarding the police have been removed as well as the replies.

Other off topic posts and replies have been removed as well.

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Now it is I posting after having responded to your quoting me and then my citing a moderator.

You still cannot respond or reply to the specifics and particulars that I have itemized in today's post to you.

Instead you continue to be unable to address the issues of the thread in concrete terms that deal in detail or specificity.

You continue to avoid that, going to great lengths of avoidance behavior, posting instead only vague and sweeping and broad terms your individual opinions of condemnation, denunciation, opprobation against the people you don't like and find it impossible to find anything about us to respect.

Your efforts to deflect from the points I make fail.

Edited October 25, 2014 by Publicus

[Ulysses G.]

We all know that the police tried to control the riots. That is their job.

I DID reply to the specifics of your post. The only point that you made was that a few of the experts can not make definite conclusions based on the evidence that has been released. You could not back up your claims that ALL the witnesses said the same thing or provide any evidence that Officer Wilson was not defending himself.

Edited October 25, 2014 by Ulysses G.