New German bakery/cafe Jomtien 2nd road

[Anthony5]

I tried the meat loaf breakfast at Back Fabric.

Fried egg over a thick slice of German meatloaf, served with a generous portion of home fries cooked with onion, bacon in real butter.

Nice blended strong coffee from the espresso machine. 210Bt.

That is a superb value considering it's prepared by a European chef with the quality ingredients.

That would cost about 400Bt in Europe I suppose.

Now the 60Bt breakfast prepared by a nose picking Thai teenager with the cheapest ingredients? Value isn't the word I'm thinking.

Silly.

I think you are silly, being ripped off at the Irish Wolfhound.

60Baht!? You do know the formula for restaurant costing, the chef probably only invested 21Baht in the meals ingredients.

Yummy.

I suspect that your German and my Irishman both do their shopping at Makro (as do most other restaurants in town) and that they both use exactly the same eggs and onions and potatoes, and quite possibly the same bacon and meat etc. Perhaps you should actually try that 60B breakfast before criticising its quality? Cheap things are not necessarily bad quality, and expensive ones are not necessarily any good at all.

I think you will find that it are only the budget restaurants that shop at Makro, because you get what you pay for at CP related stores.

[KittenKong]

I think you will find that it are only the budget restaurants that shop at Makro ....

That certainly is not the case. I have seen vehicles and people from some expensive restaurants loading up with stuff in there. And there isn't really anywhere else to go to buy in bulk.

Besides which I see nothing intrinsically wrong with the quality of the items that Makro sells.

[CarlTyson]

I tried the meat loaf breakfast at Back Fabric.

Fried egg over a thick slice of German meatloaf, served with a generous portion of home fries cooked with onion, bacon in real butter.

Nice blended strong coffee from the espresso machine. 210Bt.

That is a superb value considering it's prepared by a European chef with the quality ingredients.

That would cost about 400Bt in Europe I suppose.

Now the 60Bt breakfast prepared by a nose picking Thai teenager with the cheapest ingredients? Value isn't the word I'm thinking.

Silly.

I think you are silly, being ripped off at the Irish Wolfhound.

60Baht!? You do know the formula for restaurant costing, the chef probably only invested 21Baht in the meals ingredients.

Yummy.

I suspect that your German and my Irishman both do their shopping at Makro (as do most other restaurants in town) and that they both use exactly the same eggs and onions and potatoes, and quite possibly the same bacon and meat etc. Perhaps you should actually try that 60B breakfast before criticising its quality? Cheap things are not necessarily bad quality, and expensive ones are not necessarily any good at all.

If times are hard, a 60Bt. breakfast is acceptable.

Edited December 7, 2014 by CarlTyson

[sparkey]

60 BT with proper Tea

I'd love to see a photo of the food.

You can't even buy a bacon butty for that round my way in England

[sparkey]

Plus a cup of tea that's 80 p to a quid at the local car boot

[KittenKong]

60 BT with proper Tea

I'd love to see a photo of the food.

You can't even buy a bacon butty for that round my way in England

Ah, but you're not in Kansas any more Dorothy.

Maybe the doubters should take their courage in both hands and try the 60B small breakfast for themselves, along with the dozens of other people who have it there every day? And on another occasion the same doubters could also try the Foodland cafe, which for 72B does double eggs Benedict, orange juice, water and a good fresh coffee. Again, not the largest portions the world has ever seen, but tasty and reasonably priced.

[sparkey]

totally agree and at that price you can have two

LOL

I live inBanchang and the only thing under 100 BT (that I can recall) are toasties

I quite Like the breakfast at Collingbounes the auctioneers

Great sausage

[Mojomor]

Yes, I have eaten the 60 baht brekie many times and it is excellent value for money.

The owner knows what he is doing very well, and has run places in New York etc. He says it's all about numbers, and is probably right. The staff seem to be constantly walking out of the kitchen with new brekies for the assembled fans.

Anyway, if you don't like it there are lots of other places. The 99 baht brekie at Punch and Judy is quite good also, and you get aircon plus a tabloid rag like the Mail or Sun, but each to their own.

[GaryB1263]

totally agree and at that price you can have two

LOL

I live inBanchang and the only thing under 100 BT (that I can recall) are toasties

I quite Like the breakfast at Collingbounes the auctioneers

Great sausage

I haven't thought of that sausage in a while. Is he open other than Auction Day?

[KittenKong]

I live inBanchang and the only thing under 100 BT (that I can recall) are toasties

One of the things I really appreciate about Pattaya is that the large number of restaurants and bars does tend to keep most prices competitive. And with a minimum of research it isn't hard to find meal and drinks bargains for every day of the week, without compromising on quality at all.

[KittenKong]

The owner knows what he is doing very well, and has run places in New York etc. He says it's all about numbers, and is probably right. The staff seem to be constantly walking out of the kitchen with new brekies for the assembled fans.

Yes. You can tell that they know their job.

Whilst the profit on an individual 60B breakfast wont be very high they certainly do sell a lot of them, and one quite often sees people ordering extras on which I'm sure they make a little more profit. Not to mention people who order other meals at other times of day.

[ThaiBob]

I finally made it to Back Fabrik and I can highly recommend it as it is also a good value because of the quality and varied breakfast selections available. I had the classic breakfast, a beautiful assortment of bakery breads, fresh oj, meat and cheeses, excellent sausage. Picture attached. Yesterday they were closed so I went to Took lae Dee since I had shopping at Foodland. I had something they call an American breakfast and what a disappointment, a complete waste of money. If I am so down on life that I have to eat in places like this then life is no longer worth living. The last time I was so disappointed with a breakfast was the Boat Cafe years ago. I know they are cheap but in my opinion a waste of money, you're get what you pay for. Picture also attached. I recommend Back Fabrik and is now one of my top choices for breakfast in the Jomtien area.

Edited December 9, 2014 by ThaiBob

[CarlTyson]

That Foodland breakfast looks familiar.

O yea, that weekend in the county jail, back in Ohio. That's what they serve.

[KittenKong]

Yesterday they were closed so I went to Took lae Dee since I had shopping at Foodland. I had something they call an American breakfast and what a disappointment, a complete waste of money.

You should have had their eggs Benedict which is widely recommended rather than their American breakfast which is rarely recommended. I often have the former but never the latter.

I find that it pays to read reports and comments very carefully.

[ThaiBob]

Yesterday they were closed so I went to Took lae Dee since I had shopping at Foodland. I had something they call an American breakfast and what a disappointment, a complete waste of money.

You should have had their eggs Benedict which is widely recommended rather than their American breakfast which is rarely recommended. I often have the former but never the latter.

I find that it pays to read reports and comments very carefully.

This is good information for people who like eggs benedict, I don't. I can still taste the the remnants of fish oil or whatever oil they used in my scrambled eggs, actually pretty common with Thai chefs in low end restaurants. Oh and then there was the wonderful Tang they served as orange juice.

[mike2011]

Thaibob you gave me a good laugh. I also made that Boatbakery mistake when I had more hair and in a different color..... What a place.....

Nobody doubts that there can be good value in a 60 baht breakfast especially when the place uses it as bait for customers. Surely difficult to beat. Praising a higher priced bakery is not meant to be snobbish or putting down the other. It is just that there is an alternative in case you feel like it.

As for professional bakeries, I doubt that they get their core produce from Makro. It is just not the right stuff most of the time. The German bakery in Nonkhai and others source their supplies from here: http://www.choco-schmidt.com/food.php If you look at what they offer you will see that they offer quality flour but also a lot of "mixes", "improvers" and similar stuff. No self-respecting baker would use these and you taste it. It is more work to do a proper sour dough bread and it takes also longer to produce a wheat bread without the mixes. This is what you pay the extra for. No chemicals, high-quality flour that costs more than the junk mostly used in the US and, no offense intended, also sadly in the UK. One cannot compare the breakfast toasted bread with a say a black bread. That does not preclude that the latter suits one fine.We come from different places and for those who grew up with and came to appreciate such bread later in life this Back Fabrik is a nice option. Would I drive across town just to get the bread? Probably not, but I would drop by when I am in the area. So it is good to have it on the radar.

[luudee]

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Ah, but you're not in Kansas any more Dorothy.

Maybe the doubters should take their courage in both hands and try the 60B small breakfast for themselves, along with the dozens of other people who have it there every day? And on another occasion the same doubters could also try the Foodland cafe, which for 72B does double eggs Benedict, orange juice, water and a good fresh coffee. Again, not the largest portions the world has ever seen, but tasty and reasonably priced.

OK, now, I think we need to agree to disagree as to what you consider tasteful and acceptable

and what I consider tasteful and acceptable when it comes to food.

No offense, but the crap they sell at that foodland cafe (or whatever it is called), I wouldn't feed

to my dog. And yes, it is always packed with mostly farangs ...

That must be the cheapest and lowest quality ingredients and as poorly prepared as one can

imagine. Sure eggs are eggs and onions are onions, but the oil you use to fry them, and whether

other "fillers" they add in your omelet, does matter to me.

If your taste-buds and tummy are happy with what you get at foodland cafe, and other budget

places, I am happy for you. But I prefer to enjoy breakfast at back fabrik.

luudee

[Jingthing]

Some people care about food quality, and some don't. For many high quality food is a waste of money. That is especially true of wine. A large percentage of people aren't even physically capable of tasting many of the subtle differences ... no fault of their own either.

Edited December 9, 2014 by Jingthing

[ukchatterbox]

This guy will need CPR if he sees the eclair prices at LaBaquette.

LA Baguette Hua Hin is 30 Baht for an eclair

[KittenKong]

You should have had their eggs Benedict which is widely recommended rather than their American breakfast which is rarely recommended. I often have the former but never the latter.

I find that it pays to read reports and comments very carefully.

This is good information for people who like eggs benedict, I don't.

So why do you go to a place at which the eggs Benedict is recommended and order something else? You wanted to do a similar thing at Hotel Danmark; you read recommendations for the buffet breakfast but wanted a plated American breakfast. I dont understand this.

[KittenKong]

No offense, but the crap they sell at that foodland cafe (or whatever it is called), I wouldn't feed

to my dog. And yes, it is always packed with mostly farangs ...

That must be the cheapest and lowest quality ingredients and as poorly prepared as one can

imagine. Sure eggs are eggs and onions are onions, but the oil you use to fry them, and whether

other "fillers" they add in your omelet, does matter to me.

Many of the ingredients at that cafe come direct from the supermarket section. I have seen them bring the things across the hall. OK, they are probably the things that are nearing their sell-by date but there is nothing intrinsically wrong with that.

All farang customers? Sorry, that's just not true. That cafe is extensively used by Thais.

I did have their omelette once and there was no filler in the one I had.

As I mentioned before, their eggs Benedict is good but when I go there I dont have anything else. No restaurant on earth does everything perfectly just as no supermarket has all the best products at the lowest prices. I find that the trick in life is to know what to get from where, and what to avoid from where.

[KittenKong]

As for professional bakeries, I doubt that they get their core produce from Makro. It is just not the right stuff most of the time. The German bakery in Nonkhai and others source their supplies from here: http://www.choco-schmidt.com/food.php If you look at what they offer you will see that they offer quality flour but also a lot of "mixes", "improvers" and similar stuff. No self-respecting baker would use these and you taste it. It is more work to do a proper sour dough bread and it takes also longer to produce a wheat bread without the mixes. This is what you pay the extra for. No chemicals, high-quality flour that costs more than the junk mostly used in the US and, no offense intended, also sadly in the UK. One cannot compare the breakfast toasted bread with a say a black bread.

Of course you are right about the bread flour. No one would suggest otherwise.

Makro does sell some standard white bread flour but it certainly doesnt have the range that a specialised supplier would carry. A proper baker would want these, as you point out. Makro does have several types of baker's yeast though, sold in catering sized packs (I buy that and keep it in the fridge, and I get my organic bread flour from Central, imported from Waitrose in the UK at huge cost).

When I mentioned Makro I was referring to the standard ingredients used by all restaurants: fresh produce, meat, fish, common seasonings and oils, sauces and condiments, tinned and frozen imported items etc. As far as I know most establishments in Pattaya use Makro for these. I've also seen people from local farang food manufacturers (pie-makers etc) buying items there.

I suspect that Back Fabrik also gets these to make their meals with, even if the flour for the bread that goes with it comes from elsewhere. That's why I maintain that there will be little difference, if any, in the basic ingredients of the entire breakfast they do when compared to other places.

[CarlTyson]

No offense, but the crap they sell at that foodland cafe (or whatever it is called), I wouldn't feed

to my dog. And yes, it is always packed with mostly farangs ...

That must be the cheapest and lowest quality ingredients and as poorly prepared as one can

imagine. Sure eggs are eggs and onions are onions, but the oil you use to fry them, and whether

other "fillers" they add in your omelet, does matter to me.

Many of the ingredients at that cafe come direct from the supermarket section. I have seen them bring the things across the hall. OK, they are probably the things that are nearing their sell-by date but there is nothing intrinsically wrong with that.

All farang customers? Sorry, that's just not true. That cafe is extensively used by Thais.

I did have their omelette once and there was no filler in the one I had.

As I mentioned before, their eggs Benedict is good but when I go there I dont have anything else. No restaurant on earth does everything perfectly just as no supermarket has all the best products at the lowest prices. I find that the trick in life is to know what to get from where, and what to avoid from where.

"OK, they are probably the things that are nearing their sell-by date but there is nothing intrinsically wrong with that."

So thats how they do it?

I wonder if they are recycling the half eaten sandwiches? Nothing wrong with that if the customer didn't have a cold or virus.

Edited December 9, 2014 by CarlTyson

[ThaiBob]

As for professional bakeries, I doubt that they get their core produce from Makro. It is just not the right stuff most of the time. The German bakery in Nonkhai and others source their supplies from here: http://www.choco-schmidt.com/food.php If you look at what they offer you will see that they offer quality flour but also a lot of "mixes", "improvers" and similar stuff. No self-respecting baker would use these and you taste it. It is more work to do a proper sour dough bread and it takes also longer to produce a wheat bread without the mixes. This is what you pay the extra for. No chemicals, high-quality flour that costs more than the junk mostly used in the US and, no offense intended, also sadly in the UK. One cannot compare the breakfast toasted bread with a say a black bread.

Of course you are right about the bread flour. No one would suggest otherwise.

Makro does sell some standard white bread flour but it certainly doesnt have the range that a specialised supplier would carry. A proper baker would want these, as you point out. Makro does have several types of baker's yeast though, sold in catering sized packs (I buy that and keep it in the fridge, and I get my organic bread flour from Central, imported from Waitrose in the UK at huge cost).

When I mentioned Makro I was referring to the standard ingredients used by all restaurants: fresh produce, meat, fish, common seasonings and oils, sauces and condiments, tinned and frozen imported items etc. As far as I know most establishments in Pattaya use Makro for these. I've also seen people from local farang food manufacturers (pie-makers etc) buying items there.

I suspect that Back Fabrik also gets these to make their meals with, even if the flour for the bread that goes with it comes from elsewhere. That's why I maintain that there will be little difference, if any, in the basic ingredients of the entire breakfast they do when compared to other places.

I have no problem with Makro ingredients and products and generally offer a good value. The Makro concept parallels the big wholesalers in America like Costco, give the small mom and pop stores, the independents a fighting chance to be competitive. But high end restaurants, the big hotels, etc have their own specialty suppliers. The high end restaurants have their own suppliers of fruits and vegetables, organic, pesticide free. The food quality between Took lae Dee and Back Fabrik was like night and day, any objective person could taste the difference. The scrambled eggs at BF added seasonings and I could taste the butter/cream. Actually I am a person who prefers toast to fresh breads as served at BF. Of course, there was the ubiquitous hard, continental/German style, tennis ball sized bread roll which I skipped. If I was to throw one these at the police back in my Vietnam War protest days I would have been arrested for assault with a deadly weapon.

I will go back to Hotel Danmark since I am told I can have my eggs, bacon, ham prepared for me at my discretion. Since Took lae Dee has raised the bar so high I hope they can measure up.

[KittenKong]

But high end restaurants, the big hotels, etc have their own specialty suppliers. The high end restaurants have their own suppliers of fruits and vegetables, organic, pesticide free.

Sorry, I just dont believe this, at least not for the products that places like Makro sell. I am sure that, for example, the stuffed olives at the Hilton come out of one of those giant Crespo tubs that Makro sells, and I suspect that the same applies to every restaurant in town that serves olives.

The food quality between Took lae Dee and Back Fabrik was like night and day, any objective person could taste the difference.

As are the prices and these have to be part of a value comparison. Sadly you didnt try the thing that Took Lae Dee does well: the eggs Benedict. I would not eat the American breakfast there either but even so I dont see how you can say that the quality of the ingredients is any less than that found elsewhere. To me it seems very similar.

I will go back to Hotel Danmark since I am told I can have my eggs, bacon, ham prepared for me at my discretion.

You can, within reason. (The ham is not on the cooking station so I doubt they would do that.)

[CarlTyson]

This guy will need CPR if he sees the eclair prices at LaBaquette.

LA Baguette Hua Hin is 30 Baht for an eclair

At LaBaquette, Jomtien, the fancy box they put it in probably costs them 30Bt.

[sparkey]

Gary

Pretty sure every day but Sunday when all closed. But check website could be Monday

Cheers

[sparkey]

Kitten Kong

I love the choices in patts but would not move back

What you loose in variety here is made up for in other things

3 bed 3 bath house 5 k a month parking for 2 cars and. Umpteen motor bikes

2 mins to crappish beaches but no jet skis and few hawkers

I tried to price cooking a small English b/f myself . Even using the crap CP bacon I was looking at 30-40 BT

So fair play at 60. BT

Gotta try

[KittenKong]

I love the choices in patts but would not move back

What you loose in variety here is made up for in other things

3 bed 3 bath house 5 k a month parking for 2 cars and. Umpteen motor bikes

2 mins to crappish beaches but no jet skis and few hawkers

Dont get me wrong; I'm not knocking Ban Chang at all. In fact I really like the place and often drive down there (or to Rayong) for a walk and a day out on weekdays. I also looked at many condos in both places, some of which I was very keen on and still am.

But in the end I was put off by the lack of variety in restaurants/nightlife, and the need to always get the car out to go anywhere from those condo buildings, and the way the beaches and roads do get pretty packed at weekends. In Jomtien I can walk to a couple of hundred restaurants, or catch a 10B bahtbus day or night right outside my building to get to Pattaya where there are hundreds if not thousands more, and many of them do some sort of special at least once a week.

[mike2011]

I think Sparkey is spot-on. If you get a half-way decent breakfast for 60 baht you can hardly do it yourself. You might though prefer your "own" coffee or "own" tea brand over what they have. For most the deal is perfect.

I for myself I am not tempted as it would involve pulling some pants over my butt and put on a shirt plus shoes. Much more comfy walking to the fridge and prepare my own coffee without bothering anyone with my lovely looks in the morning.

What I do need (= like), however, is that decent piece of bread, maybe some cheese. I prefer the cold cuts from Ex-Carrefour/BigCextra. The cut pork and roastbeef from the supermarkets meat section is much better and way cheaper than similar products from Thai-German and other sausage brands just across the aisle. Much less fat and no nitrate.

So a slice of good bread from Back Fabrik, a nice cup of coffee (arabica beans from Chiang Mai area), the cold cut, a yoghurt and I am a happy farang. But it costs much more than the 60 baht and I dont have the company of fellow farangs at the breakfast joint.