1400 children sexually exploited in UK town Rotherham: report

[H1w4yR1da]

Billy Bragg-

The news from Rotherham this week - 1400 children abused while the authorities did nothing - is shocking. Some have been quick to use the fact that this abuse was perpetrated by men of Pakistani heritage to make racist and Islamophobic points.

Again!

That's the very type of thinking that allowed Rotherham to happen in the first place. Being called racist and homophobes by the likes of far out lefties like Billy Bragg.

[wilcopops]

"What this thread is about is the racial element" - REALLY????

Ever heard of "my-dog-has-4-legs" syndrome? doubt it.

Edited September 2, 2014 by wilcopops

[H1w4yR1da]

The increasing numbers of complaints of and convictions for sexual abuse by native English (& Welsh & Irish & Scottish, to be fair) indeed indicates a systemic problem. But to align the problem of child sexual abuse with Islamaphobia is entirely illogical.

You're talking rubbish!

The problem of child sex abuse isn't aligned with Islamophobia. It's aligned with Islam.

Get it right!!

[for real]

Billy Bragg has a an interesting perspective.

"he news from Rotherham this week - 1400 children abused while the authorities did nothing - is shocking. Some have been quick to use the fact that this abuse was perpetrated by men of Pakistani heritage to make racist and Islamophobic points. But if you look at other recent scandals of men abusing children, you'll find that what they have is common is not their ethnicity or faith, but their ability to escape reproach.

Catholic priests, national celebrities and Pakistani men in Rotherham were each able to rely on the reluctance of those in authority - social services, police, sometimes even the victim's own families - to challenge their behaviour. In each case, the authorities gave these evil men the benefit of the doubt, while telling their victims that it was their fault that they were being abused.

There needs to be a change of attitude towards the victims of abuse, they need to be listened to and evidence of their abuse needs to be gathered so that their abusers can be prosecuted. And no excuses should be accepted from the authorities as to why they didn't collect evidence and act on it. Nothing, not rank, fame, ethnicity nor wealth should stand in the way of bringing such evil men to justice."

The difference here was that these were groups of the same race who openly shared their victims and sold them to others from their race. I have never heard of a group of White Englishmen that would carry out such horrific crimes against vulnerable young girls. There is a culture difference that many of you do not want to see.

[simple1]

Billy Bragg has a an interesting perspective.

"he news from Rotherham this week - 1400 children abused while the authorities did nothing - is shocking. Some have been quick to use the fact that this abuse was perpetrated by men of Pakistani heritage to make racist and Islamophobic points. But if you look at other recent scandals of men abusing children, you'll find that what they have is common is not their ethnicity or faith, but their ability to escape reproach.

Catholic priests, national celebrities and Pakistani men in Rotherham were each able to rely on the reluctance of those in authority - social services, police, sometimes even the victim's own families - to challenge their behaviour. In each case, the authorities gave these evil men the benefit of the doubt, while telling their victims that it was their fault that they were being abused.

There needs to be a change of attitude towards the victims of abuse, they need to be listened to and evidence of their abuse needs to be gathered so that their abusers can be prosecuted. And no excuses should be accepted from the authorities as to why they didn't collect evidence and act on it. Nothing, not rank, fame, ethnicity nor wealth should stand in the way of bringing such evil men to justice."

The difference here was that these were groups of the same race who openly shared their victims and sold them to others from their race. I have never heard of a group of White Englishmen that would carry out such horrific crimes against vulnerable young girls. There is a culture difference that many of you do not want to see.

You must have your eyes firmly closed. Do not organised groups of 'White Englishmen' sexual abusers of boys and girls come under the heading of horrific crimes. It's been going on for decades, including the videoing and distribution for sale of content; child pornography. There are fairly regular reports of the rings being busted. Here's an example that covers the members of one ring at the highest level of 'White Englishmen'.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10950111/The-alleged-paedophile-ring-at-the-heart-of-the-British-Establishment.html

[jacky54]

The difference here was that these were groups of the same race who openly shared their victims and sold them to others from their race. I have never heard of a group of White Englishmen that would carry out such horrific crimes against vulnerable young girls. There is a culture difference that many of you do not want to see.

You must have your eyes firmly closed. Do not organised groups of 'White Englishmen' sexual abusers of boys and girls come under the heading of horrific crimes. It's been going on for decades, including the videoing and distribution for sale of content; child pornography. There are fairly regular reports of the rings being busted. Here's an example that covers the members of one ring at the highest level of 'White Englishmen'.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10950111/The-alleged-paedophile-ring-at-the-heart-of-the-British-Establishment.html

The link (that took you long enough to come up with!) talks about an alleged ring. No suggestions that they targeted kids of another race or religion that is sanctioned by their religion, or that they tortured or pimped them out. Still if it makes you feel better about the torture and rape of 1400 children by hundreds of Pakistani paedophiles then you carry on!

Edited September 2, 2014 by jacky54

[nontabury]

Billy Bragg has a an interesting perspective.

"he news from Rotherham this week - 1400 children abused while the authorities did nothing - is shocking. Some have been quick to use the fact that this abuse was perpetrated by men of Pakistani heritage to make racist and Islamophobic points. But if you look at other recent scandals of men abusing children, you'll find that what they have is common is not their ethnicity or faith, but their ability to escape reproach.

Catholic priests, national celebrities and Pakistani men in Rotherham were each able to rely on the reluctance of those in authority - social services, police, sometimes even the victim's own families - to challenge their behaviour. In each case, the authorities gave these evil men the benefit of the doubt, while telling their victims that it was their fault that they were being abused.

There needs to be a change of attitude towards the victims of abuse, they need to be listened to and evidence of their abuse needs to be gathered so that their abusers can be prosecuted. And no excuses should be accepted from the authorities as to why they didn't collect evidence and act on it. Nothing, not rank, fame, ethnicity nor wealth should stand in the way of bringing such evil men to justice."

The difference here was that these were groups of the same race who openly shared their victims and sold them to others from their race. I have never heard of a group of White Englishmen that would carry out such horrific crimes against vulnerable young girls. There is a culture difference that many of you do not want to see.

You must have your eyes firmly closed. Do not organised groups of 'White Englishmen' sexual abusers of boys and girls come under the heading of horrific crimes. It's been going on for decades, including the videoing and distribution for sale of content; child pornography. There are fairly regular reports of the rings being busted. Here's an example that covers the members of one ring at the highest level of 'White Englishmen'.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10950111/The-alleged-paedophile-ring-at-the-heart-of-the-British-Establishment.html

You're getting your wires crossed, we can all agree that these types of acts are terrible to put it mildly,

What is different in the Rotherham,Rochdale ,Oxford cases,is that these animals purposely targeted children from a different race and religion, again what would have been the reaction from the Muslim community if it had been the other way round, there would have been riots and all sorts of repercussions, and Understandably so, and I for one would have no hesitation in condemning white Christian men violating young Muslim children.

The cases you mentioned from the article in the Telegraph refers to white perverts in the establishment abuses white children, although I think we can assume if they had, had the opportunity to abuse children from different racers they would have, and as such they were Not racist, this is not the case with the Muslim men. I just wish you apologist would wake up, take your head out of the ground, you are not helping racial tolerance you are helping to create racial tension.

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[boomerangutang]

There was a speech, years ago, by an Australian Imman who compared young western women walking in public wearing revealing clothing - to 'slabs of meat' (waved in front of a hungry dog?) He was essentially saying that Muslim men are aroused when seeing immodestly clad women, and he was essentially justifying sex crimes stemming from that - or at the least, blaming the women for not wearing modest clothing.

That's the sort of thing you get from an extremely male dominated culture, which regards females as chattel who should never leave a barricaded home without being chaperoned by a male family member.

[simple1]

The difference here was that these were groups of the same race who openly shared their victims and sold them to others from their race. I have never heard of a group of White Englishmen that would carry out such horrific crimes against vulnerable young girls. There is a culture difference that many of you do not want to see.

You must have your eyes firmly closed. Do not organised groups of 'White Englishmen' sexual abusers of boys and girls come under the heading of horrific crimes. It's been going on for decades, including the videoing and distribution for sale of content; child pornography. There are fairly regular reports of the rings being busted. Here's an example that covers the members of one ring at the highest level of 'White Englishmen'.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10950111/The-alleged-paedophile-ring-at-the-heart-of-the-British-Establishment.html

The link (that took you long enough to come up with!) talks about an alleged ring. No suggestions that they targeted kids of another race or religion that is sanctioned by their religion, or that they tortured or pimped them out. Still if it makes you feel better about the torture and rape of 1400 children by hundreds of Pakistani paedophiles then you carry on!

I guess you and others must find it very uncomfortable that some non Muslims were also involved - stated in the official report - as it doesn't support the narrative that only UK Muslims were engaged in the criminal activities.

Above is a post indicating it's now emerging not just white kids were victims. 'White Englishmen' don't do this stuff, complete BS.

For some reason you're not aware that white sexual abuse rings do pimp out their victims to other members. Don't torture, again complete BS.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/medomsley-detention-centre-paedophile-ring-2168016

The victims in Rotherham and abuse sustained and covered up over 16 years was terrible & evil. What I don't get is the denial that whites were also involved in the abuse of victims even though it's referred to in the report.

Edited September 2, 2014 by simple1

[jacky54]

Pakistani Paedophiles yet again, what is wrong with these people?

The bus driver who has raped 12 little boys (and doesn't think he's done anything wrong): Why thousands of Pakistani children are falling prey to paedophiles

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2739799/Why-millions-Pakistani-children-falling-prey-vicious-paedophiles.html

Edited September 2, 2014 by jacky54

[Scott]

Inflammatory posts and replies deleted.

[Steely Dan]

Apparently there were 100 babies born as a result of the Rotherham rape gangs, one wonders what the total is nationwide. The tax bill brought to you by politically correct leftists, who will call names at anyone who complains.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rotherham-child-sex-scandal-resulted-4137542

[H1w4yR1da]

Pakistani Paedophiles yet again, what is wrong with these people?

The bus driver who has raped 12 little boys (and doesn't think he's done anything wrong): Why thousands of Pakistani children are falling prey to paedophiles

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2739799/Why-millions-Pakistani-children-falling-prey-vicious-paedophiles.html

Don't beat yourself up over it. It's a part of their backward and uncivilised culture and religion.

[Scott]

It is interesting that some members seem to think there are liberal lefties supporting this crimes. Can you point out those posts so they can be deleted and the poster dealt with by forum rules?

There are some posters who do recognize the difference between the people committing the crime and their religion and ethnicity.

Please tone done the inflammatory remarks.

[Mosha]

Now we have Barry Shearman Labour MP for Huddersfield telling an online Dewsbury newspaper. He was concerned this was going on in Dewsbury and Huddersfield 6 years ago. But Barry you chose to protect your backside instead of publicly expressing those concerns. West Yorks police are investigating 36 crimes.

[jacky54]

Apparently there were 100 babies born as a result of the Rotherham rape gangs, one wonders what the total is nationwide. The tax bill brought to you by politically correct leftists, who will call names at anyone who complains.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rotherham-child-sex-scandal-resulted-4137542

Made me feel sick just reading this and I do wish the posters who can only point the finger at other abusers could come up with an explanation for this, and some idea how it should be stamped out. This is a particular problem with one nationality and followers one religion in many towns. A Muslim woman in the article said:

'What we need is Asian women in Rotherham, and Rochdale, Oxford and Luton, to march with white mums and shout: “These are our daughters.” Human rights are for all, black, brown and white.'

Unfortunately there is about as much chance of this happening as there is of pigs flying, no offence!

[for real]

Billy Bragg has a an interesting perspective.

"he news from Rotherham this week - 1400 children abused while the authorities did nothing - is shocking. Some have been quick to use the fact that this abuse was perpetrated by men of Pakistani heritage to make racist and Islamophobic points. But if you look at other recent scandals of men abusing children, you'll find that what they have is common is not their ethnicity or faith, but their ability to escape reproach.

Catholic priests, national celebrities and Pakistani men in Rotherham were each able to rely on the reluctance of those in authority - social services, police, sometimes even the victim's own families - to challenge their behaviour. In each case, the authorities gave these evil men the benefit of the doubt, while telling their victims that it was their fault that they were being abused.

There needs to be a change of attitude towards the victims of abuse, they need to be listened to and evidence of their abuse needs to be gathered so that their abusers can be prosecuted. And no excuses should be accepted from the authorities as to why they didn't collect evidence and act on it. Nothing, not rank, fame, ethnicity nor wealth should stand in the way of bringing such evil men to justice."

The difference here was that these were groups of the same race who openly shared their victims and sold them to others from their race. I have never heard of a group of White Englishmen that would carry out such horrific crimes against vulnerable young girls. There is a culture difference that many of you do not want to see.

You must have your eyes firmly closed. Do not organised groups of 'White Englishmen' sexual abusers of boys and girls come under the heading of horrific crimes. It's been going on for decades, including the videoing and distribution for sale of content; child pornography. There are fairly regular reports of the rings being busted. Here's an example that covers the members of one ring at the highest level of 'White Englishmen'.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10950111/The-alleged-paedophile-ring-at-the-heart-of-the-British-Establishment.html

As I wrote .....Many of you do not want to see the cultural difference.

Sharing photos and pornographic pictures by baby/ child would be abusers is vastly different from what these Pakistani Muslims were doing..

They were doing this openly with family members knowledge

You can distribute photos ,e-mails and still be anonymous.

Open YOUR eyes to the real world.

Edited September 3, 2014 by Scott
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[H1w4yR1da]

It is interesting that some members seem to think there are liberal lefties supporting this crimes. Can you point out those posts so they can be deleted and the poster dealt with by forum rules?

There are some posters who do recognize the difference between the people committing the crime and their religion and ethnicity.

Please tone done the inflammatory remarks.

Okay.

Its not that we're saying some posters 'support' these crimes as such, it's the constant obtuse deflection employed by some posters here when the perpetrators race or religion is brought up, as if it is merely a side issue. When in fact, no matter how distasteful and unsavory it is to discuss, it has been proven to be integral to the whole scandal.

That's why everyone in power in Rotherham wouldn't touch it, for fear of being labeled racist.

The cries of "What about Jimmy Saville? ", "What about Catholic priests? "What about white gangs? " lead us to believe that some are trying to lessen the severity of the crimes by mentioning that other races also engage in these acts. No one's arguing these facts but they're irrelevant to a thread on the Rotherham scandal because this is all about race and religion. Those two aspects go to the very heart of this case. The perpetrators race and religion served as protective shields allowing them to get away with this for so long. That's why an earlier 2002 report on this matter was suppressed and the reporter sent on a diversity awareness course. See today's BBC News website.

The media's PC description of the perpetrators as 'Asian' men is also a case of deflection from the real facts. They were (mostly ) British-born Muslim men of Pakistani descent. No Chinese, Malaysians or Vietnamese were involved as far as I know.

[icare999]

This is no doubt a big problem but it's amazing that some of the posters that make sensible posts on other topics turned out to be racist.

And how does criticizing a religion and the action of it's followers show someone to be racist? It's this kind of thinking that allowed Rotherham to happen in the first place.

And 'simple1'. Has it bothered you that none of your posts get a 'like' in this thread?

No.

To add...

I have not one iota of sympathy for the criminals who have carried out the crimes in the OP. Government agency staff who have failed in their duty of care should be investigated and if sufficient evidence be prosecuted with the full force of the law, including the criminals.

If UK based Imams, or others, are using language that encourages criminal activity, including terrorism, they should be prosecuted. Those going overseas to fight with the likes of IS, I would prefer to see return to their home countries and be sentenced to life in prison, not refused re-entry so they can carry on with their crimes against humanity overseas.

I do not concur with the blanket condemnation of all Muslims that is so prevalent in this forum. Posts have included called for genocide, nuclear attacks on the populations of Islamic countries, forced deportation of all Muslims etc etc etc These type of posts do get 'likes' on this forum & if my memory is correct, includes you and others in this topic.

The muslim community by alloying this and pathetic police and social workers are ones who make even most liberal person (as i used to be) want all muslims out however unfair that may be. PC idiots might want to try and suppress the halted their is but everyone I've met now loathes and hates all muslims. In past I've even left parties inn disgust when someone voices their views of what they would do to all muslims but its getting more and more and i no longer even try to defend muslims given most seem to want us dead.

This will explore for sure and their will be a mass uprising which PC lot would not believe unless very soon the Muslim community and UK throw out all muslims preaching violence or even insisting on their own schools.

Enough is enough and soon it will get very bloody and people to blame are PC lot and muslims who dont stand out against their vile fanatics and like germans in WW2 their is a real danger of unimaginable horrors

Personally I do feel in some ways parents knew and could have down more even when police and rest ignored their cries for help. If it was me and one of my daughters least id do is leave the area and probably id end up killing one of these vile scum or i hope i would

yes I'm not only angry the hatred is now reaching into me and many others

[icare999]

The truth, by definition, can not be racist.

It's true these were Pakistanis, to say otherwise is simply not the truth

It's true these were Muslims, to say otherwise is simply not the truth.

If you speak the truth then no right minded person can call you racist.

actually i dont care about being called fascist never did but then i never used to be but now i am and after seeing panorama film on this even though a lot of blame can be laid at door of Police Social workers and even parents at the end of the day it was muslims who did this and allowed to do it.

So now I'm 100% fascist against most muslims and dont care if I'm banned or prosecuted for saying what 90% + of UK are saying privately

Id even go as far as voting for total exclusion of all muslims form UK and even though i used to loathe BNP would probably vote for them even if it was just to jolt authorities out of their PC crap

[simple1]

Comments that UK media & other organisations use of the word "asians' to describe the majority of criminals in the OP is inappropriate, is this in compliance to the Equality Act 2010?

[MJP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAm53JShDAc

[MJP]

Now we have Barry Shearman Labour MP for Huddersfield telling an online Dewsbury newspaper. He was concerned this was going on in Dewsbury and Huddersfield 6 years ago. But Barry you chose to protect your backside instead of publicly expressing those concerns. West Yorks police are investigating 36 crimes.

Barry has been quite frank and open about his own failings on this. He was on Channel 4 News tonight.

He's an old family friend and I know he is a genuine decent bloke . . . even if he is Labour.

http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up/display/playlistref/020914/clipid/020914_4ON_ROTHERDISCO_02

Edited September 2, 2014 by MJP

[Mosha]

Re the vid As I said on page one. The perfect man leading by example.

Edited September 2, 2014 by Mosha

[Eliot Rosewater]

Sorry Gents but the average Brit is not reacting as you seem to hope . There is outrage at the level of incompetence and politicaly inspired interference , but not a torrent of hatred towards Muslims in general. That is testimony to the tolerance and good sense of the majority of citizens of the Uk, they are concerned about immigration , concerned about multi culturalism zealots , but largely they are not racists and bigots.

Right, as long as the victims are not "upper class" right?

As long as its working class people with little means or clout the rest of "privileged" Britain could give a toss, right?

Great job guys, scared to be termed racist but outright discrimination based on class is totally acceptable, correct?

What a wonderful country you have

[H1w4yR1da]

Comments that UK media & other organisations use of the word "asians' to describe the majority of criminals in the OP is inappropriate, is this in compliance to the Equality Act 2010?

I've no idea but at least we agree on one thing- the use of the word 'Asians' to describe the criminal is inappropriate. '(British born) Pakistani Muslims' is more appropriate.

[Mosha]

Now we have Barry Shearman Labour MP for Huddersfield telling an online Dewsbury newspaper. He was concerned this was going on in Dewsbury and Huddersfield 6 years ago. But Barry you chose to protect your backside instead of publicly expressing those concerns. West Yorks police are investigating 36 crimes.

Barry has been quite frank and open about his own failings on this. He was on Channel 4 News tonight.

He's an old family friend and I know he is a genuine decent bloke . . . even if he is Labour.

http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up/display/playlistref/020914/clipid/020914_4ON_ROTHERDISCO_02

I wish she hadn't kept interrupting him, and let him finish what he tried to say.

[Mosha]

The truth, by definition, can not be racist.

It's true these were Pakistanis, to say otherwise is simply not the truth

It's true these were Muslims, to say otherwise is simply not the truth.

If you speak the truth then no right minded person can call you racist.

actually i dont care about being called fascist never did but then i never used to be but now i am and after seeing panorama film on this even though a lot of blame can be laid at door of Police Social workers and even parents at the end of the day it was muslims who did this and allowed to do it.

So now I'm 100% fascist against most muslims and dont care if I'm banned or prosecuted for saying what 90% + of UK are saying privately

Id even go as far as voting for total exclusion of all muslims form UK and even though i used to loathe BNP would probably vote for them even if it was just to jolt authorities out of their PC crap

The problem for the BNP is. People in the majority of areas without at least a minority non muslim population won't vote for them. So at best they will pick up council seats. People need a kick in the nuts to start to vote BNP. Like my ex card carrying hard left Labour supporter friends back in Dewsbury..

[MJP]

Now we have Barry Shearman Labour MP for Huddersfield telling an online Dewsbury newspaper. He was concerned this was going on in Dewsbury and Huddersfield 6 years ago. But Barry you chose to protect your backside instead of publicly expressing those concerns. West Yorks police are investigating 36 crimes.

Barry has been quite frank and open about his own failings on this. He was on Channel 4 News tonight.

He's an old family friend and I know he is a genuine decent bloke . . . even if he is Labour.

http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up/display/playlistref/020914/clipid/020914_4ON_ROTHERDISCO_02

I wish she hadn't kept interrupting him, and let him finish what he tried to say.

Yes, it's almost impossible to watch news interviews these days. The interviewers are more interested in broadcasting their own rhetorical views than doing their jobs.

[joecoolfrog]

Eliot Rosewater

What on earth are you going on about ?