1400 children sexually exploited in UK town Rotherham: report

[MAJIC]

The report described rapes by multiple perpetrators, mainly from Britain's Pakistani community, and how children were trafficked to other towns and cities in the north of England, abducted, beaten, and intimidated.

I bet if the British media report it like that they will be charged with racism. Sometimes you just have to tell the truth and be damned.

This story should have caused the PC brigade some discomfort but I doubt it. The whole problem with political correctness is that people are too afraid to speak openly or they may be accused of racism, sexism or some other ism.

Over 1400 vulnerable kids have paid the price for these idiots not daring to point the finger at the muslim community, that's shameful.

Imagine the real figures for this type of abuse, it boggles the mind that there's so little in the media in case it causes a backlash. The social workers, care home workers, police and politicians have known about this for years but kept quiet. They should hang their heads in shame for cowardice, what has England become? A nation of pathetic cowards too afraid to speak the truth in case some minority gets offended.

We can now see the extreme damage that Political Correctness can do,effectively it has gagged people who disagreed,which was what it was intended to do!

[apiwan]

This was in rotherham i have a meet who is from Rotherham and a pakistani who now lives in london

He told me that some people did go to the police and the council and yet they failed to do anything because the main reason was they were scared to be labelled racist having said that the pakistani community over there is a close knit community outsiders don't get a looking an insider's don't tell the outsiders

Very sad situation

10 or 20 years ago maybe

It seems we're going backwards not forwards in this country

[siampolee]

The link below encapsulates the horrific state of affairs. The finger of blame does indeed in my view point unerringly at the P.C. crowd who aided and abetted these crimes by their cries of racism.

Try this link below

telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11057647/Rotherham-sex-abuse-scandal-1400-children-exploited-by-Asian-gangs-while-authorities-turned-a-blind-eye.html

[joecoolfrog]

Sorry Gents but the average Brit is not reacting as you seem to hope . There is outrage at the level of incompetence and politicaly inspired interference , but not a torrent of hatred towards Muslims in general. That is testimony to the tolerance and good sense of the majority of citizens of the Uk, they are concerned about immigration , concerned about multi culturalism zealots , but largely they are not racists and bigots.

[simple1]

Still desperately trying to find some white involvement?

UK white Brits have been convicted of involvement elsewhere with these gangs. So just pointing out that not solely Pakistanis, whilst the very large majority, carrying out terrible abuses in mixed community towns.

Edited August 27, 2014 by simple1

[Seastallion]

These criminals are being protected by anti-racism laws, and the Governments refusal to accept that the immigration policies over the last 20 years have been significantly flawed. Throw in the ludicrous EU human rights crap, which means that any prosecutions get held up for years, and these scum know they can't be deported its a total farce. It's not just police incompetence.

I think you're drawing a very long bow to state that anti-racism laws prevent the police from arresting and charging criminals of any hue. You seem to imply that should a white Brit man abuse a girl he would be dealt with promptly and soundly, but a foreigner can get away with it.

That's outrageous.

You're also implying that these scum (no argument over the label) do it because they know they will get away with it.

That's outrageous too. They are primitive scum, that's why they do it.

[H1w4yR1da]

Still desperately trying to find some white involvement?

UK white Brits have been convicted of involvement elsewhere with these gangs. So just pointing out that not solely Pakistanis, whilst the very large majority, carrying out terrible abuses in mixed community towns.

I see you edited out the 'blame the parents' part.

You'll go to any lengths to move the spotlight off the Asian perpetrators, won't you?

Disgraceful!

[jacky54]

Still desperately trying to find some white involvement?

UK white Brits have been convicted of involvement elsewhere with these gangs. So just pointing out that not solely Pakistanis, whilst the very large majority, carrying out terrible abuses in mixed community towns.

Lets have the one or two examples then. This sort of complacency and will full ignoring of the truth is the sort of attitude that let these animals get away with it for so long, 1400 girls!!! Can't really blame the perpetrators or the cause that we cannot name though right, how about this sort of thing happens everywhere? We know who has been doing this, we know what the cause is, we know why nothing was done. We also know whatever atrocities people like this commit that people like you will try to excuse it or make it sound less than it is.

Edited August 28, 2014 by jacky54

[simple1]

Still desperately trying to find some white involvement?

UK white Brits have been convicted of involvement elsewhere with these gangs. So just pointing out that not solely Pakistanis, whilst the very large majority, carrying out terrible abuses in mixed community towns.

I see you edited out the 'blame the parents' part.

You'll go to any lengths to move the spotlight off the Asian perpetrators, won't you?

Disgraceful!

No. At the same time I cannot see the point of people like you posting hate filled comments, including suggesting forced deportation, addressed to the entire Muslim community.

As I said averaging seven new victims a month over a 16 year period. I find it perplexing, given the numerous multiple attacks over many years, why the parents of the victims were unable to take measures to guide / protect their children. So, yes, I do believe the parents have some responsibility.

[Bernard Flint]

Susan Sarandon, Barbara Streisand and Rosie O'Donnell seem to be mum on this issue.

Issue not PC enough...

..and who would want to be called an Islamophobe?

i used to be totally non fascist and in my life worked with many Palestinians and other muslims and spent a lot of time in Indonesia and never felt any animosity to Muslims. However over years with vile preach ins in UK from some making it clear they would like to kill all non muslims events with ISIS and drip drip drip I'm now totally racist and want nothing to do with them.

When these scum learn to live in a civilised manner ill become non fascist again

I loathe them as do most normal liberal people i know well i loathe some of them not Palestinians who are not fanatics but many tribes are.

Time for honest decent people to stop being afraid and speak what they all are now tihnking

Well done Muslim community it takes some effort to turn me into a fascist but the actions you have allowed some ion your mist to do will I'm sorry to say bite you back very very hard

The pot is boiling and hatred of Muslims is spilling over

Notice other ethnic communities Indians, Asians, Chinese and rest cause no problems or very little but Muslims stand out as a group if people were honest most UK citizens would like to see thrown out to say least

Lets just see if the muslim community come out in force and say how despicable some muslims are against women.I think i may be dead before i here any critisism from the community,as its certainly a common practice in Pakistan

[ATF]

No. At the same time I cannot see the point of people like you posting hate filled comments, including suggesting forced deportation, addressed to the entire Muslim community.

As I said averaging seven new victims a month over a 16 year period. I find it perplexing, given the numerous multiple attacks over many years, why the parents of the victims were unable to take measures to guide / protect their children. So, yes, I do believe the parents have some responsibility.

Maybe when one of your kids is perpetually gangbanged by a pedophile ring of a particular ethnic race or religion you may feel differently.

[simple1]

No. At the same time I cannot see the point of people like you posting hate filled comments, including suggesting forced deportation, addressed to the entire Muslim community.

As I said averaging seven new victims a month over a 16 year period. I find it perplexing, given the numerous multiple attacks over many years, why the parents of the victims were unable to take measures to guide / protect their children. So, yes, I do believe the parents have some responsibility.

Maybe when one of your kids is perpetually gangbanged by a pedophile ring of a particular ethnic race or religion you may feel differently.

There have been many convicted members of pedophile rings comprised solely of caucasians, there will be many more identified and eventually convicted. Do you hate / condemn all caucasians or just caucasian pedophile criminals?

Edited August 28, 2014 by simple1

[simple1]

No. At the same time I cannot see the point of people like you posting hate filled comments, including suggesting forced deportation, addressed to the entire Muslim community.

As I said averaging seven new victims a month over a 16 year period. I find it perplexing, given the numerous multiple attacks over many years, why the parents of the victims were unable to take measures to guide / protect their children. So, yes, I do believe the parents have some responsibility.

Maybe when one of your kids is perpetually gangbanged by a pedophile ring of a particular ethnic race or religion you may feel differently.

He probably doesn't have any

Untrue, plus grandfather & uncle.

[jacky54]

There have been many convicted members of pedophile rings comprised solely of caucasians, there will be many more identified and eventually convicted. Do you hate / condemn all caucasians or just caucasian pedophile criminals?

#

Who mentioned hating anyone? The only people who hate are the ones committing this vile crime. They hate the country that gave them and their parents so many benefits, they hate non believers of their own primitive religion, they hate the host culture and they obviously hate females. Of course other races commit these appalling crimes, but that's not much consolation to the victims, or any help in stopping this very particular problem with this ethnic group and it's cause.

here's another lot then there was Bradford as well as others, it goes on wherever this particular minority lives

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/14/oxford-gang-guilty-grooming-girls

Edited August 28, 2014 by jacky54

[ATF]

There have been many convicted members of pedophile rings comprised solely of caucasians, there will be many more identified and eventually convicted. Do you hate / condemn all caucasians or just caucasian pedophile criminals?

Since 911 the West has lived under a cloud and it's way past time that cloud was blown out of the sky together with all the PC crowd sitting on it.

[H1w4yR1da]

This is no doubt a big problem but it's amazing that some of the posters that make sensible posts on other topics turned out to be racist.

And how does criticizing a religion and the action of it's followers show someone to be racist? It's this kind of thinking that allowed Rotherham to happen in the first place.

And 'simple1'. Has it bothered you that none of your posts get a 'like' in this thread?

Edited August 28, 2014 by H1w4yR1da

[nontabury]

These criminals are being protected by anti-racism laws, and the Governments refusal to accept that the immigration policies over the last 20 years have been significantly flawed. Throw in the ludicrous EU human rights crap, which means that any prosecutions get held up for years, and these scum know they can't be deported its a total farce. It's not just police incompetence.

I think you're drawing a very long bow to state that anti-racism laws prevent the police from arresting and charging criminals of any hue. You seem to imply that should a white Brit man abuse a girl he would be dealt with promptly and soundly, but a foreigner can get away with it.

That's outrageous.

You're also implying that these scum (no argument over the label) do it because they know they will get away with it.

That's outrageous too. They are primitive scum, that's why they do it.

Unfortunately they DO know that they can get away with it, this is proven by these acts taking

place in Rotherham over a period of approx 20yrs, read the report, some people did try to bring it to the attention of the relevant authorities, others were afraid in case they were accused of being racialist and anti Muslim. Lets not forget that Rotherham is not an isolated case, and it's not just about peadophiles, they were purposely targeting non-Muslim, white children. Can you imagine the uproar if it had been white men doing this to Muslim girls, the Muslim community would have been up in arms,and rightly so. Even one of the Muslim social workers has quered why only 9 men from his community have been charged.

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[ATF]

Immigrants come to Europe they want to ban Christmas, Easter and every other cultural holiday but you can still find them in the pubs.

A few years ago a Sikh girl sued the local school for banning her wearing a gold bangle. All jewelry was banned at the school to prevent theft but she got an undisclosed sum because it was a religious bangle.

These sex predator scum are just the tip of the iceberg.

[Richard W]

The prostituting of girls seems to be serious organised crime committed by dual nationals. Has anyone heard of attempts to prepare for deportation on release from prison? In particular, where Pakistani nationality can be established, the abusers need to be stripped of British citizenship before they can renounce Pakistani citizenship.

The 2006 citizenship stripping power was justified as being for serious organised crime as well as for terrorism.

[simple1]

This is no doubt a big problem but it's amazing that some of the posters that make sensible posts on other topics turned out to be racist.

And how does criticizing a religion and the action of it's followers show someone to be racist? It's this kind of thinking that allowed Rotherham to happen in the first place.

And 'simple1'. Has it bothered you that none of your posts get a 'like' in this thread?

No.

[simple1]

This is no doubt a big problem but it's amazing that some of the posters that make sensible posts on other topics turned out to be racist.

And how does criticizing a religion and the action of it's followers show someone to be racist? It's this kind of thinking that allowed Rotherham to happen in the first place.

And 'simple1'. Has it bothered you that none of your posts get a 'like' in this thread?

No.

To add...

I have not one iota of sympathy for the criminals who have carried out the crimes in the OP. Government agency staff who have failed in their duty of care should be investigated and if sufficient evidence be prosecuted with the full force of the law, including the criminals.

If UK based Imams, or others, are using language that encourages criminal activity, including terrorism, they should be prosecuted. Those going overseas to fight with the likes of IS, I would prefer to see return to their home countries and be sentenced to life in prison, not refused re-entry so they can carry on with their crimes against humanity overseas.

I do not concur with the blanket condemnation of all Muslims that is so prevalent in this forum. Posts have included called for genocide, nuclear attacks on the populations of Islamic countries, forced deportation of all Muslims etc etc etc These type of posts do get 'likes' on this forum & if my memory is correct, includes you and others in this topic.

[7by7]

From Rotherham Joint Strategic Needs Assessment website

Rotherham had 236,438 (91.9%) White British and 20,842 (8.1%) Black and Minority Ethnic (BME) residents in the 2011 Census.

The largest BME community is Pakistani & Kashmiri who numbered 7,912 in 2011 or 3.1% of the population.

http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/jsna/info/23/people/54/ethnicity_and_cultural_identity

Just 3.1 % makes it even worse, that's about 1.5% males responsible for all this abuse, animals

Shhh!

Don't quote facts here. The apologists get rather upset when they see their arguments disappearing down the drain.

Obviously, jacky54 and H1w4yR1da, neither of you are very good at maths!

5 men have been convicted; that's not 1.5% of the Muslim population of Rotherham; it's 0.06%. Of the entire Muslim population, not just the adult males.

Still too many, of course.

Lets say that the 5 are only 10% of those actually involved, that gives us 50; still just 0.6% of the entire Muslim population of Rotherham.

You want to condemn and punish the entire Muslim population of the UK for the actions of 0.6% of them!

As said, these men did not commit these evil acts because they are Muslim; they did it because they are evil, perverted men.

As for the ridiculous notion that only Muslims commit this horrendous crime; do you not read the papers?

Have you never heard of Jimmy Savile, Rolf Harris, Ian Watkins etc.? And they're only some of the high profile cases!

Have you forgotten the paedophile Catholic priests?

As ever, the racists (yes, racists, don't try and wriggle out of it) and Islamaphobes only see what their hate lets them see.

That they, and you, use the horrendous abuse of children as an excuse to spread that hate disgusts me.

Edit; and how dare you call those defending ordinary, decent, law abiding Muslims 'apologists'!

No one here has in any way shape or form imaginable posted anything which could be construed by any rational person as being apologist for this crime nor the men who committed it.

Had anyone done so, I am sure that the post would have been removed and I hope that the poster responsible would no longer be a member.

Edited August 28, 2014 by 7by7

[jacky54]

Obviously, jacky54 and H1w4yR1da, neither of you are very good at maths!

5 men have been convicted; that's not 1.5% of the Muslim population of Rotherham; it's 0.06%. Of the entire Muslim population, not just the adult males.

That's the scandal, hundreds more are sought, or are you suggesting that 5 men abused 1400 children? The disgrace is that HUNDREDS of Pakistani men got away with raping children in one town alone due to the fear of the authorities being labelled racist if they did anything to prevent or prosecute. A more damning indictment of modern Britain is hard to imagine. Yet here two people are desperate to put a positive spin on this filth.

Nobody has claimed only Muslims abuse children, but there is obviously a huge problem with them operating in gangs to rape children of a religion and race other than their own. If white gangs were raping Muslims kids we would be seeing a very different reaction from the parents of the abused, riots and deaths would be almost a certainty.

Edited August 28, 2014 by jacky54

[ATF]

I know some people here are trying their best to avoid stereotyping but this sort of thing happens everyday on the Indian Sub Continent with honour killings, acid attacks, maiming, genital mutilation etc. Wasn't a girl blown up on the steps of a Pakistani courthouse just a few weeks ago?

These people not only degrade women but reduce them to animals whilst denying them basic education.

It's a cultural and religious stereotype but seems to be more true than not.

[anon676545345]

Disgusting animals! People wonder why I don't want to go back to the UK, a place run by spineless PC arsewipes forcing multiculturalism down our throats and labeling anyone who disagrees racist. It's common sense look at the culture in muslim countries it's not exactly something to be admired or emulated, there is no positive influence from the muslim community they don’t integrate and only have interest in advancing their own cause.

[jacky54]

Almost forgot Leicester where a woman in the Highfields area had her house raided a few years back- for having pot pigs in her window after complaints from guess who. I know several daft lefty types who lived in the area all in favour of multiculturalism, until they and their daughters were accosted on the streets and accused of being prostitutes by Muslim men, they have all moved out of the City. These 5 were, like elsewhere the tip of the iceberg

http://www.5pillarz.com/2013/09/03/tensions-rise-in-leicester-after-five-muslims-jailed-for-raping-sikh-girl/

Edited August 28, 2014 by jacky54

[BobCru]

Sorry Gents but the average Brit is not reacting as you seem to hope . There is outrage at the level of incompetence and politicaly inspired interference , but not a torrent of hatred towards Muslims in general. That is testimony to the tolerance and good sense of the majority of citizens of the Uk, they are concerned about immigration , concerned about multi culturalism zealots , but largely they are not racists and bigots.

'Tolerance' i.e. turning a blind eye and accepting ones fate, is part of what has got us in this mess in the first place. I'm from Yorkshire and trust me, the average person is angry and it's all people are talking about. It's not racist to acknowledge the incompatibility of certain cultures, it can't even be denied as there is evidence of the complete lack of integration in just about every English City

Edited August 28, 2014 by BobCru

[H1w4yR1da]

And its not just white girls being victimised. It appears any girl of a differing religion will do.

http://www.5pillarz.com/2013/09/03/tensions-rise-in-leicester-after-five-muslims-jailed-for-raping-sikh-girl/

"It follows disquiet among Sikhs in the Midlands over alleged sex crimes against youngsters by organised gangs operating a network of contacts and premises to carry out abuse."

Ring a bell?

Edited August 28, 2014 by H1w4yR1da

[Scott]

An inflammatory post has been removed.

[Cambodger]

Sorry Gents but the average Brit is not reacting as you seem to hope . There is outrage at the level of incompetence and politicaly inspired interference , but not a torrent of hatred towards Muslims in general. That is testimony to the tolerance and good sense of the majority of citizens of the Uk, they are concerned about immigration , concerned about multi culturalism zealots , but largely they are not racists and bigots.

'Tolerance' i.e. turning a blind eye and accepting ones fate, is part of what has got us in this mess in the first place. I'm from Yorkshire and trust me, the average person is angry and it's all people are talking about. It's not racist to acknowledge the incompatibility of certain cultures, it can't even be denied as there is evidence of the complete lack of integration in just about every English City

I think he got his assessment of public opinion/ reaction from watching BBC news.