Does Britain have a jihadi problem?

[MJP]

Do we really have to keep supporting evil like this with our punitive taxation?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/31/cnn-host-stunned-when-radical-muslim-cleric-makes-911-joke-during-soundcheck/

The conversation abruptly ended when Stelter said, “here’s what bothers me: when we were setting up for our interview here, the audio engineer asked you to count to ten to check the mic, and you started to do that — but then you said 9/11, 7/7, 3/11. Is this all some sort of joke to you?”

“You know,” Choudary said, “if you had a sense of humor, you would have laughed at that. It was just a soundcheck. You shouldn’t take any of these things that seriously. If you want to make it a big deal, then do so, but it makes you look much more shallow, really.”

“I have nothing more to say,” Stelter responded.

EDIT: Watch the video in the link. Choudary confirms Islam is Islam and there is no extremist form of Islam. There is only Islam.

Edited August 31, 2014 by MJP

[Loptr]

Does the UK have a Jihadi problem, most assuredly...

Do Brits think they have a multiculturalism problem? It seems so...

[MJP]

Does the UK have a Jihadi problem, most assuredly...

Do Brits think they have a multiculturalism problem? It seems so...

I'm not bothered about people from other cultures living in the UK so long as they work, pay tax and abide by UK law. Well, maybe not even that far. Rastafarians are a part of UK culture and I have no issue with them smoking pot to be honest. So what? Hell, even if people can't speak English it's not a bother. Many of my best friends are Polish, Romanian, Bulgarian, Indian and we all get on great.

[Thai at Heart]

The Muslim Council of Britain have regularly condemned extremists; including Anjem Choudary.

Oh dear you will be telling us next Islam is a religion pf peace, have you never heard of taqiya? Muslims are allowed to lie when they are in a minority to promote their cause and to smooth things over. Why have you brought Jews into this thread, it has nothing to do with them. From the religion of 'peace'.com site

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances,taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

Actually, the western culture teaches the use of lying to "smooth over differences" and practices a variety of approved forms of lying as well. Ever heard of "the little white lie"? And what is the acceptable answer when your wife asks "Does my bum look too big in this"? Or, more seriously, what does the physician say when confronted by the question:"So, is it terminal doc? How long have I got?"

Clearly your post infers that you are indeed a knowledgeable student of Islam - and as I am not, perhaps you would be so kind as to refer me to the section of the Quran where it says lying is approved under those circumstances that:

"typically .. advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them".

This seems very odd to me, however in deference to your scholarship, I will of course scrutinise the source you provide with care.

I must have missed the "lying is good" lesson.

[simple1]

YES!!! Over the past several years in England the militants etc. have hidden behind the protection of the governments "politically correct" agenda. "Do not say anything to offend them", we are multicultural, why is it though that in their country there is no such thing as multicultural? well, it is too late, they have taken over I am sad to say.

p.s. It is a well known fact that by the year 2021 their will be enough muslims in the uk to vote in an islamic government....

Current Muslim population of all ages in the UK is around 5%, so how will their be sufficient numbers of eligable Muslim voters by 2021 to vote in an 'Islamic government'.

It has been estimated Muslims in the UK will grow to approx 10% of the population by 2050.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-will-britain-have-a-muslim-majority-by-2050/13690

Mohammed is now the most common christian name in Britain.

Mohammed? A Christian name? A Muslim name, more like. How can a Muslim have a Christian name? What an (oxy)moron!

I think you mean a 'first name' or 'given name' which is far more appropriate.

The claim that Mohammed is now the most common first name in Britain has been refuted and proven to be a lie.

Edited September 1, 2014 by simple1

[H1w4yR1da]

But when they do the Islamaphobes either cry 'too little' or simply say they are lying!

Thats the second recent post where you have used the term 'Islamophobes' as if it's some kind of insult. But it's like calling someone an anti-nazi.

And another 'surprise'!

IS linked to Birmingham schools.

http://www.britainfirst.org/?p=24984

Edited September 1, 2014 by H1w4yR1da

[simple1]

Do we really have to keep supporting evil like this with our punitive taxation?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/31/cnn-host-stunned-when-radical-muslim-cleric-makes-911-joke-during-soundcheck/

The conversation abruptly ended when Stelter said, “here’s what bothers me: when we were setting up for our interview here, the audio engineer asked you to count to ten to check the mic, and you started to do that — but then you said 9/11, 7/7, 3/11. Is this all some sort of joke to you?”

“You know,” Choudary said, “if you had a sense of humor, you would have laughed at that. It was just a soundcheck. You shouldn’t take any of these things that seriously. If you want to make it a big deal, then do so, but it makes you look much more shallow, really.”

“I have nothing more to say,” Stelter responded.

EDIT: Watch the video in the link. Choudary confirms Islam is Islam and there is no extremist form of Islam. There is only Islam.

Is Choudary's claim supported across the Islamic world, the answer is 'No' Very recently been refuted by a number of Islamic leaders e.g. the PM of Malaysia, President of Indonesia, King of Saudi Arabia. President of Eygpt, President of Algeria, the most senior cleric in Saudi Arabia and so on.

[Mosha]

But when they do the Islamaphobes either cry 'too little' or simply say they are lying!

Thats the second recent post where you have used the term 'Islamophobes' as if it's some kind of insult. But it's like calling someone an anti-nazi.

And another 'surprise'!

IS linked to Birmingham schools.

http://www.britainfirst.org/?p=24984

'Insert word phobes it's a pc term for to stifle debate

Edited September 1, 2014 by Mosha

[Cambodger]

I don't want them to integrate with any of them and the truth is they don't want to integrate with us either which i understand its perfectly normal, they can never be British and why should they want to be.

Same as none of us could ever become Thai and to try to do so would be ridiculous, embarrassing and demeaning, a bit like those awkward pics of farang in a traditional Thai silk suit at the Issan wedding, it just doesn't work.

Two subspecies of the same species have never been able to share the same habitat and that includes human, wherever they try its always blighted with problems as they separate and struggle for dominance. Just ask the average thai how they feel about farang dominant areas.

Best to keep them in ghettos unless they are married into a indigenous family, it makes the job easier when the tipping point comes and we need to get rid of them.

[boomerangutang]

Do we really have to keep supporting evil like this with our punitive taxation?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/31/cnn-host-stunned-when-radical-muslim-cleric-makes-911-joke-during-soundcheck/

The conversation abruptly ended when Stelter said, heres what bothers me: when we were setting up for our interview here, the audio engineer asked you to count to ten to check the mic, and you started to do that but then you said 9/11, 7/7, 3/11. Is this all some sort of joke to you?

You know, Choudary said, if you had a sense of humor, you would have laughed at that. It was just a soundcheck. You shouldnt take any of these things that seriously. If you want to make it a big deal, then do so, but it makes you look much more shallow, really.

I have nothing more to say, Stelter responded.

EDIT: Watch the video in the link. Choudary confirms Islam is Islam and there is no extremist form of Islam. There is only Islam.

Is Choudary's claim supported across the Islamic world, the answer is 'No' Very recently been refuted by a number of Islamic leaders e.g. the PM of Malaysia, President of Indonesia, King of Saudi Arabia. President of Eygpt, President of Algeria, the most senior cleric in Saudi Arabia and so on.

I'll gauge a man by his actions more than by his words. It's easy to say, 'Islam is a religion of peace.' It's also easy to shout 'allah akbar while slicing off a reporter's head.' If Islam elders, Immans, PM's, whatever - aren't actively/dynamically trying to snuff out the extremists, then they're part of the problem.

[boomerangutang]

Here's a plan: moderate Islamists can start another sect of Islam and call it Aslim, to distance themselves from blood-thirsty radicals who have co-opted the label 'Islam'. However, a few things would then happen: radical sects would form within Aslim, because the basic religion is flawed by being based on vengance. vindictiveness, and hatred of all who have different belief systems. And all rivals, including Shi-ites, Sunni's and others would declare war against Aslim, as that is their wont. No matter that no sect will ever win a war against another, all sects will declare war on all heathens (deists and non-deists) who are outside Allah's control.

.....oh wait a cottonpickinminute, that's already happening. Sorry. Forget what I just suggested.

Will be interesting if/when Muslim fanaticism comes up against N.Korean idolatry. Any bets on who will win? N. Koreans currently have more nuclear bombs than Muslim countries, with the possible exception of Pakistan. Should be a mess, no matter who's left standing after the mushroom clouds dissipate.

[arjunadawn]

@ Sustento

Your attachments are laughable to say the least.

These Imam's cannot be taken seriously, regardless of what they say, until they start publicly naming and shaming all the bampots that have been clearly identified in all the videos and pictures that have been published.

Then laugh away. The reason I don't usually take part in threads like this (apart from sprinkling the occasional fact amongst the froth) is that people like you wouldn't be willing to change your mind one iota even if every Muslim in the UK made a pilgrimage to your house, prostrated themselves on your doorstep and apologised to you personally.

I'm not laughing.

It is far too serious for that.

If people like the poster you reply to would not change their mind "one iota," why would you roll a rock uphill and sprinkle your wisdom on that person? Really; what is your motivation? If not to try to induce reason or change in another than your effort must be to provoke; is this right @Sustento?

Wow! I am unsure what is sicker, that which we discuss on this thread or your brutal indifference. For contrast, some of us here would like to sway a point of view that may be wavering with indecision. The height of the mountain you labor to roll your rock up is so high that "if every Muslim in the UK made a pilgrimage to [your] house, prostrated themselves on your doorstep and apologised [sic] to [you] personally" you would still enter this forum thread to sprinkle an "occasional fact." Your effort to ridicule the poster with the previous quote does not achieve what you suspect it might.

By the way, with varying ideologies, such as this one, once their power drunkenness begins (attained authority), the first people who are hung or shot are the apologists, the hangers-on, because they linger around the periphery, giddy, excited with naivete for their new masters, yet had previously been tolerated as useful tools by the nascent ideology.

[jacky54]

The claim that Mohammed is now the most common first name in Britain has been refuted and proven to be a lie.

But the claim that Mohammed was a liar, a murderer and a child abuser is not a lie, and he is at the heart of the problem.

[arjunadawn]

Do we really have to keep supporting evil like this with our punitive taxation?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/31/cnn-host-stunned-when-radical-muslim-cleric-makes-911-joke-during-soundcheck/

The conversation abruptly ended when Stelter said, “here’s what bothers me: when we were setting up for our interview here, the audio engineer asked you to count to ten to check the mic, and you started to do that — but then you said 9/11, 7/7, 3/11. Is this all some sort of joke to you?”

“You know,” Choudary said, “if you had a sense of humor, you would have laughed at that. It was just a soundcheck. You shouldn’t take any of these things that seriously. If you want to make it a big deal, then do so, but it makes you look much more shallow, really.”

“I have nothing more to say,” Stelter responded.

EDIT: Watch the video in the link. Choudary confirms Islam is Islam and there is no extremist form of Islam. There is only Islam.

Is Choudary's claim supported across the Islamic world, the answer is 'No' Very recently been refuted by a number of Islamic leaders e.g. the PM of Malaysia, President of Indonesia, King of Saudi Arabia. President of Eygpt, President of Algeria, the most senior cleric in Saudi Arabia and so on.

You ask the question "Is Choudary's claim supported across the Islamic world" because you know he could not answer this directly. You then employ the same question to yourself (his inability to muster a poll to support your asinine question) and answer "No." You have no more access to anbody of information supporting your point then the ridiculous question you pose, but you presume he does not. How utterly childish.

However, reasonable minds can infer facts from both observation and omission. I don't need to go into considerable depth to demonstrate that the majority of the muslim world is actively or passively silent, it makes no matter which, and that this, after so many years in the morass now, constitutes willful endorsement of radical islam as the mainstream; indeed, it is the moderates who increasingly reveal they are actually apostates to Islam. When one then looks at the various regional polls for supporting sharia, condoning jihad, etc., a fuller picture emerges which renders your point of view child-like. Choudary does represent the majority of the muslim world.

You cite the grand mufti, a man of dubious moral authority. Search videos and fatwas; if he is in your defense team, good luck. Which president of Egypt? The current one who fought tooth and nail to oust a democratically elected president of evil? The bubbling, frothy, percolating politics of the muslim world from which Choudary draws his inspiration is a cauldron of nonstop supremacy vying for power over others. The King of Saudi Arabia? Really? They fund the largest, consistent cells of terrorism in the world. If you don't understand the mechanics involved, ok, but you cant present one facet of something as you wish it to be. Saudi Arabia is the primary founder of terrorism in the world today, and the largest exporter of salafist/whahabbi type radical Islam.

[transam]

[Loptr]

Does the UK have a Jihadi problem, most assuredly...

Do Brits think they have a multiculturalism problem? It seems so...

I'm not bothered about people from other cultures living in the UK so long as they work, pay tax and abide by UK law. Well, maybe not even that far. Rastafarians are a part of UK culture and I have no issue with them smoking pot to be honest. So what? Hell, even if people can't speak English it's not a bother. Many of my best friends are Polish, Romanian, Bulgarian, Indian and we all get on great.

I agree, although some culture integrate better than others... Some don't play well with others as they are intolerant of other cultures and demand that their hosts bend to their demands... Do I really need to say it?

[jacky54]

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Funny thing is they never had a problem selling booze, and pornography from their corner shops when i lived there. I know a well known Muslim in Bangkok who likes to get pissed and his mrs likes a drink and goes around in sexy shorts, pity more Muslims are not like them!

Edited September 1, 2014 by jacky54

[jacky54]

This thread is about jihadists in the UK and NOT about Jews in Israel

[H1w4yR1da]

But I refuse to become such a sheep that I cannot distinguish between human beings; to tar a whole people with the brush of hate because of some fanatics.

'Some fanatics' seem to have a large following in certain countries. I think we can guess which segment of the population supports IS.

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/26/6067123/isis-poll

Edited September 1, 2014 by H1w4yR1da

[CBR250]

But I refuse to become such a sheep that I cannot distinguish between human beings; to tar a whole people with the brush of hate because of some fanatics.

'Some fanatics' seem to have a large following in certain countries. I think we can guess which segment of the population supports IS.

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/26/6067123/isis-poll

I have said in other posts that I abhor IS / ISIS. I deplore their behaviour. I detest their actions. Is that clear enough for you?

But that does not mean I will join the sheeple who are so easily wound up by a bit of kindergarten propaganda.

[transam]

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I should have added, this attack was videoed, I could have put it here but..........

The guy was bottled and had twenty odd stitches in his face. He is an American student.

On the bright side, all these shit cowards faces are clearly seen and the cops are onto rounding them up , it is England and for sure they will be nabbed.

[Steely Dan]

Do we really have to keep supporting evil like this with our punitive taxation?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/31/cnn-host-stunned-when-radical-muslim-cleric-makes-911-joke-during-soundcheck/

The conversation abruptly ended when Stelter said, “here’s what bothers me: when we were setting up for our interview here, the audio engineer asked you to count to ten to check the mic, and you started to do that — but then you said 9/11, 7/7, 3/11. Is this all some sort of joke to you?”

“You know,” Choudary said, “if you had a sense of humor, you would have laughed at that. It was just a soundcheck. You shouldn’t take any of these things that seriously. If you want to make it a big deal, then do so, but it makes you look much more shallow, really.”

“I have nothing more to say,” Stelter responded.

EDIT: Watch the video in the link. Choudary confirms Islam is Islam and there is no extremist form of Islam. There is only Islam.

Is Choudary's claim supported across the Islamic world, the answer is 'No' Very recently been refuted by a number of Islamic leaders e.g. the PM of Malaysia, President of Indonesia, King of Saudi Arabia. President of Eygpt, President of Algeria, the most senior cleric in Saudi Arabia and so on.

I have already mentioned the opinion poll in Saudi Arabia where 92% of respondents considered ISIS to be true to Islamic law and values, which doesn't say much for the influence of the senior cleric you mention. As for Mr Choudary, he is a buffoon, but also a dangerous buffoon for the suit and tie Jihaddists and their Taqiyya because he comes right out with exactly what the Koran says on the tin.

Edited September 1, 2014 by Steely Dan

[simple1]

Do we really have to keep supporting evil like this with our punitive taxation?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/31/cnn-host-stunned-when-radical-muslim-cleric-makes-911-joke-during-soundcheck/

The conversation abruptly ended when Stelter said, “here’s what bothers me: when we were setting up for our interview here, the audio engineer asked you to count to ten to check the mic, and you started to do that — but then you said 9/11, 7/7, 3/11. Is this all some sort of joke to you?”

“You know,” Choudary said, “if you had a sense of humor, you would have laughed at that. It was just a soundcheck. You shouldn’t take any of these things that seriously. If you want to make it a big deal, then do so, but it makes you look much more shallow, really.”

“I have nothing more to say,” Stelter responded.

EDIT: Watch the video in the link. Choudary confirms Islam is Islam and there is no extremist form of Islam. There is only Islam.

Is Choudary's claim supported across the Islamic world, the answer is 'No' Very recently been refuted by a number of Islamic leaders e.g. the PM of Malaysia, President of Indonesia, King of Saudi Arabia. President of Eygpt, President of Algeria, the most senior cleric in Saudi Arabia and so on.

You ask the question "Is Choudary's claim supported across the Islamic world" because you know he could not answer this directly. You then employ the same question to yourself (his inability to muster a poll to support your asinine question) and answer "No." You have no more access to anbody of information supporting your point then the ridiculous question you pose, but you presume he does not. How utterly childish.

However, reasonable minds can infer facts from both observation and omission. I don't need to go into considerable depth to demonstrate that the majority of the muslim world is actively or passively silent, it makes no matter which, and that this, after so many years in the morass now, constitutes willful endorsement of radical islam as the mainstream; indeed, it is the moderates who increasingly reveal they are actually apostates to Islam. When one then looks at the various regional polls for supporting sharia, condoning jihad, etc., a fuller picture emerges which renders your point of view child-like. Choudary does represent the majority of the muslim world.

You cite the grand mufti, a man of dubious moral authority. Search videos and fatwas; if he is in your defense team, good luck. Which president of Egypt? The current one who fought tooth and nail to oust a democratically elected president of evil? The bubbling, frothy, percolating politics of the muslim world from which Choudary draws his inspiration is a cauldron of nonstop supremacy vying for power over others. The King of Saudi Arabia? Really? They fund the largest, consistent cells of terrorism in the world. If you don't understand the mechanics involved, ok, but you cant present one facet of something as you wish it to be. Saudi Arabia is the primary founder of terrorism in the world today, and the largest exporter of salafist/whahabbi type radical Islam.

Should have been more precise, people I was referred to were publically rejecting the Islamic State goals & activities.

You're the self proclaimed expert, but personally I reject your opinion that people like Choudhry represent the thoughts and aspirations of the majority of the Muslim world.

[arjunadawn]

Is Choudary's claim supported across the Islamic world, the answer is 'No' Very recently been refuted by a number of Islamic leaders e.g. the PM of Malaysia, President of Indonesia, King of Saudi Arabia. President of Eygpt, President of Algeria, the most senior cleric in Saudi Arabia and so on.

You ask the question "Is Choudary's claim supported across the Islamic world" because you know he could not answer this directly. You then employ the same question to yourself (his inability to muster a poll to support your asinine question) and answer "No." You have no more access to anbody of information supporting your point then the ridiculous question you pose, but you presume he does not. How utterly childish.

However, reasonable minds can infer facts from both observation and omission. I don't need to go into considerable depth to demonstrate that the majority of the muslim world is actively or passively silent, it makes no matter which, and that this, after so many years in the morass now, constitutes willful endorsement of radical islam as the mainstream; indeed, it is the moderates who increasingly reveal they are actually apostates to Islam. When one then looks at the various regional polls for supporting sharia, condoning jihad, etc., a fuller picture emerges which renders your point of view child-like. Choudary does represent the majority of the muslim world.

You cite the grand mufti, a man of dubious moral authority. Search videos and fatwas; if he is in your defense team, good luck. Which president of Egypt? The current one who fought tooth and nail to oust a democratically elected president of evil? The bubbling, frothy, percolating politics of the muslim world from which Choudary draws his inspiration is a cauldron of nonstop supremacy vying for power over others. The King of Saudi Arabia? Really? They fund the largest, consistent cells of terrorism in the world. If you don't understand the mechanics involved, ok, but you cant present one facet of something as you wish it to be. Saudi Arabia is the primary founder of terrorism in the world today, and the largest exporter of salafist/whahabbi type radical Islam.

Should have been more precise, people I was referred to were publically rejecting the Islamic State goals & activities.

You're the self proclaimed expert, but personally I reject your opinion that people like Choudhry represent the thoughts and aspirations of the majority of the Muslim world.

Ok, we all post things we think later could have been better phrased; I get that. Am I really a self proclaimed expert [on Islamic matters/Jihad] or do I have strong opinions like you and others, but work harder (or think I do) to support my point?

Well, I am a amateur student of world religions (trying to get my doctorate in RS) and having my profession seat me in the Islamic world their religion became the focus of my curiosity. Not my personal cup of tea, nor could I avoid the daily observations even I preferred Vedanta. My observations about jihad build on this personal observation of daily life and religious practice. I never said I am an expert. I have said I have spent the better part of my adult life in counter terrorism and instruction throughout the Islamic world. But my observations come from the religious studies of Islamic expansion and "Divine" Mandate (I just realized the irony of this point), not a subject matter expert in CT or Trends in International Terrorism.

Brother, you don't have to agree with me. Really. I am not being condescending. My world would be just like those I oppose if I needed others to agree with me. I would love to see hear a growing chorus of core Islam reject what they oppose in silence. If I were wrong on this point it would be super great. I have two children whom I fear for the future. In my estimation, the future practically looks like some MadMax disintegration of all the edifices of the western world, should I be correct. I pray I am mistaken and you are correct.

Edit: Btw, it is really not necessary that he represent some hair splitting majority and 51% or so for my view. You are probably saying that lots of folks reject his kind of talk and I am saying lots of folks support his speech. Ok, but when we are talking about 1.3 billion muslims any percentage supporting him less than 50% is still terrifying. IMO, a majority does support him, but if I conceded to you the majority, and kept the minority, say 30% for my point of view to be asserted as an issue of concern, even 20%, then this is still a horrifying number. This number alone equals the people in the USA. This really is a very big issue emerging. Most governments in history have been overthrown by determined minorities (I am unsure where I pulled that from). Minorities, because by virtue of being squeaky wheels, often get oil.

Edited September 1, 2014 by arjunadawn

[chuckd]

Current Muslim population of all ages in the UK is around 5%, so how will their be sufficient numbers of eligable Muslim voters by 2021 to vote in an 'Islamic government'.

It has been estimated Muslims in the UK will grow to approx 10% of the population by 2050.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-will-britain-have-a-muslim-majority-by-2050/13690

Mohammed is now the most common christian name in Britain.

Mohammed? A Christian name? A Muslim name, more like. How can a Muslim have a Christian name? What an (oxy)moron!

I think you mean a 'first name' or 'given name' which is far more appropriate.

The claim that Mohammed is now the most common first name in Britain has been refuted and proven to be a lie.

You are correct only in the purest sense of being correct.

The name as spelled by you, Mohammed, is not the number one name of newborn infant boys in the UK. The name, Oliver, takes the number one spot.

However, there are various forms of spelling the name of Mohammed.

If the three most popular spellings are combined, the Muslim name exceeds the number of Olivers,

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Royal birth propels George into the top 10 baby names

By John Bingham, Social Affairs Editor11:30AM BST 15 Aug 2014

His birth pushed Prince Harry one place down the line of royal succession and now the arrival of Prince George appears to have helped knock his uncle's name off the top of the nation’s most popular baby names.

<snip>

If the three most popular spellings for Mohammed are combined they would easily eclipse Oliver as the most popular boy’s name overall.

When the findings are divided by region Mohammed also emerges as the most popular boy’s name in the West Midlands while in London Muhammad was in the top spot.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-george/11036424/Royal-birth-propels-George-into-the-top-10-baby-names.html

[anon676545345]

I'm not to keen on any religion hinging a lifestyle on what someone wrote in a book a couple of thousand years ago that is supposed to represent what some guy who said he was a messenger from god said seems strange to me. As far as I can see all religions seem to cover the same precepts of morality one would think that whilst thousands of people were in the process of killing each other over who has the most peaceful religion or which version of a similar book was correct the all knowing almighty might come down and say listen you absolute retards can you stop raping and murdering each other and blaming it on me. Instead strangely enough the side with the most resources, weapons and men seems to win so obviously god must like the people with the most guns best.

I prefer being free not to have to repeatedly read a disinteresting version of ancient propaganda or listen to some nutter give his interpretation of the contents, I like living in a culture where women can get an education, where women can go out in short skirts without getting stoned to death, where I can go out and enjoy a cold alcoholic beverage and chat up the women in short skirts, then the next day enjoy a bacon sandwich. A society where two consenting gentlemen can bugger the sh@t out of each other without being bothered by nutty god botheres.

[MJP]

I'm not to keen on any religion hinging a lifestyle on what someone wrote in a book a couple of thousand years ago that is supposed to represent what some guy who said he was a messenger from god said seems strange to me. As far as I can see all religions seem to cover the same precepts of morality one would think that whilst thousands of people were in the process of killing each other over who has the most peaceful religion or which version of a similar book was correct the all knowing almighty might come down and say listen you absolute retards can you stop raping and murdering each other and blaming it on me. Instead strangely enough the side with the most resources, weapons and men seems to win so obviously god must like the people with the most guns best.

I prefer being free not to have to repeatedly read a disinteresting version of ancient propaganda or listen to some nutter give his interpretation of the contents, I like living in a culture where women can get an education, where women can go out in short skirts without getting stoned to death, where I can go out and enjoy a cold alcoholic beverage and chat up the women in short skirts, then the next day enjoy a bacon sandwich. A society where two consenting gentlemen can bugger the sh@t out of each other without being bothered by nutty god botheres.

I'm not keen either, but have no issue with people believing whatever they like. What I do take issue with is others threatening to cut my head off because I don't worship their particular choice of imaginary sky bully.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies deleted. Oh, and yes, the topic is not about Israel...or Gaza.

[7by7]

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I should have added, this attack was videoed, I could have put it here but..........

The guy was bottled and had twenty odd stitches in his face. He is an American student.

On the bright side, all these shit cowards faces are clearly seen and the cops are onto rounding them up , it is England and for sure they will be nabbed.

Already brought up, already commented upon.

This again!

No link, no mention of the source, no mention of the date!

Yes, that incident did happen, but not as recently as you are trying to claim by saying 'this again'; it was, like similar incidents, nearly a year ago.

I don't know whether or not these particular thugs have been caught yet; but these so called patrols are treated seriously by the police and courts and condemned by local mosques.

‘Muslim Patrol’ Sent to Jail for Enforcing Sharia Law in London Streets

"The East London Mosque has condemned the “Muslim Patrols” and stated that it is committed to maintaining cooperation and harmony between communities in the area."

Do try and keep up.

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But I refuse to become such a sheep that I cannot distinguish between human beings; to tar a whole people with the brush of hate because of some fanatics.

'Some fanatics' seem to have a large following in certain countries. I think we can guess which segment of the population supports IS.

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/26/6067123/isis-poll

I have said in other posts that I abhor IS / ISIS. I deplore their behaviour. I detest their actions. Is that clear enough for you?

But that does not mean I will join the sheeple who are so easily wound up by a bit of kindergarten propaganda.

The sheeple wont listen to reason, CBR250.

The simple fact that you, and I, believe that the majority of Muslims are ordinary people whose only desire is to live in peace and get on with their lives, the same as the rest of us, and do not support the fanatics means, in the sheeple's minds, that we are a supporters of and apologists for Islamic terrorists and Muslim child abusers.

Such is the working of their closed minds; they simply cannot see the difference.

After all, we are talking about people who complain that Muslims don't publicly reject terrorists, jihadists, child abusers; yet when they are shown that Muslim communities, clerics and representatives do publicly reject those evils, claim that they are lying!

Edited September 1, 2014 by 7by7