Elephant Birth in Thailand - This is wrong

[StealthEnergiser]

[Costas2008]

OP, I agree with you, this is very wrong.

I would have hoped for all these people involved to have tighten their wives when they were giving birth to their children, and keep pocking them with sticks and shouting at them, and then do not allow them to approach their babies.

And we call ourselves humans, with some intelligence and feelings.

I am disgusted.

[Thongkorn]

At first glance , i would say i am disgusted, but WE don't know if the Elephant had any young before, Maybe she had and killed the infant, maybe there is a problem with the baby. who knows, But maybe the baby elephant is made to believe that the mawhut is his /her parent, its easier to control the Elephant if that is so. But don't judge until you know all the facts.

[StealthEnergiser]

Why restrain the elephant I am no expert but this elephant has certainly suffered giving birth it should not be that way .

Wouldn't it be better to allow it to give birth naturally. IT is DISGUSTING to look at.

[Thongkorn]

Why restrain the elephant I am no expert but this elephant has certainly suffered giving birth it should not be that way .

Wouldn't it be better to allow it to give birth naturally. IT is DISGUSTING to look at.

Tell me how do you restrain an Elephant intent on killing its offspring, if that's the case you don't know whats the reason for being teethed. Elephants give birth Standing anyway.

[StealthEnergiser]

Why restrain the elephant I am no expert but this elephant has certainly suffered giving birth it should not be that way .

Wouldn't it be better to allow it to give birth naturally. IT is DISGUSTING to look at.

Tell me how do you restrain an Elephant intent on killing its offspring, if that's the case you don't know whats the reason for being teethed. Elephants give birth Standing anyway.

I don't know why it is restrained or if this normal practice for thailand it would be nice to hear from some experts but i am sure there would be a more humane way to do it.

[Thongkorn]

They do tether Elephants because the can get agitated when they have a young, The natural instinct is to keep animals away until the baby can stand,

[Johpa]

Looks to me like a group that is intent in insuring the newborn is not harmed by the mother and that the baby is well taken care of during the critical first minutes after birth. The elephant I use to own rejected its first born at birth and without human intervention over the first few days the baby would have died. It also appears to maybe taking place in Surin where there is good local knowledge. So don't anthropomorphize too much here.

[Thongkorn]

Looks to me like a group that is intent in insuring the newborn is not harmed by the mother and that the baby is well taken care of during the critical first minutes after birth. The elephant I use to own rejected its first born at birth and without human intervention over the first few days the baby would have died. It also appears to maybe taking place in Surin where there is good local knowledge. So don't anthropomorphize too much here.

The baby born was a boy, its mother has killed a baby before They intend to re introduce the baby if a few days when the Mother has come down a bit, all this taken from the

Thais who are speaking on the Video.

[NeverSure]

What I see is rather loud and raucous, but the Thais seem to have a purpose. They certainly are intent on getting that baby away from the mother as soon as it hits the ground. They must have a reason.

They are really taking good care of the baby in rubbing it down and even petting it. Then they put down straw for the baby. The whole group is working very hard and intently.

I don't see the mother "viciously" beaten. I just see her being controlled so they can get the baby away from her.

It looks like the Thais are afraid of the mother, and afraid for the baby, and are piling on to make it all happen. Who am I to judge?

[StealthEnergiser]

I still can't imagine this being done at a respectable zoo such as Taronga in sydney.

Also it is clear the elepehant is in distress and does not want humans there, the same as we don't want elephant's assisting human births .

[mesquite]

They probably would.

Apparently elephants in captivity often reject their young as strangers, if the link below is true.

My guess is the Thais in the video above were trying to ensure the mother did not kill her newborn.

http://www.vocativ.com/culture/society/tears-and-online-anger-after-not-one-but-two-elephant-moms-attack-their-newborns-blame-zoos/

[NeverSure]

In the wild, elephant births are a group thing with other females assisting. Even the young females are involved. Elephants are quite smart and from this they learn how to birth and care for a baby.

But if they are alone in a zoo and don't witness or participate in births, the whole thing is frightening and unusual to them and they often kill their babies, not understanding what happened to them.

The only thing I can think of and I don't know if it would work would be if the Thais had given the mother a mild sedative to calm her during the birth. She may have had no idea that she was giving birth, but rather have felt under attack. She might have seen the baby as an attacker. Even if she was sedated she might not have known how to stimulate the baby to breathing, as in the wild this would have been done by other females.

I think we are being too harsh and that the Thais were trying to be the other mothers and take care of the baby as is done in nature. They stood it up, stimulated it to breathing, cleaned it off, petted it and found it some straw.

Someone said that this very mother had killed an earlier baby.

[h90]

Looks to me like a group that is intent in insuring the newborn is not harmed by the mother and that the baby is well taken care of during the critical first minutes after birth. The elephant I use to own rejected its first born at birth and without human intervention over the first few days the baby would have died. It also appears to maybe taking place in Surin where there is good local knowledge. So don't anthropomorphize too much here.

elephants would die out without human help.....they should send the army into the jungle to help them get their babies born......

Cows can have it, pigs can have it, rats can have it....only these silly elephants....

[StealthEnergiser]

With the amount of people screaming and hitting with spikes and stick makes it distressed to start with , sorry but I am not conviced this is the correct way.

[h90]

With the amount of people screaming and hitting with spikes and stick makes it distressed to start with , sorry but I am not conviced this is the correct way.

Thailand has a bad record for elephant treatment....but instead addressing the problem everyone try to make it a secret.

Beside that there are way too many elephants

[Thongkorn]

With the amount of people screaming and hitting with spikes and stick makes it distressed to start with , sorry but I am not conviced this is the correct way.

Thailand has a bad record for elephant treatment....but instead addressing the problem everyone try to make it a secret.

Beside that there are way too many elephants

Your blast statement is wrong, the Asian Elephant is in danger of dieing out,

[wow64]

So now we are detectives and elephant birth experts.

Thai bashing again.

These guys have done a lot of elephant births this is done for a reason.

On fbook this video has all the thai readers happy and saying its beutiful. Here you guys are playing keyboard vet.

Sent from my c64

[HeijoshinCool]

So now we are detectives and elephant birth experts.

Thai bashing again.

These guys have done a lot of elephant births this is done for a reason.

On fbook this video has all the thai readers happy and saying its beutiful. Here you guys are playing keyboard vet.

Sent from my c64

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Okay, what reason?

Tell all of us ignoramuses why this is the way to treat elephants. Tell us why they can't just be left alone to give birth. As nature intended.

Could it be the humans want control, for their own ends?

Please tell us.

[NeverSure]

So now we are detectives and elephant birth experts.

Thai bashing again.

These guys have done a lot of elephant births this is done for a reason.

On fbook this video has all the thai readers happy and saying its beutiful. Here you guys are playing keyboard vet.

Sent from my c64

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Okay, what reason?

Tell all of us ignoramuses why this is the way to treat elephants. Tell us why they can't just be left alone to give birth. As nature intended.

Could it be the humans want control, for their own ends?

Please tell us.

Because in zoos caged elephants are known to kill their babies. In the wild, nature takes care of that by having the other females join in and care for the baby the moment it's dropped. Also in the wild the mother would have witnessed and helped with many births as a young elephant, and she would understand what was going on.

In this case the Thais were necessary to substitute of other female elephants or the baby probably would have died. It has to be stood up and stimulated to breath immediately and the Thais did that as a substitute for other female elephants in nature.

I think they knew exactly what they were doing and why, and I think they saved the baby's life.

[Thongkorn]

So now we are detectives and elephant birth experts.

Thai bashing again.

These guys have done a lot of elephant births this is done for a reason.

On fbook this video has all the thai readers happy and saying its beutiful. Here you guys are playing keyboard vet.

Sent from my c64

Coming from an expert who has posted 357 times.

[HeijoshinCool]

So now we are detectives and elephant birth experts.

Thai bashing again.

These guys have done a lot of elephant births this is done for a reason.

On fbook this video has all the thai readers happy and saying its beutiful. Here you guys are playing keyboard vet.

Sent from my c64

.

Okay, what reason?

Tell all of us ignoramuses why this is the way to treat elephants. Tell us why they can't just be left alone to give birth. As nature intended.

Could it be the humans want control, for their own ends?

Please tell us.

Because in zoos caged elephants are known to kill their babies. In the wild, nature takes care of that by having the other females join in and care for the baby the moment it's dropped. Also in the wild the mother would have witnessed and helped with many births as a young elephant, and she would understand what was going on.

In this case the Thais were necessary to substitute of other female elephants or the baby probably would have died. It has to be stood up and stimulated to breath immediately and the Thais did that as a substitute for other female elephants in nature.

I think they knew exactly what they were doing and why, and I think they saved the baby's life.

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Okay NeverSure, I agree with everything you said, as I most often do.

But you make my point exactly; elephants belong in the wild. The way I've seen them treated here (and other countries) they should be left on their own, and protected from humans.

We tend to screw up much of what we try to control for our own benefit.

[Chuckles78]

Common... I think its obvious they are aiding in the birth.

They seem to be caring for the young... cleaning it up protecting it from the mother.

[Thongkorn]

I suppose it would help if people understood Thai, They are restraining the Elephant because it wants to harm its young, As it has done in the past.past. Unfortunately Elephants are big and do not respond to sit down, girl, And people forget, Thais have been dealing with Elephants for hundreds of years and they know better,

[aloneatlast]

The baby Elephant has commercial value. It would be unwise to allow the Mother Elephant to kill it. The Mother Elephant is clearly distressed, but what Mother isn't giving birth.

There are two ways to get an Elephant to do what you want it to do.

i) Make the Elephant fear you, this usually involves beatings, stabbings and subduing the animals until they fear being near you and do as they are instructed.

ii) Use physical force to move the animal where you want it to be. (This seemed the more humane option looking at the video).

You certainty cannot offer it a carrot and and ask it nicely if it wouldn't mind giving birth in a less chaotic manner and if its not too much trouble can we take the baby elephant away from you, immediately after birth.

If you think the Elephant (Mother) was mistreated in this video, then you are naive. Elephants get far worse than this just for dropping their paintbrushes or trekking too long.

In some parts of Thailand the Baby Elephants are born by C-Section, and the wound often gets infected, killing the Mother Elephant, but solving the problem of being over-protective.