lildragon Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 1500 off people is a tiny fraction Of the people in Bangkok and a minuscule part of the entire population. Of you did this poll Out in red country then the results would be different. Anyone trying to use this to gauge the opinion of the entire population Or for some kind of red/yellow point scoring is an idiot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 So yes this poll could be quite true. Despite the fact that the numbers don't add up? OK. And even discounting that, if these figures were approximately true, millions of PT voters/UDD supporters would have to have moved over to supporting dictatorship. Do you think that's likely? Really? OK, you can believe any fairy tale you like but if you do, you might like to consider the post above yours. Kinda depends who you poll, plus I have seen many polls here where numbers don't add up. What dictatorship.. you mean the liberators of the corrupt shin regime that supported terrorist to kill the opposition ? Many killed police could not find any red suspects.. the army could.. seems to me that is supporting terrorists. Plus who says all those people are supporting the junta, its asked if they are satisfied with the performance. It is not the same thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I am happy with the Junta and I think the General has accomplished quite alot in a short time. Many of the complaints from TV members have been amongst those accomplishments. Its great to have an interim PM that is actually concerned for the Country of Thailand more than his and his cronies' wallets. The only reason some think he has accomplished a lot is because the first thing the junta did was to get revenge on the police/government and at the same time gain more power. It was coincidental some of the police operated scams and illegal activities were things that many people didn't like, that the It's all about power, and when they have total power over the police and ex-government, you'll see what a military junta is all about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmugghc Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 1500 off people is a tiny fraction Of the people in Bangkok and a minuscule part of the entire population. Of you did this poll Out in red country then the results would be different. Anyone trying to use this to gauge the opinion of the entire population Or for some kind of red/yellow point scoring is an idiot You'd better study some statistics. Check the sampling size of most opinion surveys, they are usually around 1000 people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 To make things a bit clearer: Suppose you have a car won it or it was forced upon you but its not the car that you really want as you want a Benz not a Honda. Then they ask you are you satisfied with how it preforms ? They dont ask you would you like that other car more they ask are you happy with how it drives and does things. They are not asking you to compare it with the car you really want. There is a lot that can be done with wording, this probably was asked in Thai and we don't know the exact wording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lildragon Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 1500 off people is a tiny fraction Of the people in Bangkok and a minuscule part of the entire population. Of you did this poll Out in red country then the results would be different. Anyone trying to use this to gauge the opinion of the entire population Or for some kind of red/yellow point scoring is an idiotYou'd better study some statistics. Check the sampling size of most opinion surveys, they are usually around 1000 people. The OP said 1600 odd people. Wasn't far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fab4 Posted September 28, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2014 Dusit Poll of Rajabhat University. For some reason I'm a little concerned about the credibility of this poll. Are you OK with Dusit polls when they match your expectations? Or is it all Dusit polls you have a problem with? How many times does it need to be said? The only Poll worthy of the name is an Election. Anything else is targeted speculation. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 1500 off people is a tiny fraction Of the people in Bangkok and a minuscule part of the entire population. Of you did this poll Out in red country then the results would be different. Anyone trying to use this to gauge the opinion of the entire population Or for some kind of red/yellow point scoring is an idiot OK. So you don't know anything about statistics. Next. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Dusit Poll of Rajabhat University. For some reason I'm a little concerned about the credibility of this poll. Are you OK with Dusit polls when they match your expectations? Or is it all Dusit polls you have a problem with? How many times does it need to be said? The only Poll worthy of the name is an Election. Anything else is targeted speculation. It doesn't matter how many times it is said. It doesn't make it true. This wasn't a poll to see who would win an election. This was a poll to gauge performance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Dusit Poll of Rajabhat University. For some reason I'm a little concerned about the credibility of this poll. Are you OK with Dusit polls when they match your expectations? Or is it all Dusit polls you have a problem with? How many times does it need to be said? The only Poll worthy of the name is an Election. Anything else is targeted speculation. You dont always need an election to get in charge of a country sometimes the leading party is pissing so many people of and helping terrorist that an alternate way of getting in power is forced upon a country. Then the worth of an election is not much. Don't forget people can be forced to vote and bribed to vote or brainwashed. Now that the country is being sanitized things might change for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooheekock Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 "Kinda depends who you poll, plus I have seen many polls here where numbers don't add up." What? You seem to be saying that the fact that polls are routinely sub-standard has made you trust them more. Do you think that that's a rational response? "What dictatorship?" If you want to have an opinion which is not entirely risible, you may need to start reading the paper. A real one, not The Nation. "Plus who says all those people are supporting the junta, its asked if they are satisfied with the performance. It is not the same thing." They're not the same but the overlap very substantially. If you're a die-hard Republican, you're unlikely to say that you are satisfied with Obama and the same applies here. UDD supporters are not going to be saying, in massive numbers, that they are satisfied with the performance of the junta. Anyone who has spent more than two seconds engaging with the issue knows that and that is why only a complete fool or, as in the case of The Nation, a propagandist, would think this nonsense anything other than instantly dismissable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 So yes this poll could be quite true. Despite the fact that the numbers don't add up? OK. And even discounting that, if these figures were approximately true, millions of PT voters/UDD supporters would have to have moved over to supporting dictatorship. Do you think that's likely? Really? OK, you can believe any fairy tale you like but if you do, you might like to consider the post above yours. This wasn't a question of who you would vote for. It was a question of how do you think they are performing. If PTP supporters say that the government isn't performing well ONLY because they don't think they should be there, they're not being very honest, are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooheekock Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 . This was a poll to gauge performance. This was a "poll" (scare quotes required) to produce a junta-friendly puff piece for the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 . This was a poll to gauge performance. This was a "poll" (scare quotes required) to produce a junta-friendly puff piece for the media. Probably. But that wasn't what I was discussing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod reborn Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Happy, happy, happy. Charge more Rupertite hacking journalists with lese majeste. That will teach them from nosing around those drunken, drugged up full moon parties. happy, happy, happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 So yes this poll could be quite true. Despite the fact that the numbers don't add up? OK. And even discounting that, if these figures were approximately true, millions of PT voters/UDD supporters would have to have moved over to supporting dictatorship. Do you think that's likely? Really? OK, you can believe any fairy tale you like but if you do, you might like to consider the post above yours. Kinda depends who you poll, plus I have seen many polls here where numbers don't add up. What dictatorship.. you mean the liberators of the corrupt shin regime that supported terrorist to kill the opposition ? Many killed police could not find any red suspects.. the army could.. seems to me that is supporting terrorists. Plus who says all those people are supporting the junta, its asked if they are satisfied with the performance. It is not the same thing. "Liberators of the corrupt shin regime" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooheekock Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) If PTP supporters say that the government isn't performing well ONLY because they don't think they should be there, they're not being very honest, are they? It's what people do. Do you really think that all the swivel-eyed spittle-flecked Red-hating loons on this board were making cold, rational, informed judgments on the performance of Yingluck when they produced page after page after page of their nonsensical drivel, or do you think they were motivated by the fact that they just hate Thaksin and everything to do with him? I'll help you out here because an awful lot of people who post on Thaivisa are going to have difficulties with this. It's the latter. People are tribal, a fact which is revealed not just by a great deal of research but also very, very, very, very clearly by both the Red and the Yellow media. Edited September 28, 2014 by Zooheekock 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Dusit Poll of Rajabhat University. For some reason I'm a little concerned about the credibility of this poll. I'm afraid that your little concern is of rather less concern to those conducting the poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyBowskill Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) How many were too scared to take part in this poll? Little to no point in having a poll if people are too scared to answer, clearly it will say only 1 thing. Oh please. do you think pollsters ask for ID, and/or are accompanied by armed "assistants"? There are far easier ways to sway a poll by asking leading questions or "adjusting" the results. FYI No I don't but I do think a long history of not really being able to say what you think about governments or other subjects, does likely make you keep your mouth shut if you don't agree with whoever is asking. Edited September 28, 2014 by JeremyBowskill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 If PTP supporters say that the government isn't performing well ONLY because they don't think they should be there, they're not being very honest, are they? It's what people do. Do you really think that all the swivel-eyed spittle-flecked Red-hating loons on this board were making cold, rational, informed judgments on the performance of Yingluck when they produced page after page after page of their nonsensical drivel, or do you think they were motivated by the fact that they just hate Thaksin and everything to do with him? I'll help you out here because an awful lot of people who post on Thaivisa are going to have difficulties with this. It's the latter. People are tribal, a fact which is revealed not just by a great deal of research but also very, very, very, very clearly by both the Red and the Yellow media. You can't really believe that there was nothing worthy of criticism in the Yingluk government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyBowskill Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Once again, I think some people need to read this URGENT NOTICE TO MEMBERS again. Some posts have been removed. I think that this is proof enough that the subject is not really open to discussion freely, don't you Halloween, nickymaster, whybother and Robblock? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeENZ Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 As per the URGENT NOTICE TO MEMBERS, I couldn't possibly disagree with the result. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I am happy with the Junta and I think the General has accomplished quite alot in a short time. Many of the complaints from TV members have been amongst those accomplishments. Its great to have an interim PM that is actually concerned for the Country of Thailand more than his and his cronies' wallets. yes but the question will be: Did he accomplish enough when he ends. I doubt it.....I see no movement to bring all the corrupt into jail. But I can't see anything here. That Ms Yingluck flies out of the country and comes back means that she isn't even worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitawatWatawit Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 how many junta,s have ended in happiness, most of the population dont read so cant make an informed opinion. The literacy rate in Thailand is 86-87%. Ability to read has nothing to do with making an informed opinion. Ability to read objectively does - and the "most" you refer to above would appear to be trying to do just that in the aftermath of the relentless Shinawatra propaganda onslaught which twisted people's minds. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expat Girl Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I believe this poll reflects the general feeling of the Thai population, even though it is quite a small in its amount of participants. Speaking to a few of my staff they are quite happy with the way things are moving, they are seeing a lot of activities/actions taking place which never happened in previous governments. Although most said there has been no change to there daily lives, they are just continuing as normal, but are hoping improvement will come over time, and will not happen quickly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AleG Posted September 28, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2014 What I find very telling is that the people arguing that Thais feel satisfied with the Junta performance are basing it on their interaction with actual Thai people. The bashers simply argue from a position of dogmatism, none refer to their own interactions with Thai people, they just make claims based on their own prejudices. It makes their constant wailing and whining about respecting the will of the people when they vote seem a tad hypocritical when they are perfectly happy to claim to represent the views of people but don't seem to bother to actually listen to what they have to say. They just start with a conclusion and don't bother with any evidence that would work against it. I particularly liked the unintended irony of a poster (post deleted for profanity I guess) arguing that this poll is nonsense because smart westerners living outside Thailand know better; no, no need to ask about the methodology of that poll. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zooheekock Posted September 28, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) What I find very telling is that the people arguing that Thais feel satisfied with the Junta performance are basing it on their interaction with actual Thai people. I know a ton of people who hate the junta but so what? That's hardly a sound, scientific research methodology is it? You seek out people who are like-minded so it ought not to come as a great shock that the people you talk to tend to think in broadly similar ways as you. What else would you expect? Plus, of course, you have the absurdity of people saying "Speaking to a few of my staff..." and thinking that this tells you something substantial. Oh, so in a massively hierarchical society, employees tell the boss what the boss wants to hear. Blimey. Whatever next? That's why you have polls, though not ones conducted under martial law and by organizations with such bad reputations as those we have in Thailand (see, for example http://asiancorrespondent.com/126917/why-are-some-opinion-poll-results-so-positive-of-the-thai-junta/ and http://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/2014/09/27/polishing-the-dictator-ii ). Given that they come up with these entirely unbelievable results, the next best thing is to look on a broad scale at what people are saying and try to get a feel from that. What's the mood on Pantip? On the blogs? On Facebook? You don't have to spend long on those places to know that this poll is just farcical. Edited September 28, 2014 by Zooheekock 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theslime Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 how many junta,s have ended in happiness, most of the population dont read so cant make an informed opinion. The literacy rate in Thailand is 86-87%. Ability to read has nothing to do with making an informed opinion. Ability to read objectively does - and the "most" you refer to above would appear to be trying to do just that in the aftermath of the relentless Shinawatra propaganda onslaught which twisted people's minds. That may be so but in my village they LOVE Shin, having an ability to read would help tremendously in trying to sort the buds from the chaff. The plebs, that i roll with wouldnt give a rats about politics, same in my home country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Dusit Poll of Rajabhat University. For some reason I'm a little concerned about the credibility of this poll. Are you OK with Dusit polls when they match your expectations? Or is it all Dusit polls you have a problem with? How many times does it need to be said? The only Poll worthy of the name is an Election. Anything else is targeted speculation. It doesn't matter how many times it is said. It doesn't make it true. This wasn't a poll to see who would win an election. This was a poll to gauge performance. It's a speculative poll intended to justify the military Junta, not to gauge performance. You yourself queried the mathematics of the "poll" and now you defend it. In the real world this is recognised as propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See the bears Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 http://asiancorrespondent.com/126917/why-are-some-opinion-poll-results-so-positive-of-the-thai-junta/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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