Universal doubts cloud 'perfect' Koh Tao murder investigation

[SteveFong]

hang on a second.

Sean is a musician and a singer songwriter

He doesnt need an excuse to post music on the internet

He is sharing his soul when he does that, and, shouldnt be condemned for it

I have no argument with that Steve and am not condemning him for sharing but, his friend was buiried last week and Hannah will be laid to rest today.

Posting on a website that is dedicated to finding their killers is insensitive to say the least.

Instead of sharing his soul perhaps he could answer a few direct questions?

At this present time he has not displayed anything other than self preservation and now, seemingly, promotion.

Cryptic lyrics are not what is needed, answers are.

No offence, I just think he is full of it.

Allegations are being made about him and he needs to address that issue at least, given his past criminal record.

ok, you make a few points, but,

I wasn't aware that he was posting on a thread dedicated to Hannah and David,

I thought it was his personal account on sound cloud?

And, about his past criminal record; this has been bothering me also, but not in the same way as others,

No one knows what that case was about, only the conviction,

and because he is young, and this was in his past,

who is to say he didnt have a picture of himself and two girls in a threesome and one of them was 17?

until it is brought to light about what exactly constituted "child porn" then, I am not buying this as a reason to denote his character.

I personally know people who have had their nightclubs shut down and fined because girls used fake ID

and, I was recently told a story whereby a man was with a "professional sex actress" who had a fake ID also, and he was sent to jail

The USA is currently using "downloaded illegal" porn files that people didnt even know they had on their computer, because they opened a spam email, which was sent by their political enemies

I don't doubt for a minute that Sean was involved with drug activity and even was the occasional or serial date rape drug rapist, as both he and some of his friends don't look like the type that like girls saying no to them,

but Sean doesnt have that look to me,

while, there are some others whose names and pictures have been posted all over the internet, do look like rapists

anyone that will rape will also kill

I am not characterising him for his conviction either, like you, I do not know the facts but in view of that conviction it is

imperative that he answers allegations against him, however spurious they may be in order that he becomes credible.

If he does not answer the allegations and makes allegations of his own about other people who may or may not be involved you can be certain

his conviction will be rolled out in order to remove his credibility by those he speaks about, if any.

I see this as his first step but, given his reluctance to join any debates I fear he will continue in his self exile from reality.

here is the problem with Sean doing anything,

he needed a police escort and to post publicly, pictures of guys who were most likely his very good friends ( or so he thought)

on facebook and the internet in general, so as not to be killed,

he went to the police, he assuredly knew he had no chance of survival as he knows the outcome of this as many others do,

so, what should he really do?

At any time, if he had anything to say, he could do so anonymously, and in a multitude of ways publicly put a further hurting on people who will never be prosecuted and he knows it,

so, what is your suggestion?

he is lucky to be alive, and as sad as this crime is, he can't change the outcome

[HeijoshinCool]

Sean could be right about the wounds he said happened in an accident september 9, if he was observed with the wounds before the the night of the murders someone should come forward and verify this. If not I'm afraid Sean will remain a suspect in many peoples eyes.

Well done Balo... seems your becoming a bit more relaxed and more transparent mate ............

I have no problems with looking at this from both sides of the coin, as long as clear evidence is provided. But most of what we hear so far has been based on speculations from social media , not a good way to solve a crime.

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A shocking lack of evidence, where there statistically should be plentiful amounts of it, speaks just as loudly sometimes.

[mehoo]

Could I just thro these couple of concerns I have about this crime.. Sean said he had to borrow a phone

from people who worked in the convenience store he hid in because he was scared for his life. He phoned

his family with that borrowed phone and also made some postings on his FB page at the same time.,

Q. So to have to borrow a phone would assume that he did not own or have a phone of his own. REALY ?

then he would be one of the only people around who does not own a mobile phone. Could it be by any

chance that the actual phone found at the crime scene actually belonged to Sean and not to the victim

David. the phone found at the scene was damaged and had blood and hair on it,

Did the police check that phone for fingerprints and /or determine whose blood stains was on it ?

Further by any chance of imagination could that phone be in fact Sean's and was planted or left there by

real killers to implicate him as being involved however the police just concluded that it was Davids phone

found at the scene.or alternatively that Sean was involved in the crime whilst it was occuring and his phone

was inadvertently lost during the struggles with the victims.

Q. have the police retained and have in their possession that blood covered phone as evidence ?

Further by any chance could the damaged phone recovered by the police close to the arrested 2 boys residence

be THAT ACTUAL SAME PHONE FOUND AT THE CRIME SCENE BE IN FACT THAT VERY SAME PHONE CLEANED UP PLACED IN

SITU TO INCRIMINATE THE 2 ARRESTED MIGRANT WORKERS?

Do the police have as retained evidence BOTH of the phones ? 1 from the crime scene and the other found close

to where the migrant workers lived

[DennisF]

I see your point Steve but after he was out of Thailand there was no danger and the least he can do is tell us, to the best of his knowledge,

who was and was not on the island that night.

That could clear up a lot of unanswered questions.

I think he could be instrumental in casting doubt on the Burmese guilt if he has information that is relevant.

Yes, he is fortunate to have got off the island unscathed but all we ask for is he gives a full account of his movements that night and those of his Thai friends.

Not a biggie if he has nothing to hide.

I do not believe all BiB are bad guys, I know a few that are good coppers, within their remit, and I am certain once off the island he was safe.

What I fail to believe, and I have tried, is that he has NO KNOWLEDGE of ANYTHING that happened that night even though it involved his British friend.

Remember he was supposed to meet him but got too drunk to? Suppose that is not true?

Many things are open to conjecture and supposition and all he is doing is feeding the keyboard fiction writers.

The latest accusations against him regarding date rape also need addressing.

I am not saying he is guilty of anything, I dont know but, his silence on what happened that night is more

deafening than a dozen full moon parties.

Again, no offence intended towards anyone, just thinking out loud.

[boomerangutang]

Sean could be right about the wounds he said happened in an accident september 9, if he was observed with the wounds before the the night of the murders someone should come forward and verify this. If not I'm afraid Sean will remain a suspect in many peoples eyes.

Sean doesn't look much like a suspect, but instead a key witness. Thai authorities don't want to hear what Sean has to say because they know it won't fit with their frame-up scenario of the two Burmese. Indeed, if Sean were to testify, it would almost certainly implicate men connected to the headman.

Sean could be right about the wounds he said happened in an accident september 9, if he was observed with the wounds before the the night of the murders someone should come forward and verify this. If not I'm afraid Sean will remain a suspect in many peoples eyes.

Well done Balo... seems your becoming a bit more relaxed and more transparent mate ............

I have no problems with looking at this from both sides of the coin, as long as clear evidence is provided. But most of what we hear so far has been based on speculations from social media , not a good way to solve a crime.

Perhaps social media won't solve the crime. We're not privy to all the evidence and we don't have access to suspects. However, there have been many very interesting insights, including photos and their analysis, added. Imagine if you had to do an investigation, and tens of thousands of concerned people added their insight and expertise (yes, many on social media are experts in their fields). Perhaps 45% are off base, and another 45% are opinions, but there may still be some posts which could be helpful. Even if just one post out of thousands had a useful clue to solving this crime, it would be worthwhile.

Unfortunately, Thai investigators are inept at best, and don't want to hear or see anything which might implicate the men who should be top suspects - those connected with the headman and his AC bar. Thai investigators have their blinders on, which only allow them to see the two men they dearly want to find guilty.

[Mosha]

From what the celebrity status Thai expert is saying. Whoever carried out the DNA testing, was not properly qualified to do so.

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/10/10/perfect-koh-tao-investigation-comes-apart-seams

Meanwhile Thailand's celebrity forensic examiner slammed police for bungling the case by not involving a forensic pathologist, Bangkok Post reported.

"The weak point (in the investigation) is that police do not understand that the case requires a forensic pathologist, so the officers who collected evidence did not call in one from Surat Thani Hospital," said Director-General Porntip Rojanasunan of the Central Institute of Forensic Science. "A case of two murdered people certainly needs a forensic physician."

[DennisF]

So far as the Sean British conviction is concerned:

The only person who has tried to explain Seans conviction is his sister on Seans facebook page, before he shut it down.

She said it was a picture of a teenage girl (a picture). I dont know how true that is, nor does anyone else on this website.

So none of us KNOW what the conviction was for, again it would be mere speculation to say children or teenagers.

Right now we should give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

[boomerangutang]

Could I just thro these couple of concerns I have about this crime.. Sean said he had to borrow a phone

from people who worked in the convenience store he hid in because he was scared for his life. He phoned

his family with that borrowed phone and also made some postings on his FB page at the same time.,

Q. So to have to borrow a phone would assume that he did not own or have a phone of his own. REALY ?

then he would be one of the only people around who does not own a mobile phone. Could it be by any

chance that the actual phone found at the crime scene actually belonged to Sean and not to the victim

David. the phone found at the scene was damaged and had blood and hair on it,

Did the police check that phone for fingerprints and /or determine whose blood stains was on it ?

Further by any chance of imagination could that phone be in fact Sean's and was planted or left there by

real killers to implicate him as being involved however the police just concluded that it was Davids phone

found at the scene.or alternatively that Sean was involved in the crime whilst it was occuring and his phone

was inadvertently lost during the struggles with the victims.

Q. have the police retained and have in their possession that blood covered phone as evidence ?

Further by any chance could the damaged phone recovered by the police close to the arrested 2 boys residence

be THAT ACTUAL SAME PHONE FOUND AT THE CRIME SCENE BE IN FACT THAT VERY SAME PHONE CLEANED UP PLACED IN

SITU TO INCRIMINATE THE 2 ARRESTED MIGRANT WORKERS?

Do the police have as retained evidence BOTH of the phones ? 1 from the crime scene and the other found close

to where the migrant workers lived

Interesting about phones in this case. The phone police say they found behind the Burmeses' shack was claimed by the cops to be Hannah's. When that was shown (by photos and a farang woman's claim) to likely be a 'plant' the cops switched tracks and said, 'No, we meant to say that was David's phone.' One slight problem. Police claim to have found David's mobile phone on the beach the morning after the murders, and the phone was damaged. When that ruse was revealed, cops went back and claimed the phone found at the Burmeses' hut was Hannah's, but (surprise) no one believes them.

Now, these new theories about a phone possibly belonging to Sean. Bottom line: Cops don't give a rat's ass which phone belongs to whom, and they probably aren't even doing tests on the various phones' call history. Here's why: if evidence doesn't bolster the guilt of the Burmese, then the cops don't care about it. Heck, if they were really doing their jobs, they would scrutinize the phone records of the headman and his male family members, speedboat captains, and rogue cops who may be involved, ....but investigators aren't remotely doing things they should be doing.

[jollyhangmon]

Have a look what the father of one of the suspected blokes says:

http://www.mizzima.com/opinion/interviews/item/13545-father-of-kao-tao-murders-suspect-requests-chance-to-talk-to-his-son

... sorry if posted already ...

I see the Pancake man is sitting over them like a guard dog as he did in the third Burmese guy' meeting as if he's some main core official of the murder investigation or maybe we all got it wrong and he's just taking orders for food ......??

... yeah, probly takin food orders - carpe diem!

Or maybe joining the beachside jam-session ...

[SteveFong]

I see your point Steve but after he was out of Thailand there was no danger and the least he can do is tell us, to the best of his knowledge,

who was and was not on the island that night.

That could clear up a lot of unanswered questions.

I think he could be instrumental in casting doubt on the Burmese guilt if he has information that is relevant.

Yes, he is fortunate to have got off the island unscathed but all we ask for is he gives a full account of his movements that night and those of his Thai friends.

Not a biggie if he has nothing to hide.

I do not believe all BiB are bad guys, I know a few that are good coppers, within their remit, and I am certain once off the island he was safe.

What I fail to believe, and I have tried, is that he has NO KNOWLEDGE of ANYTHING that happened that night even though it involved his British friend.

Remember he was supposed to meet him but got too drunk to? Suppose that is not true?

Many things are open to conjecture and supposition and all he is doing is feeding the keyboard fiction writers.

The latest accusations against him regarding date rape also need addressing.

I am not saying he is guilty of anything, I dont know but, his silence on what happened that night is more

deafening than a dozen full moon parties.

Again, no offence intended towards anyone, just thinking out loud.

do I believe he knows what happened, yes

do I believe he was possibly involved somehow, maybe

do I believe he has used date rape drugs on unsuspecting girls, yes

why?

drugs make people do things they otherwise might think twice about

do I think we will hear much from him in the future, no

[boomerangutang]

Here's a conversation we won't hear about:

An investigating cop goes to visit the headman at AC bar:

cop: Dear respected headman, would you mind if I, as a crime investigator, could look at your phone for a few minutes, to gauge your call history from the time of the murder of the two farang?

headman: Are you crazy? Of course you can't.

cop: Sorry for asking. Would you mind if we looked at the call history of your brother's phone?

headman: Sure, if you want your head on a pole.

cop: Yes, of course, sorry. I guess you wouldn't want us to look at the phone records of your son, would you.

headman: You should know, you can't say anything to my son. No requests, no DNA test, no nothing, without going through his lawyer. And I'll save you a lot of shoe leather by saying; you can't get past his lawyer.

cop: We also wanted to check your family members for any wounds they may have suffered on that night, if they happened to have been involved with the fighting at the murder.

headman: Please tell me you're joking, or I'll have one of my body guards crush your head like a coconut under a falling concrete telephone pole.

cop: Just kidding. Pretty funny, huh?!

[bertty]

I wonder what will happen to the pancake man once this is all over, whatever the outcome.

Personally I think he will disappear and never be seen or heard of again.

He will certainly get his karma.

[mehoo]

Could I just thro these couple of concerns I have about this crime.. Sean said he had to borrow a phone

from people who worked in the convenience store he hid in because he was scared for his life. He phoned

his family with that borrowed phone and also made some postings on his FB page at the same time.,

Q. So to have to borrow a phone would assume that he did not own or have a phone of his own. REALY ?

then he would be one of the only people around who does not own a mobile phone. Could it be by any

chance that the actual phone found at the crime scene actually belonged to Sean and not to the victim

David. the phone found at the scene was damaged and had blood and hair on it,

Did the police check that phone for fingerprints and /or determine whose blood stains was on it ?

Further by any chance of imagination could that phone be in fact Sean's and was planted or left there by

real killers to implicate him as being involved however the police just concluded that it was Davids phone

found at the scene.or alternatively that Sean was involved in the crime whilst it was occuring and his phone

was inadvertently lost during the struggles with the victims.

Q. have the police retained and have in their possession that blood covered phone as evidence ?

Further by any chance could the damaged phone recovered by the police close to the arrested 2 boys residence

be THAT ACTUAL SAME PHONE FOUND AT THE CRIME SCENE BE IN FACT THAT VERY SAME PHONE CLEANED UP PLACED IN

SITU TO INCRIMINATE THE 2 ARRESTED MIGRANT WORKERS?

Do the police have as retained evidence BOTH of the phones ? 1 from the crime scene and the other found close

to where the migrant workers lived

Interesting about phones in this case. The phone police say they found behind the Burmeses' shack was claimed by the cops to be Hannah's. When that was shown (by photos and a farang woman's claim) to likely be a 'plant' the cops switched tracks and said, 'No, we meant to say that was David's phone.' One slight problem. Police claim to have found David's mobile phone on the beach the morning after the murders, and the phone was damaged. When that ruse was revealed, cops went back and claimed the phone found at the Burmeses' hut was Hannah's, but (surprise) no one believes them.

Now, these new theories about a phone possibly belonging to Sean. Bottom line: Cops don't give a rat's ass which phone belongs to whom, and they probably aren't even doing tests on the various phones' call history. Here's why: if evidence doesn't bolster the guilt of the Burmese, then the cops don't care about it. Heck, if they were really doing their jobs, they would scrutinize the phone records of the headman and his male family members, speedboat captains, and rogue cops who may be involved, ....but investigators aren't remotely doing things they should be doing.

[mehoo]

Could I just thro these couple of concerns I have about this crime.. Sean said he had to borrow a phone

from people who worked in the convenience store he hid in because he was scared for his life. He phoned

his family with that borrowed phone and also made some postings on his FB page at the same time.,

Q. So to have to borrow a phone would assume that he did not own or have a phone of his own. REALY ?

then he would be one of the only people around who does not own a mobile phone. Could it be by any

chance that the actual phone found at the crime scene actually belonged to Sean and not to the victim

David. the phone found at the scene was damaged and had blood and hair on it,

Did the police check that phone for fingerprints and /or determine whose blood stains was on it ?

Further by any chance of imagination could that phone be in fact Sean's and was planted or left there by

real killers to implicate him as being involved however the police just concluded that it was Davids phone

found at the scene.or alternatively that Sean was involved in the crime whilst it was occuring and his phone

was inadvertently lost during the struggles with the victims.

Q. have the police retained and have in their possession that blood covered phone as evidence ?

Further by any chance could the damaged phone recovered by the police close to the arrested 2 boys residence

be THAT ACTUAL SAME PHONE FOUND AT THE CRIME SCENE BE IN FACT THAT VERY SAME PHONE CLEANED UP PLACED IN

SITU TO INCRIMINATE THE 2 ARRESTED MIGRANT WORKERS?

Do the police have as retained evidence BOTH of the phones ? 1 from the crime scene and the other found close

to where the migrant workers lived

Interesting about phones in this case. The phone police say they found behind the Burmeses' shack was claimed by the cops to be Hannah's. When that was shown (by photos and a farang woman's claim) to likely be a 'plant' the cops switched tracks and said, 'No, we meant to say that was David's phone.' One slight problem. Police claim to have found David's mobile phone on the beach the morning after the murders, and the phone was damaged. When that ruse was revealed, cops went back and claimed the phone found at the Burmeses' hut was Hannah's, but (surprise) no one believes them.

Now, these new theories about a phone possibly belonging to Sean. Bottom line: Cops don't give a rat's ass which phone belongs to whom, and they probably aren't even doing tests on the various phones' call history. Here's why: if evidence doesn't bolster the guilt of the Burmese, then the cops don't care about it. Heck, if they were really doing their jobs, they would scrutinize the phone records of the headman and his male family members, speedboat captains, and rogue cops who may be involved, ....but investigators aren't remotely doing things they should be doing.

[SteveFong]

the fact that they decided to "find a phone" will come back to haunt them,

that phone will make it to the hands of the lawyers, and will be dissected

there is so much police work missing in this case it is frightening,

what is worse,

the RTP is determined to press a case no one believes in

[mehoo]

I sort of disagree a bit on the point that the police don't give a rats ass about whose phone it was because

does not a big part of the evidence against the accused migrant workers rest on the fact that a phone belonging

to one of the victims was found behind the residence of the accused boys.

just on another point would it be remotely possible that the actual murderers went looking for that guy Sean,

came across David and Hannah making out behind the rocks, AND in the darkness mistook David for Sean and attacked

him from behind without seeing the face of who they were attacking ? ( remember David was found naked )

once realising they may have killed the wrong person they took the body down to the water to wash off the blood on

his face to ascertain who it actually was. Then realising it was the wrong person they killed Hannah was then killed

as she was a witness.

once realising the magnitude of their crime one of them who had Seans phone which he (Sean)had lost earlier that

night during an altercation between them all and had dropped it during the "scuffle " before he broke loose

and ran away to hide in the bush before he went to the convenience store.

[AGareth2]

fanciful

and what was she doing during all this?

[DennisF]

I sort of disagree a bit on the point that the police don't give a rats ass about whose phone it was because

does not a big part of the evidence against the accused migrant workers rest on the fact that a phone belonging

to one of the victims was found behind the residence of the accused boys.

just on another point would it be remotely possible that the actual murderers went looking for that guy Sean,

came across David and Hannah making out behind the rocks, AND in the darkness mistook David for Sean and attacked

him from behind without seeing the face of who they were attacking ? ( remember David was found naked )

once realising they may have killed the wrong person they took the body down to the water to wash off the blood on

his face to ascertain who it actually was. Then realising it was the wrong person they killed Hannah was then killed

as she was a witness.

once realising the magnitude of their crime one of them who had Seans phone which he (Sean)had lost earlier that

night during an altercation between them all and had dropped it during the "scuffle " before he broke loose

and ran away to hide in the bush before he went to the convenience store.

Flook me there are more holes in that than the Bib one. You have missed your vocation in life you should have been a sieve.

[mehoo]

fanciful

and what was she doing during all this?

Answer... during all this Hannah was being restrained by one of the attackers, has it not been suggested by the police

that they believe there were 3 individuals who committed the crime

[traveller 2020]

I sort of disagree a bit on the point that the police don't give a rats ass about whose phone it was because

does not a big part of the evidence against the accused migrant workers rest on the fact that a phone belonging

to one of the victims was found behind the residence of the accused boys.

just on another point would it be remotely possible that the actual murderers went looking for that guy Sean,

came across David and Hannah making out behind the rocks, AND in the darkness mistook David for Sean and attacked

him from behind without seeing the face of who they were attacking ? ( remember David was found naked )

once realising they may have killed the wrong person they took the body down to the water to wash off the blood on

his face to ascertain who it actually was. Then realising it was the wrong person they killed Hannah was then killed

as she was a witness.

once realising the magnitude of their crime one of them who had Seans phone which he (Sean)had lost earlier that

night during an altercation between them all and had dropped it during the "scuffle " before he broke loose

and ran away to hide in the bush before he went to the convenience store.

Umm need to have Sean tell the real truth instead of clamming up !

[mehoo]

I sort of disagree a bit on the point that the police don't give a rats ass about whose phone it was because

does not a big part of the evidence against the accused migrant workers rest on the fact that a phone belonging

to one of the victims was found behind the residence of the accused boys.

just on another point would it be remotely possible that the actual murderers went looking for that guy Sean,

came across David and Hannah making out behind the rocks, AND in the darkness mistook David for Sean and attacked

him from behind without seeing the face of who they were attacking ? ( remember David was found naked )

once realising they may have killed the wrong person they took the body down to the water to wash off the blood on

his face to ascertain who it actually was. Then realising it was the wrong person they killed Hannah was then killed

as she was a witness.

once realising the magnitude of their crime one of them who had Seans phone which he (Sean)had lost earlier that

night during an altercation between them all and had dropped it during the "scuffle " before he broke loose

and ran away to hide in the bush before he went to the convenience store.

Umm need to have Sean tell the real truth instead of clamming up !

I am like everyone else who contributes their thoughts on this forum on this horrible crime, I am only looking

at every scenario that may or may not be the correct one to try and join up all the dots so as to try and make some

sense of everything , because I like most others feel that there is far more to everything than is being revealed

and I truly believe that the migrant workers charged are NOT the persons responsible. Further without any doubt in my

mind this person Sean knows much more if not in fact he was one of the people who was present and involved in the murders.

[ScotBkk]

I wonder what will happen to the pancake man once this is all over, whatever the outcome.

Personally I think he will disappear and never be seen or heard of again.

He will certainly get his karma.

Yes, his just desserts excusing the Pun ......

[transam]

I sort of disagree a bit on the point that the police don't give a rats ass about whose phone it was because

does not a big part of the evidence against the accused migrant workers rest on the fact that a phone belonging

to one of the victims was found behind the residence of the accused boys.

just on another point would it be remotely possible that the actual murderers went looking for that guy Sean,

came across David and Hannah making out behind the rocks, AND in the darkness mistook David for Sean and attacked

him from behind without seeing the face of who they were attacking ? ( remember David was found naked )

once realising they may have killed the wrong person they took the body down to the water to wash off the blood on

his face to ascertain who it actually was. Then realising it was the wrong person they killed Hannah was then killed

as she was a witness.

once realising the magnitude of their crime one of them who had Seans phone which he (Sean)had lost earlier that

night during an altercation between them all and had dropped it during the "scuffle " before he broke loose

and ran away to hide in the bush before he went to the convenience store.

Umm need to have Sean tell the real truth instead of clamming up !

I am like everyone else who contributes their thoughts on this forum on this horrible crime, I am only looking

at every scenario that may or may not be the correct one to try and join up all the dots so as to try and make some

sense of everything , because I like most others feel that there is far more to everything than is being revealed

and I truly believe that the migrant workers charged are NOT the persons responsible. Further without any doubt in my

mind this person Sean knows much more if not in fact he was one of the people who was present and involved in the murders.

Song for Sean.....

[bunglebag]

I've been wondering why there has not really been any other stories of possible murder or rape on Koh Tao coming out in the media in the wake of this if it is as prevalent as some people have made out.

Might this be the first:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thailand-beach-death-parents-convinced-4410135

[heyexile]

Umm have you not clicked the soundcloud link ?

Sean Hayes McAnna says at 0:01:

To everyone commenting. I never said I knew the killers. I said that if I died that night it was the guy from in touch who "did it". anybody with half a brain knows it would always be blamed on Burmese. I'm gutted for everyone involved, but there's really nothing I can do. I'm sorry the newspapers lied to you. Believe me, they lied about a lot of things. They just like a story.

scroll down to that time in the comments

https://soundcloud.com/seanmcanna/johnny

What on earth is that all about?

Thanking Sean for what?

Who are these people who thank him as though he is the Messiah, drug fkd descendants of the Manson family.

Is he telling something between the lines:

"it was the guy from in touch who "did it". anybody with half a brain knows it would always be blamed on Burmese." Why the inverted commas around "did it".

When I first read the soundcloud followers comments, Manson family jumped into my mind too..

Sean was sentenced to 170 hrs unpaid community service work for downloading image of under 18 teenage girl. His gf backed his explanation that it was accidental and immediately deleted. Obviously the judge/magistrates did not consider it a major crime. Good guy or bad, who knows.

[boomerangutang]

I've been wondering why there has not really been any other stories of possible murder or rape on Koh Tao coming out in the media in the wake of this if it is as prevalent as some people have made out.

This case has stirred up some thoughts in my mind concerning some other crimes against young healthy backpacking farang in Thailand's southern beach areas. Two which stick out:

Two Norwegian women, early 20's, went back to their rented room on Ko Phi Phi. Both died that night. Cops first floated the idea that it was poisonous fish for dinner. That idea was obviously wrong.

Two Canadian sisters, also around 20, went back to their apartment, also on Phi Phi island. Both died. One or two Portuguese men walked them back to their hotel room that night, but the men split for home, and were never interviewed by Thai cops.

The mentions of how common date-rape drugs are, on this newer topic (David and Hannah), Thai beach resorts, sheds a harsh light on the four women who died overnight on Phi Phi within hours of being out partying. If I was chief of police, I would initiate a campaign to find out all I could about date-rape drugs, who's dealing them, their ingredients, who is using them, etc. It looks like there are a number of murderers hanging out at Thai beach resorts. Some intentionally murder, and some merely contribute to others' deaths by giving overdoses. Some of the murderers are farang and some Thai, but regardless, it's Shitsville for our sisters and daughters - and it seems to be on-going. If any young pretty farang woman asks me whether it's safe to visit Thailand, I'll say, "yes, but not at the beach resorts."

Are those cases closed, or is there at least one investigator keeping an eye open for finding the murderers? That's probably a naive question.

[Mackie]

I've been wondering why there has not really been any other stories of possible murder or rape on Koh Tao coming out in the media in the wake of this if it is as prevalent as some people have made out.

This case has stirred up some thoughts in my mind concerning some other crimes against young healthy backpacking farang in Thailand's southern beach areas. Two which stick out:

Two Norwegian women, early 20's, went back to their rented room on Ko Phi Phi. Both died that night. Cops first floated the idea that it was poisonous fish for dinner. That idea was obviously wrong.

Two Canadian sisters, also around 20, went back to their apartment, also on Phi Phi island. Both died. One or two Portuguese men walked them back to their hotel room that night, but the men split for home, and were never interviewed by Thai cops.

The mentions of how common date-rape drugs are, on this newer topic (David and Hannah), Thai beach resorts, sheds a harsh light on the four women who died overnight on Phi Phi within hours of being out partying. If I was chief of police, I would initiate a campaign to find out all I could about date-rape drugs, who's dealing them, their ingredients, who is using them, etc. It looks like there are a number of murderers hanging out at Thai beach resorts. Some intentionally murder, and some merely contribute to others' deaths by giving overdoses. Some of the murderers are farang and some Thai, but regardless, it's Shitsville for our sisters and daughters - and it seems to be on-going. If any young pretty farang woman asks me whether it's safe to visit Thailand, I'll say, "yes, but not at the beach resorts."

Are those cases closed, or is there at least one investigator keeping an eye open for finding the murderers? That's probably a naive question.

You've got to ask yourself a question what attracts those youngsters to Thai islands. The truth is ugly. Drugs and parties, the point where supply and demand meet.. All those young backpackers and others are more than happy to take drugs during the party time.

Incidentally, there is another British family which lost their son 0n Koh Tao this year. It's high time someone went after those responsible.

Nick Pearson's body was discovered in the sea close to the beach where British backpackers Hannah Witheridge and David Miller were murdered a month ago

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thailand-beach-death-parents-convinced-4410135#ixzz3Fjqqybqf

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Currently an investigation is under way in the UK headed by a Detective Chief Inspector Kevin Hayward but Britain’s official line is.

"We are concerned about the reports of allegations of mistreatment and expect these to be dealt with appropriately. The investigation and judicial process remains a matter for the Thai authorities, but we expect it to be conducted in a fair and transparent way.”

[testosterone]

could someone please TRANSLATE, what is written in thai in this pic (upper right, black box). its from csila90210 fb page

thank you.

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[boomerangutang]

You've got to ask yourself a question what attracts those youngsters to Thai islands. The truth is ugly. Drugs and parties, the point where supply and demand meet.. All those young backpackers and others are more than happy to take drugs during the party time.

There's a difference between doing drugs for kicks and being slipped a mickey (clandestinely drugging you without your knowing). And the drugs are different. Drugs of choice are ecstacy, pot, alcohol, and a few others which get you ripped or stoned or whatever. The date-rape drugs render a girl helpless to fend off rapists. Big difference.

Date rape is bad, violent rape is worse, gang rape is worse still, and of course the worst of all is rape followed by murder.

Indications are date-rape drugs were/are used regularly at places like AC bar on Ko Tao. It's obvious why girls don't want to report such abuses after the fact:

>>> they're already hurt and traumatized, and to have to take added days off of their vacation time to deal with male cops, who compel victim to repeat, over and over, the most succint details of the rape. And, if the girl sticks it out, she's told there could be a court case months hence. She'll have to hire an attorney, AND pay court costs (minimum Bt.15,000 baht).

>>> also, as mentioned earlier posts, rape victims on Ko Tao (if they're raped by any Thais with connections to Big Shot people there) will very likely be threatened with bodily harm or worse if they dare to speak out against the rapist.

[SteveFong]

the view from Burma

https://democracyforburma.wordpress.com/2014/09/15/update-710-thailand-2-british-tourists-been-murder-on-sairee-beach-koh-tao/