DNA results from Ko Tao village head’s son don't match traces on slain British tourists

[thailandchilli]

@boomerangutang

you were right, they want to railroad this before the inquest and truth comes out. The glee club will now be happy they get there chance to see the evidence but unfortunately are blind to the real issue here, justice.

[expat_4_life]

Looks like the case is back in the News ....

Latest development (https://twitter.com/Atomicalandy)

Samui prosecutor announces investigation into Koh Tao murders complete, will prosecute Zaw Lin/Wai Phyo next week.

I have wanted a trial since the arrest.

This news is going to piss off the people saying it would just disappear.

Now we'll have 2 trials to comment on, the murders and the Thai Justice system.

[KunMatt]

Looks like the case is back in the News ....

Latest development (https://twitter.com/Atomicalandy)

Samui prosecutor announces investigation into Koh Tao murders complete, will prosecute Zaw Lin/Wai Phyo next week.

Can't wait to see all of the police's evidence for the case during the trial.

[jdinasia]

Looks like the case is back in the News ....

Latest development (https://twitter.com/Atomicalandy)

Samui prosecutor announces investigation into Koh Tao murders complete, will prosecute Zaw Lin/Wai Phyo next week.

I have wanted a trial since the arrest.

This news is going to piss off the people saying it would just disappear.

Now we'll have 2 trials to comment on, the murders and the Thai Justice system.

3: you left out the trial by social media.

[jdinasia]

Looks like the case is back in the News ....

Latest development (https://twitter.com/Atomicalandy)

Samui prosecutor announces investigation into Koh Tao murders complete, will prosecute Zaw Lin/Wai Phyo next week.

Can't wait to see all of the police's evidence for the case during the trial.

We actually agree on this. I am also interested in how the judges deal with the confessions.

[thailandchilli]

Looks like the case is back in the News ....

Latest development (https://twitter.com/Atomicalandy)

Samui prosecutor announces investigation into Koh Tao murders complete, will prosecute Zaw Lin/Wai Phyo next week.

I have wanted a trial since the arrest.

This news is going to piss off the people saying it would just disappear.

Now we'll have 2 trials to comment on, the murders and the Thai Justice system.

3: you left out the trial by social media.

Of which you are the head prosecutor

[jdinasia]

No.

While I think that they have the killers in custody, I am not sure of it.

[KunMatt]

No.

While I think that they have the killers in custody, I am not sure of it.

Apart from their confessions what other reasons do you think the B2 are the killers?

[thailandchilli]

No.

While I think that they have the killers in custody, I am not sure of it.

Unbelievable, if your not sure then by definition you have to believe there is also the possibility of the real killers being out there still!

[jdinasia]

No.

While I think that they have the killers in custody, I am not sure of it.

Apart from their confessions what other reasons do you think the B2 are the killers?

DNA

Motive

Means

Opportunity

Multiple confessions

[jdinasia]

No.

While I think that they have the killers in custody, I am not sure of it.

Unbelievable, if your not sure then by definition you have to believe there is also the possibility of the real killers being out there still!

I have always maintained that possibility. That I think they have the killers in custody; not that I was sure of it.

[jdinasia]

Looks like the case is back in the News ....

Latest development (https://twitter.com/Atomicalandy)

Samui prosecutor announces investigation into Koh Tao murders complete, will prosecute Zaw Lin/Wai Phyo next week.

I have wanted a trial since the arrest.

This news is going to piss off the people saying it would just disappear.

Now we'll have 2 trials to comment on, the murders and the Thai Justice system.

3: you left out the trial by social media.

Of which you are the head prosecutor

The difference between me and the majority of the conspiracy theorists is that I have never claimed to know for sure who killed them.

[KunMatt]

No.

While I think that they have the killers in custody, I am not sure of it.

Apart from their confessions what other reasons do you think the B2 are the killers?

DNA

Motive

Means

Opportunity

Multiple confessions

I said apart from their confessions.

Their motive was to murder? If not why didn't they just find a girl on her own to rape instead of chancing a battle?

Being child like Asians against 2 larger expats I don't agree that they had the means.

Living on an island totally controlled by several mafia families I don't agree that they had the opportunity either, especially as the beach of the murders is literally the back yard of a certain headmans family. Mon owns the bar on Sairee beach that the other expat was found dead outside a few weeks ago. So anything thay was going to happen on that island, let alone that beach would have been known about by the mafia.

So basically all you have left is the DNA. Right?

[thailandchilli]

No.

While I think that they have the killers in custody, I am not sure of it.

Unbelievable, if your not sure then by definition you have to believe there is also the possibility of the real killers being out there still!

I have always maintained that possibility. That I think they have the killers in custody; not that I was sure of it.

Yes you have always maintained that agreed, however you didn't reply to my question, as that statement logically means that you must believe there is a possibility that the real killers are still out there.

[jdinasia]

No.

While I think that they have the killers in custody, I am not sure of it.

Apart from their confessions what other reasons do you think the B2 are the killers?

DNA

Motive

Means

Opportunity

Multiple confessions

I said apart from their confessions.

Their motive was to murder? If not why didn't they just find a girl on her own to rape instead of chancing a battle?

Being child like Asians against 2 larger expats I don't agree that they had the means.

Living on an island totally controlled by several mafia families I don't agree that they had the opportunity either, especially as the beach of the murders is literally the back yard of a certain headmans family. Mon owns the bar on Sairee beach that the other expat was found dead outside a few weeks ago. So anything thay was going to happen on that island, let alone that beach would have been known about by the mafia.

So basically all you have left is the DNA. Right?

Wrong.

Motive includes theft. Any reports of cash found?

Multiple confessions including the confession to the NHRC commissioner.

Means includes the weapon(s)

Opportunity means that they were present.

[jdinasia]

No.

While I think that they have the killers in custody, I am not sure of it.

Unbelievable, if your not sure then by definition you have to believe there is also the possibility of the real killers being out there still!

I have always maintained that possibility. That I think they have the killers in custody; not that I was sure of it.

Yes you have always maintained that agreed, however you didn't reply to my question, as that statement logically means that you must believe there is a possibility that the real killers are still out there.

What part of "I have always maintained that possibility " do you not understand?

[KunMatt]

No.

While I think that they have the killers in custody, I am not sure of it.

Apart from their confessions what other reasons do you think the B2 are the killers?

DNA

Motive

Means

Opportunity

Multiple confessions

I said apart from their confessions.

Their motive was to murder? If not why didn't they just find a girl on her own to rape instead of chancing a battle?

Being child like Asians against 2 larger expats I don't agree that they had the means.

Living on an island totally controlled by several mafia families I don't agree that they had the opportunity either, especially as the beach of the murders is literally the back yard of a certain headmans family. Mon owns the bar on Sairee beach that the other expat was found dead outside a few weeks ago. So anything thay was going to happen on that island, let alone that beach would have been known about by the mafia.

So basically all you have left is the DNA. Right?

Wrong.

Motive includes theft. Any reports of cash found?

Multiple confessions including the confession to the NHRC commissioner.

Means includes the weapon(s)

Opportunity means that they were present.

If the motive was theft then why chance a battle with 2 expats? They work in a bar on an island full of hotels where expats leave their belongings all day while they go out to dive and drink all night. There are much easier ways to thieve from customers and tourists and get away with it instead of having to murder two large expats on a mafia island.

I said apart from confessions.

If they had a fight with the expats then how did they sustain no injuries themselves?

All we know is that they were on the beach several hours before the murders. There is nothing placing them at the scene at the time of the murders.

So all you have left is the DNA.

[philw]

No.

While I think that they have the killers in custody, I am not sure of it.

Apart from their confessions what other reasons do you think the B2 are the killers?

DNA

Motive

Means

Opportunity

Multiple confessions

Multiple confessions ????????????

Now retracted and originally taken under duress anyway.

Blind Freddie can see that these kids did not do it and are being set up.

[Artisi]

So if this goes the distance for the B2, once they are formally indicted, then how soon would the trial start, days or months, anybody have an opinion on this?

I would guess they would try to hang it out until after the inquest inquest on 6th January 2015 for Hannah in the UK. They must be very concerned about the statements that will be revealed from the witness's, police, the verdict and narrative that will be given from the coroner. So to cover their backs perhaps they will wait till its completed?

I think Thai officialdom has wanted to railroad the B2 toward conviction all along. Remember when the 2nd head cop investigator was appointed, how quick things happened. Within hours, the B3 (B2 + 1) were questioned in the 'safe house,' guilty verdicts were signed, DNA matched, and the reenactment took place. If it hadn't been for pesky social media, the B2 (one of the B was put aside) would probably be sitting on death row now. To wait for the UK inquest will enable that can of worms to be opened: namely: findings from objective detectives with miles more professionalism in crime scenes than any Thais, except perhaps Ms Porntip. BTW, every time JD sees Porntip's name mentioned, he immediately mentions her not-so-wise call on the faux bomb detectors. The real reason JD and authorities don't want Ms Porntip on the case is she's the best forensic expert in Thailand, and she's not afraid to counter what authorities dictate.

Correct re Ms Porntip, she made an absolute <removed>-up of the bomb detectors as did many other "experts" but lets face it, her expertise is forensics, not electronic and its derivatives.

And also, it's so easy to sight a wrong call in a field outside of their own to belittle someone's capabilities and use it as an excuse to say they are incapable of addressing their own expertise - cheap shots count for nothing.

[thailandchilli]

Jdinasia@What part of "I have always maintained that possibility " do you not understand?

The bit I don't understand is the fact that now you are admitting that potentially there are still killers on the loose, why would you not think about that and if you seek justice then why would you not look at other potential suspects who have been incriminated and acknowledged the possibility that they could be the killers at the time.

If you acknowledge that there are potential killers still on the loose then why would you disagree with advising people not to go there.

If you acknowledge that there are potential killers on the loose then why have you stayed silent about that, because having those doubts and saying nothing is akin to a conspiracy to keep silent and not warn other people about the dangers that are possibly there.

The list can go on and on but I will leave it there for now

[jdinasia]

And again "motive includes theft". Theft from your place of employment is risky. Add alcohol... + an attractive woman?

Confessions were not only made to the police. They also include a confession to the NHRC commissioner.

Opportunity : they were on the beach. They have no alibi for the time of the murders.

Means : weapons

Sorry but you don't get to control the narrative. All of the above plus DNA will be part of the case.

[jdinasia]

Jdinasia@What part of "I have always maintained that possibility " do you not understand?

The bit I don't understand is the fact that now you are admitting that potentially there are still killers on the loose, why would you not think about that and if you seek justice then why would you not look at other potential suspects who have been incriminated and acknowledged the possibility that they could be the killers at the time.

If you acknowledge that there are potential killers still on the loose then why would you disagree with advising people not to go there.

If you acknowledge that there are potential killers on the loose then why have you stayed silent about that, because having those doubts and saying nothing is akin to a conspiracy to keep silent and not warn other people about the dangers that are possibly there.

The list can go on and on but I will leave it there for now

"I have always maintained..."

[KunMatt]

And again "motive includes theft". Theft from your place of employment is risky. Add alcohol... + an attractive woman?

Confessions were not only made to the police. They also include a confession to the NHRC commissioner.

Opportunity : they were on the beach. They have no alibi for the time of the murders.

Means : weapons

Sorry but you don't get to control the narrative. All of the above plus DNA will be part of the case.

I'm not talking about the case. I asked what reasons you have to believe that they are the killers as you just stated. And all of your reasons could be totally invalid and proved to be hearsay.

So without the confessions what hard irrefutable evidence have you seen that makes you believe that they are the killers?

[thailandchilli]

poor deflection as normal

ignoring the questions and confirming everything we always knew about you and your 'conflict of interest' in Koh Tao

Thank god honest people here have been doing the things that you have tried to dismiss

[Artisi]

Thai PBS TV said that the Samui prosecutor is now satisfied with the evidence he has received from the police and expects that the trail of the 2B will start by the end of next week.

Satisfied with what, they have already been found guilty or has the BIB finally got all their ducks inline as far as the presented "evidence" (right or wrong) is coherent, logical and worth considering?

Edited November 28, 2014 by Artisi

[jdinasia]

No.

They don't deny being on the beach.

The weapon (s) are not hearsay.

Hearsay isn't a legal impediment. So the confession to the NHRC commissioner is possible.

Motive doesn't rely on hearsay.

DNA isn't hearsay.

So all aspects needed for conviction are present. The defense certainly has plenty to work with.

[thailandchilli]

And again "motive includes theft". Theft from your place of employment is risky. Add alcohol... + an attractive woman?

Confessions were not only made to the police. They also include a confession to the NHRC commissioner.

Opportunity : they were on the beach. They have no alibi for the time of the murders.

Means : weapons

Sorry but you don't get to control the narrative. All of the above plus DNA will be part of the case.

Yet police had also said on Tuesday that they were convinced that it was crime of jealously, passion or anger due to the extent of the injures to Ms Westridge and lack of any other motives, including robbery.

[jdinasia]

poor deflection as normal

ignoring the questions and confirming everything we always knew about you and your 'conflict of interest' in Koh Tao

Thank god honest people here have been doing the things that you have tried to dismiss

No deflection.

(I assume you are responding to me)

I have always maintained that possibility. The possibility I am wrong.

If I am wrong...

[boomerangutang]

I predicted that a mere mention of Ms Porntip would elicit responses from JD about some old case which she may have mis-called. JD can't address anything else re; Ms Porntip (whether she's a forensic expert, whether she would do a lot better job at investigating, whether she is brave enough to stand up to the dictates of officialdom). It all fits with my allegation: Everything JD and officials do and say, directly or indirectly, is for the purpose of shielding the headman's people. Even when JD says there's a possibility the B2 are not guilty, he/she won't consider the real killers could possibly be any of the headman's people.

BTW, I use the term; 'headman's people' because the headman has relatives, he has friends, and some of those friends/acquaintances are employees and/or cops. It's just simpler to lump them all together and say 'headman's people.' Not surprisingly, no police are being investigated on any level. Proof of that (if any were needed) was the cop who, along with Mon, threatened Sean with death (to keep his mouth shut), hours after the crimes. No DNA, no questions, zero investigation of him.

If cops inspected the bodies of the men who could be suspects, we haven't heard anything about it. Any man who assaulted David, will v. likely have had wounds and bruises. Similarly, cops haven't said a peep about anything to do with phone records, laundry, scenario in the bar that night, the true nature of David's wounds, the AC bouncer (Stingray Man) with the shark's tooth ring. That's just a partial list of the many things Thai cops either didn't do, or did but stuffed, because it might implicate some of the Headman's people.

Edited November 28, 2014 by boomerangutang

[jdinasia]

And again "motive includes theft". Theft from your place of employment is risky. Add alcohol... + an attractive woman?

Confessions were not only made to the police. They also include a confession to the NHRC commissioner.

Opportunity : they were on the beach. They have no alibi for the time of the murders.

Means : weapons

Sorry but you don't get to control the narrative. All of the above plus DNA will be part of the case.

Yet police had also said on Tuesday that they were convinced that it was crime of jealously, passion or anger due to the extent of the injures to Ms Westridge and lack of any other motives, including robbery.

Passion is included in the rape.