swissie Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 As it were, textbooks claim that Thai's originated from southern provinces of China and basically ended up as "Immigrants" here a long time ago. The language, based by a big part of intonation, same as in southern China. (China 5 different intonations, Thailand only 4). This in itself would support this theory. To my knowledge, conclusive DNA to settle the matter still outstanding. Next: Where did the Khmer (today's Cambodians) come from? And where did the Lao-People originally come from? Just curious. Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 NatGeo had a Genographic program on The Human Journey based on DNA studies. For Southern Asia the results were: These groups journeyed from Africa to Asia, settling in the region of southern China. There they were among the first people to develop rice agriculture. This event led to a population explosion, with human settlement expanding throughout the region. Some of this lineage went north into Japan, while others traveled south, eventually heading out to sea in the great Polynesian migrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thongkorn Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Lao was Thai a long time ago, Thais came from China to escape the fighting. Gengus Kan, united the Eight tribes, which to day is the modern China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I'm sure otocheater the oracle of all things Thai, will drop by shortly and tell us where she/he came from. That answer will be concise and usually finished with a smile :-) ... and I like that. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATF Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 In Southern China there are people who look exactly like Thais and live the same lifestyle around water with houses on stilts etc. Also the indigenous Taiwanese look very much Thai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daoyai Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I think some line came up from Indo /Malaly as that is also an area of very early human settlement (Java man) you can see that trait here in the south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipi Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I am no good at geography. But it seems to me like the northern Thais look more Nepalese than Chinese. Perhaps they originated from the Hymalayas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I think some line came up from Indo /Malaly as that is also an area of very early human settlement (Java man) you can see that trait here in the south. That natgeo program also shows another line that moved out of Africa along the coastline of Asia into Indonesia and with some eventually making up the Australian Aboriginal population. https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/human-journey/ I found the data interesting and no longer feel ashamed when someone thinks they're insulting me by calling me Neanderthal. I can now proudly state at least 2% of my genes are Neanderthal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seastallion Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Then there's the kon pa, the dark, frizzy hair, almost negroid people in the south too. I'd hazard that they either reverse migrated from the Pacific, or were the original out-of-Africa peoples to inhabit SE Asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otocheater Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Original from south of china. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otocheater Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I'm sure otocheater the oracle of all things Thai, will drop by shortly and tell us where she/he came from. That answer will be concise and usually finished with a smile :-) ... and I like that. . Thanks for inviting me Mr. David. Today I got headache cant fight!>< Xx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim armstrong Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Its still debatable that everything started in Africa. I would love to go back and study Anthropology, but now too lazy. I think that there has not been nearly enough research on early migrations throughout Asia. I was reading the story of a chinese academic who traced the origins of Buddhism all through SE Asia , India and the MIddle East. Fascinating stuff, especially when you look at Hmong and other tribes today who still migrate extensively. For me Vietnam is a great place to observe the differences in ethnic types, but I've not travelled much into China yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I'm sure otocheater the oracle of all things Thai, will drop by shortly and tell us where she/he came from. That answer will be concise and usually finished with a smile :-) ... and I like that. . Thanks for inviting me Mr. David. Today I got headache cant fight!>< Xx Sorry to hear that. Get well soon ... OH ... while I have you. Is it Pi ococheater, Khun ococheater, Miss ococheater ... something else? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otocheater Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I'm sure otocheater the oracle of all things Thai, will drop by shortly and tell us where she/he came from. That answer will be concise and usually finished with a smile :-) ... and I like that. . Thanks for inviting me Mr. David. Today I got headache cant fight!><Xx Sorry to hear that. Get well soon ... OH ... while I have you. Is it Pi ococheater, Khun ococheater, Miss ococheater ... something else? . Normally people called me Madam... ;-) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rak sa_ngop Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Then there's the kon pa, the dark, frizzy hair, almost negroid people in the south too. I'd hazard that they either reverse migrated from the Pacific, or were the original out-of-Africa peoples to inhabit SE Asia.Kon pa translates as forest people, the same as the orang asli in the Malay peninsula. Similar race to the original inhabitants of New Guinea and also the Australian aboriginals I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMHomeboy78 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 (edited) The origin of the T'ai race is a vexed question. During the 19th century informed opinion classified them as Altaic, along with Native Americans and several other races who were thought to have originated somewhere near the Altai Mountains in Central Asia. However, linguistic and genetic studies in recent years have challenged this theory insofar as it relates to the T'ai. The matter remains unresolved. The Shans [T'ai Yai], the Lao. and the Siamese are all descended from the same racial group, the T'ai, who made their first historical appearance in the 6th century BC. From that time onwards Chinese chronicles made frequent references to them. The Chinese referred to the T'ai as barbarians, but little meaning should be attached to this expression. They called all foreigners barbarians down to a very recent date, and doubtless the term is not even yet obsolete. The warlike kingdom of Nanchao had a majority T'ai population and its territory included most of what is now Yunnan. Between 757 and 763 AD Nanchao conquered the valley of the upper Irrawaddy. Returning in 832 they carried their conquests downriver as far as the delta region, destroying the Pyu capital near what is now Rangoon [Yangon]. They twice invaded China and on one occasion besieged Chengdu; also raiding Tongking and Annam, then under Chinese rule. The T'ai never ceased to be on the move, infiltrating south along the river valleys of central Indo-China. Small groups of them settled among the Khmers, the Mons, and the Burmese. T'ai mercenaries appear on the bas-reliefs of Angkor Wat. North of Raheng [Tak] at the junction of the Ping and Wang Rivers, the small independent T'ai state of Phayao came into existence as early as 1006. In the 12th century their settlements began to form small states under chieftains called chaos and sawbwas in what is today Northern Thailand, Upper Burma, and Laos. In 1238 two T'ai chiefs attacked and defeated the Khmer commander at Sukhotai, then the capital of the northwestern part of the Angkor Empire. They established a T'ai kingdom which was to become a powerful state under King Ramkhamheng in the latter half of the century. Kublai Khan's conquest of Nanchao in 1253 caused a mass-migration of T'ai southward, adding to the population of the small states already in existence. They continued to move south until they dominated most of what is today the Kingdom of Thailand. Edited November 2, 2014 by CMHomeboy78 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipi Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Brilliant CMHomeboy. You get the cigar. Great info. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy chef 1 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I'm sure otocheater the oracle of all things Thai, will drop by shortly and tell us where she/he came from. That answer will be concise and usually finished with a smile :-) ... and I like that. . I'm sure otocheater the oracle of all things Thai, will drop by shortly and tell us where she/he came from right now i guess from shopping... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 The origin of the T'ai race is a vexed question. ... Hi there. Can you please supply the link source of where your post came from? That is, unless you yourself are claiming authorship. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Is it Pi ococheater, Khun ococheater, Miss ococheater ... something else?. Normally people called me Madam... ;-) Is 'Madam ococheater' showing the appropriate amount of respect? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Thai has 5 different intonations not 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryfrompattaya Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Thais came from Heaven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMHomeboy78 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 The origin of the T'ai race is a vexed question. ... Hi there. Can you please supply the link source of where your post came from? That is, unless you yourself are claiming authorship. Thank you. Most of it is from my topic, 'Lanna T'ai - what's in the name?' which I posted a while ago on The TVCM Forum. My sources are diverse and too numerous to list. If there is a specific point you would like to discuss I will clarify it if I can. I'm a graphic artist, not an historian, but I have lived most of my adult life in Chiang Mai and I have an abiding interest in the history and culture of Northern Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 The origin of the T'ai race is a vexed question. ... Hi there. Can you please supply the link source of where your post came from? That is, unless you yourself are claiming authorship. Thank you. Most of it is from my topic, 'Lanna T'ai - what's in the name?' which I posted a while ago on The TVCM Forum. My sources are diverse and too numerous to list. If there is a specific point you would like to discuss I will clarify it if I can. I'm a graphic artist, not an historian, but I have lived most of my adult life in Chiang Mai and I have an abiding interest in the history and culture of Northern Thailand. OK. Thanks. I read your post as a paste it job without link and now I hear you telling me you did write it, at least now I think you are saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMHomeboy78 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 The origin of the T'ai race is a vexed question. ... Hi there. Can you please supply the link source of where your post came from? That is, unless you yourself are claiming authorship. Thank you. Most of it is from my topic, 'Lanna T'ai - what's in the name?' which I posted a while ago on The TVCM Forum. My sources are diverse and too numerous to list. If there is a specific point you would like to discuss I will clarify it if I can. I'm a graphic artist, not an historian, but I have lived most of my adult life in Chiang Mai and I have an abiding interest in the history and culture of Northern Thailand. OK. Thanks. I read your post as a paste it job without link and now I hear you telling me you did write it, at least now I think you are saying that. Yes, I did write it myself, but the facts are taken from the principal Thai historians - W.A.R. Wood; Camille Notton; Hans Penth; David Wyatt, and others. If the subject is of interest to you, I could recommend the series of ebooks by Andrew Forbes, Ancient Chiang Mai. Vols. 1 - 6. [CPA Media]. Dr.Forbes is currently the dean of Chiang Mai historians, and his work is full of interesting information. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otocheater Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Thais came from mother's tummy. It is the last answer. Okay na 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thongkorn Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Thais came from mother's tummy. It is the last answer. Okay na Not test tubes then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otocheater Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Thais came from mother's tummy. It is the last answer. Okay na Not test tubes thenErrr.. from natural or IVF and etc..still need to grow in mummy tummy...:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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