Bluespunk Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 The article clearly stated they were carrying the hoe for protection against rival groups (gangs).The question asked by Techikall was a reasonable one and gave no indication of blaming the victim. I am curious if the victim had been drinking with his two friends. Carrying a hoe for protection, yeah right.That's what every well hard teenager does. Nothing looks cooler than a hoe in your hand. Don't think that story carries any truth whatsoever, in fact I'd say its just BS. As for whether the German was drinking or not, why is that relevant? He wants to drink he can, it's not a crime, whereas unprovoked, premeditated, violent assault with a deadly weapon is. Why do you always look for argument and make more of a simple inquiry than exists? I simply asked if the German was drinking for the same reason I asked to know the actual time of the attack. Why? Because I like to know as many details as I can about an incident so I can learn from it and make educated, well informed opinions. Obviously, not a priority of many TV members. Good enough reason or do I need your permission in the future? Yer killin' me Blues. Nothing in my post or any previous post has suggested anything except this appears to be a violent assault against an innocent man. As for your claim that theses suspects would not have been carrying around a hoe for protection from rivals? Why not? These guys carry guns and knives all the time. It does not seem out of the ordinary at all they would be carrying a weapon at that hour of night. CC, seriously, how does whether the German had been drinking or not affect our understanding of the story? He was assaulted in a cowardly and vicious manner by thugs. Whether he was drinking or not is completely irrelevant. As for the vicious little thugs reason given for carrying the hoe around, come on, no way is that even in the same solar system as the truth. It's utter BS. If you felt I was insinuating you were justifying this attack, I apologise, that was not my intent. My reference to the violent actions of the thugs who assaulted the victim was merely intended as a contrast to any drinking he may or may not have done. He was doing nothing wrong and they had every intention of hurting someone. Anyone would do as long as they were defenseless and {as the OP would appear to allege} foreign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I wonder if the" Two Thai friends" helped him out The article said the Germans friends sustained wounds--one would assume they were from protecting their friend. The article said the two assaulters friends helped him in the attack. Maybe the link was not working for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loongdavid Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Having read the article in question it is yet another example of poor journalism accentuated by a 'shock' headline. Obviously the journalist in question spent little time actually investigating but relied heavily on hearsay, and second and third hand reports. How much time was spent in Isaan for example - none I guess! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Paul Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 At least this time due to the apparant swiftness of the RTP, it cannot any longer be said that THAIS would not do this, makes one look again at Koh Tao and now with htis, Egg on faces springs to mind and eat humble pie begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Albertnobgammer Posted November 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) I have been coming to Thailand since '97 and living here for more than 10 years and have definitely seen a lot of changes. It appears to me that they basically do not want foreigners living here these days, they like foreigners to come for a holiday, spend a load of cash but they do not want us living amongst them permanently. Whilst not justifying any of the action of these vermin, in a way I can start to understand it. Look at some of the Xenophobic junk they are taught at school, (I think there is one school book for 10 year olds that almost portrays westerners as some sort of perverted sex fiends - If I can get a scan of it I will post it, it is really unbelievable how they portray this to kids) look at the way that western foreigners are often portrayed. Then take a look at some of the "quality" tourists, thieves scammers and perverts they have had to endure, increasing year after year. Every day the media portray the foreigners as some sort of low life (sometimes rightly) - take a look at the recent case of the Yank sending baby body parts back using DHL - they instantly blame the foreigner, there is very little that seems to be asked about WHO SOLD this crap and WHERE did THEY get it! Put yourself in their situation, look at the outrage starting to get directed at Muslims in the West because of their terrible behavior, it has to rile people when they keep seeing these scum foreigners shown every day on TV and in the press, it would annoy me. Like I said, I do not condone anything like this and hope the German guy makes it, I can just see how SOME Thais will vent their rage and when they vent they are an evil bunch. I am quite lucky, it is pretty rural where I live and have been here for more than 10 years, never had any real animosity, but let's face it I know I will NEVER be accepted as being from here. We are also lucky that we have relatively few foreigners here, and certainly do not have the kind of crap that some of the Russians and some others have brought to Thailand. I would say though, if I was to start going round here scamming Thais, ripping them off, I would be "disappeared" very very quickly. I am not suggesting for one second that this poor German was scamming anyone, I am just trying to make a point of how some Thais perceive foreigners. As Billy Conneley once said "as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit" kind of sums up the way a lot of Thais feel about us. Edited November 17, 2014 by Albertnobgammer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) Blues, I wrote this in post #176: For instance, had the young man been out drinking all night or had he just woken up to watch the sunrise? Knowing this can give an intelligent person insight into how well he may have been able to fend off the attackers and can provide clues into how seriously his injuries are. ---------- I was curious about alcohol and about specific time of incident because I go for morning walk ps every day and I start before sunrise. I have an enlarged prostate and have to piss early and no sense trying to get back to bed. Early morning I can go for a walk and piss every 20' if its one of those mornings. So its useful to me to know if 5:00 in the morning is no longer safe? There are all these new posters nowadays and there constant stalking posts have been like a bad case of piles. I am spending so much time trying to get rid of their itch that I don't have the patience I should for convos with the regular guys like you. My apologies but it was you that read far more into my post than existed and suggested I was insinuating the German was at fault. Nothing could be further from the truth. Edited November 17, 2014 by ClutchClark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseldave1951 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 guilty till PROVEN INNOCENT must be your way of thinking ???? No doubt the perpetrators though they would go free just like the actual criminals on Kao Tao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseldave1951 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 how can they be free if there in sumui prison keepup or shut up TROLL guilty till PROVEN INNOCENT must be your way of thinking ???? No doubt the perpetrators though they would go free just like the actual criminals on Kao Tao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyexile Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) Copycat tourist attempted murders. Pure evil. Seems that all the xenophobic gangsta types with some fam money and connections feel immune. Westerners now `fair game`?. An attitude perceived as coming from the top Can any of us still really feel welcome in LOSt? Check out latest book by Stapleton. "Thailand most dangerous tourist destination on earth" "Visitor numbers expected to be down 1m this year. Edit link lost aol something Edited November 17, 2014 by heyexile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post monkeycountry Posted November 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2014 "All three suspects have been charged with physical assault leading to grave injuries. Pol.Col. Surin said a murder charge will also be filed if the man dies from his injuries." They have admitted they tried to copy the murder in Koh Tao, then why on earth are they not charged with the more serious charge of "attempted murder"?? Is there even one competent cop in Thailand? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchClark Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Having read the article in question it is yet another example of poor journalism accentuated by a 'shock' headline. Obviously the journalist in question spent little time actually investigating but relied heavily on hearsay, and second and third hand reports. How much time was spent in Isaan for example - none I guess! Begging your pardon but don't most reporters depend on hearsay? Isn't it all hearsay if they weren't witness to the event? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commerce Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 And there's the inevitable pointy finger, from the one whose family has dosh. It was them, Mr. Village Headman... I was in Bangkok at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperx Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 "All three suspects have been charged with physical assault leading to grave injuries. Pol.Col. Surin said a murder charge will also be filed if the man dies from his injuries." They have admitted they tried to copy the murder in Koh Tao, then why on earth are they not charged with the more serious charge of "attempted murder"?? Is there even one competent cop in Thailand? There's more than one but they are utterly overwhelmed by the incompetent ones, the worst in higher positions which is precisely what corruption produces. Who is likely to be in a position to pay multi millions for a better post - the rich corrupt cop or the poorly paid excellent one? That is the infection of corruption which people just do not think about. Supporting corruption raises the worst people to positions of the most power - exactly the problem with Thailand everywhere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ClutchClark Posted November 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2014 "All three suspects have been charged with physical assault leading to grave injuries. Pol.Col. Surin said a murder charge will also be filed if the man dies from his injuries." They have admitted they tried to copy the murder in Koh Tao, then why on earth are they not charged with the more serious charge of "attempted murder"?? Is there even one competent cop in Thailand? Well lets see. Within hours the RTP have identified the attackers, arrested the attackers, located the weapon used in the assault and gotten statements of guilt from the attackers. The police are ready to pursue additional charges. It would appear the only incompetence is in your ability to read the article? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 ...is it hatred, stupidity, wickedness? Maybe a combination. Who really knows....but there certainly seems to be an evil trait developing among young Thai men over the past few years...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunsetT Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 This is very upsetting...particularly to my wife and I. We spent many mornings in that park...just before sunrise. In the 3 years that we lived there, we went every day, and saw nothing like this. There was a gruesome murder of a bar owner by his own staff, at his house...but not random violence at the park. Police and military are helpless against this kind of violence. I know it sounds bad....because it is. Which Udon park was it? There are three popular parks. Nong Prajak is the biggest, and most popular for morning exercise. There are more gangs here than the other two smaller ones. Many more farangs use Nong Prajak... However, my wife and I used all the parks....although we lived closest to Nong Prajak. These gangs can be anywhere...at any park. It is not a big place. I know mate. I just wondered if it was the latest lake that was improved; Nong Bua, which I like and use. Before it was improved the lake area had a bad reputation for teenage crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Thailand is becoming less of a place to put on the travel list now. I wonder when stats will be forthcoming on just how dangerous Thailand is? I don't mean for foreign travellers but in general.. No Alwyn, Thailand is nowhere near as dangerous as the UK, even in Scotland, I read the news every day. For a nation of only four and a half million, hardly a day goes past without murders and rapes being reported, and there always seems to be a murder or assault trial going on. I feel much more safer here in Thailand, even in Pattaya and Bangkok than I do in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 This is very upsetting...particularly to my wife and I. We spent many mornings in that park...just before sunrise. In the 3 years that we lived there, we went every day, and saw nothing like this. There was a gruesome murder of a bar owner by his own staff, at his house...but not random violence at the park. Police and military are helpless against this kind of violence. I know it sounds bad....because it is. Which Udon park was it? There are three popular parks. Nong Prajak is the biggest, and most popular for morning exercise. There are more gangs here than the other two smaller ones. Many more farangs use Nong Prajak... However, my wife and I used all the parks....although we lived closest to Nong Prajak. These gangs can be anywhere...at any park. It is not a big place. I know mate. I just wondered if it was the latest lake that was improved; Nong Bua, which I like and use. Before it was improved the lake area had a bad reputation for teenage crime. I am sure we will find out. Must be some Thai gossip going around Udon by now....I am thinking Nong Prajak. Saw hundreds of scooters and kids parked at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan653 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I can't help but be very concerned about my safety as well as other farang's safety here now. I too, will consider getting the heck out of here. I pray that the German man does recover and can lead a some what normal life, although how can anyone really recover from something this horrible. Just hope that these scum get executed. The sooner the better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travel Dude Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Sick Sick minds..! Completely deranged! And yes, lets not blame the Police or the Army for this. This is unavoidable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffinator Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Surely not ... didn't the RTP announce during the Koh Tao murders that a Thai would never commit such an heinous crime ... must be those Burmese masquerading as Thais. Let's hope the German guy pulls through. Crime where I live is almost nil but there again I now live in a reasonably civilized country where nationalism, narcissism, greed and corruption are not the main agenda for the citizens. Seriously you couldn't pay me enough to enter Thailand ... ever again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Becomes more dangerous here. I think I'm going to apply for a gun license. Looks as foreigners can be robbed, assaulted, beaten up and killed here without any penalty. 500 baht bail and these criminals are tomorrow again outside. I think many of us have thought of arming ourselves at some time here....but the consequences for a falang, if we did shoot and kill or harm, would be dire......I'm pretty sure we would get a whole lot more than a small fine and slap! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen terry Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Having read the article in question it is yet another example of poor journalism accentuated by a 'shock' headline. Obviously the journalist in question spent little time actually investigating but relied heavily on hearsay, and second and third hand reports. How much time was spent in Isaan for example - none I guess! I don't agree.The report contains the essence of the necessary information as to what happened, plus the link to the definitive article. As to the shock headline, the perps admitted it was a copy-cat dare of the Koh Tao murders with a hoe. Where it happened, is of lesser importance and doesn't need a Google map to pin-point the location. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Albertnobgammer Posted November 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) Racial hatred is rife in this country. Any westerner who understands Thai fluently need only spend five minutes in a public place to know this. I know exactly what you mean, however I am not sure if it is actually racial hatred, I think a lot of it is an institutional indoctrination of Thai superiority that is practiced everyday in every Thai institution. It is taught in school, it is part of Thai media, it is everywhere. I think it is basically a case of the leaders of the country using some sort of quasi Nationalism to keep the dumb dumb, they continually try to tell their own people how superior they are to everyone else despite the obvious error. It sort of makes the poor and the uneducated get a feeling of being smart, where in reality, they are dumb, and the irony of it is, when the chips are down, their own leaders know they are dumb but know how to manipulate them, their entire education system is based on rote learning and making people obey and be subservient to the "superior Thais" they do not want this to be questioned, if the average Joe woke up here there would be a revolution. It is so much easier to get the masses to focus on the foreigner than let them understand what a sham and a disgrace the people with power here have. Edited November 17, 2014 by Albertnobgammer 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 ...is it hatred, stupidity, wickedness? Maybe a combination. Who really knows....but there certainly seems to be an evil trait developing among young Thai men over the past few years...... They are handed scooters, cars, and cash to run around freely. There are no alternative forms of fun...just malingering, gang rivalry, and drinking/drugs. Mom, dad, teachers, police and municipal hall have to inclination to teach any precepts of decent behavior. Sorry..but true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yougivemebaby Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 This is why foreigners should have guns.. If you can't buy one under your own name then you should get one under your wife's name. Yes it's come to that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 wow, skip the trial, shoot these dogs in the street. a public execution is in order i feel. I agree with you, but the problem is that some innocent person may get executed. Have to be careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangraiTony Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I've been casually looking at walking sticks (Canes) for quite awhile but just can't seem to find the right one. The other day while sitting down and eating dinner at a restaurant in walks this older man with his wife. He was using what appeared to be a Cane. As he walked passed my table and upon closer examination the Cane that he was using wasn't a Cane at all... He was using a Golf Club for his Cane. I've now stopped looking and I know exactly what type of multi purpose Cane I'll start using. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwyn Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Thailand is becoming less of a place to put on the travel list now. I wonder when stats will be forthcoming on just how dangerous Thailand is? I don't mean for foreign travellers but in general.. No Alwyn, Thailand is nowhere near as dangerous as the UK, even in Scotland, I read the news every day. For a nation of only four and a half million, hardly a day goes past without murders and rapes being reported, and there always seems to be a murder or assault trial going on. I feel much more safer here in Thailand, even in Pattaya and Bangkok than I do in Scotland. Hi, I didn't suggest is is as dangerous as the UK or Scotland! To be honest I only ever had a couple of run in's but that was with drunk expats and a tourist, and once with a taxi driver when I was collecting my daughter and boyfriend from a hotel (I don't need to explain the basis of that row). I always felt safe in Thailand particularly in Chiang Mai. But then I always feel safe wherever I am, even when I contracted in Brasil for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveG Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 You've got to be worried if you happen to be a Burmese worker living in the area. Of course the beautiful Thai people could never do such a thing - Where are those Burmese nasties?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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