Pheu Thai, UDD boycott 'won't hurt charter'

[Lite Beer]

CHARTER WRITING
Pheu Thai, UDD boycott 'won't hurt charter'
The Sunday Nation

BANGKOK: -- A key National Reform Council member yesterday dismissed concerns that the charter drafting process would be disrupted if political bodies associated with the Thaksin Shinawatra camp boycotted the process.

Direk Thuengfang, deputy chairman of the NRC's special committee on politics, said that there would not be any problems if the Pheu Thai Party and the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship refused to contribute their ideas and proposals in the process.

He said that as long as the NRC worked in the country's interest and without discrimination, the next charter should be widely accepted by the public.

He also ruled out any negative repercussions over the rising trend of anti-coup protests, saying the protesters would be reined in because martial law was still in force.

General Lertrat Ratanavanich, Constitution Drafting Committee spokesman, allayed fears that the charter drafting process would be marred by protests, saying the majority of the country supported the move to write the new constitution.

"If there is not a new charter, there will not be an election and the country will not overcome our deadlock. We must push for reform and the new charter, he said.

Lertrat said the CDC's 10 subcommittees would work separately and submit their 10 final frameworks to the CDC, which would also receive ideas from the National Council for Peace and Order, the Cabinet, the National Legislative Assembly and the National Reform Council within 60 days. The CDC would then be able to write each provision in January, he said.

Panitan Wattanayagorn, adviser to Deputy Prime Minister Prawit Wongsuwan who is in charge of the country's security, said the government would give different treatment to people based on how they exercised their freedom of expression.

Panitan said that in response to those who intended to cause strife, security officials would pull the reins while the CDC would accept proposals and opinions from those with righteous intention. He said the government would identify rules for holding public hearings and seminars for charter writing contributions.

"They must discuss the future and not what happened six months ago," he said. "Though it may be difficult not to talk about the past when we want to discuss reconciliation, speakers should just cite it as an example in order to get the whole picture of the future.''

Panitan said the government feared that political groups could be backing anti-coup protests or ill-intentioned groups were exploiting protesters to their advantage and thereby causing conflict.

Security agencies over the next six months would try to prevent any political confrontation by relying on intelligence from local agencies.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Pheu-Thai-UDD-boycott-wont-hurt-charter-30248368.html

-- The Nation 2014-11-23

[NongKhaiKid]

Does it matter if no outside opinions are received as the NRC will be working to their own script and calling for the views of others is just windows dressing.

[Mango Bob]

Doesn't matter what anyone really thinks. They already know what they are going to write.

[RustBucket]

Who cares what a corrupt party and their terrorist outfit have to contribute to Thailand's future charter.

They won't be sticking by any of its articles anyway when the time comes (unless the articles suit their agenda at the time).

They have a habit of going against the charter and then calling up certain articles to protect themselves at a later date.

[whybother]

Does it matter if no outside opinions are received as the NRC will be working to their own script and calling for the views of others is just windows dressing.

I would imagine that there would be a lot of areas of the constitution that they don't need "a script" for, and will be an exact copy of the previous 2 constitutions. Some of those areas could do with some outside input.

[scorecard]

"Panitan said the government feared that political groups could be backing anti-coup protests or ill-intentioned groups were exploiting protesters to their advantage and thereby causing conflict."

Regardless, there will no doubt whatever there will be elements of the past, all flavors who will try to derail the process, all aimed at trying to restore their own access to the trough and with zero conscience.

IMHO there is little doubt these people already have serious disruption plans and are ready to roll.

These groups are a serious threat to Thailand moving forward with benefits for all Thais and the good general needs to watch and control them carefully.

[FangFerang]

Who cares what a corrupt party and their terrorist outfit have to contribute to Thailand's future charter.

They won't be sticking by any of its articles anyway when the time comes (unless the articles suit their agenda at the time).

They have a habit of going against the charter and then calling up certain articles to protect themselves at a later date.

Ironically, you described both sides of the political divide rather concisely.

[The stuttering parrot]

Why should the UDD/PTP take any part is BS process.

They should leading the way and telling every party to boycott anything this junta suggests.

The junta has stacked the deck and it doesn't matter what input anyone has because it's designed to get the yellow dems over the line.

The UDD / PTP / thaksin/ yingluck camp or however the bias attitude adjusted media want portray them really don't have to do anything .

The general and the junta are now showing their true intentions as they try and ramp up their readjustment of the people to make them happy however unfortunately for them in these modern times their actions receive widespread coverage and all this is backfiring and they will be punished at the polls.

For a bloke who wants to bring happiness he sure is an angry dude!

[whybother]

Why should the UDD/PTP take any part is BS process.

They should leading the way and telling every party to boycott anything this junta suggests.

The junta has stacked the deck and it doesn't matter what input anyone has because it's designed to get the yellow dems over the line.

The UDD / PTP / thaksin/ yingluck camp or however the bias attitude adjusted media want portray them really don't have to do anything .

The general and the junta are now showing their true intentions as they try and ramp up their readjustment of the people to make them happy however unfortunately for them in these modern times their actions receive widespread coverage and all this is backfiring and they will be punished at the polls.

For a bloke who wants to bring happiness he sure is an angry dude!

One reason to take part is that it's more proactive and more effective.

Not everything the junta has done has been bad, so by saying *everything* is bad just makes it harder to get the right message out about the things that really *are* bad.

It's more effective to highlight the bad things if you're not screaming about everything.

[scorecard]

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Why should the UDD/PTP take any part is BS process.

They should leading the way and telling every party to boycott anything this junta suggests.

The junta has stacked the deck and it doesn't matter what input anyone has because it's designed to get the yellow dems over the line.

The UDD / PTP / thaksin/ yingluck camp or however the bias attitude adjusted media want portray them really don't have to do anything .

The general and the junta are now showing their true intentions as they try and ramp up their readjustment of the people to make them happy however unfortunately for them in these modern times their actions receive widespread coverage and all this is backfiring and they will be punished at the polls.

For a bloke who wants to bring happiness he sure is an angry dude!

So I guess you would prefer to go back to the last mob of no conscience dictators / thieves who were seriously raping the country and proclaiming daily that they were protecting democracy and in 10+ years had never once announced, discussed or introduced any policies to gain a good quality of life for all Thais through their own productivity?

Edited November 23, 2014 by scorecard

[djjamie]

Of course it won't make any difference if they give input. They are a spent force. They have shown nothing but contempt to the people of Thailand and that narrative will continue. When it comes to moving the country forward in a positive way they are no were to be seen. When it comes to moving themselves forward they are very vocal.

The most popular PM in the last decade has shown democratic grace in inviting all parties to the forum to discuss the way forward. Imagine if they didn't invite the parties what the comments would be from the red apologists. Of course even when they did the comments evolve into new ways to denounce them. Typical of the doom and gloomers that do not want to see Thailand move forward.

[djjamie]

Doesn't matter what anyone really thinks. They already know what they are going to write.

What would you prefer. A token invite from an unelected Junta and then do it your way OR no invite from a democratically elected government and have the courts force you to involve the people and then do it your way anyway like the previous regimes standard operating procedure.

Seems the Junta are more democratic in some ways than previous regimes!

[fab4]

Well here we are, 2007 referendum deja vu

General Lertrat Ratanavanich, Constitution Drafting Committee spokesman, allayed fears that the charter drafting process would be marred by protests, saying the majority of the country supported the move to write the new constitution.

"If there is not a new charter, there will not be an election and the country will not overcome our deadlock. We must push for reform and the new charter, he said.

the majority of the country supported the move to write the new constitution.

Really? When did they ask? Notice he clarified that position in his next sentence. You will support the new charter or there will be no election. Now where and when has that been heard before?

Junta Constitution 2007 Referendum

Government officials have gone to pains to link plans for a real election with asuccessful referendum. Last week Defense Minister Boonrawd Somtas told reporters that an election “can take place only if the new constitution passes the referendum.” The 17 million baht that the government has already spent on advertising to encourage a Yes vote has also linked the referendum to an election, implying that a No will simply mean longer military rule. What’s more, coup leader Sonthi Boonyaratglin has reportedly ordered soldiers in all regions “to publicize the charter to residents.”

http://www.asiasentinel.com/politics/thailand-on-spin-cycle/

Plus ca change.......................................

[ramrod711]

Direk Thuengfang, deputy chairman of the NRC's special committee on politics, said that there would not be any problems if the Pheu Thai Party and the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship refused to contribute their ideas and proposals in the process.

Thaksin thinks PTP does, no sense inviting them. Any ideas they present will have come via Skype from a fugitive criminal. They have nothing constructive to add, now or ever.

[tbthailand]

Why should the UDD/PTP take any part is BS process.

They should leading the way and telling every party to boycott anything this junta suggests.

The junta has stacked the deck and it doesn't matter what input anyone has because it's designed to get the yellow dems over the line.

The UDD / PTP / thaksin/ yingluck camp or however the bias attitude adjusted media want portray them really don't have to do anything .

The general and the junta are now showing their true intentions as they try and ramp up their readjustment of the people to make them happy however unfortunately for them in these modern times their actions receive widespread coverage and all this is backfiring and they will be punished at the polls.

For a bloke who wants to bring happiness he sure is an angry dude!

One reason to take part is that it's more proactive and more effective.

Not everything the junta has done has been bad, so by saying *everything* is bad just makes it harder to get the right message out about the things that really *are* bad.

It's more effective to highlight the bad things if you're not screaming about everything.

so you think that PTP and UDD should participate?

As for a political strategy, since participation is purely a political question, if they do, it will of course not impact the result. The best they can hope for is a stage from which to propose truly democratic ideas without (such) a threat of mini-vacations in non-disclosed military resorts.

But the 2 groups can do the same without participating and without any implication of validating the process which they must view as illegitimate.

It's a mixed bag either way.

[tomross46]

The UDD/PTP are controlled by an organized crime family. Known as the Shin Dynasty.

Edited November 23, 2014 by tomross46

[tbthailand]

Of course it won't make any difference if they give input. They are a spent force. They have shown nothing but contempt to the people of Thailand and that narrative will continue. When it comes to moving the country forward in a positive way they are no were to be seen. When it comes to moving themselves forward they are very vocal.

The most popular PM in the last decade has shown democratic grace in inviting all parties to the forum to discuss the way forward. Imagine if they didn't invite the parties what the comments would be from the red apologists. Of course even when they did the comments evolve into new ways to denounce them. Typical of the doom and gloomers that do not want to see Thailand move forward.

They have shown nothing but contempt to the people of Thailand

not that you are nuts or anything, but you might have overlooked the fact that they ARE a significant part of the people of Thailand and it is your 'most popular PM in the last decade' along with the traditional royalist-elites and military who have demonstrably shown contempt for large swaths of Thai society for much of the last century. History is very clear about this. Well, not the current history taught in Thai schools, but, ... you know.

[tbthailand]

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Why should the UDD/PTP take any part is BS process.

They should leading the way and telling every party to boycott anything this junta suggests.

The junta has stacked the deck and it doesn't matter what input anyone has because it's designed to get the yellow dems over the line.

The UDD / PTP / thaksin/ yingluck camp or however the bias attitude adjusted media want portray them really don't have to do anything .

The general and the junta are now showing their true intentions as they try and ramp up their readjustment of the people to make them happy however unfortunately for them in these modern times their actions receive widespread coverage and all this is backfiring and they will be punished at the polls.

For a bloke who wants to bring happiness he sure is an angry dude!

So I guess you would prefer to go back to the last mob of no conscience dictators / thieves who were seriously raping the country and proclaiming daily that they were protecting democracy and in 10+ years had never once announced, discussed or introduced any policies to gain a good quality of life for all Thais through their own productivity?

are your posts always full of lies?

[whybother]

so you think that PTP and UDD should participate?

As for a political strategy, since participation is purely a political question, if they do, it will of course not impact the result. The best they can hope for is a stage from which to propose truly democratic ideas without (such) a threat of mini-vacations in non-disclosed military resorts.

But the 2 groups can do the same without participating and without any implication of validating the process which they must view as illegitimate.

It's a mixed bag either way.

They would have to come up with some "truly democratic ideas" before they could propose them.

Their problem at the moment (and with a few posters here) is that all they will do is say "Junta therefore constitution bad", when 90% of this constitution will most likely be exactly the same as the 1997 "peoples" constitution.

To be more effective, they need to be specific about their criticisms and explain why they don't like particular sections. Of course they could do that with out being involved, but I think it would be more effective for them if they were involved.

[Fat Haggis]

Who cares what a corrupt party and their terrorist outfit have to contribute to Thailand's future charter.

They won't be sticking by any of its articles anyway when the time comes (unless the articles suit their agenda at the time).

They have a habit of going against the charter and then calling up certain articles to protect themselves at a later date.

Yes but what about the PTP and UDD ? ?

[Fat Haggis]

Im surprised that Jamie isn't full of splinters from the amount of straws he keeps clutching !!

[Bakseeda]

Doesn't matter what anyone really thinks. They already know what they are going to write.

"Doesn't matter what anyone really thinks" . What does this mean ..? and doesn't matter to who... the person thinking or someone else, who would have to be psychic to know what someone else is thinking.. Oh, but that's you Bob...You already know what they are going to write.. right..?

[mikemac]

Doesn't matter what anyone really thinks. They already know what they are going to write.

"Doesn't matter what anyone really thinks" . What does this mean ..? and doesn't matter to who... the person thinking or someone else, who would have to be psychic to know what someone else is thinking.. Oh, but that's you Bob...You already know what they are going to write.. right..?

How the heck would the mango know what they are going to write ? He does not even know what he is going to write !

[mikemac]

Im surprised that Jamie isn't full of splinters from the amount of straws he keeps clutching !!

Oh come on Fatty, stick to what you do best ! Defending the indefensible and pushing snowballs up hills in a heatwave.

And leave Jamie out of it, unless the truth does hurt that much.

[Baerboxer]

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Why should the UDD/PTP take any part is BS process.

They should leading the way and telling every party to boycott anything this junta suggests.

The junta has stacked the deck and it doesn't matter what input anyone has because it's designed to get the yellow dems over the line.

The UDD / PTP / thaksin/ yingluck camp or however the bias attitude adjusted media want portray them really don't have to do anything .

The general and the junta are now showing their true intentions as they try and ramp up their readjustment of the people to make them happy however unfortunately for them in these modern times their actions receive widespread coverage and all this is backfiring and they will be punished at the polls.

For a bloke who wants to bring happiness he sure is an angry dude!

So I guess you would prefer to go back to the last mob of no conscience dictators / thieves who were seriously raping the country and proclaiming daily that they were protecting democracy and in 10+ years had never once announced, discussed or introduced any policies to gain a good quality of life for all Thais through their own productivity?

are your posts always full of lies?

Taking the years Thaksin controlled political parties have been in government or caretaker mode (including the period Thaksin illegally appointed himself PM) as a reference point. During this time

1. How much has the average Thai families wealth increased, in absolute and %?

2. How much has the Shin family wealth increased in absolute and %?

3. Name the policies effectively implemented by Shin administrations that have increased the quality of life for all Thais?

Many posts are full of the lies spouted by the Shins and their substantial PR machine - but then they do thing lies are ethical and acceptable.

[ramrod711]

In Thailand, Power Comes With Help From Skype

Just in case any of you are interested in who is boycotting the process.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/world/asia/thaksin-shinawatra-of-thailand-wields-influence-from-afar.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

[mikemac]

Well here we are, 2007 referendum deja vu

General Lertrat Ratanavanich, Constitution Drafting Committee spokesman, allayed fears that the charter drafting process would be marred by protests, saying the majority of the country supported the move to write the new constitution.

"If there is not a new charter, there will not be an election and the country will not overcome our deadlock. We must push for reform and the new charter, he said.

the majority of the country supported the move to write the new constitution.

Really? When did they ask? Notice he clarified that position in his next sentence. You will support the new charter or there will be no election. Now where and when has that been heard before?

Junta Constitution 2007 Referendum

Government officials have gone to pains to link plans for a real election with asuccessful referendum. Last week Defense Minister Boonrawd Somtas told reporters that an election “can take place only if the new constitution passes the referendum.” The 17 million baht that the government has already spent on advertising to encourage a Yes vote has also linked the referendum to an election, implying that a No will simply mean longer military rule. What’s more, coup leader Sonthi Boonyaratglin has reportedly ordered soldiers in all regions “to publicize the charter to residents.”

http://www.asiasentinel.com/politics/thailand-on-spin-cycle/

Plus ca change.......................................anda

As usual Fabio breaks forum rules by posting a link to a website chock-a-block full of anti-junta propaganda.

Also there are lots of references to the Monarchy (politically) which are definitely against forum rules.

Don't you read through these websites you post links to first ? Try clicking on some of the links, you may be surprised at what you find.

When are you going to learn ? Or are you that desperate to push your red barrow you break the forum rules regardless, and hope nobody notices ?

Edited November 23, 2014 by mikemac

[Mudcrab]

Doesn't matter what anyone really thinks. They already know what they are going to write.

Like most of your recent posts

[candide]

so you think that PTP and UDD should participate?

As for a political strategy, since participation is purely a political question, if they do, it will of course not impact the result. The best they can hope for is a stage from which to propose truly democratic ideas without (such) a threat of mini-vacations in non-disclosed military resorts.

But the 2 groups can do the same without participating and without any implication of validating the process which they must view as illegitimate.

It's a mixed bag either way.

They would have to come up with some "truly democratic ideas" before they could propose them.

Their problem at the moment (and with a few posters here) is that all they will do is say "Junta therefore constitution bad", when 90% of this constitution will most likely be exactly the same as the 1997 "peoples" constitution.

To be more effective, they need to be specific about their criticisms and explain why they don't like particular sections. Of course they could do that with out being involved, but I think it would be more effective for them if they were involved.

They may come with dangerous and undemocratic ideas such as "one man, one vote" and "elected members"

[Mudcrab]

Well here we are, 2007 referendum deja vu

General Lertrat Ratanavanich, Constitution Drafting Committee spokesman, allayed fears that the charter drafting process would be marred by protests, saying the majority of the country supported the move to write the new constitution.

"If there is not a new charter, there will not be an election and the country will not overcome our deadlock. We must push for reform and the new charter, he said.

the majority of the country supported the move to write the new constitution.

Really? When did they ask? Notice he clarified that position in his next sentence. You will support the new charter or there will be no election. Now where and when has that been heard before?

Junta Constitution 2007 Referendum

Government officials have gone to pains to link plans for a real election with asuccessful referendum. Last week Defense Minister Boonrawd Somtas told reporters that an election “can take place only if the new constitution passes the referendum.” The 17 million baht that the government has already spent on advertising to encourage a Yes vote has also linked the referendum to an election, implying that a No will simply mean longer military rule. What’s more, coup leader Sonthi Boonyaratglin has reportedly ordered soldiers in all regions “to publicize the charter to residents.”

http://www.asiasentinel.com/politics/thailand-on-spin-cycle/

Plus ca change.......................................

And that Fabby is the crux of the issue.

You keep regurgitating the past incessantly.

You can't look to the future?

Don't want to look to the future?

Want to keep Thailand exactly where it was politically.......just encourage the warlords to continue the past rape and pillage.

Where do you benefit from this?

Why are you such an ardent supporter of the Reds/Fascists/Communist party.

I would genuinely like to understand this.

Your talent for research could surely be put to better use.