Popular Post NCC1701A Posted November 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2014 They should be preparing to fight the Muslims in the south. The war is still a few years away. They should be training special forces and door to door urban fighting. They need small fast patrol boats and IED resistant vehicles. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredNL Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) I was in Pattaya visiting an old friend, a retired Dutch Navy officer on holiday, a few weeks ago. He already met some fellow retired navy officers from the USA and Thailand. When sitting on Beach road, having a beer and watching the beach, they started a conversation about submarines. The Dutch Navy officer told them the the submarines build in the Netherlands for the Dutch Navy could submerge for 2 months. The American and Thai Navy officers bursted out lauching. The American replied with a big smile: "Only 2 months? Our nuclear submarines could submerge for over a year." The Thai Navy officer was still laughing and replied: "Just over a year? What I am going to tell you now is TOP SECRET !!! The Thai build a submarine in 2004 and it still haven't surfaced yet !!!" Edited November 23, 2014 by FredNL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Haggis Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Fred that's brilliant mate I just snorted oishi all over my phone!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The Gulf of Thailand is relatively shallow: its mean depth is 45 metres (148 ft) and the maximum depth is only 80 metres (260 ft). Buying submarines make perfect (Thai) sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Soutpeel Posted November 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2014 The Gulf of Thailand is relatively shallow: its mean depth is 45 metres (148 ft) and the maximum depth is only 80 metres (260 ft). Buying submarines make perfect (Thai) sense! Lest not forget all the oil and gas infrastructure on the sea bed they will be driving into as well 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebrown Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 "And that would mean having fewer 'star' generals." Well, that says it all because Thailand has over 5000 Generals, and no one seems to know how many Admirals there are because the only one listed is the Fleet Admiral........and we all know there is quite probably more than 1000, That is not even counting the Air Force or Special Teams (and I am unsure if the Marines are a department of the Navy). The CIA says there are 35 million Thais in the military service. Breakdowns by ARMY/ AIRFORCE etc. are unavailable at a glance. That is one Top Heavy structure! Amazing it can even stay upright. I think you misread something, 35 million would be about half the Thai population. It's difficult to get an exact, credible number, but according to at least one news source Thailand has approximately 2000 flag officers (generals and admirals) as opposed to less than a thousand for the US, which has a military three times the size of Thailand. The populations of Thailand and the UK are about the same, but Thailand has more than twice the number of Armed Forces (and Police) personnel per 100,000 of Population!!! I live in a soi where there is a very high proportion of military residents, and it has to be said that they do seem to be on a 'flexi' hours system of work attendance(nod nod, wink wink). With regard to submarines, might it not be a good idea to re-cycle the redundant aircraft carrier. The sooner the better, before corrosion sets in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaywalker Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Once upon a time I used to measure stupidity in 2 or 3 degrees of stupid. Stupid, really stupid and totally stupid. Now I live in Thailand I measure stupidity in minutes and degrees! I think that should be leaps & bounds as opposed to minutes & degrees. I have worked with the Thai Army, Air Force & Marines. If the Navy is anything like them...LOOK OUT! Their ground equipment is pathetic. "No money for this year budget" is something I've heard for nigh on 2 decades. Pathetic tools, no records of maintenance, no scheduled maintenance, nobody can read the Tech manuals (try explaining a "Usable On Code" to them). I would feel safer jumping off the Empire State building with King Kong chasing me, into a nest of venomous snakes than I would getting on a Thai submarine. I was asked to inspect a couple dozen Army trucks slated to be sent to Sudan as part of a UN mission in 2010. They were 20 years old and leaking from everywhere a 20 year old truck will leak. The brake calipers were the worst. The master cylinders looked like they had peanut butter in them & they were pissing brake fluid out the calipers. I wrote up a huge long report and 100% RED-FLAGGED about a third of them as being UNSAFE. On some of them the steering linkage was about to fall apart. What did they do? Painted them UN white, put new tires & upholstery on/in them & shipped them to Sudan. Nothing else. I know my report made it to the one-star general officer level, as I sat in his office as it was reviewed. I have to say the RTMC in Sattahip are some good guys though, always a pleasure to work with them, as they have a really good Warrant Officer that takes maintenance seriously. We did a "Test Drive" of a "new" power plant/engine a couple years ago. Korat-Loei-Mai Sai-Kanchanaburi-Korat. It took a week. We had not gone 5 miles & they ran out of fuel....It had a brand new fuel Gage & fuel tank sending unit and we had removed & thoroughly cleaned the fuel tank, plus it had a brand new fuel filter. They just forgot to put fuel in it....Couldn't figure out who was going to pay for it I guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 and who is qualified to drive the sub? well, probably Chalerm...the sub gotta be pink, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I still have my sub from when I was a kid. I'll let it go for half what I paid for it. . They want an aircraft carrier as well, can you do a 2 for 1 They have the carrier but no aircraft, apparently. Same as the Royal Navy. Indeed. They will be praying for new F35Bs in a year or two and have one ship to use them on so far. Drake, Nelson, Rodney, Hood and the rest of the greats must be turning in their graves at the watered down Senior Service of 21st century Britannia who in today's world only waives the rules.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chao Lao Beach Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The submarine procurement is going to happen. This is a military government and the only thing that is guaranteed is that the military is going to take care of itself and to be perfectly honest who is going to stop them ? Everyone from the top on down has said that this project is irrational, even he who cannot be named, has stated that it is a folly. When they allowed them to fund and open a training "simulator" it was pretty obvious that they were eventually going to get what they wanted, the public be damned Yeah, I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The Gulf of Thailand is relatively shallow: its mean depth is 45 metres (148 ft) and the maximum depth is only 80 metres (260 ft). Buying submarines make perfect (Thai) sense! Lest not forget all the oil and gas infrastructure on the sea bed they will be driving into as well ...not to mention international communication cables Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Fred that's brilliant mate I just snorted oishi all over my phone!!! Well Haggis, you're lucky it wasn't your laptop getting a bath. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i claudius Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Thailand already has a submarine ,we have already been on it it's called the yellow submarine and it's based in Pattaya,why would they need another one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickirs Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> The US has a treaty to defend Thailand. It also has nuclear subs in the water at all times due to China and NK. Diego Garcia is right there if needed. However that doesn't leave room for fat envelopes nor does it take into account that Thailand's new best friend China is sure to overrun defend Thailand. (Someone said the UK doesn't have subs? They have 11 nuclear powered subs. 4 have ICBMs making the UK a member of "the club of 5" and 7 are hunter-killers.) LINK The US and UK also have a similar agreement with the Ukraine. How did that work out for Ukraine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wow64 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Can someone please explain to them that a submarine goes underwater. Not as good for ceremonies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudcrab Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 "And that would mean having fewer 'star' generals." Well, that says it all because Thailand has over 5000 Generals, and no one seems to know how many Admirals there are because the only one listed is the Fleet Admiral........and we all know there is quite probably more than 1000, That is not even counting the Air Force or Special Teams (and I am unsure if the Marines are a department of the Navy). The CIA says there are 35 million Thais in the military service. Breakdowns by ARMY/ AIRFORCE etc. are unavailable at a glance. That is one Top Heavy structure! Amazing it can even stay upright. 35 million..really...the CIA said this? Might explain why the CIA is going to be 'restructured' in the very near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mudcrab Posted November 23, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2014 "And that would mean having fewer 'star' generals." Well, that says it all because Thailand has over 5000 Generals, and no one seems to know how many Admirals there are because the only one listed is the Fleet Admiral........and we all know there is quite probably more than 1000, That is not even counting the Air Force or Special Teams (and I am unsure if the Marines are a department of the Navy). The CIA says there are 35 million Thais in the military service. Breakdowns by ARMY/ AIRFORCE etc. are unavailable at a glance. That is one Top Heavy structure! Amazing it can even stay upright. I think you misread something, 35 million would be about half the Thai population. It's difficult to get an exact, credible number, but according to at least one news source Thailand has approximately 2000 flag officers (generals and admirals) as opposed to less than a thousand for the US, which has a military three times the size of ThaI If you add in the number of retired US Admirals, Generals, CIA, SEALS and special ops forces in Pattaya currently occupying barstools the numbers would just about even out I reckon. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIWIBATCH Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Funny stuff. As I pointed out in a previous thread, if you take the sub they want to buy and stick it vertically on the ocean bottom, 50 feet of the sub will be sticking out in the air.....The King has already stated a sub is a bad idea, am amazed the military keeps trying to buy one. How about this. The standard corruption rake off here is about 30 %. So I propose the generals simply write themselves a check for the 30%, and not actually buy the sub. This would be a win win, as the government would save 70%, and there would be no useless sub to embarrass the government in the future like the aircraft carrier does. Plus this would elimamate the potential of the sub sinking. :-) ...and the average repeat average depth of the Andaman sea is 45 metres....(as stated by he who cannot be named) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwyn Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I am for a leaner military , this idea the country needs an over bloated toad as its fighting force tend to loose all meaning when you have conscripts doing jack all and National service interfering with any UNI education aims they may have, this old Idea of service to the country is old hat, the military could cut half it's size and still be over loaded with nothingness, Submarines would be an integrated active part of a lean mean fighting machine but as it stands at present, would be just another over bloated item , as with reforms , the military wont give ground on their present status and for anyone to think that any real effort toward a modern Democratic Thailand is on the cards , dream on brother. Normally I agree with most of your posts but I'm not sure about this one. The military isn't really overbloated as you put it. Numbers are not as relative as numbers active per 1000 capita. For example, Thailand has 305,000 military personnel with 200,000 reserves while Israel has just 176,500 with 564,000 reserve. However this equates to 4.6 military personnel active per 1000 capita for Thailand and 22,2 active per 1000 capita, Singapore has 15.5 military active per 1000 capita. I agree the military is probably not so well trained an a general level but the most bloated and useless force has to be the police! On another note of course it provides much needed jobs but that's a whole other topic! Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudcrab Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) Fred that's brilliant mate I just snorted oishi all over my phone!!! Simple things...simple minds. You'd probably enjoy the quote "I want to live in a world where the chicken's motive for crossing the road is not questioned" Edited November 23, 2014 by Mudcrab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I am for a leaner military , this idea the country needs an over bloated toad as its fighting force tend to loose all meaning when you have conscripts doing jack all and National service interfering with any UNI education aims they may have, this old Idea of service to the country is old hat, the military could cut half it's size and still be over loaded with nothingness, Submarines would be an integrated active part of a lean mean fighting machine but as it stands at present, would be just another over bloated item , as with reforms , the military wont give ground on their present status and for anyone to think that any real effort toward a modern Democratic Thailand is on the cards , dream on brother.Normally I agree with most of your posts but I'm not sure about this one. The military isn't really overbloated as you put it. Numbers are not as relative as numbers active per 1000 capita. For example, Thailand has 305,000 military personnel with 200,000 reserves while Israel has just 176,500 with 564,000 reserve. However this equates to 4.6 military personnel active per 1000 capita for Thailand and 22,2 active per 1000 capita, Singapore has 15.5 military active per 1000 capita. I agree the military is probably not so well trained an a general level but the most bloated and useless force has to be the police! On another note of course it provides much needed jobs but that's a whole other topic! Cheers Silly post.Israel and to a much lesser extent Singapore is surrounded by countries who would like too see them obliterated.Thailand on the other hand has no enemies and there are no threats to it.The bloated nature of the Thai army refers mainly to its ridiculous number of very senior officers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudcrab Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I am for a leaner military , this idea the country needs an over bloated toad as its fighting force tend to loose all meaning when you have conscripts doing jack all and National service interfering with any UNI education aims they may have, this old Idea of service to the country is old hat, the military could cut half it's size and still be over loaded with nothingness, Submarines would be an integrated active part of a lean mean fighting machine but as it stands at present, would be just another over bloated item , as with reforms , the military wont give ground on their present status and for anyone to think that any real effort toward a modern Democratic Thailand is on the cards , dream on brother.Normally I agree with most of your posts but I'm not sure about this one. The military isn't really overbloated as you put it. Numbers are not as relative as numbers active per 1000 capita. For example, Thailand has 305,000 military personnel with 200,000 reserves while Israel has just 176,500 with 564,000 reserve. However this equates to 4.6 military personnel active per 1000 capita for Thailand and 22,2 active per 1000 capita, Singapore has 15.5 military active per 1000 capita. I agree the military is probably not so well trained an a general level but the most bloated and useless force has to be the police! On another note of course it provides much needed jobs but that's a whole other topic! Cheers Silly post.Israel and to a much lesser extent Singapore is surrounded by countries who would like too see them obliterated.Thailand on the other hand has no enemies and there are no threats to it.The bloated nature of the Thai army refers mainly to its ridiculous number of very senior officers. In Thailand's case...the enemy is within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwyn Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I am for a leaner military , this idea the country needs an over bloated toad as its fighting force tend to loose all meaning when you have conscripts doing jack all and National service interfering with any UNI education aims they may have, this old Idea of service to the country is old hat, the military could cut half it's size and still be over loaded with nothingness, Submarines would be an integrated active part of a lean mean fighting machine but as it stands at present, would be just another over bloated item , as with reforms , the military wont give ground on their present status and for anyone to think that any real effort toward a modern Democratic Thailand is on the cards , dream on brother.Normally I agree with most of your posts but I'm not sure about this one. The military isn't really overbloated as you put it. Numbers are not as relative as numbers active per 1000 capita. For example, Thailand has 305,000 military personnel with 200,000 reserves while Israel has just 176,500 with 564,000 reserve. However this equates to 4.6 military personnel active per 1000 capita for Thailand and 22,2 active per 1000 capita, Singapore has 15.5 military active per 1000 capita. I agree the military is probably not so well trained an a general level but the most bloated and useless force has to be the police! On another note of course it provides much needed jobs but that's a whole other topic! Cheers Silly post.Israel and to a much lesser extent Singapore is surrounded by countries who would like too see them obliterated.Thailand on the other hand has no enemies and there are no threats to it.The bloated nature of the Thai army refers mainly to its ridiculous number of very senior officers. Singapore surrounded by people who would like to see it obliterated? Who? Malaysia? wow.. Thailand has no enemies either? Apart from the Malay separatists and insurgents in the south, the border issues with Cambodia and shots fired between military and the ongoing frays with Burmese troops/drug producers in the north you mean.. The bloated number refers to the number of very senior officers? While that might be true I didn't read it in the OP so it's probably an assumption. The real issue with the number of very senior officers is that the PM needs them for his Utopian government. The number of military might seem bloated but it's not really, not in the real World. Norway - who really do not have any enemies at all have 5.2 military personnell active per 1000 capita, Bhutan 11.7, Cambodia 8.6, Burma 8.4 and Cyprus 11.2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I am for a leaner military , this idea the country needs an over bloated toad as its fighting force tend to loose all meaning when you have conscripts doing jack all and National service interfering with any UNI education aims they may have, this old Idea of service to the country is old hat, the military could cut half it's size and still be over loaded with nothingness, Submarines would be an integrated active part of a lean mean fighting machine but as it stands at present, would be just another over bloated item , as with reforms , the military wont give ground on their present status and for anyone to think that any real effort toward a modern Democratic Thailand is on the cards , dream on brother.Normally I agree with most of your posts but I'm not sure about this one. The military isn't really overbloated as you put it. Numbers are not as relative as numbers active per 1000 capita. For example, Thailand has 305,000 military personnel with 200,000 reserves while Israel has just 176,500 with 564,000 reserve. However this equates to 4.6 military personnel active per 1000 capita for Thailand and 22,2 active per 1000 capita, Singapore has 15.5 military active per 1000 capita. I agree the military is probably not so well trained an a general level but the most bloated and useless force has to be the police! On another note of course it provides much needed jobs but that's a whole other topic! CheersSilly post.Israel and to a much lesser extent Singapore is surrounded by countries who would like too see them obliterated.Thailand on the other hand has no enemies and there are no threats to it.The bloated nature of the Thai army refers mainly to its ridiculous number of very senior officers. Singapore surrounded by people who would like to see it obliterated? Who? Malaysia? wow.. Thailand has no enemies either? Apart from the Malay separatists and insurgents in the south, the border issues with Cambodia and shots fired between military and the ongoing frays with Burmese troops/drug producers in the north you mean.. The bloated number refers to the number of very senior officers? While that might be true I didn't read it in the OP so it's probably an assumption. The real issue with the number of very senior officers is that the PM needs them for his Utopian government. The number of military might seem bloated but it's not really, not in the real World. Norway - who really do not have any enemies at all have 5.2 military personnell active per 1000 capita, Bhutan 11.7, Cambodia 8.6, Burma 8.4 and Cyprus 11.2. I'm not suggesting that Thailand should not have a sizeable army, simply that there are no external threats.As to Singapore a nodding acquaintance with its history is all that's needed to understand its current formidable defence capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 When the RTM would buy vessels and planes to observe, track/hunt, destroy submarines, when there would be some new Russian/Chinese Harrier copies for the lonely carrier (also usable, concealed, on land), instead of wanting the missing toys on their boys' shelf, useless sitting ducks in the, shallow, waters of both Gulf and Andaman... When the RTAF would have bought modern self propelled air defence systems, and specialised ground attack/anti-tank planes, instead of the Saab luxury toys... When the RTA... Thailand would have more teeth than a shark, instead of becoming an old circus tiger, but I'm just a Farang, having served in a real army... P.S.: Does anyone know the exact number of sergeants (of all levels) in the army, and the numer of Lt. Col. + Col. + Maj. Gen. + Gen. + Lt. Gen. (including the ones in 'unactive posts'), I wonder what Thailand has the most of (no, in fact I don't)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickirs Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 The Navy should consider building its own that runs on Beattle Music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Lawrence Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 So now is the time to increase the defence budget spending. Happens quite often after coups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZEMADE Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 This Submarine rubbish has been bought up before by the last three or four Governments that were in power. From memory in all cases the cash was allocated to the Military for them to purchase the Subs in all cases by all the Gov that were in power at the time. What ever happened to the money that was allocated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 already many "subs" in thailand. 69 baht 6" ham and cheese not to mention the daily specials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langsuan Man Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 This Submarine rubbish has been bought up before by the last three or four Governments that were in power. From memory in all cases the cash was allocated to the Military for them to purchase the Subs in all cases by all the Gov that were in power at the time. What ever happened to the money that was allocated. It was never allocated, it may have been in the military budget but that really means nothing. The Thai Navy did spend their own "discretionary" funds to build and maintain a simulator for training purposes. As far as being able to purchase used diesel sub's from Germany, successive Defense Chiefs have refused the funds for the submarines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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