Khunying Porntip reinstate as head of Central Institute of Forensic Science

[Robby nz]

Pornthip permanently lost her reputation and credibility by making statements that could not possibly be true about "bomb detectors" that a criminal case in the UK proved to be completely fraudulent, because the technology they were meant to be based on doesn't exist and never did exist.

To save face, she compounded her crime by making anti-scientific statements based on mysticism to try to justify her fraudulent claims.

At a stroke she has eliminated the one belief that made her valuable: that truth is based only on experimental evidence. She has shown she will ignore scientific principles if paid enough. No-one can trust any statement she makes now.

In the west she would not have a job anywhere and would also be in jail.

So you are telling us that all the others from the police and military in the other countries that bought the things have been sacked and are in jail .

[partington]

Pornthip permanently lost her reputation and credibility by making statements that could not possibly be true about "bomb detectors" that a criminal case in the UK proved to be completely fraudulent, because the technology they were meant to be based on doesn't exist and never did exist.

To save face, she compounded her crime by making anti-scientific statements based on mysticism to try to justify her fraudulent claims.

At a stroke she has eliminated the one belief that made her valuable: that truth is based only on experimental evidence. She has shown she will ignore scientific principles if paid enough. No-one can trust any statement she makes now.

In the west she would not have a job anywhere and would also be in jail.

So you are telling us that all the others from the police and military in the other countries that bought the things have been sacked and are in jail .

I am saying what I said : " In the west she would not have a job anywhere and would also be in jail. " meaning countries where bribery does not determine scientific truth.

From BBC report on the fake detectors (they started off as fake golf ball detectors for £12):

"Attempts were made to market the Mole [ an earlier name for the same fraudulent devices] to British government agencies and, in 2001, it was tested by Home Office scientist, Tim Sheldon.

He told the BBC that he issued the strongest possible warning about the device, in advice circulated to government departments.

"The claims that were made for it were completely misleading," he says. "We warned that it would be potentially dangerous to use."

He thought that would be the end of the story.

But the fraudsters behind the bogus detectors repackaged and renamed them yet again, seeking out new markets overseas - where fewer questions would be asked and where bribes could oil the wheels of lucrative deals."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29459896

[englishoak]

Pornthip permanently lost her reputation and credibility by making statements that could not possibly be true about "bomb detectors" that a criminal case in the UK proved to be completely fraudulent, because the technology they were meant to be based on doesn't exist and never did exist.

To save face, she compounded her crime by making anti-scientific statements based on mysticism to try to justify her fraudulent claims.

At a stroke she has eliminated the one belief that made her valuable: that truth is based only on experimental evidence. She has shown she will ignore scientific principles if paid enough. No-one can trust any statement she makes now.

In the west she would not have a job anywhere and would also be in jail.

So you are telling us that all the others from the police and military in the other countries that bought the things have been sacked and are in jail .

I am saying what I said : " In the west she would not have a job anywhere and would also be in jail. " meaning countries where bribery does not determine scientific truth.

From BBC report on the fake detectors (they started off as fake golf ball detectors for £12):

"Attempts were made to market the Mole [ an earlier name for the same fraudulent devices] to British government agencies and, in 2001, it was tested by Home Office scientist, Tim Sheldon.

He told the BBC that he issued the strongest possible warning about the device, in advice circulated to government departments.

"The claims that were made for it were completely misleading," he says. "We warned that it would be potentially dangerous to use."

He thought that would be the end of the story.

But the fraudsters behind the bogus detectors repackaged and renamed them yet again, seeking out new markets overseas - where fewer questions would be asked and where bribes could oil the wheels of lucrative deals."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29459896

Indeed its junk and known to be for a long time... heres the scary bit, they are still out there and evolving into other claimed uses.

In fact, earlier this year, one of the devices surfaced in Egypt with claims from the Egyptian military that it could detect hepatitis and HIV.

And the bogus detectors are still in use at checkpoints across Baghdad. They were also deployed at a recent security conference in Djibouti and, just this week, the BBC filmed them in use at a shopping mall in Pakistan.

Astonishingly, perhaps, some officials still blame user error or even the weather for the device's failure to detect explosives.

Gen Saad Ma'an, from Iraq's Ministry of Interior, accepts the devices are not working "to the required level" but says the country is still waiting to replace them.

And this is what Pornthip made claims and lies about peddled on the back of her "expertise" and a professional upstanding with a reputation......

What credibility ? trust me im a doctor...

[jayboy]

Pornthip permanently lost her reputation and credibility by making statements that could not possibly be true about "bomb detectors" that a criminal case in the UK proved to be completely fraudulent, because the technology they were meant to be based on doesn't exist and never did exist.

To save face, she compounded her crime by making anti-scientific statements based on mysticism to try to justify her fraudulent claims.

At a stroke she has eliminated the one belief that made her valuable: that truth is based only on experimental evidence. She has shown she will ignore scientific principles if paid enough. No-one can trust any statement she makes now.

In the west she would not have a job anywhere and would also be in jail.

So you are telling us that all the others from the police and military in the other countries that bought the things have been sacked and are in jail .

No I think he's just telling you she is an incompetent and a fraud.

[LazarusRising]

Ahh jobs for the boys and girls!

How's the gt200 going and the fraudulent claimns on behalf of that.

Just another yellow elite given a position of power.

​Of course such favouritism never happened during PTP's reign as everything was on merit I suppose.

So two wrongs make a right? I thought the whole basis of the coup was to end corruption, not continue it. This woman's worth will be known when we see how she handles the Koh Tao farce.

[tonbridgebrit]

Look, it's Cher.

This is actually the Empress of the Evil Empire. Yes, this is the wife of Ming the Merciless. The Leader of the Mongol hordes.

[tonbridgebrit]

Pornthip permanently lost her reputation and credibility by making statements that could not possibly be true about "bomb detectors" that a criminal case in the UK proved to be completely fraudulent, because the technology they were meant to be based on doesn't exist and never did exist.

To save face, she compounded her crime by making anti-scientific statements based on mysticism to try to justify her fraudulent claims.

At a stroke she has eliminated the one belief that made her valuable: that truth is based only on experimental evidence. She has shown she will ignore scientific principles if paid enough. No-one can trust any statement she makes now.

In the west she would not have a job anywhere and would also be in jail.

So you are telling us that all the others from the police and military in the other countries that bought the things have been sacked and are in jail .

No, Robby nz, nobody is saying that all police and military who bought the things HAVE BEEN SACKED and are in jail. But it might be a good idea TO SACK or imprison police or military who were responsible for ordering the devices. Sack and imprison them for negligence in believing in a fraud or scam. As for Porntip herself, what's the punishment for helping that fraud or scam ?????

[Neurath]

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Ahh jobs for the boys and girls!

How's the gt200 going and the fraudulent claimns on behalf of that.

Just another yellow elite given a position of power.

She is good in what she did cracked many a case.. id have her doing this any day this is someone with knowledge unlike YL.

The gt200 corruption should be prosecuted of course but has nothing to do with this work. If she is guilty let her pay the price.

The PTP just did not want here anywhere where she could interfere with the "red"police and show the world they were incompetent. Or worse still connect reds to crimes.

Not so sure about that. Forensic science is an evidence based pursuit. If she really does believe in the efficacy of the GT200 scanners as she has stated robustly and in public and in support of those who procured them, then there are legitimate questions (really conclusions) about her ability to understand the concept of physical evidence, physical law and the efficacy of wishful thinking in causing a blank square of plastic detect bombs and do so reliably. So, some might say - of course I would not - that she is either incompetent or she was not telling the truth; that she has turned the truth into a deformed bastard offspring of political expediency.. Either way, hardly sterling recommendation for the position to which she is being appointed. Perhaps useful as a weather vane though.

[animatic]

In other words, she was taken out of the picture,

by powers much greater than her desire to be a good scientist.

It's Thailand, money is far from the strongest stick that will be used

as leverage on a relatively honest person in the way of power.

It was pretty clear before the GT200 scandal she knew what she was doing.

She knew and used the empirical method and proper scientific principles,

and just as clear she was in the way of power, too many times and too far up the food chain,

and was forced to discredit herself. Her 'defense' of the bomb device was uncharacteristic

in delivery, tone and references. Like a different voice speaking, or a script being read.

Just like Jaruvan, some thing was arranged to discredit her public image,

and thus remove her power to obstruct influentials doing their thing.

Your milage may vary.

Edited December 4, 2014 by animatic

[smutcakes]

In other words, she was taken out of the picture,

by powers much greater than her desire to be a good scientist.

It's Thailand, money is far from the strongest stick that will be used

as leverage on a relatively honest person in the way of power.

It was pretty clear before the GT200 scandal she knew what she was doing.

She knew and used the empirical method and proper scientific principles,

and just as clear she was in the way of power, too many times and too far up the food chain,

and was forced to discredit herself. Her 'defense' of the bomb device was uncharacteristic

in delivery, tone and references. Like a different voice speaking, or a script being read.

Just like Jaruvan, some thing was arranged to discredit her public image,

and thus remove her power to obstruct influentials doing their thing.

Your milage may vary.

Your a fantasist and a simpleton if you really believe that. I have heard some whoppers in my time, but this one takes some beating!

[animatic]

In other words, she was taken out of the picture,

by powers much greater than her desire to be a good scientist.

It's Thailand, money is far from the strongest stick that will be used

as leverage on a relatively honest person in the way of power.

It was pretty clear before the GT200 scandal she knew what she was doing.

She knew and used the empirical method and proper scientific principles,

and just as clear she was in the way of power, too many times and too far up the food chain,

and was forced to discredit herself. Her 'defense' of the bomb device was uncharacteristic

in delivery, tone and references. Like a different voice speaking, or a script being read.

Just like Jaruvan, some thing was arranged to discredit her public image,

and thus remove her power to obstruct influentials doing their thing.

Your milage may vary.

Your a fantasist and a simpleton if you really believe that. I have heard some whoppers in my time, but this one takes some beating!

Your insults aside,

your point I find just, drole, short sighted,

or simply out of touch with Thailand realities.

Argument by insult never works.

[animatic]

For those unclear on the concept....

duress [doo-res, dyoo-, doo r-is, dyoo r-] Spell Syllables • noun

1. compulsion by threat or force; coercion; constraint.

2. Law.

such constraint or coercion as will render void a contract

or other legal act entered or performed under its influence.

3. forcible restraint, especially imprisonment.

Middle English duresse < Middle French duresse,

< Latin dūritia hardness, harshness, oppression, equivalent to dūr (us)hard + -itia

1. intimidation, pressure, bullying, browbeating.

Edited December 9, 2014 by animatic