Which is the better option... non-O or non-B?

[snowpea83]

Dear All,

Have previously been on a non- B for many years, been out of the country for a few months and am now considering which visa to come back into LOS with.

I am employed by a Thai company and also married to a thai, so I could really go either option (and for me, being a woman, I don't have to maintain certain amounts of money in the bank etc that faring men do), so either option is just as easy as the other.

My question is:

1. Is the reporting the same for both? 90 day reporting at immigration..

2. Would coming in on a non-O make things anymore difficult for my work re: work permits etc

3. Is there any other requirement of a non-O that I need to know about, that could affect my decision (I would like to get a non-O as I see it as being more flexible should I wish to change jobs or not work for a while).

Any info would be appreciated.

[ATF]

If you are a woman married to a Thai man then you should apply for citizenship. Quite easy for a woman.

[Mario2008]

1. Yes, reporting is the same.

2. No.

3. No. For an extensions the requirements are of course different from that of a non-O visa. One of the drawbacks of an extensions based on marriage is that you must apply together with your spouse and get a under consideration stamp for 30 days. After which you return to immigration to get the final approval and the actual extension.

[Kerryd]

If you are married to a Thai, can you (legally) work while on a Non-0 visa ?

(I have no idea, I always thought you had to have a Non-B to do any kind of work, even if it's for a charity ?)

[ubonjoe]

If you are married to a Thai, can you (legally) work while on a Non-0 visa ?

(I have no idea, I always thought you had to have a Non-B to do any kind of work, even if it's for a charity ?)

You can work with a non-o visa or extension of stay based upon marriage to a Thai.

You can use income from working to meet the 40k baht requirement for an extension.

[Mario2008]

You need a work permit to be able to work, even for charity.

On a non-O based on marriage there is no problem getting a work permit.

[bamboozled]

whoa whoa whoa...my apologies if I'm jumping in here. But this is new news to me about non-O visas and work permits. Could you please elaborate on this point? If married to a thai and possessing a non-O how does one go about getting a work permit and for what sort of job? Does this still require sponsorship from a company? Lastly, is this the same hoop-jumping as having your own ltd. company with 2 or 4 employees, 1 or 2 million baht registered capital, etc...just that it's easier if you are married?

Thank you.

[Mario2008]

A work permit requires that you have an employer. The work permi allows you to work for the in the WP named company, in the in the WP mentioned position at the in the WP mentioned location.

There is no WP that allows you to work in general, it is always job specific as described above.

[bamboozled]

Ah ok, so no new news here. It sounded from the posts as if being married unlocked a lot of doors.

From Ubonjoe: "You can work with a non-o visa or extension of stay based upon marriage to a Thai."

From Mario2008: "On a non-O based on marriage there is no problem getting a work permit."

How does being married help in getting a work permit?

[jrward42]

I am on a multiple non-O based on marriage. I recently started work and getting a work permit wasn't a problem. I will be looking to do a year extension in a month or two with the eventual aim of going for citizenship. Non-O is a better option than a non-B because your working status is irrelevant to your visa. With a non-B, if you quit/are fired you have grief - with a non-O you can just have a lie in until you find new work.

[PoorSucker]

Ah ok, so no new news here. It sounded from the posts as if being married unlocked a lot of doors.

From Ubonjoe: "You can work with a non-o visa or extension of stay based upon marriage to a Thai."

From Mario2008: "On a non-O based on marriage there is no problem getting a work permit."

How does being married help in getting a work permit?

To get a WP when married the company only has to have two Thai employees and 1 million baht capital / foreigner.

[bamboozled]

PoorSucker, your are talking about one's own company, yes? So the wife is one Thai employee, perhaps, and then only one other is required? No jumping through hoops and doing the limbo?

[ubonjoe]

PoorSucker, your are talking about one's own company, yes? So the wife is one Thai employee, perhaps, and then only one other is required? No jumping through hoops and doing the limbo?

It can be any company that hires a person married to a Thai.

If your own it can be your wife and one other.

[snowpea83]

OK we got a bit side tracked here... But I think we all agreed that a non-O is the better option... BUT.. I just received this from my lovely, friendly, competent HR department (please note major sarcasm here)

HR already checked with immigration here. The Non O VISA can not apply for work permit and 1 Year VISA in Thailand ka.

How do I tell them politely that they are idiots and that is bullshit..

[Soutpeel]

OK we got a bit side tracked here... But I think we all agreed that a non-O is the better option... BUT.. I just received this from my lovely, friendly, competent HR department (please note major sarcasm here)

HR already checked with immigration here. The Non O VISA can not apply for work permit and 1 Year VISA in Thailand ka.

How do I tell them politely that they are idiots and that is bullshit..

First off its not immigration who issue the WP its the DOL, second there are some DOL's who will only issue a WP on a non-imm B under their jurisdiction

Thirdly it depends what the "O" visa was issued for ?

[snowpea83]

OK we got a bit side tracked here... But I think we all agreed that a non-O is the better option... BUT.. I just received this from my lovely, friendly, competent HR department (please note major sarcasm here)

HR already checked with immigration here. The Non O VISA can not apply for work permit and 1 Year VISA in Thailand ka.

How do I tell them politely that they are idiots and that is bullshit..

First off its not immigration who issue the WP its the DOL, second there are some DOL's who will only issue a WP on a non-imm B under their jurisdiction

Thirdly it depends what the "O" visa was issued for ?

Firstly.. Yeah I know, hence why they are idiots.

The non-o will be based on marriage.. How does one check if the DOL will issue a WP or not for a non-o based on marriage? My DOL is in Chiang Rai..

[Soutpeel]

OK we got a bit side tracked here... But I think we all agreed that a non-O is the better option... BUT.. I just received this from my lovely, friendly, competent HR department (please note major sarcasm here)

HR already checked with immigration here. The Non O VISA can not apply for work permit and 1 Year VISA in Thailand ka.

How do I tell them politely that they are idiots and that is bullshit..

First off its not immigration who issue the WP its the DOL, second there are some DOL's who will only issue a WP on a non-imm B under their jurisdiction

Thirdly it depends what the "O" visa was issued for ?

Firstly.. Yeah I know, hence why they are idiots.

The non-o will be based on marriage.. How does one check if the DOL will issue a WP or not for a non-o based on marriage? My DOL is in Chiang Rai..

Without stating the obvious, go and ask them what they want

[snowpea83]

OK we got a bit side tracked here... But I think we all agreed that a non-O is the better option... BUT.. I just received this from my lovely, friendly, competent HR department (please note major sarcasm here)

HR already checked with immigration here. The Non O VISA can not apply for work permit and 1 Year VISA in Thailand ka.

How do I tell them politely that they are idiots and that is bullshit..

First off its not immigration who issue the WP its the DOL, second there are some DOL's who will only issue a WP on a non-imm B under their jurisdiction

Thirdly it depends what the "O" visa was issued for ?

Firstly.. Yeah I know, hence why they are idiots.

The non-o will be based on marriage.. How does one check if the DOL will issue a WP or not for a non-o based on marriage? My DOL is in Chiang Rai..

Without stating the obvious, go and ask them what they want

Unfortunately not in the country Otherwise I would.

I have always organised my own visa's because my HR department is totally useless, they have no idea when it comes to farang. I have always checked my own facts and just told them what they need to do, but in this case I cannot check as I'm not in the country.

I know the consul general at my local Thai consulate here, so I might have to give him a call.

[ubonjoe]

A Thai embassy or consulate will be of no help. The know nothing about getting work permits or extensions of stay.

There are very few work permit offices that will not do the work permit with a non-o visa or extension of stay based upon marriage. You just need to be sure a copy of your marriage certificate (and a up to date Kor Ror 2 at some offices) is attached to the application.

[Soutpeel]

OK we got a bit side tracked here... But I think we all agreed that a non-O is the better option... BUT.. I just received this from my lovely, friendly, competent HR department (please note major sarcasm here)

HR already checked with immigration here. The Non O VISA can not apply for work permit and 1 Year VISA in Thailand ka.

How do I tell them politely that they are idiots and that is bullshit..

First off its not immigration who issue the WP its the DOL, second there are some DOL's who will only issue a WP on a non-imm B under their jurisdiction

Thirdly it depends what the "O" visa was issued for ?

Firstly.. Yeah I know, hence why they are idiots.

The non-o will be based on marriage.. How does one check if the DOL will issue a WP or not for a non-o based on marriage? My DOL is in Chiang Rai..

Without stating the obvious, go and ask them what they want

Unfortunately not in the country Otherwise I would.

I have always organised my own visa's because my HR department is totally useless, they have no idea when it comes to farang. I have always checked my own facts and just told them what they need to do, but in this case I cannot check as I'm not in the country.

I know the consul general at my local Thai consulate here, so I might have to give him a call.

Send them an email ? DOL in Chang Rai has their own webpage and has contact email addresses