Family of Brits murdered in Thailand say evidence convincing

[loonodingle]

Thanks Thailandchilli

Ok thanks that's a different story to a Frenchman though. That's about a Scots Man. Obviously Sean.

I was just speaking to a friend who just came back from there. He said they know on the island. Hannah was in A C bar she had a row with someone who was making advances to her. David came in the bar and there was some confrontation. The pair left the bar. The Guys who they had argued with followed them along the beach and killed them. He said its well known amongst the Thai's. But they will not speak out.

[loonodingle]

http://friendsinthailand.com/2014/09/23/frenchman-can-id-killers-molestation-witness-in-protective-custody/

An informed source said the unidentified French national told police he witnessed two Thai man trying to molest Hannah Witheridge, 23, at an entertainment venue.

He was also believed to have seen David Miller, 24, rescue Witheridge from the advances of the men before they left the venue together on the night before they were found murdered on the beach early on Sept 15, the same source said.

He provided the police with photos of the two men he took on his phone, the source said.

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Not allowed to mention source of below -

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I got it a way before removed. There is a conflict in french a Scottish but it's Sean. Perhaps 5th is is why the police are shaking his hand etc as he leaves. He had to been in Jungle after all. He had been in protective custody. As he left the island that's when Mon was arrested wasn't it. That day or the day after.

[catsanddogs]

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Sorry about that.

I'll put it another way.

I read in a newspaper that police said they made a mistake regards saying that Sean McAnna was French.

[thailandchilli]

http://friendsinthailand.com/2014/09/23/frenchman-can-id-killers-molestation-witness-in-protective-custody/

An informed source said the unidentified French national told police he witnessed two Thai man trying to molest Hannah Witheridge, 23, at an entertainment venue.

He was also believed to have seen David Miller, 24, rescue Witheridge from the advances of the men before they left the venue together on the night before they were found murdered on the beach early on Sept 15, the same source said.

He provided the police with photos of the two men he took on his phone, the source said.

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I got it a way before removed. There is a conflict in french a Scottish but it's Sean. Perhaps 5th is is why the police are shaking his hand etc as he leaves. He had to been in Jungle after all. He had been in protective custody. As he left the island that's when Mon was arrested wasn't it. That day or the day after.

Sounds to me like Sean could have had a nice payoff here to remain quiet, how else could he fund his lifestyle and trip to Italy, not playing guitar or singing thats for sure...have you heard his crap.

The handshake from the local RTP before he went that is captured in a photo says it all.

[loonodingle]

http://friendsinthailand.com/2014/09/23/frenchman-can-id-killers-molestation-witness-in-protective-custody/

An informed source said the unidentified French national told police he witnessed two Thai man trying to molest Hannah Witheridge, 23, at an entertainment venue.

He was also believed to have seen David Miller, 24, rescue Witheridge from the advances of the men before they left the venue together on the night before they were found murdered on the beach early on Sept 15, the same source said.

He provided the police with photos of the two men he took on his phone, the source said.

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Not allowed to mention source of below -

<<<< Content from Bangkok Post removed >>>>

I got it a way before removed. There is a conflict in french a Scottish but it's Sean. Perhaps 5th is is why the police are shaking his hand etc as he leaves. He had to been in Jungle after all. He had been in protective custody. As he left the island that's when Mon was arrested wasn't it. That day or the day after.

Sounds to me like Sean could have had a nice payoff here to remain quiet, how else could he fund his lifestyle and trip to Italy, not playing guitar or singing thats for sure...have you heard his crap.

The handshake from the local RTP before he went that is captured in a photo says it all.

Hmmmmm......very very likely.... I have been saying he is the weak link. Well he is the link to something isn't he....I sure would like to bump into ...........

[greenchair]

http://friendsinthailand.com/2014/09/23/frenchman-can-id-killers-molestation-witness-in-protective-custody/

An informed source said the unidentified French national told police he witnessed two Thai man trying to molest Hannah Witheridge, 23, at an entertainment venue.

He was also believed to have seen David Miller, 24, rescue Witheridge from the advances of the men before they left the venue together on the night before they were found murdered on the beach early on Sept 15, the same source said.

He provided the police with photos of the two men he took on his phone, the source said.

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Not allowed to mention source of below -

<<<< Content from Bangkok Post removed >>>>

I got it a way before removed. There is a conflict in french a Scottish but it's Sean. Perhaps 5th is is why the police are shaking his hand etc as he leaves. He had to been in Jungle after all. He had been in protective custody. As he left the island that's when Mon was arrested wasn't it. That day or the day after.

Sounds to me like Sean could have had a nice payoff here to remain quiet, how else could he fund his lifestyle and trip to Italy, not playing guitar or singing thats for sure...have you heard his crap.

The handshake from the local RTP before he went that is captured in a photo says it all.

In the other thread seeking defense witness. It says there will 2 foreign witnesses. 1 is Chris Ware. 1 is Sean we think.

It also says they are seeking funding for the defense witnesses to testify in their own country. Defense and prosecution lawyers will perhaps travel to Myanmar and the other country is the EU. That could be only England or England and Italy I suppose. A wonderful thing is the Thai government will fund the prosecution. The team are seeking funds for the defense. It does seem the judge wants to know the truth of this as much as anybody. Sean is called as a witness for the defense. Don't know what that means

[siampolee]

thailandchilli post# 2363.

Sounds to me like Sean could have had a nice payoff here to remain quiet, how else could he fund his lifestyle and trip to Italy, not playing guitar or singing thats for sure...have you heard his crap.

The handshake from the local RTP before he went that is captured in a photo says it all.

Now we are getting nearer the truth and soon we shall find out the identity (ies) of the characters, i.e. who or what and why they might be financing the lifestyle and membership of a non monastic silent order that Sean appears to have entered.

Sean,if he is called to testify and can and does so from Europe we may well find he cracks easily under cross examined

I am of the opinion that those characters in and on Koh Tao who have constructed a ''house of cards '' may well be fearing the zephyr of the wind of truth that is now beginning to become a mistral that is going to destroy that house of illusion and deceit they have carefully constructed with loving care but those characters forgot that. ''The devil is in the detail.''

Edited January 1, 2015 by siampolee

[BritTim]

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Sorry about that.

I'll put it another way.

I read in a newspaper that police said they made a mistake regards saying that Sean McAnna was French.

According to Sean the police made other mistakes:

• he did not use his own phone to take the photos; and
• he was not in the bar the night the alleged altercation took place (he was sleeping).

Worth noting also that the report was a day after Sean left the island. Also, while police escorted Sean from the convenience store, Sean says they then left him "in protective custody" in his room. Sean fled the room and spent the night alone in the jungle.

[Robby nz]

Was wondering also if the UK coroner or pathologist understood exactly what the police are claiming to be the murder weapon.

For instance it has been said to be a 'hoe' now there are several types of hoe for instance what I understood to be a hoe and used in the garden before I came to Thailand is a push hoe such as this :

This implement could have conceivably caused the wounds on David.

However the Thai version of a hoe, which is not unknown either in the UK or other parts of the world looks like this :

Which could not have caused David's injuries.

Edited January 1, 2015 by Robby nz

[StealthEnergiser]

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Sorry about that.

I'll put it another way.

I read in a newspaper that police said they made a mistake regards saying that Sean McAnna was French.

I was also reading something online where the two person that Sean took photo's of and put online refused to give DNA test to the police .

[loonodingle]

http://friendsinthailand.com/2014/09/23/frenchman-can-id-killers-molestation-witness-in-protective-custody/

An informed source said the unidentified French national told police he witnessed two Thai man trying to molest Hannah Witheridge, 23, at an entertainment venue.

He was also believed to have seen David Miller, 24, rescue Witheridge from the advances of the men before they left the venue together on the night before they were found murdered on the beach early on Sept 15, the same source said.

He provided the police with photos of the two men he took on his phone, the source said.

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Not allowed to mention source of below -

<<<< Content from Bangkok Post removed >>>>

I got it a way before removed. There is a conflict in french a Scottish but it's Sean. Perhaps 5th is is why the police are shaking his hand etc as he leaves. He had to been in Jungle after all. He had been in protective custody. As he left the island that's when Mon was arrested wasn't it. That day or the day after.

Sounds to me like Sean could have had a nice payoff here to remain quiet, how else could he fund his lifestyle and trip to Italy, not playing guitar or singing thats for sure...have you heard his crap.

The handshake from the local RTP before he went that is captured in a photo says it all.

In the other thread seeking defense witness. It says there will 2 foreign witnesses. 1 is Chris Ware. 1 is Sean we think.

It also says they are seeking funding for the defense witnesses to testify in their own country. Defense and prosecution lawyers will perhaps travel to Myanmar and the other country is the EU. That could be only England or England and Italy I suppose. A wonderful thing is the Thai government will fund the prosecution. The team are seeking funds for the defense. It does seem the judge wants to know the truth of this as much as anybody. Sean is called as a witness for the defense. Don't know what that means

The Way I read it is they have named Sean. He hasn't volunteered himself. He is just on the name of defence witnesses if the could get him to appear. They have to submit well in advance or they cannot include him later.

The prosecution had several witnesses denied from their list.

He is hardly likely to offer himself up after his statements in the press. He couldn't do it. I just watched an interview with him in it on the 16th Sept where he tells the presenter David was always the man Sean wanted to be...

[BritTim]

The Way I read it is they have named Sean. He hasn't volunteered himself. He is just on the name of defence witnesses if the could get him to appear. They have to submit well in advance or they cannot include him later.

The prosecution had several witnesses denied from their list.

He is hardly likely to offer himself up after his statements in the press. He couldn't do it. I just watched an interview with him in it on the 16th Sept where he tells the presenter David was always the man Sean wanted to be...

I just watched an interview with him in it on the 16th Sept where he tells the presenter David was always the man Sean wanted to be...

Interesting: I have not seen that. Can you provide a link please.

[loonodingle]

The Way I read it is they have named Sean. He hasn't volunteered himself. He is just on the name of defence witnesses if the could get him to appear. They have to submit well in advance or they cannot include him later.

The prosecution had several witnesses denied from their list.

He is hardly likely to offer himself up after his statements in the press. He couldn't do it. I just watched an interview with him in it on the 16th Sept where he tells the presenter David was always the man Sean wanted to be...

I just watched an interview with him in it on the 16th Sept where he tells the presenter David was always the man Sean wanted to be...

Interesting: I have not seen that. Can you provide a link please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QRQK0VHbWs

watch it through and he appears about 35 seconds in.

[catsanddogs]

Was wondering also if the UK coroner or pathologist understood exactly what the police are claiming to be the murder weapon.

For instance it has been said to be a 'hoe' now there are several types of hoe for instance what I understood to be a hoe and used in the garden before I came to Thailand is a push hoe such as this :

push hoe.jpg

This implement could have conceivably caused the wounds on David.

However the Thai version of a hoe, which is not unknown either in the UK or other parts of the world looks like this :

thai hoe.jpg

Which could not have caused David's injuries.

In the media photos of the hoe there is no blood seen on the blade at all. Only blood on the end of the hoes to which the blade is attached.

[changnaam]

This is the first I have heard of the Frenchman. This could be a real turn up for the defense if he would speak. I for one hope he will.

[BritTim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QRQK0VHbWs

watch it through and he appears about 35 seconds in.

Hmmm... This was just over a day after the murders. He looks sober and relaxed, happy to be in the limelight. What did he learn or do later that made him a target of Mon's wrath?

[loonodingle]

Was wondering also if the UK coroner or pathologist understood exactly what the police are claiming to be the murder weapon.

For instance it has been said to be a 'hoe' now there are several types of hoe for instance what I understood to be a hoe and used in the garden before I came to Thailand is a push hoe such as this :

push hoe.jpg

This implement could have conceivably caused the wounds on David.

However the Thai version of a hoe, which is not unknown either in the UK or other parts of the world looks like this :

thai hoe.jpg

Which could not have caused David's injuries.

In the media photos of the hoe there is no blood seen on the blade at all. Only blood on the end of the hoes to which the blade is attached.

There is defiantly many types of Hoe!!!

My M8 who just came back from Thailand talked to several. Who told him they cannot speak out. This very strong family.

[Mooner]

Was wondering also if the UK coroner or pathologist understood exactly what the police are claiming to be the murder weapon.

For instance it has been said to be a 'hoe' now there are several types of hoe for instance what I understood to be a hoe and used in the garden before I came to Thailand is a push hoe such as this :

push hoe.jpg

This implement could have conceivably caused the wounds on David.

However the Thai version of a hoe, which is not unknown either in the UK or other parts of the world looks like this :

thai hoe.jpg

Which could not have caused David's injuries.

In the media photos of the hoe there is no blood seen on the blade at all. Only blood on the end of the hoes to which the blade is attached.

There is defiantly many types of Hoe!!!

My M8 who just came back from Thailand talked to several. Who told him they cannot speak out. This very strong family.

keep quiet now but how would they feel if one of their family members are on the receiving end in the future?

[AleG]

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A different, parallel tack.

Was out standing in a field this morning thinking about this and it seems the change of focus came about when Gen Panya was replaced.

He had already arrested Mon and was looking for the son after saying there was enough evidence to convict them.

It would seem he was replaced because he was looking in the wrong, right, place (depending on point of view) for as soon as he was replaced they were no longer suspects, so questions :

Who ordered Gen Panya to be replaced ?

Has that person got any connections with Koh Tau ?

Was there any coercion, intimidation, bribery involved in the replacement ?

If there was bribery is there any way to find and follow a money trail ?

Has the person who ordered the transfer or any of their family made any extraordinary purchases since the replacement ?

Have any of the other police involved or their families made any extraordinary purchases since the investigation began ?

Possibly showing that money changed hands could indicate a cover up which would be of advantage to the defense.

Finally, could the defense call Gen Panya as a witness to explain why he considered Mon and the son to be the guilty parties rather than the 2 Burmese ?

His promotion, and replacement, was approved and scheduled since before the murders.

We've come to expect such flaccid reasoning from those who are shielding the Headman's people. And this item has been addressed already, but I'll repeat: If a top brass is just starting an investigation, he's not going to pulled from the job, all of a sudden, by higher ups, unless there's a compelling reason to do so. The main reason: He was barking up the wrong tree (accumulating evidence which implicated the real suspects). A secondary reason: the taxi driver who came forth claiming he was offered Bt.300k to snitch, and also claiming police beat him to comply. When the replacement showed up, all the evidence against the Headman's people was trashed, and the frame-up against the B3 was implemented. Since then, no evidence whatsoever has come forth from Thai officialdom which points to the Headman's people. AleG's assertion is as solid as a piece of tissue in a toilet bowl.

You are speculating, as usual, making things up as you go. How about you try for once to find the facts instead?

[AleG]

This is not going to be a popular post, especially as I am going to sound pompous.

Sometimes AleG posts information that is factual and correct. It does not help the case of those of us who doubt the RTP version of events to deny those facts. All it does is help those who want to brand us "conspiracy theorists who speculate in the teeth of evidence to the contrary". Meanwhile, the true issues get muddied. Here is a classic example:

Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen was transferred because he was after Mon and Namsot FALSE The timing was unfortunate, but his promotion had long been planned. Further, it was Pol Lt Gen Panya who made this statement just before taking up his new appointment:

The son of Woraphan Tuwichian, a Koh Tao village headman, was Thursday cleared because he was proven not to be on Koh Tao at the time of the murders.

This does not establish Nomsot's innocence, but it lays to rest the notion that Panya was removed to protect Mon and Nomsot. [Note that I do not know if Nomsot was involved. If the only proof he was in Bangkok is the CCTV, then I am not yet convinced. However, I have not seen any credible source confirming the claims that the furniture does not fit what should have been there. This is surprising, as proof of CCTV falsification would be big international news.]

The replacement of Panya with Pol Lt General Decha Butrnamphech may have been important for other reasons, though, as explained by Sondhi Limthongkul on TV October 15. His amazing long statement is mostly only available in Thai (

) but a short excerpt with English subtitles is at

(click near bottom right to enable subtitles). Main points: police did not dare arrest real culprits and Decha was determined to arrest scapegoats to please his boss.

We really need to try very hard to stick to verifiable facts, and be honest when we are putting forward theories based on incomplete evidence. We also need to acknowledge that the whole truth is not always quite the way we imagined it.

Good to see that you, unlike boomerangutang to name but one, actually went out and look at the facts.

[IslandLover]

StealthEnergiser, on 01 Jan 2015 - 00:46, said:

loonodingle, on 31 Dec 2014 - 22:44, said:

This was posted on F/B Ref Sean McAnna in the last hour in the discussions that are taking place there as well. It could be the first crack appearing in his Alibi.

Buggly Boo Ask admin where is Chris cooper on the witness list ? He wrote on here saying he was drinking on the beach with sean that night , but then ask admin to remove his name as he was scared ...he lives on koh tao and works for planet dive I believe ? Maybe admin can explain ?

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I am Not sure if Sean is telling the truth also

He said: “The two men chased me into a shop and I ran behind the counter.

“I took the girls phone from her that was working behind the counter and I went on my Facebook.

“I took pics of the guys and uploaded them to say that if anything happens to me everybody knows who did it.

“They need a scapegoat and they don't want it to be locals.

“They want it to be a westerner.

“So if I kill myself here, if I hang myself here, then it is easy to say: "see it was him.

“I genuinely thought that was the day I was going to die. I genuinely thought that this was me dead - that I was gone. “I phoned my mum, I phoned my sister.

“I basically wanted to say my goodbyes. I was so scared. I was so scared.

---------------------------------

But then he goes onto Facebook he asks sky news to phone him , I don't think they would have the girls phone number .

This needs further investigation to check the phones because if he is lying about one thing he may be lying about the others.

crimescene88.jpg

crimescene87.jpg

crimescene27.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYpVqTxrlJM&feature=youtu.be

The phone in crimescene87.jpg photo is the one I was referring to in an earlier post on this thread. I thought it was a Ducati logo, but maybe not (looks more like Ferrari colours). But whose phone is this and who is holding it? I first saw it in a video from Thai TV and I thought someone from the RTP was handling it.

[rockingrobin]

This is not going to be a popular post, especially as I am going to sound pompous.

Sometimes AleG posts information that is factual and correct. It does not help the case of those of us who doubt the RTP version of events to deny those facts. All it does is help those who want to brand us "conspiracy theorists who speculate in the teeth of evidence to the contrary". Meanwhile, the true issues get muddied. Here is a classic example:

Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen was transferred because he was after Mon and Namsot FALSE The timing was unfortunate, but his promotion had long been planned. Further, it was Pol Lt Gen Panya who made this statement just before taking up his new appointment:

The son of Woraphan Tuwichian, a Koh Tao village headman, was Thursday cleared because he was proven not to be on Koh Tao at the time of the murders.

This does not establish Nomsot's innocence, but it lays to rest the notion that Panya was removed to protect Mon and Nomsot. [Note that I do not know if Nomsot was involved. If the only proof he was in Bangkok is the CCTV, then I am not yet convinced. However, I have not seen any credible source confirming the claims that the furniture does not fit what should have been there. This is surprising, as proof of CCTV falsification would be big international news.]

The replacement of Panya with Pol Lt General Decha Butrnamphech may have been important for other reasons, though, as explained by Sondhi Limthongkul on TV October 15. His amazing long statement is mostly only available in Thai (

) but a short excerpt with English subtitles is at

(click near bottom right to enable subtitles). Main points: police did not dare arrest real culprits and Decha was determined to arrest scapegoats to please his boss.

We really need to try very hard to stick to verifiable facts, and be honest when we are putting forward theories based on incomplete evidence. We also need to acknowledge that the whole truth is not always quite the way we imagined it.

Good to see that you, unlike boomerangutang to name but one, actually went out and look at the facts.

The only facts I Know is the following

Crime scene mismanaged

No chain of custody of the crime scene

The profile of the suggested motive does not fit the crime

The statements presented are contradictory

There was no attention to detail by the rtp

Persons was cleared off involvement based on dna only

Who actually knows the facts,

[boomerangutang]

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A different, parallel tack.

Was out standing in a field this morning thinking about this and it seems the change of focus came about when Gen Panya was replaced.

He had already arrested Mon and was looking for the son after saying there was enough evidence to convict them.

It would seem he was replaced because he was looking in the wrong, right, place (depending on point of view) for as soon as he was replaced they were no longer suspects, so questions :

Who ordered Gen Panya to be replaced ?

Has that person got any connections with Koh Tau ?

Was there any coercion, intimidation, bribery involved in the replacement ?

If there was bribery is there any way to find and follow a money trail ?

Has the person who ordered the transfer or any of their family made any extraordinary purchases since the replacement ?

Have any of the other police involved or their families made any extraordinary purchases since the investigation began ?

Possibly showing that money changed hands could indicate a cover up which would be of advantage to the defense.

Finally, could the defense call Gen Panya as a witness to explain why he considered Mon and the son to be the guilty parties rather than the 2 Burmese ?

His promotion, and replacement, was approved and scheduled since before the murders.

We've come to expect such flaccid reasoning from those who are shielding the Headman's people. And this item has been addressed already, but I'll repeat: If a top brass is just starting an investigation, he's not going to pulled from the job, all of a sudden, by higher ups, unless there's a compelling reason to do so. The main reason: He was barking up the wrong tree (accumulating evidence which implicated the real suspects). A secondary reason: the taxi driver who came forth claiming he was offered Bt.300k to snitch, and also claiming police beat him to comply. When the replacement showed up, all the evidence against the Headman's people was trashed, and the frame-up against the B3 was implemented. Since then, no evidence whatsoever has come forth from Thai officialdom which points to the Headman's people. AleG's assertion is as solid as a piece of tissue in a toilet bowl.

You are speculating, as usual, making things up as you go. How about you try for once to find the facts instead?

You're vague as usual, and adding nothing to the discussion, except blanket denials slopped on every sort of well-reasoned contributions. You and the other denialists can't add specifics or details to the discussion, so you digress to defensive tactics while alluding, once in awhile to the seriousness of defamation of character suits. Defamation suits are what people like Thaksin use to try and shut up people who seek to speak the truth.

You want facts? Here are some facts put forth by Thai officialdom:

>>> "A Thai person couldn't have done this"

>>> "attractive farang women should be careful when wearing bikinis..."

>>> "The hoe was the weapon used to kill David"

>>> "The wounds on David were from the sharp end of the hoe"

>>> "We found Hannah's stolen phone behind the Burmeses' dwelling."

>>> "The two Burmese saw the two farang having sex, which threw them in to a killing and raping rage."

>>> "There are no scapegoats in this case"

>>> "If the DNA matches, then the Burmese must be the murderers and the rapists."

AleG, you can believe 'em all, if you choose.

[metisdead]

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[loonodingle]

Good to see that you, unlike boomerangutang to name but one, actually went out and look at the facts.

The only facts I Know is the following

Crime scene mismanaged

No chain of custody of the crime scene

The profile of the suggested motive does not fit the crime

The statements presented are contradictory

There was no attention to detail by the rtp

Persons was cleared off involvement based on dna only

Who actually knows the facts,

That's a pretty good summing up.

The Jist is still Hannah stayed in the AC bar. David went back to his room. He went out to look for her. She was having some problems in the bar (AC will not hand over the tapes) David intervened and they left into the darkness along the beach to their rooms. (They where in the same block i believe) The Thais who lost face raged on and went after them. Killing David and raping Hannah before they killed her to.

Whoever done this was so incensed at what happened. He may of been incensed with David for taking Hannah out of the bar.

Who actually knows the facts, ..................... well 2 of them are dead. The others don't want us to find out.

[loonodingle]

Thai island murder investigation hits a wall of silence With locals unwilling to talk on an island with a powerful hidden underworld, fears grow that the truth behind the brutal murders of David Miller and Hannah Witheridge may never be heard

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11111532/Thai-island-murder-investigation-hits-a-wall-of-silence.html

[IslandLover]

loonodingle, on 01 Jan 2015 - 16:09, said:loonodingle, on 01 Jan 2015 - 16:09, said:loonodingle, on 01 Jan 2015 - 16:09, said:

Thai island murder investigation hits a wall of silence With locals unwilling to talk on an island with a powerful hidden underworld, fears grow that the truth behind the brutal murders of David Miller and Hannah Witheridge may never be heard

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11111532/Thai-island-murder-investigation-hits-a-wall-of-silence.html

I noticed something curious in this article.

Wailwinphyo, a 21-year-old migrant from Burma who works as a fire juggler at the bar, said there were dozens of drinkers there for his Sunday night performance.

and

He, too, claimed to have no memory of seeing the couple at the bar and says he saw them for the first time the following morning on the beach. By that time they were dead.

"I saw two bodies but we didn't see their faces – they were covered with towels," he said.

Isn't the suspect "Win" also known as Wai Phyo? He was also referred to as Cho in some reports. BTW it was Cho, or Win, who was arrested in Surat Thani after fleeing the island.

EDIT: my last sentences/observations above are not supposed to be in italics but I cannot remove it for some reason.

Edited January 1, 2015 by IslandLover

[AleG]

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We've come to expect such flaccid reasoning from those who are shielding the Headman's people. And this item has been addressed already, but I'll repeat: If a top brass is just starting an investigation, he's not going to pulled from the job, all of a sudden, by higher ups, unless there's a compelling reason to do so. The main reason: He was barking up the wrong tree (accumulating evidence which implicated the real suspects). A secondary reason: the taxi driver who came forth claiming he was offered Bt.300k to snitch, and also claiming police beat him to comply. When the replacement showed up, all the evidence against the Headman's people was trashed, and the frame-up against the B3 was implemented. Since then, no evidence whatsoever has come forth from Thai officialdom which points to the Headman's people. AleG's assertion is as solid as a piece of tissue in a toilet bowl.

You are speculating, as usual, making things up as you go. How about you try for once to find the facts instead?

You're vague as usual, and adding nothing to the discussion, except blanket denials slopped on every sort of well-reasoned contributions. You and the other denialists can't add specifics or details to the discussion, so you digress to defensive tactics while alluding, once in awhile to the seriousness of defamation of character suits. Defamation suits are what people like Thaksin use to try and shut up people who seek to speak the truth.

You want facts? Here are some facts put forth by Thai officialdom:

>>> "A Thai person couldn't have done this"

>>> "attractive farang women should be careful when wearing bikinis..."

>>> "The hoe was the weapon used to kill David"

>>> "The wounds on David were from the sharp end of the hoe"

>>> "We found Hannah's stolen phone behind the Burmeses' dwelling."

>>> "The two Burmese saw the two farang having sex, which threw them in to a killing and raping rage."

>>> "There are no scapegoats in this case"

>>> "If the DNA matches, then the Burmese must be the murderers and the rapists."

AleG, you can believe 'em all, if you choose.

And just like that you slither away; when caught talking BS, peddle some other BS as a smoke screen.

[berybert]

loonodingle, on 01 Jan 2015 - 16:09, said:loonodingle, on 01 Jan 2015 - 16:09, said:

Thai island murder investigation hits a wall of silence With locals unwilling to talk on an island with a powerful hidden underworld, fears grow that the truth behind the brutal murders of David Miller and Hannah Witheridge may never be heard

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11111532/Thai-island-murder-investigation-hits-a-wall-of-silence.html

I noticed something curious in this article.

Wailwinphyo, a 21-year-old migrant from Burma who works as a fire juggler at the bar, said there were dozens of drinkers there for his Sunday night performance.

and

He, too, claimed to have no memory of seeing the couple at the bar and says he saw them for the first time the following morning on the beach. By that time they were dead.

"I saw two bodies but we didn't see their faces – they were covered with towels," he said.

Isn't the suspect "Win" also known as Wai Phyo? He was also referred to as Cho in some reports. BTW it was Cho, or Win, who was arrested in Surat Thani after fleeing the island.

EDIT: my last sentence is not supposed to be in italics but I cannot remove it for some reason.

No it was Soe who was arrested in Surat Thani. He was aged between 25 to 27. Get with the program.

[IslandLover]

berybert, on 01 Jan 2015 - 16:42, said:berybert, on 01 Jan 2015 - 16:42, said:

IslandLover, on 01 Jan 2015 - 16:32, said:IslandLover, on 01 Jan 2015 - 16:32, said:

loonodingle, on 01 Jan 2015 - 16:09, said:loonodingle, on 01 Jan 2015 - 16:09, said:loonodingle, on 01 Jan 2015 - 16:09, said:loonodingle, on 01 Jan 2015 - 16:09, said:

Thai island murder investigation hits a wall of silence With locals unwilling to talk on an island with a powerful hidden underworld, fears grow that the truth behind the brutal murders of David Miller and Hannah Witheridge may never be heard

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11111532/Thai-island-murder-investigation-hits-a-wall-of-silence.html

I noticed something curious in this article.

Wailwinphyo, a 21-year-old migrant from Burma who works as a fire juggler at the bar, said there were dozens of drinkers there for his Sunday night performance.

and

He, too, claimed to have no memory of seeing the couple at the bar and says he saw them for the first time the following morning on the beach. By that time they were dead.

"I saw two bodies but we didn't see their faces – they were covered with towels," he said.

Isn't the suspect "Win" also known as Wai Phyo? He was also referred to as Cho in some reports. BTW it was Cho, or Win, who was arrested in Surat Thani after fleeing the island.

EDIT: my last sentence is not supposed to be in italics but I cannot remove it for some reason.

No it was Soe who was arrested in Surat Thani. He was aged between 25 to 27. Get with the program.

The report I read said his name was "Cho" and yes it said he was aged between 25 to 27. "Cho" was later identified as "Win". We now know that both "Win" and "Zaw" are 21, so perhaps the age of the suspect "Cho" was initially misreported, like so many other things about this case. We have another poster on here who claimed it was "Maung Maung" who was arrested in Surat Thani. So which is it? I don't know for sure. Do you? It was also suggested that the man who fled to Surat Thani did so because he was an illegal migrant. The only one of the suspected trio of Win, Zaw and Maung Maung who seems to have a legitimate passport is Zaw.

Edited January 1, 2015 by IslandLover