Family of Brits murdered in Thailand say evidence convincing

[boomerangutang]

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You're a published author on the trail of a story -- you've already offered on here to co-write a book with one of the UK investigators -- maybe you're the next Woodward & Bernstein doggedly pursuing 'the 'truth' against all odds put in your way by the entrenched establishment. Or as per Supertramp:

Now they're planning the crime of the century

Well what will it be?

Read all about their schemes and adventuring

It's well worth a fee

It's tricky calling it the crime of the century' when the century is only 14% passed by (yes, I know it's now 2015, but the century won't be 15% gone, until the end of this year). I thought of the idea (or trying to write a chronicle of the crime), but am getting lazier in my 60's. Greenchair of one of the others probably has more energy to do something like that. Plus, I'm somewhat emotional about it all. I might go off on fuming tangents, leaving smoke trails like the Challenger Space Shuttle's last lift-off.

The Charles Lindbergh baby kidnapping/murder occurred in 1932 but that didn't stop them from calling it 'The Crime f the Century' back then. But maybe your biggest hang-up might be that everything you have written here on ThaiVisa.com is copyright ThaiVisa.com so you could not use anything written here without dispensation from George and the Gang.

Yes, various trials have been called, '...of the century' Probably the top candidate for the 20th century was the Nuremburg trials. For an individual on trial, I'd have to lean to the OJ trial, though I'm subjective because I followed it on TV. Watergate investigation and Nixon's impeachment gets (dis-) honorable mention. And Reagan's Irangate.

Interesting you again mention copyright and T.Visa. Even more interesting is if your claim (I can't even quote from what I wrote) is true. But we're way off topic here. What's important now, is to try and determine who are the murderers and rapists on Ko Tao, and whether they'll be able to continue to stroll around, looking for new targets, ....knowing they're untouchable.

What's the latest on the mention that the Brit inquest may be put off for 10 months? If that turns out to be true, then it bolsters up my assertion that: not finding and nailing the actual criminals, will continue to endanger every backpacker who ventures to that island. Hello Brit experts: are you going to continue lurking in the shadows, or are you going to stiffen your resolve and do the right thing? ....at least for the young folks who continue to hang out at Ko Tao. Eat some beef and drink some whiskey (or whatever it is the Brits do to gain courage) ....and publish some of your findings re; the crime.

[JLCrab]

What put at least me off-topic is your claim that: I find no glee in pointing out how wrong and inept Thai officials are ... but such is the heavy demand placed upon your shoulders.

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BTW2 I lived in New York city during the 1976-77 Son-of-Sam Murders when young blond women were terrified of who and where might be the next murder....

Edited January 2, 2015 by JLCrab

[catsanddogs]

Pleasant little comment I just stumbled across from McAnna on the web from April last year -

&lt;deleted&gt; love this song. It almost makes me not want to kill you all. But I will. One by one. 

https://plus.google.com/101768055405292405319/posts

[catsanddogs]

A Scottish man is being kept in protective custody in Thailand after a photo he took could identify the murderer of British backpackers David Miller and Hannah Witheridge.

The man, believed to be tourist Sean McAnna from Lanarkshire, Scotland, claims he saw two Thai men trying to molest 23-year-old Witheridge before Miller intervened to stop the pair's advances hours before they were found murdered.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/koh-tao-thailand-photo-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-murder-suspects-1466751

[greenchair]

What put at least me off-topic is your claim that: I find no glee in pointing out how wrong and inept Thai officials are ... but such is the heavy demand placed upon your shoulders.

BTW : Preservation of Intellectual Property Rights

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BTW2 I lived in New York city during the 1976-77 Son-of-Sam Murders when young blond women were terrified of who and where might be the next murder....

What on earth are you on about now. Bonkers. Seriously bonkers?

[JLCrab]

What put at least me off-topic is your claim that: I find no glee in pointing out how wrong and inept Thai officials are ... but such is the heavy demand placed upon your shoulders.

BTW : Preservation of Intellectual Property Rights

All material on this site, including, but not limited to images, illustrations and multimedia materials, is protected by copyrights which are owned and controlled by THAIVISA.COM

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BTW2 I lived in New York city during the 1976-77 Son-of-Sam Murders when young blond women were terrified of who and where might be the next murder....

What on earth are you on about now. Bonkers. Seriously bonkers?

Why restrict it to Earth?

Edited January 2, 2015 by JLCrab

[catsanddogs]

Sean Hayes McAnna is an Actor and Model based in Glasgow, United Kingdom. ViewSean Hayes' StarNow profile, photos and more.

http://www.starnow.co.uk/seanmcanna

Six foot two and eyes of blue. An actor indeed.

[catsanddogs]

Sean also said he was among a group of people playing guitar on the beach near the scene.

Mr Sean claimed he did not go out anywhere but slept in the room, Montriwat said.

Police freed both Montriwat and his brother Woraphan after blood and urine test did not match DNA collected from the scene, and no drug addiction was found.

But police investigators said more test would be conducted and they are still hunting for another suspect who is the son of the AC Bar’s owner and was reported to flee into Bangkok.

But as Montriwat is the man appeared in the CCTV video footage near the scene, the police still did not rule out a possible connection.

The police still wanted to question both for more information, particularly Wiraphan’s two sons who they said have escaped from the island after the murder.

But well-informed source said in fact both sons who the Bangkok police are hunting are studying at a university in Bangkok and they arrived just on study, not running as the police said.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/new-twist-murder-two-brits-koh-tao

[catsanddogs]

Seems the British police must have DNA from Hannah then -

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/hannah_witheridge_inquest_opens_as_police_search_for_three_people_believed_to_be_involved_in_her_murder_1_3790331 (OCT 1ST)

Speaking at the inquest, senior coroner Jacqueline Lake said Miss Witheridge had been indentified using DNA taken from her parents - Tony and Susan Witheridge.

[JLCrab]

Seems the British police must have DNA from Hannah then -

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/hannah_witheridge_inquest_opens_as_police_search_for_three_people_believed_to_be_involved_in_her_murder_1_3790331 (OCT 1ST)

Speaking at the inquest, senior coroner Jacqueline Lake said Miss Witheridge had been indentified using DNA taken from her parents - Tony and Susan Witheridge.

Yes -- Hannah's own DNA for Identification purposes.

[greenchair]

A Scottish man is being kept in protective custody in Thailand after a photo he took could identify the murderer of British backpackers David Miller and Hannah Witheridge.

The man, believed to be tourist Sean McAnna from Lanarkshire, Scotland, claims he saw two Thai men trying to molest 23-year-old Witheridge before Miller intervened to stop the pair's advances hours before they were found murdered.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/koh-tao-thailand-photo-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-murder-suspects-1466751

You see. First he said he saw a problem the bar and Saw David intervene. Then he said oh no I was sleeping.

Looking for another news clip.

Mon said yes that is me in the video. He said he was sleeping,one of his staff woke him up. I remember making a comment. Apparently he flew out of bed,jumped into his shorts and raced down to the beach. Then ran back again.

I don't know how it became nomsod.

Nomsod has been used as a deflector by the people who do not want this investigated ?

[BritTim]

A Scottish man is being kept in protective custody in Thailand after a photo he took could identify the murderer of British backpackers David Miller and Hannah Witheridge.

The man, believed to be tourist Sean McAnna from Lanarkshire, Scotland, claims he saw two Thai men trying to molest 23-year-old Witheridge before Miller intervened to stop the pair's advances hours before they were found murdered.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/koh-tao-thailand-photo-david-miller-hannah-witheridge-murder-suspects-1466751

Sean claims this is bad reporting, and he claimed no such thing. Why, safely out of Thailand now, would Sean deny this if it is true? It would be interesting to talk with the reporter who originated the report.

[JLCrab]

Sean and mon at a press conference.

Mon:'he did it. We washed the

blood from him. '?

Sean:he did it.'he had a fight

with her in a bar, I have

the picture'?

Sean/mon: they did it,we saw

them at the beach

playing guitar.?

Hi GC,

where did u get this piece from.

Snicker. ? I made it up. I was just wondering what all the suspects would say if they were all in a room together. With a judge saying.

Who did it? ???

Well as long as we're making things up, how about this one:

The third Burmese guy said he left the 2 accused on the beach around 1AM and then went to visit his girlfriend. He then returned to their shared room at 4AM and saw the 2 soundly asleep. However, maybe instead of leaving girlfriend #1 just before 4 AM and then heading straight back to the shared room, he went to visit girlfriend #2 and didn't return to the room until shortly before sunup September 15 on Koh Tao which would have been at 6:10 AM

He says he went back to the room at 4 AM because, even though girlfriend #2 knows about girlfriend #1, girlfriend #1 does not know about girlfriend #2 so he has to say that he returned to the room around 4AM else there will be a woman scorned -- and he really has know idea that the 2 accused did not return to their room until shortly before sunup at 6:10 AM when they were in their room whether asleep or not.

Edited January 2, 2015 by JLCrab

[greenchair]

Sean also said he was among a group of people playing guitar on the beach near the scene.

Mr Sean claimed he did not go out anywhere but slept in the room, Montriwat said.

Police freed both Montriwat and his brother Woraphan after blood and urine test did not match DNA collected from the scene, and no drug addiction was found.

But police investigators said more test would be conducted and they are still hunting for another suspect who is the son of the AC Bars owner and was reported to flee into Bangkok.

But as Montriwat is the man appeared in the CCTV video footage near the scene, the police still did not rule out a possible connection.

The police still wanted to question both for more information, particularly Wiraphans two sons who they said have escaped from the island after the murder.

But well-informed source said in fact both sons who the Bangkok police are hunting are studying at a university in Bangkok and they arrived just on study, not running as the police said.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/new-twist-murder-two-brits-koh-tao

Thanks topcat. In this one Sean was playing guitar at the beach.

Must be more bad reporting.

But the thing I was wanting is right here.

1.mon was the one in the video.

2.the police were searching for

Two brothers .

3. They were not running from police they were just going back to university. Which obviously means they were not at the university and then arrived there from somewhere.

At this time the whole thing changed.

If you look in another place mon explains why he was in the video.

[AleG]

For post #2408 above, what's source?

As for your question ("do you agree with RTP that David was killed by the hoe? yes or no?"), show me first that is the scenario the prosecution is presenting at the trial.

Why am I not surprised you can't answer the question? The prosecution and RTP, has shown in the reenactment that the hoe was used to kill David (I agree, the blunt end may have been used to smash his head), but the RTP has made no explanation of the shallow push-blade cuts to his neck and other parts of his upper body. By inference and by demonstration, the RTP (and therefore the prosecution) can't explain the blade wounds in a reasonable way. Indeed, they don't even acknowledge they're inflicted by a sharp blade.

AleG can't address it either, in any detail, because he's fixated on discounting anything which counters the official nonsense emitted by Thai officials. I'm just showing that bit of evidence as one, of dozens, of things which Thai officialdom is WRONG about. I find no glee in pointing out how wrong and inept Thai officials are. However, such things need to be showcased, in order to get closer to the truth of what happened that night - toward nailing the real murderers and rapists. Everything Thai officials have said and done since the replacement head cop was instated by Bkk, has pointed at framing the B2, and shielding people connected to the Headman. Few people, who follow this case, believe otherwise. Even most Thai officials don't believe their own contrived scenario, but they're duty-bound to back it, unless they want to be out of a job, or worse.

At the reconstruction they didn't use a hoe, they used a dust pan, are you going to claim that the police story is that they actually used a dust pan for the murder based on that?

The only people clinging to they say the hoe was used on both victims are conspiracy theorists like yourself.

"Police now believe that two weapons were used to bludgeon the Britons to death on Koh Tao’s main beach in the early hours of Sept 15."

"Officers were also understood to be searching areas of forest on the east side of the island. A police diver was seen searching an area of coast near the murder scene for a metal object thought to have been used as a second murder weapon."

"Police divers today scrapped the sea floor in their hunt for the weapon used to bludgeon Brit David Miller..."

Now do the usual thing, were you ignore that you are factually wrong and try to change the subject to something else.

[greenchair]

Sean and mon at a press conference.

Mon:'he did it. We washed the

blood from him. '?

Sean:he did it.'he had a fight

with her in a bar, I have

the picture'?

Sean/mon: they did it,we saw

them at the beach

playing guitar.?

Hi GC,

where did u get this piece from.

Snicker. ? I made it up. I was just wondering what all the suspects would say if they were all in a room together. With a judge saying.

Who did it? ???

Well as long as we're making things up, how about this one:

The third Burmese guy said he left the 2 accused on the beach around 1AM and then went to visit his girlfriend. He then returned to their shared room at 4AM and saw the 2 soundly asleep. However, maybe instead of leaving girlfriend #1 just before 4 AM and then heading straight back to the shared room, he went to visit girlfriend #2 and didn't return to the room until shortly before sunup September 15 on Koh Tao which would have been at 6:10 AM

He says he went back to the room at 4 AM because, even though girlfriend #2 knows about girlfriend #1, girlfriend #1 does not know about girlfriend #2 so he has to say that he returned to the room around 4AM else there will be a woman scorned -- and he really has know idea that the 2 accused did not return to their room until shortly before sunup at 6:10 AM when they were in their room whether asleep or not.

That would be fine in your fantasy. Except Muang says he went back at 5am not 4.

Better do a rewrite for the new novel ?

[loonodingle]

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A different, parallel tack.

Was out standing in a field this morning thinking about this and it seems the change of focus came about when Gen Panya was replaced.

He had already arrested Mon and was looking for the son after saying there was enough evidence to convict them.

It would seem he was replaced because he was looking in the wrong, right, place (depending on point of view) for as soon as he was replaced they were no longer suspects, so questions :

Who ordered Gen Panya to be replaced ?

Has that person got any connections with Koh Tau ?

Was there any coercion, intimidation, bribery involved in the replacement ?

If there was bribery is there any way to find and follow a money trail ?

Has the person who ordered the transfer or any of their family made any extraordinary purchases since the replacement ?

Have any of the other police involved or their families made any extraordinary purchases since the investigation began ?

Possibly showing that money changed hands could indicate a cover up which would be of advantage to the defense.

Finally, could the defense call Gen Panya as a witness to explain why he considered Mon and the son to be the guilty parties rather than the 2 Burmese ?

His promotion, and replacement, was approved and scheduled since before the murders.

We've come to expect such flaccid reasoning from those who are shielding the Headman's people. And this item has been addressed already, but I'll repeat: If a top brass is just starting an investigation, he's not going to pulled from the job, all of a sudden, by higher ups, unless there's a compelling reason to do so. The main reason: He was barking up the wrong tree (accumulating evidence which implicated the real suspects). A secondary reason: the taxi driver who came forth claiming he was offered Bt.300k to snitch, and also claiming police beat him to comply. When the replacement showed up, all the evidence against the Headman's people was trashed, and the frame-up against the B3 was implemented. Since then, no evidence whatsoever has come forth from Thai officialdom which points to the Headman's people. AleG's assertion is as solid as a piece of tissue in a toilet bowl.

You are speculating, as usual, making things up as you go. How about you try for once to find the facts instead?

I Just sent you some Facts AleG in your PM. Cant Post it on Here.

[JLCrab]

Except Muang says he went back at 5am not 4

So the 2 had even more time then I thought.

[aimbc]

For post #2408 above, what's source?

As for your question ("do you agree with RTP that David was killed by the hoe? yes or no?"), show me first that is the scenario the prosecution is presenting at the trial.

Why am I not surprised you can't answer the question? The prosecution and RTP, has shown in the reenactment that the hoe was used to kill David (I agree, the blunt end may have been used to smash his head), but the RTP has made no explanation of the shallow push-blade cuts to his neck and other parts of his upper body. By inference and by demonstration, the RTP (and therefore the prosecution) can't explain the blade wounds in a reasonable way. Indeed, they don't even acknowledge they're inflicted by a sharp blade.

AleG can't address it either, in any detail, because he's fixated on discounting anything which counters the official nonsense emitted by Thai officials. I'm just showing that bit of evidence as one, of dozens, of things which Thai officialdom is WRONG about. I find no glee in pointing out how wrong and inept Thai officials are. However, such things need to be showcased, in order to get closer to the truth of what happened that night - toward nailing the real murderers and rapists. Everything Thai officials have said and done since the replacement head cop was instated by Bkk, has pointed at framing the B2, and shielding people connected to the Headman. Few people, who follow this case, believe otherwise. Even most Thai officials don't believe their own contrived scenario, but they're duty-bound to back it, unless they want to be out of a job, or worse.

At the reconstruction they didn't use a hoe, they used a dust pan, are you going to claim that the police story is that they actually used a dust pan for the murder based on that?

The only people clinging to they say the hoe was used on both victims are conspiracy theorists like yourself.

"Police now believe that two weapons were used to bludgeon the Britons to death on Koh Tao’s main beach in the early hours of Sept 15."

"Officers were also understood to be searching areas of forest on the east side of the island. A police diver was seen searching an area of coast near the murder scene for a metal object thought to have been used as a second murder weapon."

"Police divers today scrapped the sea floor in their hunt for the weapon used to bludgeon Brit David Miller..."

Now do the usual thing, were you ignore that you are factually wrong and try to change the subject to something else.

So the two reenactments with the dust pan, was it used on the male victim as well? Did they also showed how they created the wounds with the second weapon?

[thailandchilli]

For post #2408 above, what's source?

As for your question ("do you agree with RTP that David was killed by the hoe? yes or no?"), show me first that is the scenario the prosecution is presenting at the trial.

Why am I not surprised you can't answer the question? The prosecution and RTP, has shown in the reenactment that the hoe was used to kill David (I agree, the blunt end may have been used to smash his head), but the RTP has made no explanation of the shallow push-blade cuts to his neck and other parts of his upper body. By inference and by demonstration, the RTP (and therefore the prosecution) can't explain the blade wounds in a reasonable way. Indeed, they don't even acknowledge they're inflicted by a sharp blade.

AleG can't address it either, in any detail, because he's fixated on discounting anything which counters the official nonsense emitted by Thai officials. I'm just showing that bit of evidence as one, of dozens, of things which Thai officialdom is WRONG about. I find no glee in pointing out how wrong and inept Thai officials are. However, such things need to be showcased, in order to get closer to the truth of what happened that night - toward nailing the real murderers and rapists. Everything Thai officials have said and done since the replacement head cop was instated by Bkk, has pointed at framing the B2, and shielding people connected to the Headman. Few people, who follow this case, believe otherwise. Even most Thai officials don't believe their own contrived scenario, but they're duty-bound to back it, unless they want to be out of a job, or worse.

At the reconstruction they didn't use a hoe, they used a dust pan, are you going to claim that the police story is that they actually used a dust pan for the murder based on that?

The only people clinging to they say the hoe was used on both victims are conspiracy theorists like yourself.

"Police now believe that two weapons were used to bludgeon the Britons to death on Koh Tao’s main beach in the early hours of Sept 15."

"Officers were also understood to be searching areas of forest on the east side of the island. A police diver was seen searching an area of coast near the murder scene for a metal object thought to have been used as a second murder weapon."

"Police divers today scrapped the sea floor in their hunt for the weapon used to bludgeon Brit David Miller..."

Now do the usual thing, were you ignore that you are factually wrong and try to change the subject to something else.

Your going back a long way there AleG and when others do that you accuse them of cherry picking.

The RTP have changed their stories many times since then and if you bothered to go to the latest article in the Telegraph dated 26th Dec rather than the one you picked dated 24th Sept then you will see the latest news and the evidence from the actual prosecutors documents in court:

"during a court hearing on Friday on the nearby island of Koh Samui, a judge ruled their trial would start on July 8. Prosecution documents seen by The Telegraph allege the two men killed both Mr Miller and Ms Witheridge with a hoe."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11313714/Koh-Tao-murders-suspects-in-killing-of-David-Miller-and-Hannah-Witheridge-say-they-were-framed.html

There are also many other reports stating that the hoe is the only weapon the prosecution is stating as the one which killed both Hannah and David.

So according to you the prosecution are now conspiracy theorists!

Edited January 2, 2015 by thailandchilli

[BritTim]

At the reconstruction they didn't use a hoe, they used a dust pan, are you going to claim that the police story is that they actually used a dust pan for the murder based on that?

The only people clinging to they say the hoe was used on both victims are conspiracy theorists like yourself.

"Police now believe that two weapons were used to bludgeon the Britons to death on Koh Tao’s main beach in the early hours of Sept 15."

"Officers were also understood to be searching areas of forest on the east side of the island. A police diver was seen searching an area of coast near the murder scene for a metal object thought to have been used as a second murder weapon."

"Police divers today scrapped the sea floor in their hunt for the weapon used to bludgeon Brit David Miller..."

Now do the usual thing, were you ignore that you are factually wrong and try to change the subject to something else.

OK, AleG, let's ignore the fact that this is not the main line of the RTP story, but one of its numerous sidelines. Where does that leave us? Presumably, the freely-given confessions of the Burmese kids would have included the weapons they used and where they disposed of them after the crime. This being so, why are the RTP so vague as to what the weapon was? Why do they need to go searching well away from the crime scene when they can just refer to the confessions to know where the "metal object" is?

According to the RTP/pancake seller narrative, the only weapon clearly identified is the hoe, but there is supposedly evidence (unspecified) for a bottle, wooden club and metal object. How many attackers were there again?

Edited January 2, 2015 by BritTim

[loonodingle]

For post #2408 above, what's source?

As for your question ("do you agree with RTP that David was killed by the hoe? yes or no?"), show me first that is the scenario the prosecution is presenting at the trial.

Why am I not surprised you can't answer the question? The prosecution and RTP, has shown in the reenactment that the hoe was used to kill David (I agree, the blunt end may have been used to smash his head), but the RTP has made no explanation of the shallow push-blade cuts to his neck and other parts of his upper body. By inference and by demonstration, the RTP (and therefore the prosecution) can't explain the blade wounds in a reasonable way. Indeed, they don't even acknowledge they're inflicted by a sharp blade.

AleG can't address it either, in any detail, because he's fixated on discounting anything which counters the official nonsense emitted by Thai officials. I'm just showing that bit of evidence as one, of dozens, of things which Thai officialdom is WRONG about. I find no glee in pointing out how wrong and inept Thai officials are. However, such things need to be showcased, in order to get closer to the truth of what happened that night - toward nailing the real murderers and rapists. Everything Thai officials have said and done since the replacement head cop was instated by Bkk, has pointed at framing the B2, and shielding people connected to the Headman. Few people, who follow this case, believe otherwise. Even most Thai officials don't believe their own contrived scenario, but they're duty-bound to back it, unless they want to be out of a job, or worse.

At the reconstruction they didn't use a hoe, they used a dust pan, are you going to claim that the police story is that they actually used a dust pan for the murder based on that?

The only people clinging to they say the hoe was used on both victims are conspiracy theorists like yourself.

"Police now believe that two weapons were used to bludgeon the Britons to death on Koh Tao’s main beach in the early hours of Sept 15."

"Officers were also understood to be searching areas of forest on the east side of the island. A police diver was seen searching an area of coast near the murder scene for a metal object thought to have been used as a second murder weapon."

"Police divers today scrapped the sea floor in their hunt for the weapon used to bludgeon Brit David Miller..."

Now do the usual thing, were you ignore that you are factually wrong and try to change the subject to something else.

There was trace of David's DNA on the Hoe.

The Roti seller said they B2 had used a bottle on Davids head.

[AleG]

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We've come to expect such flaccid reasoning from those who are shielding the Headman's people. And this item has been addressed already, but I'll repeat: If a top brass is just starting an investigation, he's not going to pulled from the job, all of a sudden, by higher ups, unless there's a compelling reason to do so. The main reason: He was barking up the wrong tree (accumulating evidence which implicated the real suspects). A secondary reason: the taxi driver who came forth claiming he was offered Bt.300k to snitch, and also claiming police beat him to comply. When the replacement showed up, all the evidence against the Headman's people was trashed, and the frame-up against the B3 was implemented. Since then, no evidence whatsoever has come forth from Thai officialdom which points to the Headman's people. AleG's assertion is as solid as a piece of tissue in a toilet bowl.

You are speculating, as usual, making things up as you go. How about you try for once to find the facts instead?

I Just sent you some Facts AleG in your PM. Cant Post it on Here.

The only relation I can find in the Bangkok Post articles in your link with what I was replying to in my post is the last article about the change of police team, in that article it clearly states that the police, at that time, were already zeroing in on the three Burmese men on the beach (two of whom now are on trial).

So, thanks, but I already knew that Boomerangutang's allegations that the course of the investigation completely changed after Panya's promotion were false.

[loonodingle]

Hannah's Inquest is adjourned.

They are having a review of the evidence (as they haven't finished compiling it) on the 6th now and will set a further date.

Courtesy of Norwich Coroners Office.

[thailandchilli]

The changing situation regards a second weapon as I have read is this:

At first the RTP stated that a club was used on David, but then that was never mentioned again. The pancake seller in a video interview said the B2 confessed to him that they used a wine bottle to kill David. That was never mentioned again.

The current state of play is that the RTP and prosecution are claiming it is a hoe that killed David.

It has been reported that the defense team are using this as an important part of their case in proving that it was not a hoe that killed David

[AleG]

At the reconstruction they didn't use a hoe, they used a dust pan, are you going to claim that the police story is that they actually used a dust pan for the murder based on that?

The only people clinging to they say the hoe was used on both victims are conspiracy theorists like yourself.

"Police now believe that two weapons were used to bludgeon the Britons to death on Koh Tao’s main beach in the early hours of Sept 15."

"Officers were also understood to be searching areas of forest on the east side of the island. A police diver was seen searching an area of coast near the murder scene for a metal object thought to have been used as a second murder weapon."

"Police divers today scrapped the sea floor in their hunt for the weapon used to bludgeon Brit David Miller..."

Now do the usual thing, were you ignore that you are factually wrong and try to change the subject to something else.

Your going back a long way there AleG and when others do that you accuse them of cherry picking.

The RTP have changed their stories many times since then and if you bothered to go to the latest article in the Telegraph dated 26th Dec rather than the one you picked dated 24th Sept then you will see the latest news and the evidence from the actual prosecutors documents in court:

"during a court hearing on Friday on the nearby island of Koh Samui, a judge ruled their trial would start on July 8. Prosecution documents seen by The Telegraph allege the two men killed both Mr Miller and Ms Witheridge with a hoe."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11313714/Koh-Tao-murders-suspects-in-killing-of-David-Miller-and-Hannah-Witheridge-say-they-were-framed.html

There are also many other reports stating that the hoe is the only weapon the prosecution is stating as the one which killed both Hannah and David.

So according to you the prosecution are now conspiracy theorists!

Well, go on then, what other sources claim the hoe was the only weapon used?

[aimbc]

Hannah's Inquest is adjourned.

They are having a review of the evidence (as they haven't finished compiling it) on the 6th now and will set a further date.

Courtesy of Norwich Coroners Office.

Wow, not such an open and shut case. Three months to compile information. Could this be in relations to the report from the observers? Maybe they are taking many things in to consideration. Or maybe trying to see if the scenario the rtp is stating can even happened.

What exactly will the inquest do for the case?

[catsanddogs]

For post #2408 above, what's source?

As for your question ("do you agree with RTP that David was killed by the hoe? yes or no?"), show me first that is the scenario the prosecution is presenting at the trial.

Why am I not surprised you can't answer the question? The prosecution and RTP, has shown in the reenactment that the hoe was used to kill David (I agree, the blunt end may have been used to smash his head), but the RTP has made no explanation of the shallow push-blade cuts to his neck and other parts of his upper body. By inference and by demonstration, the RTP (and therefore the prosecution) can't explain the blade wounds in a reasonable way. Indeed, they don't even acknowledge they're inflicted by a sharp blade.

AleG can't address it either, in any detail, because he's fixated on discounting anything which counters the official nonsense emitted by Thai officials. I'm just showing that bit of evidence as one, of dozens, of things which Thai officialdom is WRONG about. I find no glee in pointing out how wrong and inept Thai officials are. However, such things need to be showcased, in order to get closer to the truth of what happened that night - toward nailing the real murderers and rapists. Everything Thai officials have said and done since the replacement head cop was instated by Bkk, has pointed at framing the B2, and shielding people connected to the Headman. Few people, who follow this case, believe otherwise. Even most Thai officials don't believe their own contrived scenario, but they're duty-bound to back it, unless they want to be out of a job, or worse.

At the reconstruction they didn't use a hoe, they used a dust pan, are you going to claim that the police story is that they actually used a dust pan for the murder based on that?

The only people clinging to they say the hoe was used on both victims are conspiracy theorists like yourself.

"Police now believe that two weapons were used to bludgeon the Britons to death on Koh Tao’s main beach in the early hours of Sept 15."

"Officers were also understood to be searching areas of forest on the east side of the island. A police diver was seen searching an area of coast near the murder scene for a metal object thought to have been used as a second murder weapon."

"Police divers today scrapped the sea floor in their hunt for the weapon used to bludgeon Brit David Miller..."

Now do the usual thing, were you ignore that you are factually wrong and try to change the subject to something else.

There was trace of David's DNA on the Hoe.

The Roti seller said they B2 had used a bottle on Davids head.

Are you able to give a link re trace of David's blood on hoe please.

Edited January 2, 2015 by catsanddogs

[greenchair]

Except Muang says he went back at 5am not 4

So the 2 had even more time then I thought.

Hilarious. Falling on the floor.

[aimbc]

At the reconstruction they didn't use a hoe, they used a dust pan, are you going to claim that the police story is that they actually used a dust pan for the murder based on that?

The only people clinging to they say the hoe was used on both victims are conspiracy theorists like yourself.

"Police now believe that two weapons were used to bludgeon the Britons to death on Koh Tao’s main beach in the early hours of Sept 15."

"Officers were also understood to be searching areas of forest on the east side of the island. A police diver was seen searching an area of coast near the murder scene for a metal object thought to have been used as a second murder weapon."

"Police divers today scrapped the sea floor in their hunt for the weapon used to bludgeon Brit David Miller..."

Now do the usual thing, were you ignore that you are factually wrong and try to change the subject to something else.

Your going back a long way there AleG and when others do that you accuse them of cherry picking.

The RTP have changed their stories many times since then and if you bothered to go to the latest article in the Telegraph dated 26th Dec rather than the one you picked dated 24th Sept then you will see the latest news and the evidence from the actual prosecutors documents in court:

"during a court hearing on Friday on the nearby island of Koh Samui, a judge ruled their trial would start on July 8. Prosecution documents seen by The Telegraph allege the two men killed both Mr Miller and Ms Witheridge with a hoe."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11313714/Koh-Tao-murders-suspects-in-killing-of-David-Miller-and-Hannah-Witheridge-say-they-were-framed.html

There are also many other reports stating that the hoe is the only weapon the prosecution is stating as the one which killed both Hannah and David.

So according to you the prosecution are now conspiracy theorists!

Well, go on then, what other sources claim the hoe was the only weapon used?

???...why don't you have the common courtesy of either coming up with one more statement backing up your claim. If you don't, don't answer with such childish statement.