Red-shirt leader Nuttawut calls on Prayut to invoke charter to grant amnesty

[rubl]

to all the anti-democratic, junta-loving posters out there, don't get your panties in a bunch. The good 'PM' will not be offering any amnesty to 'scumbags', as some so quaintly refer to human beings, of any political color or persuasion.

Tjeez, you're as bad as Nattawut.

What about us 'quislings', 'fascists', 'yellow elite' and other junta supporting people? Don't we count

[rubl]

I will be a lot more positive when Reds state they wish to clear their names in a court of law.

If you believe you did nothing wrong, stand up and refute the evidence.

I will be a lot more positive the day the red shirts can get a fair trial in Thailand (heck, I'd settle for bail sometimes)

So you are saying that under the Yingluck administration the reds could not get a fair trial or treatment for that matter.

You are probably right in that, for the remaining ones (22) who were convicted of criminal offences from 2010 were up to recently housed in a special jail and their pleas for bail, or to be transferred to facilities closer to their families were ignored.

However now the military have taken over that special prison has been shut down and the 22 have been moved to prisons in their home districts where their families can easily visit them.

The red shirts (leaders) are on bail, Jutaporn ,Weng, Arisaman, Nuttawat himself and several others.

You should note however that bail was not provided or offered to any but the leaders.

It would seem by your comment your case hasn't come up yet, unless you come under the heading of privileged leadership you cant expect bail money from your red organization.

Tell us how many of these 'ordinary protesters' are in jail or awaiting trial that this amnesty would cover, that is the ones that have not been charged with criminal offenses.

So you are saying that under the Yingluck administration the reds could not get a fair trial or treatment for that matter.

yes.

Tell us how many of these 'ordinary protesters' are in jail or awaiting trial that this amnesty would cover, that is the ones that have not been charged with criminal offenses.

what does that have to do with anything?

btw, you make it sound like being moved from a prison restricted to political prisoners to the general prison population is a step up. It's not. That the courts demonstrate a regular bias in bail requests is not a surprise and is representative of the problems of political prisoners receiving justice in Thailand.

"what does that have to do with anything?"

If you cannot indicate who will actually be beneficiaries of a possible amnesty, some more homework should be done before asking for an amnesty again. This just to make sure the 'right' people will be covered by the amnesty and not others.

[JacChang]

How about put duct tape on his red moron.

It's always about "call" and what should be right or wrong, and how things should be done.

How about shut the eff up, and just watch Prayut do what he does better than all of the red morons.

They make it sound as if Prayut is having difficulties being a pm and they need to preach him.

[mikemac]

to all the anti-democratic, junta-loving posters out there, don't get your panties in a bunch. The good 'PM' will not be offering any amnesty to 'scumbags', as some so quaintly refer to human beings, of any political color or persuasion.

Go ask the families of the innocent people who were murdered by your heroes what they refer to them as, you might get a shock.

While you are at it, mention the fact that you spend all of your spare time defending these heroic freedom fighters and let me know how you got on.

[kaobang]

No amnesty for anyone. Apply the law to all in fairness

yeah.catch Suthep and give him the life sentence he deserves

[Skywalker69]

trust the reds to come out in favour of an amnesty, considering they were the ones that did all the killings and and blowing up of various areas its not surprising. No amnesty for anyone that broke the law fullstop, the only way to get over all this crap is to make sure those that committed offences go to jail otherwise they will simply keep doing it.

you have forgotten that the courts determined that the military killed people in the temple, have you? You have forgotten that yellow shirts have killed and bombed, haven't you.

There was enough violence to go around and it was far from one side.

No one is going to enforce justice against yellow shirts or the army.

Of course if the 'PM' declares an amnesty, I'll be one of the most surprised. He is interested in suppression, not reconciliation.

You realize it was in self defense only after the reds shot the first shots and threw the first bombs dont you?

The military was taking serious abuse before they even tried to defend themselves.

Now go to the corner and dont say anything else unless you raise your hand.

[Mudcrab]

Wow, three pages and so far 68 posts just because some moron posted something on Facebook.

[Wombat6]

No. Amnesty for all criminal snot allowed.

Else yellow will come out again.

Come out and do what, commit more crimes?

You must be a new arrival or severely brainwashed as you appear to be uninformed about the protest against the previous Government over their proposed Amnesty Bill.

[djjamie]

trust the reds to come out in favour of an amnesty, considering they were the ones that did all the killings and and blowing up of various areas its not surprising. No amnesty for anyone that broke the law fullstop, the only way to get over all this crap is to make sure those that committed offences go to jail otherwise they will simply keep doing it.

I will be a lot more positive when Reds state they wish to clear their names in a court of law.

If you believe you did nothing wrong, stand up and refute the evidence.

I will be a lot more positive the day the red shirts can get a fair trial in Thailand (heck, I'd settle for bail sometimes)

Seems a lot more cases have gone red shirts ways in the last 12 months than anyone else.

It is the ingrained propaganda that they don't get a fair trial that keeps some ignorant.

[Robby nz]

I will be a lot more positive when Reds state they wish to clear their names in a court of law.

If you believe you did nothing wrong, stand up and refute the evidence.

I will be a lot more positive the day the red shirts can get a fair trial in Thailand (heck, I'd settle for bail sometimes)

So you are saying that under the Yingluck administration the reds could not get a fair trial or treatment for that matter.

You are probably right in that, for the remaining ones (22) who were convicted of criminal offences from 2010 were up to recently housed in a special jail and their pleas for bail, or to be transferred to facilities closer to their families were ignored.

However now the military have taken over that special prison has been shut down and the 22 have been moved to prisons in their home districts where their families can easily visit them.

The red shirts (leaders) are on bail, Jutaporn ,Weng, Arisaman, Nuttawat himself and several others.

You should note however that bail was not provided or offered to any but the leaders.

It would seem by your comment your case hasn't come up yet, unless you come under the heading of privileged leadership you cant expect bail money from your red organization.

Tell us how many of these 'ordinary protesters' are in jail or awaiting trial that this amnesty would cover, that is the ones that have not been charged with criminal offenses.

So you are saying that under the Yingluck administration the reds could not get a fair trial or treatment for that matter.

yes.

Tell us how many of these 'ordinary protesters' are in jail or awaiting trial that this amnesty would cover, that is the ones that have not been charged with criminal offenses.

what does that have to do with anything?

btw, you make it sound like being moved from a prison restricted to political prisoners to the general prison population is a step up. It's not. That the courts demonstrate a regular bias in bail requests is not a surprise and is representative of the problems of political prisoners receiving justice in Thailand.

It has everything to do with this topic for as far as I know, and apparently you don't either, there are no ordinary protesters who would qualify for such an amnesty.

Those in the special prison were not political prisoners they were criminals who had attempted to use the riots as an excuse for their crime.

They were the ones who were asking to be moved to be closer to their families so to them the move is an improvement.

They also appealed to the Yingluck Govt for bail but as I said were ignored.

There was never any bail money offered for these (poor) people who it appears were considered cannon fodder and they were completely abandoned by their paymasters. Nothing to do with court bias at all.

As I noted : The red shirts (leaders) are on bail, Jutaporn ,Weng, Arisaman, Nuttawat himself and several others.

These are the ones who came out of the riots as multi millionaires and some as MP's and are the ones facing the most serious charges.

These charges were not heard because of parliamentary immunity, why are they not being brought forward now, court bias in their favor ?

[ggt]

Maybe they could consider amnesty for political prisoners during Thailand's Human Rights Day Celebration...Just a thought...

[tbthailand]

to all the anti-democratic, junta-loving posters out there, don't get your panties in a bunch. The good 'PM' will not be offering any amnesty to 'scumbags', as some so quaintly refer to human beings, of any political color or persuasion.

Go ask the families of the innocent people who were murdered by your heroes what they refer to them as, you might get a shock.

While you are at it, mention the fact that you spend all of your spare time defending these heroic freedom fighters and let me know how you got on.

don't try to get smart with me Mike. My posting about violence and innocent people being killed has been more consistent than any poster and certainly more consistent than your posting.

I condemn the violence at Big C as well as at the wat. People of yellow and red persuasion died just a few hundred meters and just a few years apart from each other. I know both places well and think about the people killed every time I go past either spot.

I might think that people like Suthep aren't so smart, are completely dishonest, and have bad intentions, but I never stooped so low as to called him scum, buffalo or other denigrating terms that are used so often by posters here as blanket insults for anyone in Thailand who might want to protect their self-governance and human rights.

Yeah, I definitely fall on the side of democracy and elections and self-governance, but when it comes to violence, there aren't sides to fall on. It's just wrong.

Got it?

[tbthailand]

I will be a lot more positive the day the red shirts can get a fair trial in Thailand (heck, I'd settle for bail sometimes)

So you are saying that under the Yingluck administration the reds could not get a fair trial or treatment for that matter.

You are probably right in that, for the remaining ones (22) who were convicted of criminal offences from 2010 were up to recently housed in a special jail and their pleas for bail, or to be transferred to facilities closer to their families were ignored.

However now the military have taken over that special prison has been shut down and the 22 have been moved to prisons in their home districts where their families can easily visit them.

The red shirts (leaders) are on bail, Jutaporn ,Weng, Arisaman, Nuttawat himself and several others.

You should note however that bail was not provided or offered to any but the leaders.

It would seem by your comment your case hasn't come up yet, unless you come under the heading of privileged leadership you cant expect bail money from your red organization.

Tell us how many of these 'ordinary protesters' are in jail or awaiting trial that this amnesty would cover, that is the ones that have not been charged with criminal offenses.

So you are saying that under the Yingluck administration the reds could not get a fair trial or treatment for that matter.

yes.

Tell us how many of these 'ordinary protesters' are in jail or awaiting trial that this amnesty would cover, that is the ones that have not been charged with criminal offenses.

what does that have to do with anything?

btw, you make it sound like being moved from a prison restricted to political prisoners to the general prison population is a step up. It's not. That the courts demonstrate a regular bias in bail requests is not a surprise and is representative of the problems of political prisoners receiving justice in Thailand.

It has everything to do with this topic for as far as I know, and apparently you don't either, there are no ordinary protesters who would qualify for such an amnesty.

Those in the special prison were not political prisoners they were criminals who had attempted to use the riots as an excuse for their crime.

They were the ones who were asking to be moved to be closer to their families so to them the move is an improvement.

They also appealed to the Yingluck Govt for bail but as I said were ignored.

There was never any bail money offered for these (poor) people who it appears were considered cannon fodder and they were completely abandoned by their paymasters. Nothing to do with court bias at all.

As I noted : The red shirts (leaders) are on bail, Jutaporn ,Weng, Arisaman, Nuttawat himself and several others.

These are the ones who came out of the riots as multi millionaires and some as MP's and are the ones facing the most serious charges.

These charges were not heard because of parliamentary immunity, why are they not being brought forward now, court bias in their favor ?

so just rewrite the extremely brief OP ... go ahead.

you don't make any sense at all.

As for bail, that is not appealed to the government, but to the courts. The YL government did not have the ability to give bail. Again, you just rewrite history. The courts denied bail.

[tbthailand]

trust the reds to come out in favour of an amnesty, considering they were the ones that did all the killings and and blowing up of various areas its not surprising. No amnesty for anyone that broke the law fullstop, the only way to get over all this crap is to make sure those that committed offences go to jail otherwise they will simply keep doing it.

I will be a lot more positive when Reds state they wish to clear their names in a court of law.

If you believe you did nothing wrong, stand up and refute the evidence.

I will be a lot more positive the day the red shirts can get a fair trial in Thailand (heck, I'd settle for bail sometimes)

Seems a lot more cases have gone red shirts ways in the last 12 months than anyone else.

It is the ingrained propaganda that they don't get a fair trial that keeps some ignorant.

really?

Please, do elaborate on the cases which have gone the red shirts' way.

[rubl]

I will be a lot more positive the day the red shirts can get a fair trial in Thailand (heck, I'd settle for bail sometimes)

Seems a lot more cases have gone red shirts ways in the last 12 months than anyone else.

It is the ingrained propaganda that they don't get a fair trial that keeps some ignorant.

really?

Please, do elaborate on the cases which have gone the red shirts' way.

Actually since we're unto consistence about violence and innocent people, it would be better to talk about cases where justice has prevailed. Those are the cases where people got a fair trial.

Now of course if you ask about which cases gone the red shirt's way, you should first quantify your remark on suggesting the red-shirts don't get a fair trial in Thailand.

[tbthailand]

I will be a lot more positive the day the red shirts can get a fair trial in Thailand (heck, I'd settle for bail sometimes)

Seems a lot more cases have gone red shirts ways in the last 12 months than anyone else.

It is the ingrained propaganda that they don't get a fair trial that keeps some ignorant.

really?

Please, do elaborate on the cases which have gone the red shirts' way.

Actually since we're unto consistence about violence and innocent people, it would be better to talk about cases where justice has prevailed. Those are the cases where people got a fair trial.

Now of course if you ask about which cases gone the red shirt's way, you should first quantify your remark on suggesting the red-shirts don't get a fair trial in Thailand.

ah, our junta cheerleader is back.

I'll let heybruce post the usual references to double-standard justice in Thailand as it relates to the red/yellow divide. You've seen them before which means your post is just trolling.

here ya go...

[rubl]

really?

Please, do elaborate on the cases which have gone the red shirts' way.

Actually since we're unto consistence about violence and innocent people, it would be better to talk about cases where justice has prevailed. Those are the cases where people got a fair trial.

Now of course if you ask about which cases gone the red shirt's way, you should first quantify your remark on suggesting the red-shirts don't get a fair trial in Thailand.

ah, our junta cheerleader is back.

I'll let heybruce post the usual references to double-standard justice in Thailand as it relates to the red/yellow divide. You've seen them before which means your post is just trolling.

here ya go...

So, you just come with unfounded statements and call your friend Brucy to help you out on it?

Now who's trolling?

Anyway, do you already have info on who would actually benefit from the amnesty suggested by dear former Pheu Thai party list MP, Yingluck cabinet Dept. Minister and UDD co-leader spokesperson Nattawut?

[tbthailand]

really?

Please, do elaborate on the cases which have gone the red shirts' way.

Actually since we're unto consistence about violence and innocent people, it would be better to talk about cases where justice has prevailed. Those are the cases where people got a fair trial.

Now of course if you ask about which cases gone the red shirt's way, you should first quantify your remark on suggesting the red-shirts don't get a fair trial in Thailand.

ah, our junta cheerleader is back.

I'll let heybruce post the usual references to double-standard justice in Thailand as it relates to the red/yellow divide. You've seen them before which means your post is just trolling.

here ya go...

So, you just come with unfounded statements and call your friend Brucy to help you out on it?

Now who's trolling?

Anyway, do you already have info on who would actually benefit from the amnesty suggested by dear former Pheu Thai party list MP, Yingluck cabinet Dept. Minister and UDD co-leader spokesperson Nattawut?

really, you are as obtuse as they come.

you have certainly already seen posts regarding unbalanced bail, detention times, trial results, etc. so yes you are trolling as hard as you can with your fake, I-dont-understand-can-you-please-explain-post. And yes, i'll fall back on bruce because he seems to be the only poster with enough patience to humor you.

adios and good night - sleep tight.

[djjamie]

I will be a lot more positive the day the red shirts can get a fair trial in Thailand (heck, I'd settle for bail sometimes)

Seems a lot more cases have gone red shirts ways in the last 12 months than anyone else.

It is the ingrained propaganda that they don't get a fair trial that keeps some ignorant.

really?

Please, do elaborate on the cases which have gone the red shirts' way.

Actually since we're unto consistence about violence and innocent people, it would be better to talk about cases where justice has prevailed. Those are the cases where people got a fair trial.

Now of course if you ask about which cases gone the red shirt's way, you should first quantify your remark on suggesting the red-shirts don't get a fair trial in Thailand.

Yep…Put the burden of proof on the apologist.

Every few weeks we see a red exonerated, or bailed. I don't agree with it, but I respect the law. Respect for the law is one principle of democracy as is elections.

You know how many democratic supporters protested or threatened the judges or released judges addresses or threaten to kidnap judges or threw sh*t at court houses or burn effigies of judges when the result does not go their way?

None.

That is why I support the Junta. Because I would rather a junta that disrespect 1 principle of democracy so they can restore all 15 principles of democracy as opposed to an elected government that abuse the other 14 principles of democracy.

[jaidam]

Hard to believe that it has still not been reported, Nutthawut the ex transport minister that was rewarded in amulets and artifacts for his dark "services" link to the oil smuggling gang - stealing in the name of - that had amassed several museums worth of amulets and artifacts. Or, maybe he didn't know about it? LOL

This will be the reason for his recent panic and resultant spate of verbal diarrhea.

[tgeezer]

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There will be no hope for an amnesty approval from this military junta, it's not inline for their quest to snuff out the last remnants of democracy. Instead we will see kangaroo type court cases trying their best imprison anyone they see as a threat. Nat is a freedom fighter with the vast majority of the population behind him, I wish him the best of luck.

What rubbish.

Ditto.

[billd766]

No amnesty for anyone. Apply the law to all in fairness

yeah.catch Suthep and give him the life sentence he deserves

For what? On what charges or grounds are you talking about?