Government wants lese majeste offenders to be sent home to face justice

[Just1Voice]

My opinion of his comments:

[Thai at Heart]

He is slowly losing the plot

[tbthailand]

Do countries extradite for offenses that are not against the law in that country?

no.

The 'NCPO' tried to get the UK to extradite Rose earlier this year.

No chance.

Maybe someone should tell him.

he knows.

it's posturing for others.

well, ok, there remains a very good chance that he's dead serious about it. It's not a new character flaw for the 'PM'. He's been a rabid LM chaser for a while.

That could qualify him as an idi... ah, never mind.

[tbthailand]

truth is subversive....

and a threat to national security...

next on the plan is label them as terrorists.

that would follow their typical MO, wouldn't it...

[JAG]

I guess some countries in the West are getting to be more supportive if the "tend to spread rumours in the social media in a way which cause disunity in the country" can be formulated more forceful. The NSA is just looking for such people and the GCHQ isn't only interested in paedophiles.

I would suggest that social media posts which may breach Thai Lese Majeste laws are a very very long way down the list of things which interest NSA or GCHQ, if they feature on it at all!

[JAG]

Let's try to create a Thai Mossad and to execute the guilty guys in the western countries. I'd like to see that.

careful what you wish for mate!

mind you this push would f#ck it up.

[Schmackos]

I don't follow Politics much.

But I do know that the Army has taken control

Talking with Thai friends, they generally comment that the General is doing a good job.

But this does not seem to be 'low hanging' fruit, not a priority policy.

Edited December 16, 2014 by Schmackos

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

He is slowly losing the plot

Slowly?

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

And this place used to be called land of the free!!!

[chooka]

truth is subversive....

and a threat to national security...

next on the plan is label them as terrorists.

that would follow their typical MO, wouldn't it...

But dear leader has said in another thread that there is no terror links to Thailand. Calling them terrorists would mean he is wroòoooooooong.

[toonsai]

In simple terms, there is no other country in the World with such Lese Majeste laws. Only in Thailand.

These kind of laws are from past centuries. At some point, the people are tired about the over privileged, the abuses and ask for the power to be back to the People. This is called a Revolution.

[gk10002000]

My opinion of Les mageste not withstanding, the problem I have with things like this is the presumption of guilt for this or other allegations. The Thai legal system, especially when under a coup, and martial law, and a suspended constitution is highly suspect

[useronthenet]

Doubt that will ever happen as freedom of speech particularily in Europe, prevails as a corner-stone of democracy.

[ExPratt]

He's just given all of them a legitimate claim for asylum

[ffaarraanngg]

What a backward kind of people the Thai military are.

If they had any intelligence or conscience (which the cover up of the murder of the 2 Brits for their friends family shows the haven't), they'd get rid of this archaic law.

[thesetat2013]

Let's try to create a Thai Mossad and to execute the guilty guys in the western countries. I'd like to see that.

I believe i read about such a group in China attacking and harrassing lese majeste violators. Not exactly like Mossad but close

[webfact]

Prayut promises fair trial for people who break security laws
The Nation


Prime Minister General Prayut Chan-o-cha holds a press conference after the meeting between the National Council for Peace and Order and the Cabinet at Government House yesterday.

BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister General Prayut Chan-o-cha, who also oversees the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO), has instructed relevant security agencies to use appropriate channels to prosecute people who violate the security law, junta spokesman Colonel Winthai Suvari said yesterday.

Winthai said that after a meeting between the Cabinet and the NCPO, Prayut said violators of security laws, living both in Thailand and overseas, would be given a fair chance to prove their innocence and fight through the judicial process.

The prime minister acknowledged also that not many people understand the situation and that an appropriate channel is necessary to ensure there are no negative feelings, especially among university students.

Prayut has instructed state agencies engaged in procurement and construction projects to ensure there is no bribery and corruption so the public can have trust in the government's work.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Prayut-promises-fair-trial-for-people-who-break-se-30250020.html


-- The Nation 2014-12-17

[thesetat2013]

Prayuth needs to understand that someone, anyone, even Thai people who live outside Thailand stop saying mai pan rai and start having opinions and speaking their minds.

No country will allow extradition for this basic human right to freedom of expression and as long as they are outside of Thailand they can do or say anything without fear of Thai repercussions.

The fact that it leads to dissention in Thailand should show Prayuth that more Thais inside Thailand are perhaps thinking the same thing and that there is a root to this here.

[Bluespunk]

I have always found that mercy bears richer fruits than strict justice.

Abraham Lincoln

[ExPratt]

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Let's try to create a Thai Mossad and to execute the guilty guys in the western countries. I'd like to see that.

I believe i read about such a group in China attacking and harrassing lese majeste violators. Not exactly like Mossad but close

Tossad perhaps ?

[NongKhaiKid]

Shortsightedness born of insecurity over his and his so called govt's position.

The PM, like others before him, doesn't seem in the least bit concerned about fugitives who have fled the country to avoid VERY serious criminal charges.

The ability to leg it to avoid justice will continue to exist as long as authorities get cheap publicity by telegraphing their intended moves in any investigation coupled with the suspicion that in some cases the ' publicity ' is a deliberate nod to suspects to take an overseas trip.

[ExPratt]

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Prayut promises fair trial for people who break security laws
The Nation


Prime Minister General Prayut Chan-o-cha holds a press conference after the meeting between the National Council for Peace and Order and the Cabinet at Government House yesterday.

BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister General Prayut Chan-o-cha, who also oversees the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO), has instructed relevant security agencies to use appropriate channels to prosecute people who violate the security law, junta spokesman Colonel Winthai Suvari said yesterday.

Winthai said that after a meeting between the Cabinet and the NCPO, Prayut said violators of security laws, living both in Thailand and overseas, would be given a fair chance to prove their innocence and fight through the judicial process.

The prime minister acknowledged also that not many people understand the situation and that an appropriate channel is necessary to ensure there are no negative feelings, especially among university students.

Prayut has instructed state agencies engaged in procurement and construction projects to ensure there is no bribery and corruption so the public can have trust in the government's work.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Prayut-promises-fair-trial-for-people-who-break-se-30250020.html


-- The Nation 2014-12-17

I notice he was wearing some very neutral colours for the announcement

[cooked]

Things are going down hill I'm afraid even though this won't affect my life out here in Isaan. I am becoming worried about what is going on, I was a supporter of the guy

I have pointed out numerous times the disproportionate amount of posters who supported the coup being retirees in Issan. The thinking being their pension still rolls in once a month so little risk for them, and the opposite of what the locals believe must match them as they are so different than them.

Good to see at least one finally waking up to what this is all about. We really are down tom a hardcore of about 5 trolls who still support this dire situation

Nice condescending reply there, not quite an insult but almost. Have you forgotten what things were like before 22 May? The country was becoming an anarchy. That's why many of us supported the coup and directly or indirectly, its leader. And what's this about a hard core of 5 people still holding out? There are certainly more than that. I am still reserving judgement, I don't judge the Prime Minister on the actions of some of his former subordinates. Myself I haven't written anything about the coup for a long time. You are also mistaken in thinking that retirees have nothing to worry about, visa regulations are getting more complicated all the time, and remarks about Farangs on the political scene are not exactly encouraging.

[Qent]

He cited the case of Mr Somsak Jiemjirasakul

Red Shirt Somsak (in the middle between Red Shirt Leaders Jatuporn and Thida) is still at it?

[selftaopath]

Democracy.... as most democratic societies believe - will NEVER find it's way to Thailand. NEVER.

[baboon]

Things are going down hill I'm afraid even though this won't affect my life out here in Isaan. I am becoming worried about what is going on, I was a supporter of the guy

I have pointed out numerous times the disproportionate amount of posters who supported the coup being retirees in Issan. The thinking being their pension still rolls in once a month so little risk for them, and the opposite of what the locals believe must match them as they are so different than them.

Good to see at least one finally waking up to what this is all about. We really are down tom a hardcore of about 5 trolls who still support this dire situation

Nice condescending reply there, not quite an insult but almost. Have you forgotten what things were like before 22 May? The country was becoming an anarchy.

No it was not. Not even close. There was food in the shops, the water and electricity supplies were not cut off. Schools and hospitals for the most part functioned as normal. The Baht did not plummet. There was no exodus of terrified people to neighbouring countries using the public transport that was still running... In short, it was pretty much businesses as usual for the apparatus of society.

The 'crisis' was a manufactured one in a few areas to justify the not a coup.

[Thian]

The last thing you do when arriving for the first time in a foreign country is talk disrespectful of their monarchy, government, religion, it's common sense. Everyone knows, relax.

Some years ago a Swiss man painted a moustache on the portrait of the Thai King on a street in Chiang Mai. He was angry that there was no alcohol for sale at the Kings birthday. He got arrested and kicked out of Thailand as persona non grata. He owned a condo as well.

So lese majeste is the most extreme form of offending the King and i can understand the fact the Thai want to have them prosecuted whereever they are hiding now.

Lese majeste is a very serious crime in Thailand so i can totally understand it if they want to have them sent back to Thailand for prosecution.

[jayboy]

The last thing you do when arriving for the first time in a foreign country is talk disrespectful of their monarchy, government, religion, it's common sense. Everyone knows, relax.

Some years ago a Swiss man painted a moustache on the portrait of the Thai King on a street in Chiang Mai. He was angry that there was no alcohol for sale at the Kings birthday. He got arrested and kicked out of Thailand as persona non grata. He owned a condo as well.

So lese majeste is the most extreme form of offending the King and i can understand the fact the Thai want to have them prosecuted whereever they are hiding now.

Lese majeste is a very serious crime in Thailand so i can totally understand it if they want to have them sent back to Thailand for prosecution.

It maybe a crime in Thailand but it's not a crime or even an offence anywhere else.So what ever you might "understand" - which doesn't seem very much - the chance of any Thai being extradited for LM offences is zero.

Indeed, even in the hypothetical case of a request being made, that quite apart for other reasons (see above) would in itself guarantee non extradition because of its political nature.

It's worth saying however that in the event of a Thai national overseas having committed a serious offence against the highest institution (let's say involving major theft) there are plenty of laws on the Thai statute book which can be invoked.These would mirror those in the foreign country concerned, and thus extradition could be pursued.It seems to me that in invoking LM the practical effect is to guarantee non-extradition.

[yellowboat]

PM, there are more urgent and important issues for you to devote your attention.

I have faith in you, please don't let me down.

You are right and your tollerance may be a little misplaced. Your country created the modern age. What you are seeing is frightened govnernment holding on to a system that does not work . It is now making outlandish requests with regards to extradition. This combined with Junta's propaganda radio programs are very worrisome.

[retarius]

Actually all he needs to do is to label the offenders as terrorists and then he will get his way.