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God Mikemac, I took you for a smarter one. Read through my posts. Where did I defend her and stop deflecting. The current administration is as corrupt if not worse than the previous one. I hate to think any westerner that have enjoyed the freedom and privilegies of democracy would support autocracy.

What evidence is there that the current administration is worse than the previous one?

No, it's as usual a deflection and misinterpretation of my post. Either answer the question of my original post or move forward. If you wisely decide to answer my question, I will give you my response whybother.

Above is the first post that I asked the question of you. There is no question from you in that post. Only later did you ask questions about things that I never stated in the first place. And I have responded to those questions already.

"I have never said this administration deserves a medal. Just as I have never said the current administration did anything to top the previous administration. I also never said the previous administration is the worst to date."

So, to assist me, please tell me what question I should answer.

Didn't I give my answer a page or two ago? I said not much, but does not justify the coup nor does it make the acting PM a smarter person. Even his advisors have problems with finding the right words. You don't have to like the elected and more than one can count do the elected screw the voters over without any remorse and that's why we have elections. To weed out those we don't want in power.

What is stated in the democratic constitution never becomes a political reality but the rules are there for a reason or next time we might just let the UDD do the next coup, because if one is allowed why isn't the other part allowed the same kind of tactics?

Your side has adopted the fallable logic that the end justifies the means. But there the coin has two sides and once you flip that coin and it makes to the ground there is a fifty fifty percent chance it will show either heads or tails, not always the side you want it to show.

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Didn't I give my answer a page or two ago? I said not much, but does not justify the coup nor does it make the acting PM a smarter person. Even his advisors have problems with finding the right words. You don't have to like the elected and more than one can count do the elected screw the voters over without any remorse and that's why we have elections. To weed out those we don't want in power.

What is stated in the democratic constitution never becomes a political reality but the rules are there for a reason or next time we might just let the UDD do the next coup, because if one is allowed why isn't the other part allowed the same kind of tactics?

Your side has adopted the fallable logic that the end justifies the means. But there the coin has two sides and once you flip that coin and it makes to the ground there is a fifty fifty percent chance it will show either heads or tails, not always the side you want it to show.

Your statement was "The current administration is as corrupt if not worse than the previous one."

And the question was "What evidence is there that the current administration is worse than the previous one?"

Can you please help me and point out where you answered that question?

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Didn't I give my answer a page or two ago? I said not much, but does not justify the coup nor does it make the acting PM a smarter person. Even his advisors have problems with finding the right words. You don't have to like the elected and more than one can count do the elected screw the voters over without any remorse and that's why we have elections. To weed out those we don't want in power.

What is stated in the democratic constitution never becomes a political reality but the rules are there for a reason or next time we might just let the UDD do the next coup, because if one is allowed why isn't the other part allowed the same kind of tactics?

Your side has adopted the fallable logic that the end justifies the means. But there the coin has two sides and once you flip that coin and it makes to the ground there is a fifty fifty percent chance it will show either heads or tails, not always the side you want it to show.

Your statement was "The current administration is as corrupt if not worse than the previous one."

And the question was "What evidence is there that the current administration is worse than the previous one?"

Can you please help me and point out where you answered that question?

Illegitimately seized power, invoked hard-line censor rules, in one swift move tanked the economy which is declining by the minute.

Dubious connections to the PRDC (and Koh Tao if one can read between the lines)

Putting words in the mouths of foreign state heads.

Creating a xenophobic society which basically lives on foreign investment and tourism.

He and his kin is basically sinking the country into a pit it will never get out of.

Want more?

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This discussion is going on only because Thailand is under military rule.

If it was left to the people to decide there would be no question that Yingluk would be re-elected tomorrow so any persecution of her is clearly not what they want.

If she is hung drawn and quatered the electorate will never forget and the split in Thai society will be further cemented. This is why those that think they are in charge right now must come to some compromise which I hope they eventually will.

The army doesn't have a clue how to run the country and they are making things worse by the day. The longer free speach and elections are postponed the more the damage done and the harder it will be to repair.

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Leekpai's legacy has moved on to Suthep who continued in the same tradition long before Yingluck came into the picture. No complaints there but that wouldn't fit the Anti-Thaksin thumping brigade's M.O now would it?

Obviously you don't want to discuss the topic which is "people behind rice scheme will be sued for losses".

He doesn't want to back up his statements with evidence either.

Seems consistent with every other Shinawatra acolyte in this thread

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This discussion is going on only because Thailand is under military rule.
If it was left to the people to decide there would be no question that Yingluk would be re-elected tomorrow so any persecution of her is clearly not what they want.
If she is hung drawn and quatered the electorate will never forget and the split in Thai society will be further cemented. This is why those that think they are in charge right now must come to some compromise which I hope they eventually will.
The army doesn't have a clue how to run the country and they are making things worse by the day. The longer free speach and elections are postponed the more the damage done and the harder it will be to repair.

So what you're suggesting is that guilt or innocence should be decided by popularity?

"She would be re-elected tomorrow, therefore she must be innocent."

Absolutely, You got it in one

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Leekpai's legacy has moved on to Suthep who continued in the same tradition long before Yingluck came into the picture. No complaints there but that wouldn't fit the Anti-Thaksin thumping brigade's M.O now would it?

Obviously you don't want to discuss the topic which is "people behind rice scheme will be sued for losses".

He doesn't want to back up his statements with evidence either.
Seems consistent with every other Shinawatra acolyte in this thread

Another sheep joins the herd. This one even learned a few new words. :)

Posted
This discussion is going on only because Thailand is under military rule.
If it was left to the people to decide there would be no question that Yingluk would be re-elected tomorrow so any persecution of her is clearly not what they want.
If she is hung drawn and quatered the electorate will never forget and the split in Thai society will be further cemented. This is why those that think they are in charge right now must come to some compromise which I hope they eventually will.
The army doesn't have a clue how to run the country and they are making things worse by the day. The longer free speach and elections are postponed the more the damage done and the harder it will be to repair.

Oh my, and here I was thinking that under the dictatorial suppression of the truth and 'freedom of speech' these discussions weren't possible.

BTW I really wonder who those 'the people' are ? Would that be all those farmers who had to wait six or more months before getting their money as Ms. Yingluck seemed to have been a wee bit economical with the truth mid-2013 stating the financing was arranged and no problem (or were those one or two hundred billion just mislaid, to be found soon)?

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Don't worry Prayuth China will bail us out. They care about Thailand especially the rice. Who else can feed their one billion patriots and 2 million strong army. Thanks also for the Chinese dam projects in the upper mekong.

Posted (edited)

Please, please dear former general and current PM, please issue an arrest warrant or whatever FACE-saving way of "I don't give a damn", and you can continue your operation "Brainwashing the nation's kids"....

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What new question?

I have asked the same question all along.

You said "The current government is more corrupt than the previous one".

I have continued to ask the same question. Where is the evidence to back up that statement?

Nice spinning I asked first. And don't copy and paste rametindallas' mantra. Tell me with your own words.

Again, what has this administration done to deserve a medal?

Actually, I asked you first. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/785527-people-behind-rice-scheme-will-be-sued-to-cover-losses-prayut-says/?p=8829854

I have never said this administration deserves a medal. Just as I have never said the current administration did anything to top the previous administration (your first question to me after I asked you to back up your statement). I also never said the previous administration is the worst to date (your second question to me).

You keep asking me to prove things that I have never said. You keep avoiding showing anything to prove what you've said.

But fine, if you can't give any evidence that this administration is more corrupt than the previous one, I'll just have to take it that they're not.

No, you keep hi-jacking the posts as that question wasn't directed at you but at ramet. Once he bugged out, the pro-coup supporters started to surface and circle the thread.

You can spin it all you want and if you don't want to answer that question, you don't have to. But I will take one question at a time because if I get into this with you, you will pull your usual spin on this and ask what Thaksin has done better when I'm not remotely interested in that topic nor was it aimed at that topic either.

I didn't bug out. I felt you were non-responsive so I gave up after giving a well-thought-out answer (#84) and have you respond with some incoherent rant that was not addressing any of my or even your own posts (#85). You sure are wound up over this thread. I hope this is the whiskey talking and not who you are day to day.

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So Sansiri are now renting out shedscheesy.gif The meeting with Yingluck and a high level person in Sansiri now means that. I thought she was a brainless drone?

You do know the biggest landowners in the country are and who they support?

Govt officials meet private sector people everyday of the week. Can i deduct that Prayuth's meeting with the head of a Chinese industrial company on Saturday means he is having an affair and renting out all the land in Bangkok? Stop being ridiculous. Or Prayuth selling his land to who he did?

Yes it goes on, of course it does, there are many sticks to beat YS, but that is a pretty silly one.

The meeting wasn't just with one person. There were 4 or 5 people there. All land developers. And what does the biggest land owner have to do with anything. There is a lot of land that they don't own.

Government people meet private sector people, but they don't try and keep the meeting a secret. Prayuth didn't deny he had a meeting, then say it was a private meeting and then say it was a government meeting but not tell who was there. That's what Yingluck did. There is still no official account of what happened at that meeting.

Maybe it didn't have anything to do with the rice storage, but with the secrecy of the meeting, it looks suspicious anyway.

So now there were 4-5 other land developers there? I thought all the malicious rumors on here and in the news were that she was having a romantic liaison with one person?

Out of interest who were the other 4-5 people?

Next time i want to have a secret meeting, i will bare it mind, that the premium place to do it, where you most definitely wont be spotted is in a high profile 5 star hotel frequented by many connected people. Come on....

Posted

Can't you guys just call a truce?

They are ALL at it with their populist subsidy schemes. Diesel under Thaksin, train travel under Abhisit, rice under Yingluck, and most recently rubber under Prayuth.

Rice comes mainly from the north east, rubber from the south. Easy to see where the loyalties lie.

Pathetic all of them, these people who claim to know better.

Populist Subsidy schemes, but why do you list the Yingluck RPPS amongst them?

The RPPS was presented as a 'self-financing' scheme which didn't need to be budgeted as a debit in the National Budget. A 'revolving funds' to make payments and store back from sales would suffice.

BTW most rice comes from the Central Plains I think. Most rubber still from Down South, but NorthEast has a larger areal planted with rubber trees by now.

BTW most rice comes from the Central Plains I think. Most rubber still from Down South, but NorthEast has a larger areal planted with rubber trees by now.

Interesting - do you have a source of this information? I always thought that the North East was rather too arid for rubber production, with rubber trees needing a higher rainfall of more than 1200 mm per year. I haven't seen any rubber plantations in the Isan - most I have seen are down south.

Posted
This discussion is going on only because Thailand is under military rule.
If it was left to the people to decide there would be no question that Yingluk would be re-elected tomorrow so any persecution of her is clearly not what they want.
If she is hung drawn and quatered the electorate will never forget and the split in Thai society will be further cemented. This is why those that think they are in charge right now must come to some compromise which I hope they eventually will.
The army doesn't have a clue how to run the country and they are making things worse by the day. The longer free speach and elections are postponed the more the damage done and the harder it will be to repair.

So what you're suggesting is that guilt or innocence should be decided by popularity?

"She would be re-elected tomorrow, therefore she must be innocent."

Absolutely, You got it in one

So if she wasn't re-elected, she must be guilty. Is that correct?

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Quote: "The prime minister said that of the 17 million tonnes of rice remaining when the post-coup administration started, only 2.35 million were up to standard. About 700,000 tonnes was in a bad condition while the remainder was of poor quality."

So, who in their right minds is going to buy the 700.000 tonnes in "Bad condition" and the remaining 14,643,000 tonnes?

Bez-At-Wembley-020.jpg

Posted

Can't you guys just call a truce?

They are ALL at it with their populist subsidy schemes. Diesel under Thaksin, train travel under Abhisit, rice under Yingluck, and most recently rubber under Prayuth.

Rice comes mainly from the north east, rubber from the south. Easy to see where the loyalties lie.

Pathetic all of them, these people who claim to know better.

Populist Subsidy schemes, but why do you list the Yingluck RPPS amongst them?

The RPPS was presented as a 'self-financing' scheme which didn't need to be budgeted as a debit in the National Budget. A 'revolving funds' to make payments and store back from sales would suffice.

BTW most rice comes from the Central Plains I think. Most rubber still from Down South, but NorthEast has a larger areal planted with rubber trees by now.

BTW most rice comes from the Central Plains I think. Most rubber still from Down South, but NorthEast has a larger areal planted with rubber trees by now.

Interesting - do you have a source of this information? I always thought that the North East was rather too arid for rubber production, with rubber trees needing a higher rainfall of more than 1200 mm per year. I haven't seen any rubber plantations in the Isan - most I have seen are down south.

Nongkhai and the surrounding areas running along the Mehkhong are now covered in rubber as far south as Udon.

The yields are good. The plantations in the south are getting old and they have terrorists.

There are at least 3 if not 4 new processing plants around Udon and one in Nongkhai. The companies don't care where it comes from, but if the choice is to get killed cutting rubber or move to Isaan, what would u like.

Isaan will supplant the south as the biggest area on natural attrition. Rayong also has rubber production

Posted

So Sansiri are now renting out shedscheesy.gif The meeting with Yingluck and a high level person in Sansiri now means that. I thought she was a brainless drone?

You do know the biggest landowners in the country are and who they support?

Govt officials meet private sector people everyday of the week. Can i deduct that Prayuth's meeting with the head of a Chinese industrial company on Saturday means he is having an affair and renting out all the land in Bangkok? Stop being ridiculous. Or Prayuth selling his land to who he did?

Yes it goes on, of course it does, there are many sticks to beat YS, but that is a pretty silly one.

The meeting wasn't just with one person. There were 4 or 5 people there. All land developers. And what does the biggest land owner have to do with anything. There is a lot of land that they don't own.

Government people meet private sector people, but they don't try and keep the meeting a secret. Prayuth didn't deny he had a meeting, then say it was a private meeting and then say it was a government meeting but not tell who was there. That's what Yingluck did. There is still no official account of what happened at that meeting.

Maybe it didn't have anything to do with the rice storage, but with the secrecy of the meeting, it looks suspicious anyway.

So now there were 4-5 other land developers there? I thought all the malicious rumors on here and in the news were that she was having a romantic liaison with one person?

Out of interest who were the other 4-5 people?

Next time i want to have a secret meeting, i will bare it mind, that the premium place to do it, where you most definitely wont be spotted is in a high profile 5 star hotel frequented by many connected people. Come on....

Good thinking Then you won't have to get your security to bash any observers likely to comment.

BTW the malicious rumour was a red herring, to divert attention from the more serious accusations which eventually emerged.

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You are sitting here speculating/rumoring that she was discussing rice sheds with a land developer, and in the same breath saying i should not believe all the rumors on TVF!

It seems it was far more than the TVF who were rumor mongering.

If she is having a private meeting, why does she have to disclose who she met? Was she in an actual meeting?

Anyway its irrelavant so lets drop it, we are going nowhere with this discussion.wai2.gif I will notch it up as a winthumbsup.gif

As I said above: "Maybe it didn't have anything to do with the rice storage, but with the secrecy of the meeting, it looks suspicious anyway."

She was PM. It would be a huge conflict of interest to have private meetings with land developers, particularly with some of the decisions being made around the time, including housing policies and rice policies. And she skipped a parliamentary meeting to attend the Four Seasons meeting. If it was a government meeting, why all the secrecy?

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Can't you guys just call a truce?

They are ALL at it with their populist subsidy schemes. Diesel under Thaksin, train travel under Abhisit, rice under Yingluck, and most recently rubber under Prayuth.

Rice comes mainly from the north east, rubber from the south. Easy to see where the loyalties lie.

Pathetic all of them, these people who claim to know better.

Populist Subsidy schemes, but why do you list the Yingluck RPPS amongst them?

The RPPS was presented as a 'self-financing' scheme which didn't need to be budgeted as a debit in the National Budget. A 'revolving funds' to make payments and store back from sales would suffice.

BTW most rice comes from the Central Plains I think. Most rubber still from Down South, but NorthEast has a larger areal planted with rubber trees by now.

BTW most rice comes from the Central Plains I think. Most rubber still from Down South, but NorthEast has a larger areal planted with rubber trees by now.

Interesting - do you have a source of this information? I always thought that the North East was rather too arid for rubber production, with rubber trees needing a higher rainfall of more than 1200 mm per year. I haven't seen any rubber plantations in the Isan - most I have seen are down south.

I was wrong. Checking here http://www.thainr.com/en/index.php?detail=stat-thai there is a PDF on

" Tapping Area Production Production/Rai Year 2012-2014 (Year 2014 Q3-Forecast, September 2014)"

http://www.thainr.com/uploadfile/20141024112319.pdf

In size NorthEast about a quarter of South, in Production/Area also about a quarter less productive.

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No, you keep hi-jacking the posts as that question wasn't directed at you but at ramet. Once he bugged out, the pro-coup supporters started to surface and circle the thread.

You can spin it all you want and if you don't want to answer that question, you don't have to. But I will take one question at a time because if I get into this with you, you will pull your usual spin on this and ask what Thaksin has done better when I'm not remotely interested in that topic nor was it aimed at that topic either.

You made a statement. I asked you to back it up with evidence. If you don't want other posters to comment on your posts, maybe you should use PMs instead.

I am not spinning anything. Since I didn't compare this government to previous governments I don't need to back anything up.

And you go and deflect again! Where did I ask you what Thaksin had done better?

It seems you will take one question at a time and keep avoiding it.

If you can't back up a statement, maybe you shouldn't say it.

This coming from one who hasn't backed up a single one of his statements when asked to do so. Nice deflection, I take it you can't answer the question then

What statement have I made? Link to where I have made a statement and I will back it up.

Here's a statement. Anyone who sides with the PT in the rice scam is someone who has reached into his skull and twisted his brain into the shape of a pretzel and then repeatedly stabbed it with a fork. To back it up I can use any post of maxme. biggrin.png

Oh is that right? Good luck on that little master. smile.png

I don't need luck I just need you to keep on posting. cheesy.gif

Whatever you say son smile.png

No in fact it just the opposite, its about what YOU say. cheesy.gif

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Can't you guys just call a truce?

They are ALL at it with their populist subsidy schemes. Diesel under Thaksin, train travel under Abhisit, rice under Yingluck, and most recently rubber under Prayuth.

Rice comes mainly from the north east, rubber from the south. Easy to see where the loyalties lie.

Pathetic all of them, these people who claim to know better.

Populist Subsidy schemes, but why do you list the Yingluck RPPS amongst them?

The RPPS was presented as a 'self-financing' scheme which didn't need to be budgeted as a debit in the National Budget. A 'revolving funds' to make payments and store back from sales would suffice.

BTW most rice comes from the Central Plains I think. Most rubber still from Down South, but NorthEast has a larger areal planted with rubber trees by now.

BTW most rice comes from the Central Plains I think. Most rubber still from Down South, but NorthEast has a larger areal planted with rubber trees by now.

Interesting - do you have a source of this information? I always thought that the North East was rather too arid for rubber production, with rubber trees needing a higher rainfall of more than 1200 mm per year. I haven't seen any rubber plantations in the Isan - most I have seen are down south.

Nongkhai and the surrounding areas running along the Mehkhong are now covered in rubber as far south as Udon.

The yields are good. The plantations in the south are getting old and they have terrorists.

There are at least 3 if not 4 new processing plants around Udon and one in Nongkhai. The companies don't care where it comes from, but if the choice is to get killed cutting rubber or move to Isaan, what would u like.

Isaan will supplant the south as the biggest area on natural attrition. Rayong also has rubber production

Thanks for that - interesting. Never having seen any rubber plantations on visits to the Isan, I always thought it was because the Isan was too dry, but stand corrected.

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I don't think this country has enough courts rooms and jail cells to contain all those that are involve

in the rice rackets... thousand of people are involved, from the lowly farmers to the highest

government officials...

add: AND The Highest Elected Members of the previous government for those TVF posters (poseurs) who find it necessary to remind us every time the previous government is mentioned, ..............that they were "honestly & freely elected in internationally accredited, honest and legitimate elections, by a huge majority."

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No, you keep hi-jacking the posts as that question wasn't directed at you but at ramet. Once he bugged out, the pro-coup supporters started to surface and circle the thread.

You can spin it all you want and if you don't want to answer that question, you don't have to. But I will take one question at a time because if I get into this with you, you will pull your usual spin on this and ask what Thaksin has done better when I'm not remotely interested in that topic nor was it aimed at that topic either.

You made a statement. I asked you to back it up with evidence. If you don't want other posters to comment on your posts, maybe you should use PMs instead.

I am not spinning anything. Since I didn't compare this government to previous governments I don't need to back anything up.

And you go and deflect again! Where did I ask you what Thaksin had done better?

It seems you will take one question at a time and keep avoiding it.

If you can't back up a statement, maybe you shouldn't say it.

This coming from one who hasn't backed up a single one of his statements when asked to do so. Nice deflection, I take it you can't answer the question then

What statement have I made? Link to where I have made a statement and I will back it up.

Here's a statement. Anyone who sides with the PT in the rice scam is someone who has reached into his skull and twisted his brain into the shape of a pretzel and then repeatedly stabbed it with a fork. To back it up I can use any post of maxme. biggrin.png

Oh is that right? Good luck on that little master. smile.png

I don't need luck I just need you to keep on posting. cheesy.gif

Whatever you say son smile.png

No in fact it just the opposite, its about what YOU say. cheesy.gif

Childish but totally expected from someone of your kind. :)

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Nope it was related to the deal made in 2012 that eventually went south. However I'm still searching. Unlike you I have better things to do than to click like on posts made by morons that have absolutely nothing to do than post inane posts.

Speaking of which, if google is your friend, please find me the evidence that Yingluck and her party, not the democrats or any curreny government officials, are soley responsible for this unholy mess.

I looked. I can't find any evidence that the democrats or the current government are responsible for any of the losses of the rice scheme, therefore it is solely the responsibility of the Yingluck government.

And the evidence is based on that either you don't know who was behind it, or a nimcompoop trying to pull a fast one?

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I looked. I can't find any evidence that the democrats or the current government are responsible for any of the losses of the rice scheme, therefore it is solely the responsibility of the Yingluck government.

And the evidence is based on that either you don't know who was behind it, or a nimcompoop trying to pull a fast one?

From everything I've seen, the Yingluck government were behind it. They came up with the idea. They implemented the idea. They kept it going when it started showing that it was going to lose money. They kept it going when there was suspicion that people were rorting the system.

Do you have evidence that someone else was behind all the losses? I'd like to see that.

Without seeing any shred of evidence of their guilt, yet demand evidence from posters that they are not guilty.

Tell me, what is the weather like on your planet?

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