Koh Tao murder trial rescheduled

[loonodingle]

The families, who have no other motivation that to see true justice and who have MUCH more information than moronic social media detectives that have ulterior motives, have stated:

"There is a great deal of detail and vast areas of investigative work which has been shared with us,"

"We would like to stress that as a family we are confident in the work that has been carried out into these atrocious crimes."

"From what we have seen, the suspects have a difficult case to answer. The evidence against them appears to be powerful and convincing."

"We would like to thank the officers who travelled to Thailand to review the case and the Royal Thai Police for facilitating their visit,"

"We would like to express our relief that progress is being made in Thailand and this case is finally coming to court."

You are starting to lose it John. The family have the bullshit that has been spread by the RTP. nothing more nothing less.

In Stereo.

[berybert]

The families, who have no other motivation that to see true justice and who have MUCH more information than moronic social media detectives that have ulterior motives, have stated:

"There is a great deal of detail and vast areas of investigative work which has been shared with us,"

"We would like to stress that as a family we are confident in the work that has been carried out into these atrocious crimes."

"From what we have seen, the suspects have a difficult case to answer. The evidence against them appears to be powerful and convincing."

"We would like to thank the officers who travelled to Thailand to review the case and the Royal Thai Police for facilitating their visit,"

"We would like to express our relief that progress is being made in Thailand and this case is finally coming to court."

If you hadn't made the 'moronic' name calling statement then I'm sure you'd have got a fair and debatable response to your post. Hardly open for that when you label people as moronic, unless of course thats your intention

I want to know what the other moronic ulterior motives are ?

I have never been to that island and no doubt ever will. But why would I or anyone else want to frame someone for something they never did ?

I like everyone else on this thread want to see justice done... well maybe not everyone else. At the end of the day you can hang the two Burmese guys and it wont change my life nor yours.

I came to live in Thailand because after a few years of coming here on holiday I thought it was a fantastic place. After 18 months I am getting ready to go home.

People who are happy to see murderers walk free and scape goats killed just so they can say Thailand is great, not my sort of people.

I don't get it.

[JohnThailandJohn]

The families, who have no other motivation that to see true justice and who have MUCH more information than moronic social media detectives that have ulterior motives, have stated:

"There is a great deal of detail and vast areas of investigative work which has been shared with us,"

"We would like to stress that as a family we are confident in the work that has been carried out into these atrocious crimes."

"From what we have seen, the suspects have a difficult case to answer. The evidence against them appears to be powerful and convincing."

"We would like to thank the officers who travelled to Thailand to review the case and the Royal Thai Police for facilitating their visit,"

"We would like to express our relief that progress is being made in Thailand and this case is finally coming to court."

You are starting to lose it John. The family have the bullshit that has been spread by the RTP. nothing more nothing less.

Yes they know so much less than the idiotic conspiracy theorists since they are actually privy to a great deal of information including embassy officials here in contact with investigators, UK Investigators who have observed and scene evidence and spoke to the actual investigators, medical reports .... why even go on, some people simply can't even recognize how ridiculous their statements and theories are. It would be comical if not for the negative effects on the innocent and loved ones.

[berybert]

It is simply time to stop the nonsense speculation. It as if some people have no shame. They claim they want justice but show absolutely no respect for the families who have asked them to stop.

Yeah the families want justice. They don't want some big mouthed Yank speaking for them and telling them believe the RTP.

Because believe it or not the RTP had your beloved NUMNUTS as number one suspect. But that was before the head cop who is so good at his job got promoted, And then the new kid on the block, who wasn't as good as head cop number 1 decided promoted cop didn't have a clue what he was talking about and decided to go for the goats.

[berybert]

The families, who have no other motivation that to see true justice and who have MUCH more information than moronic social media detectives that have ulterior motives, have stated:

"There is a great deal of detail and vast areas of investigative work which has been shared with us,"

"We would like to stress that as a family we are confident in the work that has been carried out into these atrocious crimes."

"From what we have seen, the suspects have a difficult case to answer. The evidence against them appears to be powerful and convincing."

"We would like to thank the officers who travelled to Thailand to review the case and the Royal Thai Police for facilitating their visit,"

"We would like to express our relief that progress is being made in Thailand and this case is finally coming to court."

You are starting to lose it John. The family have the bullshit that has been spread by the RTP. nothing more nothing less.

Yes they know so much less than the idiotic conspiracy theorists since they are actually privy to a great deal of information including embassy officials here in contact with investigators, UK Investigators who have observed and scene evidence and spoke to the actual investigators, medical reports .... why even go on, some people simply can't even recognize how ridiculous their statements and theories are. It would be comical if not for the negative effects on the innocent and loved ones.

Ah now I get it. You know what the family are privy too. Bit like the guy who got shoved off a cliff new years day 2014. His family were privy to the RTP info and told to get off the island A.S.A.P.

Your new buzz word is moronic. Fits you well.

[berybert]

It is simply time to stop the nonsense speculation. It as if some people have no shame. They claim they want justice but show absolutely no respect for the families who have asked them to stop.

Personally John most members here are sick of your abuse and disrespectful way you confront alternative opinion's.

You are rude beyond need and do not consider anybody else as worthy of view.

I am suggesting to the General that he includes you within his attitude adjustment program. If you need the taxi fare there's several members on here who would gladly donate to any fund raiser that would be required.

John has spent a lot of his time lately commenting on the whore bars. I think maybe his blood pressure is still up.

[berybert]

One big fact you (referring to me: Boomerangutang) missed is that the semen of the two suspects arrested matched and the DNA of the Nomsod didn't.....

That's if you believe the DNA trail which Thai authorities concocted. I don't, and that's big reason why I wish the Brit Coroner would do her job. Unfortunately, even if her office did its job, and typed the two or 3 types of DNA found in/on Hannah, what would the Brits compare it to? They've already been denied DNA type from Nomsod, and probably other suspects as well. Judging by how idept the RTP have been, the RTP probably didn't even take DNA from others who should be suspects, such as 'Stingray Man', M, and Mon's cop friend (who threatened Sean's life). If you trust Thai officials' version of the DNA trail, then I've got some hair growing lotion to sell you for your bald spot. It's only $3,000 an ounce.

and Ms Porntip never has questioned the fact it is the two suspects semen found in one of the victims and that investigators make mistakes in just about every case that takes time to solve all across the world. And if you believe a bloody hoe was found then you should believe everything else as fact that has been reported. Oh, and another fact you missed is the families after speaking to UK investigators feel confidence the the two suspects are the right people on trial.

An indisputable fact is that we don't know all the evidence and facts of the case ... well of course somebody living in a different reality selectively believing what they want to go along with what they want to believe can dispute this.

I concur with GC, everything JTJ asserts is wrong. Ms Porntip has openly questioned the handling of DNA from Thai officials. I don't understand the point JTJ is trying to make about the hoe. As for victims' families. It's already been established that they were only fed pap from Brit authorities who aren't allowed to do any investigating, and who only regurgitated what they were told by RTP.

I never asserted we know ALL the evidence and facts. Now you're adding the word 'ALL.' Pretty sneaky, dude. There are a few guys on the island (and perhaps some of their family and buddies) who know the lion's share of the facts, but they're out partying at the clubs alongside our sons and daughters. The people who know (one of whom is dressing in monk's robes, ha ha) aren't telling.

I do not know why you keep harping on about the British coroner doing her job. She has done her job, she is doing her job and, presumably, will continue to do her job. You have been told this so many times by people who know more about this than you do, but you refuse to listen. Like so many other things you are wrong and out of your depth. How can you be taken seriously when you cannot grasp a simple fact like this.

If the British coroner spends her time doing other peoples' job, who is going to do her job?

The British coroner was due to release her findings on the 6th of January.

That was her job.

Has she done her job ?

[loonodingle]

If we revisit the initial statement reference what Gen Prayut and David Cameron agreed when and where.

It took place in Milan in Mid October. It came as a result of public pressure on David Cameron. The General dropped objections to accepting help in the case after being pressed on the issue by UK Prime Minister.

The UK Foreign Office summoned the Thai charge d'affaires earlier to express concern about the police investigation.

A diplomatic source reported:

"That Thai authorities were leading the investigation, but it was important that the victims' families could be reassured about the justice process.

He said: "There are two areas we are particularly concerned about. One is the verification of the DNA samples of the suspects, making sure there is further independent verification.

"And the second is the investigation into allegations of mistreatment of the suspects.

"What the PM secured was agreement from the Thai PM that we can send some British police investigators to Koh Tao to work with the Royal Thai Police on this."

So despite protestations from some members it was a fact that we intended to Investigate. One of the officers was a forensic officer. Yet he was unable to carry out his job. Between the agreement in Milan and the arrival of the officers the head of the RTP announced they would not allow the UK police to investigate.

The just showed them what they wanted to in a limited way. That's not clear and transparent and could have an ulterior motive to mislead

Source is BBC a well respected news organisation

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29668785

Edited February 1, 2015 by loonodingle

[JohnThailandJohn]

It is simply time to stop the nonsense speculation. It as if some people have no shame. They claim they want justice but show absolutely no respect for the families who have asked them to stop.

Yeah the families want justice. They don't want some big mouthed Yank speaking for them and telling them believe the RTP.

Because believe it or not the RTP had your beloved NUMNUTS as number one suspect. But that was before the head cop who is so good at his job got promoted, And then the new kid on the block, who wasn't as good as head cop number 1 decided promoted cop didn't have a clue what he was talking about and decided to go for the goats.

Reinventing reality or just ignorance?

The family was clear they were talking about those defending the two defendants with uninformed nonsense speculation that was hurtful.

The investigator's (same one in charge when it was announced it was likely a Burmese as a Thai and Farang couldn't be this violent ... same one in charge when the semen sample was taken from thevictim and the crime scene investigation so many criticize happened) transfer was announced about a month before the murders and was carried out on the day it was announced.

Many people were #1 suspects as is normal in cases like this until they can rule them out and/or find the real culprits. And he was a suspect because it was being said "incorrectly" he was on the island and fled.

It amazes me how purposely obtuse some people can be.

[berybert]

Reinventing reality or just ignorance?

The family was clear they were talking about those defending the two defendants with uninformed nonsense speculation that was hurtful.

The investigator's (same one in charge when it was announced it was likely a Burmese as a Thai and Farang couldn't be this violent ... same one in charge when the semen sample was taken from thevictim and the crime scene investigation so many criticize happened) transfer was announced about a month before the murders and was carried out on the day it was announced.

Many people were #1 suspects as is normal in cases like this until they can rule them out and/or find the real culprits. And he was a suspect because it was being said "incorrectly" he was on the island and fled.

It amazes me how purposely obtuse some people can be.

Yeah and who said he was on the island at the time ?

That's right his Daddy.

And do you know what, if it hadn't of been for Daddy saying he was on the island on the day of the murders he would probably have never got a mention.

Edited February 1, 2015 by berybert

[loonodingle]

I do not know why you keep harping on about the British coroner doing her job. She has done her job, she is doing her job and, presumably, will continue to do her job. You have been told this so many times by people who know more about this than you do, but you refuse to listen. Like so many other things you are wrong and out of your depth. How can you be taken seriously when you cannot grasp a simple fact like this.

If the British coroner spends her time doing other peoples' job, who is going to do her job?

The British coroner was due to release her findings on the 6th of January.

That was her job.

Has she done her job ?

I am sorry you are wrong with this statement. The case goes through review stages. 6th Jan was a review despite what was believed to be taking place. It will not continue to a full hearing until after the trial is finished. That's the same if its a uk or Thai trial. Its just the protocol and nothing untoward. Also remember its not a criminal trial. It is more of a formality after a death. Who How Where and Why. Or something like that. Don't put to much weight on the inquest. The criminal trial takes precedent.

There was no family or friends present on the 6th Jan, just a Sun reporter and a Local Norwich reporter. over in 60 seconds.

[loonodingle]

Yeah the families want justice. They don't want some big mouthed Yank speaking for them and telling them believe the RTP.

Because believe it or not the RTP had your beloved NUMNUTS as number one suspect. But that was before the head cop who is so good at his job got promoted, And then the new kid on the block, who wasn't as good as head cop number 1 decided promoted cop didn't have a clue what he was talking about and decided to go for the goats.

Reinventing reality or just ignorance?

The family was clear they were talking about those defending the two defendants with uninformed nonsense speculation that was hurtful.

The investigator's (same one in charge when it was announced it was likely a Burmese as a Thai and Farang couldn't be this violent ... same one in charge when the semen sample was taken from thevictim and the crime scene investigation so many criticize happened) transfer was announced about a month before the murders and was carried out on the day it was announced.

Many people were #1 suspects as is normal in cases like this until they can rule them out and/or find the real culprits. And he was a suspect because it was being said "incorrectly" he was on the island and fled.

It amazes me how purposely obtuse some people can be.

Yeah and who said he was on the island at the time ?

That's right his Daddy.

Correct his father stated he had to leave in a hurry as he had an exam. Not us Morons making idiotic statements. But Big Daddy....Lets see JTJ dig himself out of that or maybe he will go back to the Hoe threads. Excuse the PUN

Actually talking of Hoe's why did they move the Hoe. Or was there 2 hoe's?

Edited February 1, 2015 by loonodingle

[Sviss Geez]

It is simply time to stop the nonsense speculation. It as if some people have no shame. They claim they want justice but show absolutely no respect for the families who have asked them to stop.

Personally John most members here are sick of your abuse and disrespectful way you confront alternative opinion's.

You are rude beyond need and do not consider anybody else as worthy of view.

I am suggesting to the General that he includes you within his attitude adjustment program. If you need the taxi fare there's several members on here who would gladly donate to any fund raiser that would be required.

But the fact is "most members", as you unilaterally state, don't even know what time of day it is or if they do they do a very good job of disguising that ability and as for being "sick" of JTJ's "abuse and disrespect" you just speak for yourself. There are not many people who post rationally on here and their views are not worth the space that they take up. You, and all those that post the speculative drivel that the rest of us have too put up with, are actually the ones that are rude beyond belief.

I doubt that, even if their lives depended on it, the "several members" you refer to could raise a taxi fare between them.

[AleG]

Yeah and who said he was on the island at the time ?

That's right his Daddy.

And do you know what, if it hadn't of been for Daddy saying he was on the island on the day of the murders he would probably have never got a mention.

His father didn't say he was on the island the day of the murders, he said he had left earlier.

Once more, don't let facts get on the way of a good conspiracy.

[loonodingle]

Yeah and who said he was on the island at the time ?

That's right his Daddy.

And do you know what, if it hadn't of been for Daddy saying he was on the island on the day of the murders he would probably have never got a mention.

His father didn't say he was on the island the day of the murders, he said he had left earlier.

Once more, don't let facts get on the way of a good conspiracy.

And then Warot said he hadn't been there for 2 months so that would be a lot earlier I guess.

[loonodingle]

It is simply time to stop the nonsense speculation. It as if some people have no shame. They claim they want justice but show absolutely no respect for the families who have asked them to stop.

Personally John most members here are sick of your abuse and disrespectful way you confront alternative opinion's.

You are rude beyond need and do not consider anybody else as worthy of view.

I am suggesting to the General that he includes you within his attitude adjustment program. If you need the taxi fare there's several members on here who would gladly donate to any fund raiser that would be required.

But the fact is "most members", as you unilaterally state, don't even know what time of day it is or if they do they do a very good job of disguising that ability and as for being "sick" of JTJ's "abuse and disrespect" you just speak for yourself. There are not many people who post rationally on here and their views are not worth the space that they take up. You, and all those that post the speculative drivel that the rest of us have too put up with, are actually the ones that are rude beyond belief.

I doubt that, even if their lives depended on it, the "several members" you refer to could raise a taxi fare between them.

I have to state unilaterally as we all state unilaterally.

Cant comment on other peoples ability to tell the time sorry.

I can speak on behalf of the members who I speak with on private message's. However they are private in as much as they would prefer to remain anonymous. Still some of them are also vocal on here.

I wouldn't refer to your posts as drivel even if I think they are. That's your opinion.

I am sorry I don't know other peoples financial status. I am surprised you do ? Perhaps you are a Medium?? or have a crystal ball? perhaps you can enlighten me .

Thx in anticipation.

[berybert]

Yeah and who said he was on the island at the time ?

That's right his Daddy.

And do you know what, if it hadn't of been for Daddy saying he was on the island on the day of the murders he would probably have never got a mention.

His father didn't say he was on the island the day of the murders, he said he had left earlier.

Once more, don't let facts get on the way of a good conspiracy.

Why would his father have mentioned him at all ? he didn't mention his brother and he was never a suspect. I went out earlier I think it was 1987.

P.s. Swizgen or what ever that taxi line is the worst put down line I have ever heard.

[Rooo]

Post containing derogatory remarks & justified replies quoting it removed.

Please refer to forum rules.

[JohnThailandJohn]

It is simply time to stop the nonsense speculation. It as if some people have no shame. They claim they want justice but show absolutely no respect for the families who have asked them to stop.

Yeah the families want justice. They don't want some big mouthed Yank speaking for them and telling them believe the RTP.

Because believe it or not the RTP had your beloved NUMNUTS as number one suspect. But that was before the head cop who is so good at his job got promoted, And then the new kid on the block, who wasn't as good as head cop number 1 decided promoted cop didn't have a clue what he was talking about and decided to go for the goats.

Bery Baby, come on now, the family has made clear how they feel after reading social media posts, the vast majority full of nonsense conspiracy theories. As for the "head cop", he was the one running the investigation when the let people into the crime scene and he was the one in charge regarding the issues Ms. Pornthip complained about. And has been stated and linked numerous times, his transfer was announced weeks if not a month before the murders and it took place on the exact day that it was announced it would be in the news prior to these murders taking place. This person you now want to pretend was some great leader was the one in charge when so much misinformation was coming out from police including blood on pants that wasn't blood...

The family has not just got information from the RTP but also their embassy as well as the UK Investigators who were here and the UK Coroner and have also almost surely been privy to information we haven't a clue about and there feelings are very clear in the matter.

Again, come on now Bery Baby, lets stay at least within the realms of not making ourselves look completely uninformed or just purposely saying stuff cause it fits what we want to believe.

Edited February 1, 2015 by JohnThailandJohn

[loonodingle]

Actually the UK coroner had had no report from the Thailand authorities. She was still waiting. She is also incidental to the case. It's not a criminal trial it's an inquest. She doesn't decide who committed the crime.

[thailandchilli]

The families, who have no other motivation that to see true justice and who have MUCH more information than moronic social media detectives that have ulterior motives, have stated:

"There is a great deal of detail and vast areas of investigative work which has been shared with us,"

"We would like to stress that as a family we are confident in the work that has been carried out into these atrocious crimes."

"From what we have seen, the suspects have a difficult case to answer. The evidence against them appears to be powerful and convincing."

"We would like to thank the officers who travelled to Thailand to review the case and the Royal Thai Police for facilitating their visit,"

"We would like to express our relief that progress is being made in Thailand and this case is finally coming to court."

One wonders whether that's a plurality consensus (of members of both families), or one person speaking for both families. One might also wonder whether they base their trust on just what their fellow British officials told them, or whether they've taken a broad look at what others, closer to the scene, are saying.

In light of the actual statement from the UK Police it does seem very strange how they made that statement:

"The Thai authorities allowed the UK police to have observer status only, in relation to limited parts of the investigation. They did not take possession of any physical evidence, forensic evidence, exhibits, interviews or statements. The RTP provided an interpreter who verbally translated documents that formed limited parts of the prosecution case.

This was not a public statement but rather a response to the defendant's lawyers and/or human rights group requesting they turn over all evidence and information they have and specifically what they shared with families. It was not a public statement but the letter was made public.

The letter said detectives had visited the Witheridge and Miller families and “verbally explained limited aspects of the investigation that they had observed”, and briefed them on how the judicial process operates in Thailand.

UK investigators have not made public their views or their report from their visit that EVERYONE with any knowledge ALWAYS knew would be limited in what they can do despite the idiotic demand they somehow go to to Thailand to do their own investigation. Over an over the folks in reality explained to the conspiracy folks this would not and could not happen in a case like this but they didn't listen then just like they don't listen to reality now.

The letter was clearly a way to not insert themselves into the legal proceedings or at least not on the side of the defendants.

Whether its a public statement or not, its a factual statement made by them. Whats not factual is your interpretation of its meaning which I disagree with. However if you prefer a public statement then perhaps you forgot about this one made in Dec on BBC Radio 2

The Metropolitan Police says there's confusion and inconsistencies in the investigation in Thailand into the murder of 2 British tourists on the island of Koh Tao. Hannah Witheridge and David Miller were killed in September. Scotland Yard, which is observing the Thai enquiry, says there are questions about the strength of the case against the 2 men from Burma charged with murder.

Edited February 2, 2015 by thailandchilli

[boomerangutang]

One who wonders such things is just trying to bury their head in nonsense rather than reality.

Here's a tiny tip of the reality iceberg according to JTJ and Thai officialdom machine:

>>> the hoe killed David, even though there was none of David's blood/DNA on the hoe

>>> there were no stab wounds from a blade, on David

>>> Mon knows nothing about the crime

>>> Sean knows nothing about the crime

>>> CCTV from KT (running man in white shorts) shows neither Mon nor Nomsod (even though Mon said it was he, and many reasonable/objective people see the running man as Nomsod.

I do not know why you keep harping on about the British coroner doing her job. She has done her job, she is doing her job and, presumably, will continue to do her job. You have been told this so many times by people who know more about this than you do, but you refuse to listen. Like so many other things you are wrong and out of your depth. How can you be taken seriously when you cannot grasp a simple fact like this.

Suppose I ran a car repair shop. Your daughter was about to take a long drive through the mountains, and you brought her car in to get the brake job. I am qualified to do brakes, and I say, "sure, I'll fix her car's brakes in 3 months." Two months and 25 days later, I tell you, "I'll fix her car's brakes in 9 months, maybe."

Oh, and you find out I only fix a portion of the brakes (maybe the calipers, but not the fluid or hoses), depending on my mood.

Would you say I'm good at my job?

If the British coroner spends her time doing other peoples' job, who is going to do her job?

That's such a silly statement, I can't dignify it with a response. Sorry, you need a better argument than that.

[boomerangutang]

But the fact is "most members", as you unilaterally state, don't even know what time of day it is or if they do they do a very good job of disguising that ability and as for being "sick" of JTJ's "abuse and disrespect" you just speak for yourself. There are not many people who post rationally on here and their views are not worth the space that they take up. You, and all those that post the speculative drivel that the rest of us have too put up with, are actually the ones that are rude beyond belief.

I doubt that, even if their lives depended on it, the "several members" you refer to could raise a taxi fare between them.

What? Did you forget to take your Clarity pills this morning?

[boomerangutang]

Many people were #1 suspects as is normal in cases like this until they can rule them out and/or find the real culprits. And he was a suspect because it was being said "incorrectly" he was on the island and fled. It amazes me how purposely obtuse some people can be.

Two people were prime suspects during the first 9 days of the investigation - during the time when RTP was doing a somewhat decent job (before they were replaced by the conspiracy theorist 2nd team who are trying to frame the B2). You and I know who those two prime suspects were. If there was a modicum of professionalism among the investigators, those two would still be suspects, along with some of their buddies who also have implicating evidence pointing at them.

One of the two initial prime suspects was interviewed for 3 hours. Of course, the general public will never see/hear the interview, just like we'll never see/hear the interrogation of the B3 at the 'safe house' (safe for torture). The other initial prime suspect evaded police for a week, long enough for bruises to heal, to get a haircut, and concoct amateurish alibi photos. Even after rounded up, Nomsod wouldn't allow his DNA to be tested. Only after it was arranged - his DNA wouldn't match, did he and his scoundrel associates orchestrate a public show. Now he prances around in a monk's robe - to further insulate himself from scrutiny.

[boomerangutang]

Yes they know so much less than the idiotic conspiracy theorists since they are actually privy to a great deal of information including embassy officials here in contact with investigators, UK Investigators who have observed and scene evidence and spoke to the actual investigators, medical reports .... why even go on, some people simply can't even recognize how ridiculous their statements and theories are. It would be comical if not for the negative effects on the innocent and loved ones.

British experts, by their own admission, only have the info they got from talking with RTP. Thai police don't even speak English very well. You could go to 300 police stations in Thailand, and you'd be lucky to find a few cops who speak a little bit of broken English. Perhaps Brits have some data from the Brit Coroner's office, but judging from what's happened thus far, the Brit Coroner may not even be sharing findings with her Brit associates.

Are the victims' families privy to how things happen in Thailand re; crime investigation? Do they know about Kirsty's rape/murder in Chiang Mai, where a hill tribe scapegoat was pulled off a dirt road and forced to masturbate - in order to get framed for the crime? That crime was never solved, btw, even though there were 2 primes suspects, one a cop. Do the families know the histories of multiple crime cover-ups in Thai crimes? Do they know about the Dutch embassy official who told Thai cops of a Nepalese serial killer and where to find him in Bangkok? When Thai cops showed up, they looked at the Nepalese's passport (which was fake, but Thai cops couldn't figure it out). The cops left the apartment in minutes, and the Nepalese went on to kill several more farang backpacker young women.

I venture the Brit experts and the victims' families only know a bit about the September crime, and that they could be aided by some of the insights and findings/photos of general public. If you think only a few trained professionals are capable of finding clues, drawing conclusions and endeavoring to solve the multi-faceted puzzle, then you've got to think deeper.

[berybert]

It is simply time to stop the nonsense speculation. It as if some people have no shame. They claim they want justice but show absolutely no respect for the families who have asked them to stop.

Yeah the families want justice. They don't want some big mouthed Yank speaking for them and telling them believe the RTP.

Because believe it or not the RTP had your beloved NUMNUTS as number one suspect. But that was before the head cop who is so good at his job got promoted, And then the new kid on the block, who wasn't as good as head cop number 1 decided promoted cop didn't have a clue what he was talking about and decided to go for the goats.

Bery Baby, come on now, the family has made clear how they feel after reading social media posts, the vast majority full of nonsense conspiracy theories. As for the "head cop", he was the one running the investigation when the let people into the crime scene and he was the one in charge regarding the issues Ms. Pornthip complained about. And has been stated and linked numerous times, his transfer was announced weeks if not a month before the murders and it took place on the exact day that it was announced it would be in the news prior to these murders taking place. This person you now want to pretend was some great leader was the one in charge when so much misinformation was coming out from police including blood on pants that wasn't blood...

The family has not just got information from the RTP but also their embassy as well as the UK Investigators who were here and the UK Coroner and have also almost surely been privy to information we haven't a clue about and there feelings are very clear in the matter.

Again, come on now Bery Baby, lets stay at least within the realms of not making ourselves look completely uninformed or just purposely saying stuff cause it fits what we want to believe.

Jonny baby what is it they say about flattery and copying something ?

Do you know what when two lives are on the line and I don't believe they should be, then I don't really care what the family think.

As for head cop number 1 being some sort of superman. Not sure there is one person on here other than yourself and a few others who would believe that.

All most of us stated is we think he had the right people in his sights.

As for who the family got there info from. It all goes back to the same source. Or are you now claiming the British embassy and the Brit cops did their own investigation ?

So once again your attempts to put down prove all you do is run around chasing your tail.

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[JohnThailandJohn]

It is simply time to stop the nonsense speculation. It as if some people have no shame. They claim they want justice but show absolutely no respect for the families who have asked them to stop.

Yeah the families want justice. They don't want some big mouthed Yank speaking for them and telling them believe the RTP.

Because believe it or not the RTP had your beloved NUMNUTS as number one suspect. But that was before the head cop who is so good at his job got promoted, And then the new kid on the block, who wasn't as good as head cop number 1 decided promoted cop didn't have a clue what he was talking about and decided to go for the goats.

Bery Baby, come on now, the family has made clear how they feel after reading social media posts, the vast majority full of nonsense conspiracy theories. As for the "head cop", he was the one running the investigation when the let people into the crime scene and he was the one in charge regarding the issues Ms. Pornthip complained about. And has been stated and linked numerous times, his transfer was announced weeks if not a month before the murders and it took place on the exact day that it was announced it would be in the news prior to these murders taking place. This person you now want to pretend was some great leader was the one in charge when so much misinformation was coming out from police including blood on pants that wasn't blood...

The family has not just got information from the RTP but also their embassy as well as the UK Investigators who were here and the UK Coroner and have also almost surely been privy to information we haven't a clue about and there feelings are very clear in the matter.

Again, come on now Bery Baby, lets stay at least within the realms of not making ourselves look completely uninformed or just purposely saying stuff cause it fits what we want to believe.

As for head cop number 1 being some sort of superman. Not sure there is one person on here other than yourself and a few others who would believe that.

All most of us stated is we think he had the right people in his sights.

So you think it was the friend with the not-blood on his pants? That was the first prime suspect. Or do you believe it was Myranmar workers as that is also what was first said and turned out to be. The ONLY reason they suspected the kid who was at school in Bangkok is because they incorrectly believed he fled the morning of the murders. But of course I suspect you believe there has been a vast conspiracy to related to his DNA not being at the scene and others DNA and semen being there and that his apartment complex conspired to doctor the video of him coming and going at time which would make it impossible for him to commit the murders and that the university has conspired to doctor records showing his taking a test at this time and so on and so on... Bery Baby - no motive, no logic, no dna and no evidence at all to suggest he is involved BUT whole bunch to show he was not. I guess with your logic this somehow makes him a prime suspect.

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So you think it was the friend with the not-blood on his pants? That was the first prime suspect. Or do you believe it was Myranmar workers as that is also what was first said and turned out to be. The ONLY reason they suspected the kid who was at school in Bangkok is because they incorrectly believed he fled the morning of the murders. But of course I suspect you believe there has been a vast conspiracy to related to his DNA not being at the scene and others DNA and semen being there and that his apartment complex conspired to doctor the video of him coming and going at time which would make it impossible for him to commit the murders and that the university has conspired to doctor records showing his taking a test at this time and so on and so on... Bery Baby - no motive, no logic, no dna and no evidence at all to suggest he is involved BUT whole bunch to show he was not. I guess with your logic this somehow makes him a prime suspect.

J babe. No motive. You mean like he didn't get horny watching two people making out on the sand. And want to kill them both ?

Did you ever answer the question as to why David's DNA wasn't found on Hannah ?

Why oh why did head cop number 1 think he was a suspect ? As you have mentioned there is a lot we aren't privy too, I bet a lot more CCTV that shows a lot clearer pictures of people coming and going on the night of the murder is part of what we didn't get to have a look at.

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and Ms Porntip never has questioned the fact it is the two suspects semen found in one of the victims and that investigators make mistakes in just about every case that takes time to solve all across the world. And if you believe a bloody hoe was found then you should believe everything else as fact that has been reported. Oh, and another fact you missed is the families after speaking to UK investigators feel confidence the the two suspects are the right people on trial.

An indisputable fact is that we don't know all the evidence and facts of the case ... well of course somebody living in a different reality selectively believing what they want to go along with what they want to believe can dispute this.

I concur with GC, everything JTJ asserts is wrong. Ms Porntip has openly questioned the handling of DNA from Thai officials. I don't understand the point JTJ is trying to make about the hoe. As for victims' families. It's already been established that they were only fed pap from Brit authorities who aren't allowed to do any investigating, and who only regurgitated what they were told by RTP.

I never asserted we know ALL the evidence and facts. Now you're adding the word 'ALL.' Pretty sneaky, dude. There are a few guys on the island (and perhaps some of their family and buddies) who know the lion's share of the facts, but they're out partying at the clubs alongside our sons and daughters. The people who know (one of whom is dressing in monk's robes, ha ha) aren't telling.

I do not know why you keep harping on about the British coroner doing her job. She has done her job, she is doing her job and, presumably, will continue to do her job. You have been told this so many times by people who know more about this than you do, but you refuse to listen. Like so many other things you are wrong and out of your depth. How can you be taken seriously when you cannot grasp a simple fact like this.

If the British coroner spends her time doing other peoples' job, who is going to do her job?

The British coroner was due to release her findings on the 6th of January.

That was her job.

Has she done her job ?

No she was not due to release here findings on 6th January. Show me where that was said. How could she do that when there was no inquest? No jury was empaneled. No witnesses gave evidence. I said ahead of that date that the case would be adjourned and so it proved to be the case.

That date was just "for mention". Yes she has done her job.

I tell you what it will be adjourned again in October.